Mir Deathwatch 168
Well, everybody and his brother wants to let us know that Mir is coming down, really, they mean it this time. Pick your favorite site to track its descent: Yahoo | NY Times | United States Space Command | Heavens Above | BBC. But Frederic Freidel provides an oddly personal note: what goes up must come down.
Jacek Fedorynski took a look at Guess When Mir Will Splash and drew up this nice histogram of the guesses. He also notes that the median guess for Mir's return to Mother Earth was 2001-03-19 10:11:01, so the collective wisdom of slashdot was off by a few days.
Nowhere in this slashdot story do we mention either the stupid Taco Hell advertising campaign or the space fungus or the Crashing Mir Space Station Detecto-Hat.
well now I know it's true (Score:1)
And in tonight's news.....ticka...ticka...ticka... (Score:2)
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Taco Bell's famed US Taco bet may still be on! While experts found randomly on the street said that they were hungry for a taco but admitted odds were slim for being fed for free by Taco Bell. Sentiments were best stated by animal activist Sue Smith, "Like, who thinks that a floating taco flag 10 miles from Australia is a good bet?"
Meanwhile, a touring boat in the area, filled with high dollar tourists and a few programming geeks protesting the Taco Bell publicity stunt were a bit closer to the action than even they imagined.
Each protester wore official Taco Bell tee-shirts emblazoned with that annoying chatting chihuahua. The words "Kill the dog - eat a taco" were spray painted on the front and back of the shirts.
However, John C. Code, age 43 from (where else) Silicon Valley, was a victim of the Mir space station, when a hot piece of metal punched through the dog emblem, seared a hole through his chest and embedded into the boat deck. Other boat passengers described the delayed reaction to the incident by stating that John complained of heart burn, sat down and passed out.
Other passengers, traumatized by the incident, searched John's shirt for an official Taco Bell tag for use as ammunition in filing a class action lawsuit against Taco Bell for damages equal to the money projected for the Taco Bell promotion of one free taco to each American.
Attorneys couldn't comment on the preliminary reports but asked, "We have suffered enough! Our chihuahua was cut down by an a horrible chunk of weaponry from space and we're being sued? We are the victims here!" They refused to comment further on pending litigation.
Wall Street reacted to the irony in puzzlement, with Pepsico stock rising $50 in after hours trading. Analysts, ever ready with off-the-top answers, cited the relief that "the dog was dead, and people need an outlet to express themselves in a positive direction in this down market."
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Unveiled from a shroud of secrecy, Dawn Wells and others from the cast of Gilligan's Island admitted that Mir's coming down event provided a perfect backdrop for a sequel to the russian cosmonaut episode where the cast was foiled from escaping the island on a floating space capsule. Rumors had swirled for weeks that such an episode would film. Reacting to the news that Mir had an atomic reactor onboard, Wells let slip that Jim Baccus (Thurston Howell III) had been exhumed for a comedy sketch involving the reactor. "Residuals" (get it?) for the episode would go to Baccus' descendents. "Ginger" was excited about finally meeting a handsome, if aging, cosmonaut. She admitted that she wasn't the dish she used to be, and when told no cosmonaut would be onboard stated, "Well, maybe a good bottle of vodka will make it down. A few belts of that and "Gilligan" (Bob Denver) might start to look a bit attractive. I know I'll regret it in the morning, but what's a stranded movie star to do? Even I have needs..." Filming wraps up in 2 days.
what would be funny... (Score:1)
Re:And in tonight's news.....ticka...ticka...ticka (Score:1)
Well, someone is a couple years behind the times. Pepsico, in 1999 (I think) spun off Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and KFC into a new company, TriCon, with its own stock (YUM).
Guess when MIR will crash outcome? (Score:2)
I looked through all the guesses and came to the conclusion that cowkiller was the winner of the Slashdot T-shirt. Anyone confirm this? I was only 10 hours and 20 or so minutes off.
Only 7 or 8 people closer than me.
We should keep it up as a monument (Score:3)
And now we just want to deorbit it? To erase it from our memories? If we do not learn from history, then we will be doomed to repeat it. Our children will live in a world without a Russian space station orbiting above their heads. When they look out into the night sky, they won't see the work of MAN shining back at them. They'll only see the light from stars exploded billions of years ago, awash in the effusing glow of decaying atomic matter.
How much better it would've been for them to see the great Soviet empire whizzing overhead! Men died to build that great colossus. Countless dogs perished in orbit in order to test the effects of zero-g environments. Hundreds of manhours were spent in that endeavor, and we'll take it all down for what? So that we can free up a little bit more extraterrestrial realestate for a shiny new commercial satellite?
It reinforces the idea that space is to be a commercial enterprise and no longer one engaged in the pursuit of the common weal. What would Captain Kirk say about our worship of the dollar? What would he say about how we refuse to let this waystation remain on the outskirts of our fair planet just waiting for a new spirit or being to arrive and peer gently and softly at our pulsating ecosystems? The one thing the Soviets had right was their decrying of capitalism and the dammages it's wreaked on our terrestrial and extraterrestrial environments. Now, MIR will be gone, and nothing will remain in its stay.
This is a sad day.
Best Post (Score:1)
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Or you could just watch CNN (Score:2)
Re:Tacos for everyone! (Score:2)
I I can't eat at Taco Bell anyhow but I digress.
Re:We should keep it up as a monument (Score:2)
We want to de-orbit it so that the money spent on keeping it spaceworthy and safe can be spent on feeding starving people, or maybe killing Chechnyans, one or the other.
Just because capitalism is nasty doesn't mean that those rubles saved can't go towards something a bit more constructive and urgent.
Obligatory link.. (Score:2)
Win a Free Taco! (Score:1)
Taco Bell's South Pacific Target [4.18.84.31]
Re:Win a Free Taco! (Score:1)
It's the end of the world! Aaaaaaaaaah!!! (Score:1)
Anyway, I wish they had kept MIR in orbit, and made a museum of it or something. Why crash it into Earth ? Couldn't it be parked somewhere in between Earth and Moon where it would not be affected by the gravity of both bodies ? I think MIR should have been declared a national monument and kept intact somehow.
Oh well, too late now. Maybe they will fish out a few pieces and make a museum out of that, at least that way one would not have to go into orbit to visit the "museum".
Paul.
Re:140 tons of spinning metal... (Score:2)
Re:Well (Score:1)
Maybe it is not lost at all (Score:2)
So it is still probable that in a few tens of years someone will try to try to recover something from the bottom of the sea. Well, Americans put a big effort to recover that Mercury capsule they lost.
Re:We should keep it up as a monument (Score:1)
> leaders just so that we remember their mistakes
> and not repeat them?
Well, Russia still has Lenin's body preserved and on display, AFAIK . . .
Re:Yo Queiro Taco Bell (Score:2)
The end result is a tasty, if not entirely identifiable, mass-produced concoction that will cost them 9 million or so by my numbers if Mir hits the target.
Of course, you're probably better off trying to win the lottery, because at least that is audited.
Raptor
hrm (Score:1)
boy slashdot sucks as of late (btw : this isn't trolling, it's just my opinion - as stupid things like this used to make their way into quickies, which seem to only now make a rare guest apperance on the site).
Re:Pilots are taking bets (Score:1)
increase the size of the text font on your page. it looks like poop
style sheets be damned
Let's talk about what matters.... (Score:2)
Free Tacos For All - This IS RELEVANT. (Score:1)
See: Low Resolution Image Of The Target [tacobell.com]
High Resolution Image Of The Target [tacobell.com]
Scott Ruttencutter
ISS Bug Database ? (Score:2)
Don't forget (Score:2)
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Re:Will we see anything? (Score:1)
Picture of Taco Bell Target (Score:1)
Its only 40 feet by 40 feet so odds aren't good... But I'm hopeful. Hey free is free even if it is only a taco..
Will we see anything? (Score:2)
Re:I wonder.... (Score:1)
Send it towards the Sun? (Score:1)
Re:Track Mir in 3D! (Score:1)
I wonder what it'll sound like on re-entry? (Score:1)
Yeah... real smart. They deserve to be on TV (Score:2)
New Zealand maritime authorities have for days been sending repeated warnings to about 30 American Samoa-based tuna fishermen in the dump area. But most of the boats aren't leaving.
``The fish are biting in that area and it has been a tough year for them so far, so they are staying,'' Wayne Heikkila, general manager of the Western Fishboat Owners Association, said Thursday. ``I told the guys to have their video cameras ready.''
Most of Mir is expected to burn up in the atmosphere during the fiery re-entry, but up to 27.5 tons of debris are expected to reach the Earth's surface, much of it scattered over a long swathe following the station's descent trajectory.
I can just picture it:
New on FOX!
WHEN SPACE STATIONS ATTACK!
See what happens when an aging Russian space station decides to go on a rampage. All caught on video by some hapless fisherman who just happened to be in the area.
Re:Good thing they bought that insurance policy. (Score:2)
Most of Mir is expected to burn up in the atmosphere during the fiery re-entry, but up to 27.5 tons of debris are expected to reach the Earth's surface, much of it scattered over a long swathe following the station's descent trajectory.
(from the NYTimes article)
I figure that means you have to watch out for more than just one impact point... something more akin to a lot of smaller, high impact hits.
Anyone see this? (Score:1)
Looks like Mir has the possibility of landing on a fishing fleet (man that would suck...)
Histogram (Score:1)
AlpineR
Save Fritz! (Score:1)
Re:Yo Queiro Taco Bell (Score:1)
it could be really bad for the bell. lets say each taco costs them 50 cents to make. now lets say that there are 300 million people in the us. lets say every one of us (man/woman/child) wants a taco. then it will cost them about 150 million. this is a worst case estimate, but it sure would be sweet if it happened.
use LaTeX? want an online reference manager that
Re:Win a Free Taco! (Score:1)
i guess their marketing people know what they're doing.
A Mir Haiku (Score:1)
To a lonely and dark grave...
We'll miss you, old friend.
Re:That's not a haiku ! (Score:1)
Re:That's not a haiku ! (Score:1)
Re:Mir and the commecialisation of Space travel (Score:1)
Chap's name is Dennis Tito and it was $20 million he's splashed out.
Re:Free Tacos For All - This IS RELEVANT. (Score:1)
No free Tacos for us Brits obviously
Re:Free Tacos For All - This IS RELEVANT. (Score:1)
Still looks like it missed [4.18.84.31] anyway, so it doesn't make much difference!
Mir and the commecialisation of Space travel (Score:2)
Can't find any links from a quick look round, but the gist of the story was an American millionaire had paid the Russians $20 million (figures from memory, so that may well not be the correct value) a few years ago for a trip out into space.
Obviously he's not going to get out to Mir now, but they've been trying to get him onto the International Space Station as an alternative, but the other project partners have refused permission, saying it would be too dangerous to have a non astronaut floating around up there while it's still essentially a building site.
The BBC reporter did suggest that there might also be a certain amount of clique-ism going on with the professional astronauts there too however, not wanting a civilian to get the chance to get up there. Final suggestion was that he might still make it up, but only be allowed to visit the Russian section of the ISS.
Be interesting if this starts a trend for space-hopping tourists up there tho!
Re:USSC Slashdotted while I was watching it. (Score:1)
siri
Re:Pilots are taking bets (Score:1)
Contrary to Rumor (Score:3)
I recognize that many Australians are concerned about where Mi is going to land. I've looked into the matter. Despite losing to CBS in the most recent Nielsen ratings [cnn.com], ABC does not intend to crash Mir into Australia to wipe out the cast of Survivor II. Any suggestions to the contrary are completely and utterly false.
Actually, CNN is doing it to boost it's own ratings.
Re:MIR Stuff (Score:1)
"Yo quiero--" WHAM.
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MIR, Staten Island Dump (Score:1)
Re:MIR, Staten Island Dump (Score:2)
personal favorite (Score:2)
Re:Pilots are taking bets (Score:2)
Re:Hi, everyone. Kenny speaking from Chile. (OOPS) (Score:1)
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Yo no QUIERO Taco Bell (Score:1)
And you can survive a lottery, because it wouldn't fall over your head
(Disclaimer: I've never saw that advertisement, as I don't live in the U.S. I live in one of the possible places where the Mir would fall, so if you don't see my homepage updated at least this tuesday...)
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There's still a chance (Score:1)
We're talking about free tacos here, man. Be an optimist.
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"ALL YOUR CODE ARE BELONG TO US!" -- Jim Allchin
Re:Anybody remember the Slashdot contest? (Score:1)
It's started! (Score:1)
Australia's ABC News [abc.net.au] has a report [abc.net.au] that the first pieces have started splashing down in the Pacific Ocean.
Re:Yo Queiro Taco Bell (Score:1)
2) A taco is not a meal. If they were to give out a free taco to everyone in the country, they would -make- money. People would go in to buy a taco and some other food and a drink.
Ironic sponsor (Score:1)
Phillip.
Anybody remember the Slashdot contest? (Score:2)
Of course, I guess I can still hold out hope for the Mir hitting Taco Bell's floating target out in the middle of the Pacific.
Re:Pilots are taking bets (Score:1)
Now I don't know about the heads of chihuaha in your place, but in mine they hardly weigh 25 tons!
Hum... (Score:1)
I went on their site, on the Mir page I read :
The End Is Mir - 3/21/01
On the same page :
Warning: Mir is approaching re-entry day. The closer to the re-entry burn the more rapidly our data will become inaccurate. This system is not designed for Re-entry tracking. At some point, we will just stop tracking.
Well, that doesn't sound either real-time or accurate to me, thanks for the link anyway.
Mirpool.com - Guess where it lands (Score:3)
Track Mir in 3D! (Score:1)
Didn't see this one in the other comments. Parallel Graphics are tracking Mir in 3D at http://www.parallelgraphics.com/vrml/mir/ [parallelgraphics.com]. Uses Cortona VRML browser though, so it's only available to those with access to a Windowsboxen aswell.
Does look funky though!
Waz
Re:We should keep it up as a monument (Score:1)
I guess you haven't read any of Marx's or Engel's works, then?
Lenin of course had, but his implementation still didn't meet the specifications. And as we all know, Stalin changed the course of the ship more than a bit - socialism hasn't got anything to do with dictatorship, although both are valid and fine forms of government, IMHO.
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Take your own guess (Score:2)
Re:Anybody remember the Slashdot contest? (Score:2)
Re:Mirpool.com - Guess where it lands (Score:2)
i suck at math (Score:1)
Given that there are about 6 billion people in the world...
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I always liked... (Score:1)
www.mirreentry.com sponsored by Iridium ?? (Score:2)
Re:Anybody remember the Slashdot contest? (Score:1)
Michael's /. contest (Score:1)
cowkiller guessed '2001-03-23 02:02:02'
Re:MIR Stuff (Score:1)
Re:MIR Stuff (Score:1)
Re:Yo Queiro Taco Bell (Score:1)
Tacos for everyone! (Score:2)
Now is that cool or what?
Tardy Proposal (Score:1)
That way, we can pick it up in a few years/decades when we feel like it. It may even do a M'r on us to save us time.
Re:Mir, the little station that could (Score:1)
Anyway (and despite my comments above), for all you space tracking junkies, look at NASA's J-Track [nasa.gov]. Usefull for other satelites besides Mir.
All software is flawed. All hardware is flawed. If you haven't learned that yet,
Re:Free Fish? (Score:1)
s/ones/one/
Re:We should keep it up as a monument (Score:1)
Stalin just continued Lenin's plans.
And Gorbachev... You're kidding about Gorbachev, probably. 'Glasnost' means freedom of speech and 'perestroika' means reconstruction. They have nothing to do with socialism at all. On contrary, vast majority of soviets hate Gorbachev because of his anti-socialist reforms.
For once (Score:1)
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Re:We should keep it up as a monument (Score:2)
Heh.. (Score:3)
Pilots are taking bets (Score:2)
We lived through skylab, we live through billions of metorites every day (most microscopic) and we have survived things falling from space since man began, this will be little different.
I like the people who do the chicken little imitation. I also like the greenies who holler about all of this even though most of it will burn up and what doesn't should rust away before too long.
This will be something to look at to see if we can see it fall, though.
DanH
Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]
Re:MIR, Staten Island Dump (Score:2)
"We look for the Great Wall of China. Although we can see things as small as airport runways, the Great Wall seems to be made largely of materials that have the same color as the surrounding soil. Despite persistent stories that it can be seen from the moon, the Great Wall is almost invisible from only 180 miles up!"
notice he says _almost_ invisible!
:-)
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Re:Good thing they bought that insurance policy. (Score:2)
But this got me wondering, how big a splash will this make? The chances of being hit have got to be incredibly small, but how close would you have to be to where it hits for the wave (or flying chunks of molten space station that go flying from the impact?) to be any kind of a problem? (don't have any idea how big/small these fishing boats would be, probably pretty big to operate on the open ocean, eh?)
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Re:Send it towards the Sun? (Score:2)
Clearly a push is easier, A push right in to the pacific, and I hope, on to the Taco Bell target
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Hack into MIR????? (Score:2)
The possibilities are endless...
Re:Will there be any salvagable remains? (Score:2)
Re:That was definitely (Score:2)
Fritz's last thoughts? (Score:2)
[not so]Far above the world
Planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do...
Re:We should keep it up as a monument (Score:2)
Can (or could) they hear the reentry in Hawaii? (Score:3)
This is now past tense, since Mir is apparently warming the minnows at this point, but could these sonic booms have been heard in the any of the nearby Pacific Islands? Easter Island, Hawaii, etc?
Of course, I'm not really expecting something on a Krakatoa scale, and I doubt the sound wave would still be audible by the time it reaches me several hours late
Mir's Uptime (Score:2)
1:38pm up 11 years, 53 days, 14:01, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
mir$ su
Password: seineewserastsilatipac
mir# halt
Connection to mir closed.
MIR Stuff (Score:5)
This article in Yahoo on the Countdown [yahoo.com] slates re-entry between 1:20 AM and 1:30 AM EST, Friday, March 23.
A site with a real future, www.mirrentry.com [mirreentry.com]
Heavens Above [heavens-above.com], which has charted the orbital decay [heavens-above.com].
On the Marx-Spinning-In-His-Grave front:
Leading up to the event have been word of passengers paying $5,000-10,000 a seat to fly around the area in hopes of catching a glimpse (of course, they'll have to be on the correct side of the plane.)
Should the core of Mir hit a 40' square target, [tacobell.com] Taco Bell will give everyone in the USA a free Taco
An alert eBayer, always right on the cutting edge of capitalism has offered up the Crashing MIR Space Station Detecto-Hat [ebay.com] Made of the best stainless steel double-handled colander five dollars could buy... (No word yet from Rambus on patent infringement.)
Lastly I hope that the mutant space fungus [slashdot.org] will be burned up on re-entry. I don't want to wake up drooling [yahoo.com] beside a pod.
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Re:Anyone see this? (Score:2)
Feh.
OK,
- B
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Fire in the hole! (Score:2)
This seems somewhat odd, as I imagine a couple tons of stuff hitting the ocean at 17k m/h is going to kill a couple of fish. Plus, who knows what sort of nastiness is in the materiels of the ship, screaming out of the sky in a red hot rocket of pollution. I just thought that was wierd. Has anyone else seen anything from the greenies about this?
Brant