
Transparent Transistors? 69
ExRex writes "New Scientist has this article about a material developed at the Tokyo Institute of Technology which is not only both a semi-conductor and ferro-magnetic at room temperature, but is also transparent. It may lead to flat panels which contain both image processing circuitry and memory in the screen itself." They're thinking laptops, but I'm thinking heads-up displays.
Re:head up displays... (Score:1)
Ah, electrochromic technology. That's neat stuff, especially the LBL-developed material [lbl.gov] that uses power to change the tinting, and holds its current tint when the power is removed.
You're right, it's still expensive, but the costs are coming down. We're already seeing electrochromics being used for auto-dimming rearview mirrors on everything from VWs to Buicks, and it's showing up in larger panels on show cars like the Cadillac Imaj [generalmotors.com] and Mercedes Maybach [autoweb.com.au]. There's also a big push (and a US DOE Initiative [lbl.gov]) for developing electrochromic windows to make buildings more efficient.
Cool, now we can build true 3D displays (Score:1)
Solar Cells? (Score:1)
This transparent semiconductor would allow the light to penetrate deeper, allowing potentially several layers of active cells, increasing the efficency of the panels.
Or do I just not know what I'm talking about (I suspect not:) But the prospect of transparent solar panels on my windows powering my house sounds very attractive.
How about 3D ? (Score:1)
Layers of transparent 2D screens can be combined at different distances to provide a psuedo 3D image.
If this transistor really becomes cheap and if its really transparent, then I'd imagine someone would make a solid block out of it and make the first perfect 3D television...
I know what I need for next christmas now..
Re:head up displays... (Score:1)
You don't need transistors for that. There are some conductive films that can darken when current passes through. I have seen that in a lab: a window with a dimmer switch to obscure it. I believe it is already industriailzed, though still expensive.
Broken Pixel = Signal 11 (Score:1)
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Bad idea (Score:1)
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CAIMLAS
Re:TFT overlays for OHPs (Score:1)
//rdj
3D Displays? (Score:1)
Could this technology be used to create true 3D displays. Pixels and transistors to control them embedded inside a clear plastic cube?
Re:Image enhancing glasses (Score:1)
they were not given to be a very good thing if you liked your privacy.
Re:Reasoning behind laptop screens. (Score:1)
White LEDs will probably be a big boon to flat-panel displays, since they require less power and don't change color all the time like the current flourescents do. LEDs could figure even bigger if the organic LED [slashdot.org] technology takes off.
1986... (Score:1)
Scott: "Ordinarily I could do it with transparent transistors."
Sulu: "I'm afraid you're a number of years too early for that."
Scott: "I know. We've got to find a twentieth century equivalent."
McCoy: "But where?"
Later...
Nichols: "Transparent Transistors?"
Scott: "That's the ticket, laddie."
Nichols: "It'd take years just to figure out the dynamics of this matrix."
McCoy: "Yes, but you would be rich beyond the dreams of avarice!"
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McCoy: "You, uh, realize, of course, if we give him the formula, we're altering the future."
Scott: "Why? How do we know he didn't invent the thing?"
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The Good Reverend
Re:head up displays... (Score:1)
Re:Screen technology coming together (Score:1)
Can anyone point out some nice transparent battery technology too? (Or, thinking about it, you can always hide the power source in the window/picture frame...)
Re:just a thought... (Score:1)
New iMac (Score:1)
just a thought... (Score:1)
tdawg
Re:Ohno! Moderator alert ... (Score:1)
Don't worry about it. Someone gave me a karma point and took one off you, which made me feel guilty. Good to know you're not upset. I've only got 13 and don't care about my karma (New Year's resolution :-) as long as I can post at the default level. I just get tetchy when it looks like people are being rewarded with karma for -not- reading the main article.
Did anyone get the Ohno! joke btw? If you're moderating and think it was funny, give someone else who looks like they need it the points.
Re:TFT overlays for OHPs (Score:1)
I don't know why nobody makes something like this anymore. It was extremely useful and surprisingly durable...you just popped the back of the display off and opened the laptop until it was flat on the OHP. Then you just snapped the back on when you were finished and it was a regular laptop. The lighting element and reflective surface were in the detachable part.
The only downsides were that the resolution was only 640X480 and it was only a P75, but it was an absolute tank...it traveled with me constantly for over a year and never had any hardware problems at all. I even checked it as baggage a few times. Try that with a Vaio and see how long it lives.
I've got to think that there's anough people who do presentations all the time who would buy another one like that. It sure beats carrying a projector. I'd even put up with an extra pound of weight for the added complexity.
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Old technology (Score:1)
Automotive applications (Score:1)
If a windshield for a Chevy Lumina Minivan costs $1000.00 now, What would it cost with an integrated Heads up display with enough RAM to store my MP3 collection.
If I get a stone chip from a passing car, do I have to run FSCK?
Not much longer until... (Score:1)
"Admiral, there be whales here".
Clear Li ion batteries? (Score:1)
If this stuff is a good enough thermal conductor, they could build fast CPUs right into the display and the display face would make a nice large heat sink. Then, your palm pilot could be completely clear ... and nearly impossible to find when you misplace it. On second thought, maybe they should keep the batteries opaque. ;-)
If you got the photosensors right, you might be able to make a sheet of glass that could scan, and later display, any image it was set on top of. How cool would that be?
On a lighter note, they really should have picked a better English translation for Tokyo Institute of Technology. The three letter acronym is just a bit obscene for a t-shirt. My freind has a t-shirt from a robotics competition held there. I still chuckle and shake my head when he wears that shirt.
Karl
I'm a slacker? You're the one who waited until now to just sit arround.
Re:No Tea (Score:1)
isn't it transparent (Score:1)
head up displays... (Score:1)
Re:head up displays... (Score:1)
Self Assembly, Nanotech (Score:1)
Imagine small blocks that use the magnetic field to move around. They use the semiconductive aspect to perform logic and to route power from one block to the next. They communicate with their neighbors to assemble into larger structures.
Re:Reasoning behind laptop screens. (Score:1)
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Re:Backlight (Score:1)
Of course, that might not be possible, so another option might be Starlight-scope style for the glasses.
Kierthos
Backlight (Score:1)
Same thing goes for car windshields, window panes etc. As long as these objects do not produce light on their own, You will still have problems like this.
Of course, HUD's are fun stuff, and there is existing technology to have them, but that's another story...
I can already see... (Score:1)
"Now, rather than choose from 5 colors for your iMac, you can select which color you want from this handy-dandy control panel! Import pictures of the kids! Use Hendrix inspired Psychedelic Colors! Show the man you don't want to take the same ol' beige!"
Re:head up displays... (Score:1)
I'm surprised noone's mentioned it (Score:1)
This wouldn't help Heads-Up Displays (HUDs) (Score:1)
I built a HUD system using an LED display and TTL electronics, for my car dashboard. It was functional, but too dim and took up WAY too much dashboard space. But it was a cool project, and got lots of comments (made me look very geek), and I learned a LOT about HUD systems.
I found that you need a few things for a halfway decent HUD.
- You need to focus the display at infinity, so that your eyes don't have to refocus from far to near. With the display mounted right in front of you, it's no better than looking down at the dashboard.
- You need a good and LARGE lens system so that the display is focused far away. Basically, the display will be visible in an area the same size as the lens. Think of it this way: because it's focused at infinity, when you move your head sideways the display won't move (it's fixed in space, way out ahead of you). The light rays will be coming off the lens parallel (that's the definition of focused at infinity). To be able to SEE the display in any range of head positions, you need a fairly large lens. Otherwise, if you move your head out of the "beam" of focused light, you cannot see it. A minimum size of about 2-3 inches is required ON EITHER SIDE of the outermost display elements - and more is better. I used a commonly-available 8x10-inch Fresnel lens (cut to size), but that was poor optical quality and there was a lot of blurring and scattering due to the concentric lines in the lens. But I couldn't find a large enough glass lens that would FIT on the dashboard.
- You need a large, semi-transparent mirror. You've got to see all of the display, yet without blocking the background image. Coated glass surfaces that reflect strongly at your display color wavelength are best, because they do not color the light passing through the glass, and ONLY reflect the one color of your display. (Note that the only good option is a a single-color display, or maybe two or three distinct colors if you have multi-layer coated optics. Coated optics are EXPENSIVE, too.) In my case, I just wimped out and used the inside surface of the windshield as the final mirror. I considered a patch of silver window tinting, but that conflicted with state laws regarding tinting on the forward windshield.
- You need a fairly long optical path. Unless it's a really thick lens, you can assume a 2 or 3 to one ratio between diameter and focal length - so a five inch lens mandates at least a 10 inch long optical path between the display and the lens. THEN you need the transparent mirror... Military displays are usually "folded" with extra mirrors, and still are fairly large units. I got away with an extra mirror, but that introduces more light loss.
- You need a REALLY REALLY bright display. You've got to pump out enough light to see the partial reflection, and also you've got to overcome your background brightness (even military HUDs are hard to see under certain lighting conditions, such as bright sunlit clouds). For this reason, military displays almost exclusively use single-color (usually green to match the coated optics) vector-driven (non-shadow masked) cathode ray tubes. They are so bright that looking directly into them can hurt your vision.
- Most importantly for THIS discussion, you want the display solid black where it's not illuminated. You don't want to introduce extraneous light into your field of view.
- You need a cooling system. The CRT display is so bright that it gets HOT.
- You need MONEY. Coated optics, large lenses, cooling systems, and bright displays are each very expensive to obtain or build.
Based on these requirements, a transparent display doesn't help you at ALL. Instead, you want a really really bright opaque display, and lots of expensive and large optical components. That's why your car does not have a built-in HUD yet.
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Re:Reasoning behind laptop screens. (Score:1)
I would assume that the backlight considerably reduces battery life.
Re:head up displays... (Score:1)
TFT overlays for OHPs (Score:1)
Or even better a TFT panel on a laptop that you can rip the back of the lid off and sit on an OHP. I do some presentations at companies that don't have all that state of the art projection kit we have in the office. Normally I have an OHP for slides and a bunch of people round my laptop since I can't be bothered carting all the crap to set up a decent video projection system with me.
It would be so cool to be able to take the cover off my laptop, plunk it down on top of an OHP and get a large screen video display!
Actually, I seem to recall a laptop that did this some time ago, but as I never saw one I have no idea how the display looked with those old transistors that you couldn't see through.
Re:im thinking too big or ur all thinking too smal (Score:1)
Computers that you can actually see the pathwork. (Score:1)
Not novel at all (Score:1)
This is why manufactures have tried different variants of LC -- twisted neumatic, ferroelectric, etc. in hopes of improving the polarization efficiency (PI radians wavefront rotation or whichever polarizaiton method is being used - linear, circular, etc.). There are already transparent transistors using other methods, and there are even plastic, clear, flexable transistors which can be "printed" so I don't see what's the big deal. They're either reinventing an already existing technology because they don't have any truly new ideas or are hoping to claim already established methods as their own. Either way there is nothing new or novel here.
Inexpensive HUD (Score:1)
Scan and display... (Score:1)
transparency (Score:1)
I have my whole system a Pentium V 200ghz 10Terabytes of spage 18gb mem which is transparent, and when I can see it I'll post with it to prove it.
Republicans aren't so bad" [antioffline.com]
Re:just a thought... (Score:1)
Re:Image enhancing glasses (Score:1)
That would end up being one of those useless gadgets that are in the classifieds in the back of Popular Science. There would be some uses, though.
Transistoshades! with 25% of light blocked out.
How small are they? (Score:1)
Use it for copy protecting IP! (Score:1)
Re:A thought... (Score:1)
But since the EInk is only monochrome.... Would there be a way to use multiple layers of these and EInk so that we could get RGB or CYMK?
Re:TFT overlays for OHPs (Score:1)
Defeating iris-scanning ID systems (Score:2)
Or, on a less insidious level, for the fashion concious: contact lenses that can display funky dynamic patterns.
You can't 'look through' a HUD, can you?? (Score:2)
Tom
Ohno! Moderator alert ... (Score:2)
"Currently, transistors in laptop displays absorb a quarter of the brightness of the backlight. Transparent transistors could solve this."
Above quote copy-pasted from the New Scientist article referenced by /. - I claim score 3 informative too. No offence intended to onion2k, but this is getting silly.
BTW, If transistors soak up 25% of the light, just stick a few on your window, then the sun won't be so bright
Screen technology coming together (Score:2)
Pioneer also announced work in this area [theregister.co.uk] several years ago
"Bright" Idea (Score:2)
If these mobile processors emit 25 watts of energy, and are designed for mobile units, why not put that to good use? At that wattage, you could get things to incandesce, or maybe more efficiently cause it to flouresce. Why not backlight your LCD with it?
You'd even still have your energy-saver if the backlight and processor "sleep" at the same time!
A la Terminator Glasses (Score:2)
My point is that this will boost the wearable market in peculiar.
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Reasoning behind laptop screens. (Score:2)
Which would be nice right now coz the sun is far too flamin' bright.
Re:Ohno! Moderator alert ... (Score:2)
And anyway, karma is worthless. When I can spend it I'll care. So I went down to 48 by being overrated. Is that a problem? I think not.
Re:Ohno! Moderator alert ... (Score:2)
Re:Image enhancing glasses (Score:2)
However, I don't know if the miniture camera idea is possible with just one set of lenses (one lens per eye, that is)... wouldn't you still need more then one lens or a lens and mirror arrangement to do proper magnification? I don't know a lot about optics though... If it can be accomplished with only one lens per eye, then I'd like to see it do telescopic and microscopic magnification.
IR sight might be possible, but you would need a receptor to "catch" the IR, while the software and image translation could be built into the lenses, which are simultaneously used as the screen.
Recording would be much easier, IMAO, although depending on how much memory these hypothetical lenses can hold, you'd want some sort of backup storage. Obviously, you'd also want some way to transfer the data. An attachable wire to one of the earpieces, perhaps.
Just my 2 shekels.
Kierthos
Image enhancing glasses (Score:2)
I'm thinking glasses with built-in miniature cameras to enhance image quality of the world around us. Zooming, recording, IR vision, the possibilities are endless.
Or am I just daydreaming again?
Zenoran
-- In the Garden of Eden, God is giving Adam a geometry lesson:
"Two parallel lines intersect at infinity. It can't be proved but I've been there."
Re:Image enhancing glasses (Score:2)
How a TFT works (Score:3)
Re:A thought... (Score:3)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Neato high-tech X-ray specs just aren't the same thing when they're bulked up like night-vision goggles.
But then I thought...holographic optics. The right interference pattern on a thin film will do the job that a set of lenses would.
Re:A thought... (Score:3)
Now, if they can do this, and make the combiner not have a large impact on the view when the display is not showing anything (so that I don't have to remove the display to see normally), and get a Bluetooth link so that I don't have to have a huge cable running down my neck....
A thought... (Score:3)
There's some potential here, I think...
information wants to be expensive...nothing is so valuable as the right information at the right time.
Screen technology (Score:3)
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No Tea (Score:3)
im thinking too big or ur all thinking too small.. (Score:4)
Steve Jobs must be wetting his pants.