
Computers, Aliens and Operating Systems? 135
bhamon writes "Here's something from the you-have-too-much-time-on-your-hands dept. I've been watching the sci-fi show Earth: Final Conflict, it's about aliens that land on earth to bring peace but really want to enslave us ... blah, blah, blah. There's has been much integration between human and alien systems, bringing new technology. What I've been wondering is which current hardware would most be best to integrate with unknown alien technology? Which operating system would be most easily adaptable to be made compatible with alien systems? Would we still include legacy support for DOS applications??"
Win2K... (Score:1)
Re:You stupid fuck (Score:1)
If they did, could be one reason why we haven't been contacted.
AppleTalk, duh! (Score:1)
And the universal OS of choice is definitely MovieOS. You can do anything you want at any time without actually having to tell the computer what to do. Absolutely amazing.
-Chris
Easy. (Score:3)
It's all there, man. The appz. The aliens. All of it. Right in front of you, man...
(And if you believe that, you probably thought this was a real slashdot story too!)
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Re:Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:1)
Oh Duh! (Score:1)
(I'm sure this wasn't original, but just found out I slept an hour later than I thought I did, sure doesn't feel like it : b So I'm feeling kinda obnoxious.)
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Re:OK, I'm breaking the story (Score:1)
your body (Score:3)
You know I am totally ammazed at how many movies show alien tech that works with ours. What was that movie with Will Smith and the attacking UFO's??? Yeah okay I'll just hack into their system and put them to sleep.
This person has more time on their hands and is watching to much sci fi. Get out of your house dude and get a grip on reality! Get a dog or something! It's just TV. What makes you think that any life other than bacteria is out there? And if there is what makes you think that there tech would even be remotely like ours?
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You stupid fuck (Score:1)
Am I the only one that saw Independence Day? MacOS is the clear winner here. All you need is a powerbook and you can wipe out an entire alien race.
It's also worth noting that the aliens were running tcp/ip. Perhaps they read
--Shoeboy
hmmm (Score:2)
/. is going downhill (Score:2)
-henrik
Re:/. is going downhill (Score:3)
-henrik
Screw computing (Score:4)
What I want to know is if ESR's sex tips will help me get it on with a triple-breasted alien chick.
What's with all the ask slashdot? (Score:1)
Re:What's with all the ask slashdot? (Score:1)
Re:Ask Scott McNealy (Score:2)
Re:Advanced aliens would be smart enough (Score:1)
The aliens, at least some of them, will be jingoistic and look down upon the less technically endowed, some to the point of considering us useless. Others may be kindly and willing to trade. The world leaders will trade for advanced weapons that they will use to subjigate anyone that doesn't also get the advanced weapons (cf. Mongel Empire in India, unification of the Hawaiian islands after arrival of the British). Other trade goods will arrive. These will first be used to enhance the productivity of current economic pursuits, but then will disrupt and destroy those pursuits. For example water well drilling first makes the daily trip for water easier and then plumbing destroys the need. Eventually the society becomes dependant upon technology that the members of the society cannot understand. Even if they did understand the technology, they would not have the economic and technological structure to produce it.
The only way we will be able to survive with our societies intact is to be the cheapest supplier of some valued raw material. Maybe being the sole source of soylent green will save us!
Re:PLAN 9 (Score:2)
For Ed Wood fans, however, I'd point out that "Glen or Glenda" is probably worse.
For anyone who's actually watched "Earth: Final Conflict": did they fire all the writers last season and replace them with crackheads? There was an episode this season (Zo'or wants all the gold) that was so bad I laughed out loud. Don't make me flame it in detail; don't.
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes.
Re:Overhaul unicode (UTF-64) (Score:1)
Actually the Unicode Consortium did consider extraterrestrial life, and included UTF-32 as a standard, even though only the first two bytes are ever used (by Earth people).
"4,294,967,296 glyphs (minus a bunch of reserved ones) ought to be enough for any body."
RED + GREEN + BLUE (Score:1)
I propose we start manufacturing monitors that emit exact light frequencies below, above and between the three emitted by CRTs today.
I'd be terribly embarrassed to have Visitors and no monitor they could use.
Re:Easy. (Score:1)
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CAIMLAS
no... (Score:1)
no, its from the internationalization dept. Shhh...
you know what... (Score:3)
Re:Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:1)
Ask Slashdot: If my ass can run Linux..... (Score:2)
Sorry, but that's abotu what I think of this apil fools days rush of bs here at
...that, and I think these pills are doing something to me.
Advanced aliens would be smart enough (Score:3)
If our historians can manage to figure out ancient languages, then so can aliens figure ours. If we want to communicate with them, we should make our best efforts to teach them our language.
If you would want to teach an alien anyway, you should probably want to try in multiple ways. The first thing you would have to teach the aliens is the basic vocabulary. A basic touchscreen with videos, each showing several nouns. It will speak out the word, and write it down on the monitor whenever it is touched on the screen. Afterwards you could do the same with verbs and adjectives (e.g. color).
You don't want any device like a keyboard or a mouse, because you don't know what physical properties the alien will have. So a touchscreen is the best choice. The operating system would have to be idiot proof and solidly built (and I don't think blue screens would help the aliens to better understand what's going on).
Numbers should be counted by sticks, e.g. 20 will be represented by 20 sticks. Not very useful for big numbers, but that's the simplest option. A small tutorial about basic maths with a video would also be useful.
Another interesting way to communicate with the aliens would be some variant of the Logo language (one that wouldn't use a keyboard). Or maybe even some simplified paintbrush.
And finally after some basic comprehension has been established, you might try to let the aliens surf the web with a basic browser(or perhaps some slightly filtered version of it - you don't know what will happen if they suddenly get a woody, they might become aggressive). Possible good homepages are Google, the Google Directory, and perhaps AltaVista's image search, and maybe a child education site. The pages would need to be cleaned and simplified. If the aliens manage to physically speak our languages, then maybe voice recognition would be helpful for the web interface.
Re:Advanced aliens would be smart enough (Score:2)
Jesus, Aliens *again*? (Score:3)
WILL SOMEBODY CLUE ME IN, or at least get me a job with the Alien I.T. Department? My company just went bankrupt... or did it? MAYBE it's a plot by THEM to get me to turn against MY PLANET! BASTARDS!
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Microsoft Windows. Definately. (Score:1)
Plus an advanced alien civilization bent on world domination would probably have a lot of respect for a company like Microsoft. And would be unwilling to release it's technology without an equally advanced and world-dominating NDA.
Well...(Microsoft Bashing Aura) (Score:2)
If said aliens are going to enslave the human race, shouldn't we make it as hard as possible? Of course showing them that buggy POS would probably make them think less of us (also assuming they aren't using quantum computers and whatnot) But if they're anything like we are anymore, they won't know what to do if their computers aren't working, so forcing them to adapt to windows would at least delay our enlavement.
Re:PLAN 9 (Score:1)
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ [bell-labs.com]
PLAN 9 (Score:2)
PLAN 9 From Outer Space [bell-labs.com]
Re:Advanced aliens would be smart enough (Score:2)
What about comparitive advantage? After all, they may be the best at garbage collection, but not every Alpha Centarian has time to take out the garbage right?
-Michael
Re:Advanced aliens would be smart enough (Score:2)
Other posters have talked about alterior methods of communication such as odor, or gravitational fluxuations, but I can't imagine the BW would be sufficient for an advanced race to be productive.
I'm inclined to believe, however, that the highest BW you can achieve for communication requires a direct link between communicators (kind of like using copper or fiber). The simplest could be the twiddling of human-like digits or tenticles (unless you actually believe in telekinesis and or ESP), but could also involve electric discharge (since many terrestrian creatures are capable of doing this).
-Michael
Alien sources (Score:1)
Character Sets... (Score:1)
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Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:5)
So its obvious, the way of the future is the Mac.
Re:Jesus, Aliens *again*? (Score:2)
clearly a reference to the impending colinial government of earth
dude - didn't you catch x-files tonight, they are on their way...
Overhaul unicode (UTF-64) (Score:2)
WTF IS WRONG WITH SLASHDOT?! (Score:1)
This is really starting to piss me off. I mean, is this Slashdot.org or SeventeenMagazine.com?
Sorry to rant, but this is downright disturbing, isnt there any GOOD news out there? Anything at all?
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Re:Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:1)
Dude, where do you think we got TCP/IP from? The ship that crashed at Roswell duh.
Alien Computers == too much TV (Score:1)
Guess I'll just have to sit and wonder whether or not I chose the proper processor architecture for interfacing with aliens that don't exist.
Interface (Score:1)
And yes, the protagonist (a sentient computer) sent a virus to the alien computer; and yes, I wrote it before Independence Day came out; and no, my explanation wasn't as simple as, "gee, I'll use my powerbook to send a virus out!"
-Legion
Alien Technology (Score:2)
Second of all, I think its highly likely that alien technology wouldn't operate on the same principles our technology would thus making interfacing quite dificult and probably the data would be so foreign to make the whole thing maningless in the first place! Case in point: taelons have "biological" computers...
I will note however, my EFC soundtrack came on an audio cd, so cds are clearly the best format for inter-species data exchange.
Lastly, none of lifes higher questions can be answered by pondering a sci-fi show :) While I do watch EFC religiously, it has absolutley no content.
Oh Christ.... (Score:1)
Re:WTF IS WRONG WITH SLASHDOT?! (Score:2)
Maybe it's more like Babylon 5 (Score:2)
Maybe they want humans to integrate into their biotech?
I just love the way the technology of the really old races is shown on B5. It really made me think.
We've only been doing things this way for 50 years, some things 100 years, some things 150 years. Sure we've invested a lot in building on what we've got, and then building on top of that. But there are other fundamental ways of doing some things which we might just be on the verge of discovering this century. Consider where the state of electronics in, say, 1920. Might biotech/nanotech be about the same right now compared to the turn of the next century? How might we do things in 1000 years from now? 5000? 100,000?
What would happen as we learn to exploit biotech and nanotech? We would eventually be able to live forever. At some point, you want your population to quit expanding. Eventually your technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Anyway, back to the question. If aliens are much more advanced, their technology might not even resemble ours. Heck, their lifeform might not even resemble ours. In fact, they might consider us as resources, or as having fewer rights. They might consider earth uninhabited by intelligent life, and ripe for development/colonization, as we might a jungle or rain forest. Just clear back some of the natural habitat and animals.
The assumption of technology compatibility is assuming a lot. Can we recognize them as intelligent? Can they recognize us as (sufficiently) intelligent? Can we learn to communicate? Finally, if all of the above, then do we have products/services/culture of interest to the other? [Example: how B5 Centuari Prime first traded jumpgate technology in exchange for Earth's improved hair moose formulas.] If so, then the issue of technology integration might arise.
Slashdot is getting really lame (Score:2)
What's happening over there? Did you have a budget cut and lay off the last people with brains, or what?
Probably the XBox, it does everything else (Score:4)
I don't know, but I hope that it would be sensible enough to electrocute anyone who tried to type the phrase 'would most be best'.
Comment removed (Score:4)
An answer despite... (Score:1)
Computers function based on what can be considered an entirely different language. Such is why we have boundaries between platforms. While it is possible to cross that boundary given certain programs, it is still difficult. Thus, assuming the hardware was compatible, chances are that the software wouldn't be.
The hardware, though, probably wouldn't be either for one main reason: silicon processors aren't powerful enough to manage any of the rigors of long-distance flight aboard a spaceship. We're talking about either the maintenance of an advanced drive system requiring, perhaps billions of billions of billions of operations a nanosecond, or the maintenance of a large colony ship carrying a large gene pool to prevent inbreeding and possessing an entire encapsulated ecosystem. Either way, silicon isn't going to do shit. And once you kill sillicon, chances are that you aren't going to stay in a binary setup. Thus, the hardwares would be incompatible as well.
Embrace and Extend (Score:1)
This is my take on it.
I think Microsoft would form an partnership with the Aliens and trade technology with them. They would put out A/OS (Alien Operating System), then the partnership would brake up because Microsoft wanted to move in a different direction. The Aliens would continue to work on on A/OS and eventually put out A/OS 2. Microsoft would integrate the aliens technology into Windows and release Windows AT (Alien Technology) and proceed to market the Aliens into the ground. The Aliens would go bankrupt, Microsoft would buy the remains of the Company for 10 cents on the dollar.
The Aliens would then move to Silicon Valley to start a new company. They put out software which revolutionizes Networking and the Internet, Microsoft embraces the new software by buying a license and first integrating it into Windows AT, then extending it capabilities with new Windows AT only features. Because 99.9999% of the world is using Windows AT, there is now no need for the Aliens software, they go bankrupt again, Microsoft buys them out for 5 cents on the dollar. The Aliens leave Earth in disgust.
Jesus died for sombodies sins, but not mine.
Various industry leaders speak out (Score:1)
Linus Torvalds: Unless they submit small patches that I can properly analyze, none of the alien code is going to make it into the kernel.
Alan Cox: The aliens can send the patches to me and I'll add them to the ac prepatch tree.
Jean Louis-Gassé: We ported BeOS to the x86; with that experience under our belts I'm sure we can port it to an alien architecture in under three months.
Err... (Score:1)
Re:What if /. posted only hypotheticals? (Score:1)
Add a little paranoism, read Your Rights Online: Star Wars Most Violent Movie Ever? [slashdot.org], about mass deaths by planet destructions, and run for your shelter.
Re:Wow.... (Score:1)
Re:You stupid fuck (Score:1)
I surely hope you meant "trying to blow up the alien ship"... or should I assume they (you?) are here already?
Re:Character Sets... (Score:1)
the most likely answer.. (Score:1)
Umm... (Score:1)
Microsoft (Score:1)
Flame bait? (Score:1)
This guy is obviously trying to get a flame war started. At least he didn't ask which linux distro would integrate best or what programming language would be the easiest to interface with the alien systems.
Re:Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:1)
Yes, the plot right there is absurd... but I'd love to see the Aqua UI spread all over the universe! Lots of people bitch -- but when you actually spend a week and 1 day with OS X (as I have so far, not including the Public Beta days), you realize how polished and smart the UI is.
Long live the Mac, on whatever planet!
Re:Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:1)
The interface is totally different (Be's, in fact, was more of a rip-off of Mac OS) - the file systems are different, the kernels are COMPLETELY different, the applications are developed totally differently, and I could go on forever.
You're a funny guy, did you know that?
And obviously pretty biased too. You were smart to post anonymously.
Hmmm (Score:1)
I'm not sure. Do our astronomers have any information what kind of hardware the Canadians might be using?
It wouldn't matter (Score:1)
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Isn't it obvious? (Score:1)
Re:Jesus Bush and Aliens *again*? (Score:2)
Don't believe it? Remember that George Bush the senior used to be head of the CIA. Who knows what he did as part of those Black Budget programs. A perfectly programmed candidate.
Really, this is a joke
Really.
Don't look at those men behind the curtain
Please?
Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip
Re:/. is going downhill (Score:1)
Compatibily? (Score:2)
We choosed this way in the last 50 years, based on our knowledge of electricity. Why should they choose the same thing on an other solar system?They would probably choose something completly different, based on completly different knowledge.
I think interface with an other kind of computer would be really difficult.
Wow. Chill, people. . ! (Score:1)
A) Take life WAY too seriously, or,
B) Find a great deal of pleasure in being able to attack, kill and destroy anybody or anything which slides under the percieved 'coolness' radar for even a microsecond. Sheesh. Did you get beat up a lot when you were kids, or what?
Slashdot isn't your bread and butter. It's something you read for distraction. The Internet is just a big silly video game and any 'News' about it is equally non-life threatening. Life won't end if you can't play an MP3 or watch a stupid movie or chat with your mates in Australia via email.
I for one enjoy pondering hypothetical questions, and I am willing to bet that practically every last person out there slagging this site has spent hundreds of hours in highschool hallways talking about exactly that kind of shit.
Don't be such a bunch of tight-ass jerks. Life is fun!
Anyway, interfacing alien with human technology is a moot point. If aliens want to install devices on this planet with human help, they'd simply get us to build the hardware ourselves based on physical concepts which, even if we hadn't come upon them yet ourselves, will remain standard no matter which part of the universe you hail from. We'd just build the stuff with appropriate interfaces for human useage. Read up on Montauk and the Philadelphia experiment to see an example of how it works.
Also, oral language is easy enough to learn when you can communicate through psychic means to establish common bearings. No big deal.
Remember: This isn't Star Trek. They're here to kill us. It's organized and it's smart and it's effective, and they've done it countless times before. And aliens are only a piece of the over-all scenario. There's a ton of frightful weirdness on the way, and it's all going to hit between 1 and 12 years from now. So do what you can to get your shit together, because all the rules are about to change. In the words of Henry Rollins; "Relax. Be Drinkable."
Fantastic Lad --That arrogant fuck isn't serious, is he? Wow. Glad I'm not messed in the head like that!
v2_os (Score:1)
Well, if you trust ID4... (Score:1)
hey! (Score:1)
Re:the most likely answer.. (Score:1)
Re:/. is going downhill (Score:1)
And that's different from the rest of the year in what way?
(just kidding! just kidding!)
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I
Re:Zaphod Beblebrox! (Score:1)
For anyone else who's wondering about the 3-breasted chick, it's NOT the one on "Total Recall", it's none other but Erotica Gallumbits, author of the great book "Everything you didn't want to know about sex, but were forced to learn anyway". Check your local "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" for more information.
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I
Integration of Technologies? (Score:1)
There's been much integration between our technology and alien technology?
If so, I hope I don't have any close encounters.
[Fleeb] Hey! What do you mean, plucking me out of my sleep like that? And what's with the big eyes?
[Alien] Oh, we're just going to do the usual... probing around for flora and fauna... oh, and they're easier to see you with.
[A sinister-looking device enters the room. One of its protruberances enters where one dares not say.]
[Fleeb, screaming] You bastards! The thing is drilling a hole through my lower intestines! It's killing me!
[Alien to other alien] What do you mean 'I loaded that WinCE OS thing into it'? You fool! You know how it damn near threw us into the star when we installed it to the navigation system!
Enough already! (Score:1)
Alien computers
Star Wars most violent movie ever, despite PG rating
Can slashdot actually do anything useful? NO. (the war story)
Geek sex tips, obviously designed to invoke images of ESR in bed (with someone else)
Alien civil rights
What the ... (Score:1)
Re:You stupid fuck (Score:1)
as much as i wantto be fucked and stupid at the same time. . .
Seriously though, if the aliens came, youcan be sure Bill Gates would be there to get an exclusive agreement to develop software to meet their needs. Microsoft would sell out planet earth, just like the weird conspiracy guys in the X-Files. (I'm still waiting for them to admit that cancer man is bill gates' grandfather.)
Re:Advanced aliens would be smart enough (Score:1)
They're Already Here! (Score:1)
You have been contacted. (Score:1)
If it ever comes to this... (Score:1)
Of course, if we get visited by the Borg, we're doomed.
This part really catches my eye. (Score:1)
Yes, DOS. What did most of today's Linux users use before Linus even started work on it? DOS. And what was the most popular version of DOS? MS-DOS (mostly because IBM kept fouling up numerous things in their version, PC-DOS).
Face it, most of the hardcore Linux users here used DOS before Linux existed. Unless, of course, they used Apple computers ever since the Apple II back in the late 70's. Or, in some RARE circumstances, used UNIX back when AT&T was still working on it.
Wow.... (Score:1)
Isn’t Bill Gates an alien? (Score:1)
It's a fact that he is an alien. The NSA and FBI did a scientific study on him back in the 60's, to see if he posed a threat to the US. During the final and decisive test, a researcher threw a red dodge ball at his head in order to test his reflexes. Bill failed to move or even raise his arms in self defense The ball bounced clean off of his forehead. Flustered by the impact to his face, Mr. Gates began to stare at dodge ball angrily until a Microsoft windows logo appeared on its side. The FBI and NSA felt that Bill Gates posed no immediate threat to the nation, seeing how he used his powers for capitalistic purposes and not for communist propaganda they let him go.
Re:You stupid fuck (Score:1)
Wetware, hopefully... (Score:1)
If they're really an advanced alien species, let's see them prove it: interface the human operating system with their technology. The things we could learn from such a project would be incredible.
Well, not for those in whom the attempt "crashes..."
Take care,
Mark
Re:What's with all the ask slashdot? (Score:1)
Er... Well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um... destroying a forest. Or something.
MOD UP!!! (Score:1)
how about... (Score:1)
None of it (Score:2)
About the Independance Day Issue (Score:1)
I have noticed alot of people having a go at the Will Smith movie, Independance Day. Saying that it was stupid how a notebook computer could infect an alien ship with a virus using TCP/IP.
I don't know how you guys know he used TCP/IP, but that's not the issue here. I always presumed that since they had the small alien fighter that was captured many, many years before, that they would have had time to figure out how the computers worked and how to communicate with them.
I mean wasn't that the whole point of the scene where the old man tells the president about the Roswell incident? I don't know maybe I just like watching a movie that has an African American Comic Lead that flies alien space ships, for the comic content and special effects and not for the references to TCP/IP and viruses.
We are protected from the borg. (Score:4)
Hmmmm.... (Score:2)
Re:Dude, its obviously a Mac. (Score:2)
OK, I'm breaking the story (Score:3)
By early Thursday morning, the message was decoded and unmistakable, it was a single phrase repeated over and over again...
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
ALL YOUR...
OK, here's what's going on (Score:4)
Watch for press releases from LNUX tomorrow. "Our space robots are happy and will revolutionize the world! And SPACE!!! These are forward looking statements and..."