A Step Closer to Quantum Theory of Gravity 24
ruszka writes "PhysicsWeb has an article on two condensed matter theorists that have come up with a new way of looking at the Quantum Hall effect.. It says this could go to be "a small step towards one of the ultimate goals in theoretical physics - a quantum theory of gravity""
Its about time. (Score:1)
I wonder what this discovery means for the arguments of Roger Penrose ? Some of his stuff in the 'Emperor's new Mind' seems to hint that quantum effects may hold the key to consciousness, and could explain why strong AI is so difficult to achieve.
Re:Its about time. (Score:2, Interesting)
Anyway, my understanding of this article (haven't read the paper in Science), is that the theory they have come up with is perfectly computable - a four-dimensional analogon to general relativity if you will. If they manage to extend it into a full theory of quantum gravity, that would not only be amazing, but it would show full computability as well.
That would mean Penrose is toast.
Well, that went completely over my head... (Score:2)
Re:Well, that went completely over my head... (Score:2, Informative)
Try a search engine.
The non-typo link is... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Well, that went completely over my head... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Well, that went completely over my head... (Score:2, Informative)
It's hard to make sense of this but... here's a go (Score:2, Interesting)
What I can read into it is that by working out the equations for a condensed matter system with where the interactions between individual particles are strong enough to influence the larger properties of the material - the authors have recognized that the equations look very similar to standard equations found in the classical fields of physics (E&M, Relativity, etc.)
If this is the case, then assuming that the basic assumptions are portable (that these types of quantum interactions are important on a macroscopic scale) then you have basically derived classical physics from Quantum mechanics.
This would hint (at least) that Quantum theory is scientifically more fundamental than classical physics. It gives a motivation for the observation that Quantum equations tend to reduce to classical equations when the systems get large.
Pretty cool if it all pans out. Lovely philosphical shift in thinking...
Re:It's hard to make sense of this but... here's a (Score:1, Interesting)
Shifting from CM to QM results in significant cognitive dissonance, both because QM is such a counter-intuitive subject and because QM is so different from the science that students are used to. Would introducing QM at a younger age lessen this problem?
Re:It's hard to make sense of this but... here's a (Score:1)
With Quantum you at least need Fourier Series and partial Diff. Eq. to solve basic problems. In classical physics you can often get by with just Algebra.
Perhaps someone particulary bright will come along and restate QM so that it's easier to express, but until then - I expect it will always be Classical first then Quantum.
Besides, Classical physics is probably more intuitive simply because our consciousness seems to function in the classical regime primarily.
Re:It's hard to make sense of this but... here's a (Score:3, Interesting)
With Quantum you at least need Fourier Series and partial Diff. Eq. to solve basic problems. In classical physics you can often get by with just Algebra.
I really think you have that backwards. The only kind of classical physics you can do without calculus is the sort where you plug numbers into equations. $x=(1/2)at^2$. You can do that just as well with QM: the energy states of the hydrogen atom are given by $E=-\frac{\mu Z^2 e^4}{2 \hbar^2 n^2$, what are the first three when Z=2?
On the other hand, the fundamental mathematics of QM is linear algebra, and in its discrete version (matricies) you can go a long long way. Matrix Algebra is commonly taught as part of second-year calculus, but really has little to with the rest of that subject and you could easily teach it first.
I do agree that the cognitive dissonance many students get from the historical progression we use in physics education is unnecessary. I'm not even sure qm is especially counter-intuitive if you haven't just spent a couple years learning to think classically; from a practical point of view they're equally abstract.
String Theory (Score:2, Informative)
In the mid 90's, the 5 seemingly disparate String theories were united by a common, unifying theoretical structure that included 11 Dimensional Quantum Gravity.
The problems that have beset String theory since are the limitations of perturbative methods of mathematical solutions in providing exact answers in the extreme arena of string theory.
If you've not already read it, the book "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene gives a great explanation of this area of theoretical physics, even if it is 5 years out of date now.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/03757081
if you're interested, priced 9 of your US Dollars.
Chris.
Quantum gravity (Score:1)
By the way, another candidate for a theory of quantum gravity besides superstring theory is the so-called canonical formulation of general relativity, which can be used as a basis for quantization. Much information on this line of research can be found for example at John Baez' web page [ucr.edu].