Flare Sends A Gigaton Of Solar Detritus Toward Earth 148
Dr. Zowie writes: "This morning at about 10:00 UT, a
major explosion occured
on the Sun. The solar X-ray output went up by over 1,000 times. About a
billion tons of material are
speeding toward Earth at over a million miles per hour, and should
hit sometime in the next couple of days. Low latitude aurorae and anomalies in radio communications and
power service are likely consequences. You can see the event from
the SOHO spacecraft's
home page -- images and movies are here.
In the movies, watch for the burst of radiation hitting SOHO about 13:00 UT -- that's a high energy proton storm caused by the flare itself. You can also see the earthly effects of a similar event from last year."
Nice day for a than huh? (Score:1)
Re:Nice day for a than huh? (Score:1)
Services which may be affected include:
* Mobile phones
* International internet connectivity (satellites will be incommunicado, oceanic cables only ppl)
* GPS and other forms of satellite navigation
* Any other technology that relies on electromagnetic radiation.
Another resource (Score:1, Redundant)
NASA [nasa.gov] always has several informative mailing lists [nasa.gov] that can at times be very interesting.
The *Sounds* of these discharges (Score:3, Interesting)
For sure, I will be out with my VLF reciever to see if there are any whistlers. Ideally, one would decamp immediately to northern Sweden or Alaska to be certain of getting under some Aurora. Its quite interesting that the sound of Aurora and solar flare activity arent used in Discovery Channel programmes, news programmes & such like; its sounds MUCH better than the cheezy muzak that they normally use to illustrate the moving pictures.
Renewable resources (Score:1)
Does anyone know how easy, or cost-effective it would be to collect and store some of the energy from solar activity, either on a national/state scale, or just over a few hundred metres ?
I realise that suitable events might be infrequent, but they might be a useful renewable energy resource if the amount were significant, even if it just reduced the load on conventional systems for a few days every so often.
Or would the "Wh" not be worth the hassle
A Relative Number (Score:1, Informative)
Re:A Relative Number (Score:1)
The sky is falling .... (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's my mirror of the two coolest "wallpaper" size images:
The Blue One [66.28.14.53]
The Green One [66.28.14.53]
-davidu
dag NABBIT!!! (Score:2)
Re:dag NABBIT!!! (Score:2)
should hit sometime in the next couple of days? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:should hit sometime in the next couple of days? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yours Yazeran
Plan: to go to Mars one day with a hammer.
Re:should hit sometime in the next couple of days? (Score:2, Informative)
For example, look at the various graphs at the Space Environment Center [noaa.gov] and you can see that different things hit at different times. Right now were getting bombarded by the EM and high energy protons, while the matter from the coronal mass ejection will not get here for a few days. The radio blackouts and sensor dazzling are from the EM (X-rays mostly) and we're getting that NOW. But the matter from the coronal mass ejection is hurtling through space towards earth at some (relatively unknown) speed that depends on the speed at which it was ejected. THAT's the stuff that generates drag on satellites, causes the aurora, etc.
Also it's nearly impossible to calculate when you'll see the aurora, because that depends a lot on local conditions and a lot of other stuff that is completely unknown to science. Best bet is to keep an eye on the data from the POES satellite [noaa.gov], which has some great plots showing likely auroral activity.
Glad we have a magnetosphere (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Glad we have a magnetosphere (Score:1)
Re:Glad we have a magnetosphere (Score:1)
If so, maybe I'll get superpowers and hook up with Storm.
Re:Glad we have a magnetosphere (Score:5, Interesting)
The reason for the absence of a magnetic field in Venus is first that it rotates soo slowly (actually it rotates 'backwards' as the orbital angular speed is greater than the rotational angular speed. The second reason for absence of magnetic fields is that the surface temperature is above the Curie tempeature for most magnetic minerals, thus any remanent magnetic field that might have been preserved from Venus earlier life is erased.
The remanent magnetisation in some ferrous minerals is also the reason for the Moons small magnetic field, evidenting, that the moon had a planetary magnetic field like earth in it's earlier life when the lavalakes (the mares) were emplaced.
Yours Yazeran
Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer.
Re:Glad we have a magnetosphere (Score:1)
The gist of it was that at the University of Maryland, they plan to simulate how the earth's magnetic field is generated by getting a sphere 3 metres across full of molten sodium and spinning it. They then hit is with a "starter field" which should set up eddy currents and lead to a self-sustaining dynao effect.
It sounds interesting, but I'm not sure I want to be anywhere near that much molten sodium.
Re:Glad we have a magnetosphere (Score:2, Interesting)
Anyway...when that happens, there is no electromagnetic field and nothing to protect the earth from solar radiation so there are lots of birth defects and things getting cancer. But scientists also think that's the reason there is such diversity in life on Earth because during these periods, tons of mutants are created.
Great.. (Score:1, Funny)
The ultimate slashdot effect!
I knew I should have invested in that UPS.. sigh.
Flamebait? (Score:1, Flamebait)
proton fluxes (Score:1)
http://www.sel.noaa.gov/ace/SIS_7d.html [noaa.gov]
Fire in the hold!
More information at spaceweather.com (Score:5, Informative)
It is a class S3 flare, which is strong enough to expose people travelling in commercial jets at high altitude to radiation equivalent to 1 chest x-ray. On average, the Sun only has about a dozen storms this strong or stronger every solar cycle (11 years). In other words, it's a fairly big one. (reference: http://www.sec.noaa.gov/NOAAscales/#SolarRadiatio
Re:More information at spaceweather.com (Score:2, Informative)
Re:More information at spaceweather.com (Score:1)
Re:More information at spaceweather.com (Score:2)
Oh no! Not again! (Score:4, Funny)
God damned terrorists!
Re:Oh no! Not again! (Score:1)
Re:Oh no! Not again! (Score:1)
Doh! (Score:2, Funny)
Doh! So much for my glorious uptime! :(
Re:Doh! (Score:1)
Then now is the time to upgrade to the latest Linux kernel. I'd say the timing was pretty perfect.
Practically Speaking (Score:5, Informative)
Satellites will likely be affected, indeed some may either have their onboard electronics so disrupted they cease to function temporarily or permanently, in other cases the cameras they use for determining proper altitude may become so filled with transient glitches that they loose lock & station-keeping is compromised.
The Earth's ionosphere will expand and the Van Allen Radiation Belts will become heavily charged resulting in numerous radio transmission oddities ranging from increased static interference to long skips. Low Earth Orbit objects will experience increased drag and possibly require altitude increases. Inhabitants of the ISS should be protected by the magnetosphere though increased radiation counts will be experienced.
Long-distance electrical transmission lines will build up significant charge. The lines in Northern Quebec are especially vulnerable from to their high latitude and lack of grounding due to the ancient granitic nature of the Canadian Shield. However measures put in place since the "Great Northeast Blackout of 1965" should be sufficient to keep any failures local and not produce a domino effect.
To Geeks the result will be poor phone and dataline connections, possibly isolated electrical outages. TV signals will be poor as will most other forms of radio & microwave transmissions. Doubtless a few bits will flip from one state to another in the course of this but this will only be noticeable in very large samples.
The good news is we've just passed the first Solar Maximum of the Information Age without great issue and this bodes well for the future. Though storms like this current one are possible (with diminishing likelihood) for the next year or so it appears fears of widespread disruption due to Solar-Max of were unfounded and along with the GPS rollover, y2k, unix t_time going to 10 digits, various odd dates etc. we've managed to come through all remarkably unscathed.
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:2)
No problem. People will just blame it on the IIS worm du jour, predict Internet Death at 11 (tm), and later sheepishly admit that this time it was actually solar flares that ate the bandwidth...
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:1)
Could this have happened at a worse time for us really? If indeed the press is not just pandering a disinformation agenda, we are still in the roll out and deploy phase.
But what of the assets (covert ops, special forces) that may or may not be already inserted in hostile territory? Are Sat/com uplinks going to be possible? Are these guys stranded? (send in the British messenger pigeon experts?)
Is GPS effected to the degree that it will effect naval and ground movements? Does the navy have a redundant system to coordinate entire modern fleet movements? It seems like this effect disrupts all the obvious ones. (microwave, radio, satellite burst crypto transmissions etc..)
I'm a bit worried about our guys (all of them, allies and coalition members included), it's dangerous enough just have large scale maneuvers during peacetime when the solar weather is fine without having some fatalities due to mishap and so on.
Keeping my fingers crossed, how horrible and demoralizing if the first news that comes from this action is that we lost good people to technical failures.
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:1)
-m
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:2)
Nowhere does it imply widespread havoc or complete disruption of services. If civilian GPS, telecommunications, etc. continue to operate (and there's absolutely no reason to expect they wont - we been through several flares of this sort in the past few years) then you can expect military ones will too.
Some satellites will experience problems but there are backups and alternates. Error rates will go up on digital transmissions and static may be annoying on analog ones but those aren't showstoppers. Some broadcasts will propagate oddly but that happens occasionally in the best of times.
This is a medium-large flare; it is not a catastrophic situation nor is it a unique event. I expect the world's militaries will be slightly inconvenienced at most.
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:1, Informative)
Most GEO spacecraft are going to have enough total dose lifetime that it will not affect them in terms of total dose and most mission profiles have a built in allotment for proton SEE from these types of solar flares...heck most of the components on GEO sats are radiation tolerant enough that protons do not cause upsets.
Most LEO spacecraft are relatively well shielded by the geomagnetic shielding of the planet and will not experience all that much of the energetic protons from the flares.
For ISS, the protons will be all shielded away, but there is likely some increased level of neutron production...apparently the walls of ISS were designed poorly to be quite good producers of neutrons during these types of events.
This really (so far) is not that big of a flare...take a look at July 14th, 2000 through July 19th, 2000 and if the on-orbit satellites fared alright through that one, this one is much less likely to cause problems.
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:1)
...and just as we step out of the danger zone prancing gracefully, smiling big for our accomplishments, the earth is unexpectedly swallowed by the planet eating monster, Zelos.
Re:Practically Speaking (Score:2)
DVD (Score:1)
The flare was so bright, diffraction patterns were all through the image. They were actually able to use the diffraction pattern to get super-resolution out of the camera, IIRC.
Very funky.
TimC.
Clearly a terrorist plot... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Clearly a terrorist plot... (Score:2)
Tons of material, hopefully non flammable... (Score:1)
What will happen if a good sized chunk of this material strikes an important building and knocks it down? Will the Shrub then wage war against the sun?
When was the Concert Announced? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:When was the Concert Announced? (Score:4, Funny)
BTW, the concert was quite visibly announced in the third janitor's closet to the left in the basement of EMA/Telstar's Galactic HQ on the far side of Rigel 5. You really need to keep up with the flow of information.
Re:When was the Concert Announced? (Score:1)
Re:When was the Concert Announced? (Score:1)
The Vorgon recites poetry at your DMCA. Bah, humbug - and so on and so forth.
Solar Terrestrial Activity Report (Score:3, Interesting)
Holy Solaris Batman (Score:1)
Quick! Call Bruce Willis! (Score:1)
I think I saw this movie.... (Score:1)
/Smuffe
Empty movie boxes (Score:1)
Re:Empty movie boxes (Score:2)
Standard warning issued ? (Score:2, Funny)
How does? (Score:1)
How do solar flares cause radio interferrance?
Thanks in advanced for fullfilling my curiosity.
--toq
Re:How does? (Score:5, Informative)
Normal ionospheric behavior is the reason why AM broadcast radio reception varies so much between daytime and nighttime hours. The lower (D) layer of the ionosphere is much thinner and higher at night when it's not being hammered by as much solar radiation. The AM broadcast band is near the very bottom of the high-frequency radio spectrum, and long-distance propagation of lower radio frequencies depends primarily on refraction by the D layer. So whenever the D layer rises, the "skip zone" around a given transmitter grows considerably. It's common to see nearby AM stations fade out at night, while even low-power transmissions become audible from thousands of miles away.
Solar flares have the same basic effect as the day/night cycle, but to a much larger degree. They usually just hose the entire HF spectrum, but sometimes the effect is very different. Under the right conditions, "ducts" and other layering effects can occur in the ionosphere, capable of propagating signals extreme distances with much less than normal loss. When you pick up a 5-watt ham radio station in Australia on your handheld shortwave radio in Texas, it's a safe bet that some unusual solar and/or geomagnetic activity is taking place.
Disclaimer: I'm a ham operator myself, but it's been a long time since I operated on any frequency below 10 GHz, so some or all of the details above may be shaky.
Quick lets whip up a good Nostradamus quote (Score:4, Funny)
hows:
when the blue turban man
wields the power of his sword
even the sun will burst out
and light his road
Re:Quick lets whip up a good Nostradamus quote (Score:3, Funny)
in predicting the future, he'll make it all rhyme
he'll write so much garbage, no-one bothers with reading
making it easy for pranksters to invent things misleading
like infinite monkeys with shakespearean play
something is bound to match up on some day
so much will he write, it'll be hit and miss
and no-one will twig that he's taking the piss
Good Wallpaper... (Score:1)
This morning? (Score:1)
This morning? Must have been yesterday (24th September) at 10:00 UTC, it's not even 10:00 UTC today yet.
Apocalypse Now (Score:1)
Re:Apocalypse Now (Score:1)
Yes! And that common enemy is: the United Nations.
Peanuts (Score:5, Informative)
Also the qouted gigaton of mass loss is not really that much. The Sun has 2x10^30 kg, and loses 5x10^9 kg per second (one from solar wind, four more from conversion of mass into the radiated energy). So one gigaton is just 200 seconds of normal mass loss.
Re:Peanuts (Score:1)
Re:Peanuts (Score:1)
Re:Peanuts (Score:1)
A calculation (Score:1)
SOHO??? (Score:1)
Andrew
Time to consult the BOFH for advice (Score:5, Funny)
Afganistan (Score:1)
Northern Lights Predictor (Score:2)
---
Simpsons Quote:
Skinner: [faking a yawn] Well, that was wonderful. Good time was had
by all. I'm pooped.
Chalmers: Yes, I guess I should be --
[notes entire kitchen is on fire]
Good Lord, what is happening in there?
Skinner: Aurora Borealis?
Chalmers: Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? A this time of day?
In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your
kitchen?
Skinner: Yes.
Chalmers: May I see it?
Skinner: Oh, erm... No.
-- Skinner and Superintendent,
"Twenty-Two Short Films About Springfield"
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Ah Crap! (Score:1)
Econimist artical on solar activity. (Score:1)
The U.S. Response (Score:1, Funny)
Nuke it 'til it glows.
Re:The U.S. Response (Score:2)
change of subject:
I remember back in 1981, at Washington University [wustl.edu], the anti-nuke groups were protesting that "any amount of radiation is dangerous". Hence, some friends and I formed a group called SOTS (Stamp Out The Sun). "Stamp Out The Sun... because any amount of radiation is dangerous". Looks like we knew what we were talking about!!!!
Re:The U.S. Response (Score:1)
Solar Status Monitor (Score:2)
Most important effect (Score:1, Offtopic)
To be on the safe side, I wrapped my cellphone and pagers up in tinfoil and left them in the trunk of my car, the most radiation resistant location I could think of.
Mega-solar flares during solar maxima (Score:2, Informative)
It's interesting to note that these events (the July 13 2000 mega-flare and this one) happened during a solar maximum, i.e., the peak of a 11-year solar cycle.
There is a nice explanation with graphics here: http://www.windows.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/tour.cgi?link= /sun/activity/solar_cycle.html&sw=false&sn=872223& d=/sun/activity [ucar.edu]
Note that in spite of documented variations (e.g. the "Maunder Minimum" from 1650 to 1700, where cold climate coincided with very low solar spot counts), solar emissions are assumed to be constant in numerical climate simulation models. Which explains why these simulations are not exactly accurate.
Best source for monitoring this flare (Score:1)
The best way to monitor this flare is to go to http://www.sel.noaa.gov/rt_plots/pro_3d.html [noaa.gov], which is the plot of proton flux measured by satellite GOES-8, averaged on a 5-minute period.
The 3 curves are the "event counts" for particles with an energy of at least 10, 50 and 100 MeV respectively. The curve has been leaping 4 orders of magnitude (10,000-fold) in the last 24-hours. Quite a nice flare.
If you have the dubious privilege of working at a large helpdesk, it would be interesting to see if the number of computer crashes actually increases. Modern, ultra-dense DRAM chips are requiring only minute energies to flip a bit, and this flare should provide more than enough SEUs (single-event upsets), even at sea level, to trigger random bitflips all over the world.
Anyone cares to provide empirical stats?
Sysadms who are in the process of a corporate deployment of Windows 2000 need not answer: We know you'll see plenty of random crashes :-).
Behind the times (Score:1)
Spaceweather.com [spaceweather.com] reported yesterday:
This morning at 1038 UT a powerful X2.6 solar flare erupted near the large sunspot 9632. A radiation storm (currently S2-class) is in progess and intensifying.The explosion also hurled a lopsided halo coronal mass ejection (CME) into space. The Earth-directed CME, pictured right in a SOHO coronagraph animation, will sweep past our planet late Tuesday or Wednesday and probably trigger geomagnetic storms.
Interested in what the solar flares have affected in the past (from Roman legions to gas line explosions to Galaxy IV)?
A little NASA article [nasa.gov].
We're at the height of the 11 year solar flare cycle. I wonder what will happen tomorrow..
Re:Behind the times (Score:2)
According to this table [spaceweather.com], the 1989 flare is tied for #1 with one from April of this year (at least, in terms of X-ray intensity). However I don't remember hearing about any significant power or communication disruptions from the April flare.
Re:Behind the times (Score:1)
-Fellow astronaut on Spaceship Earth
End of the World (Score:2)
it's the end of the world as we know it...
and I feel fine...
Don't fret the little stuff, just smile and nod,
it will all go away
Gigaton? (Score:1)
Ophrah's??
Maybe Bill Clinton's bull-shit-o-meter...
Coronal mass ejection hit earth (Score:1)
Kill the weatherman! (Score:2)
Here we've had cloudless nights for the last 5 months, and now that we've got what promises to be the best aurora all year they forecast... RAIN.
Get outta my storm cloud. Grumble.
Latest Superman comic (Score:1)
Superman: AAAAGH! AAAAGH! THE LIGHT--IT BURNS!
Lois: Well, I guess you won't be hanging around the women's locker room at the Y "on the lookout for crime" for a while, huh, Mr. Man of Tomorrow?
Osama Bin Laden has been found finally! (Score:1)
lead loincloths (Score:1)
also, i have a tendency to get naked while on an airplane. is that even more dangerous since an airplane flies higher than the limit of the iambosphere? do i need to wear a lead loincloth while streaking planes?
inquiring minds want to know.
thanks!
Re:lead loincloths (Score:1)