God's Copy Protection

GeodeGW writes "With corporate America in a collective oral froth about copy protection, this parallel from the Un-Natural world just cried out for a Slasdot post! Apparently cloning primates isn't as easy as sheep... From the New Scientist... "A high percentage of cloned monkey embryos that look healthy are really a "gallery of horrors" deep within"...."the trauma of removing the nucleus from the egg might be what triggers the defects" http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns999 91679"

Camels

[MadCamel]

It is however, fairly easy to clone camels. My plot for world domination is still right on schedule..

So what's the EULA?

[Ivan Raikov]

God's copy protection.

So are the Ten Commandments the EULA then?

:-)

Re:So what's the EULA?

[gi-tux]

Actually the EULA on reproducing mankind is in Genesis 3:16

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;"

And in Genesis 2:24, we read how the process works

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

As quoted from the King James version of the Bible.

Re:So what's the EULA?

[Ivan Raikov]

Oh, okay. I was thinking more along the lines of "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..." from Exodus (I don't have King James with me, so I can't quote exactly).

Re:So what's the EULA?

[(void*)]

I have reason to believe that God believes in Free Software. In Genesis, he commands man to "go forth and milutpliy".

Camels? I think not......

[Red Moose]

Regarding the post above, I think camels may still be too much hassle to clone - I saw the Day of the Triffids two days ago and I think cloning mutant plants might be easier. Plus it would look stupid if your clones had only one hump instead of two, and you might end with scary hybrids with *three* humps. ARGH!

I am going to start with beetroot or turnips because 10ft screaming vegetables would instil way more terror in people (when invading towns for world domination plan, etc., ).

Re:Camels? I think not......

[BLAG-blast]

Plus it would look stupid if your clones had only one hump instead of two, and you might end with scary hybrids with *three* humps. ARGH!

I don't know what you are talking about, the more humps the better, I'd like a camel with eight humps. It would be like the minivan of camels (but without all the cup holders) and me and my friends can all go to the beach with our surfboards on the back of the camel.

(Camels don't let camels smoke camels).

Mitosis

[TwP]

IANACB (cellular biologist), but do we even know "why" a cell undergoes mitosis?

And related to that question, these researchers are simply taking the nucleus out of an adult cell and placing it into the casing of an unfertilzed egg, replacing the egg nucleus along the way. The nucleus contains the DNA, but doesn't the casing contain RNA? Is there some sort of sequencing mismatch going on between the two?

For those who know what they are talking about (the cellular biologists), please feel free to inform the rest of us about what is going on.

Re:Mitosis

[Red Moose]

It's oncogenes and stuff. Similar to what cancer cells do when mitosis goes out of control, and given that knowledge of the out-of-control-and-really-obvious-with-retrospect thing is very much a late 20th century development, maybe no one will figure out why cells divide at all naturally for years.

But it's probably something really simple. Plants do it because they sit in the sun.

Re:i am not a cannibal reedited

[bobbyd2]

IANAC 2 is there any law that prevents me from overriding the FDA and seeking USDA prime rating for my prime cloned human stem cell caviar grown in petrie dishes? i guess the department of cannibalism (DOC) knows everything about it. i mean if this health food has benfits, why are we trying to appease the religious right to prevent alledged cannibalism? cloned human stem cell caviar health foods nourished in a petrie dish could save your life!

God's copy protection?

[andyh]

surely that presumes the existence of Bill?

Re:i am not a cannibal

[pubudu]

if i can sell hair clippings, i can cell human caviar.

Of course, you're not allowed to sell hair clippings as food. And calling it "human caviar", even if you put a "not for human consumption" label on it, will bring it under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

fear human cloning...

[ryusen]

i think it's a good thing if we don't ever suceed in human cloning.
would a human clone be a real person?
or would i be considered to be a creation owned by said lab?
does that mean we have slavery of sorts again?
are the clones going to end up being exact copies of the donor?
how does one account ofr personality?
how will we tell clones apart from people born?
should we do so?
how will the world put up with two of me?
all important questions that should be asked and answered first before the problem arises...

Re:fear human cloning...

[vegardolsen]

I hope cloning will be possible, but not for cloning people, we can use cloning in medicine, and we can grow bodyparts... ( remember the mouse with a ear on it's back? :p ) Cloning a person is wrong, will it be a real person, how will ppl react to it? who's it's parents? there are so many ethical questions in the area that cloning a human beeing should be illegal.

Re:fear human cloning...

[TheLink]

Haven't you seen twins before? They are both persons.

So of course he/she/whatever will be a real person. Just like any other twin or human being for that matter.

However the main issue is the Lab/Corp will try to own the clone or the DNA or both.

e.g. what happens when the clone tries to breed? Does the Corp sue for unauthorised duplication of intellectual property (a concept I disagree with btw).

The clones won't be exact genetic duplicates without the egg of the original's mother and there is where I see other problems.

They won't be exact duplicates in any case due to the usual randomness when growing - iris patterns will be different etc etc.

The other problem is if they start producing people-animal-plant-whatever hybrids. That would be bad.

Cheerio,
Link.

Re:fear human cloning...

[hoggoth]

>would a human clone be a real person?
No. A human clone would be no different from any human, but that doesn't make them real people.
>or would i be considered to be a creation owned by said lab?
Yes, just as you are the property of the lab that helped your parents with that little fertility problem, a clone would be the property of the lab that did the procedure and would definitely NOT be the child of the people who's DNA was used.
> does that mean we have slavery of sorts again?
Absolutely! Clones are being mass produced right now in order to work the mines and fields of industrial conglomerates. In this one case, the world will overlook it's laws against human slavery.
> are the clones going to end up being exact copies of the donor?
They will be born as exact copies, and through careful control of every single experience they ever have growing up, including every bit of food they eat, every person they ever come into contact with, and every thing they see and think... they will be exact copies of the donor. Didn't you see 'The Boys From Brazil'?
> how does one account ofr personality?
The clones, much like yourself, will have no personalities.
> how will we tell clones apart from people born?
From their awful fashion sense.
> should we do so?
Yes, of course we should! How else will we know who is to be a slave working in the mines?
> how will the world put up with two of me?
It will be difficult, but the profit from your slave-labor should make it easier to deal with.
> all important questions that should be asked and answered first before the problem arises...
I think I have answered all your questions satisfactorily.