Geomagnetic Storm To Begin Tonight 111
Kiel Oleson writes: "According to the Kansas City Star and the Space Environment Center, there is an 80% chance that a series of five geomagnetic storms will disrupt communications and power systems. These storms will hit the earth beginning at 5 PM CST today and ending at 5 PM CST tommorow. There is a 40% chance of there being severe or major disruptions in satellite orbits, electrical grids, and radio. The good side? Some of us may be able to see the Aurora! Get those UPS's charged!" Everyone's cell phone working OK?
Y2K as a disaster? (Score:2)
Re:Magnetic Storm (Score:1)
Nice... (Score:1)
Re:Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sor (Score:5)
As to whether they've fixed things so it won't happen again, I guess we'll see tonight.
Aurorae rock! (Score:1)
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If the good lord had meant me to live in Los Angeles
QSY to 444.975Mhz PL 107.2 (Score:1)
UHF - anything less might as well be DC
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Time to... (Score:1)
Re:Geomagnetic storm my ass... (Score:2)
Re:Oh no! (Score:1)
Power Disruption? (Score:1)
Re:Satellite wierdness begins? (Score:2)
If you watch the time delayed image, what you see is the clouds on the left side of The Line fading gradually, which is what I would expect the clouds to to during nightfall. On the right side of the very clearly and probably artificial Line, you see pretty much nothing. The image of North America is probably just a back drop; sub-imposed under the picture of the clouds.
Sorry for fooling you about knowing how weather satellites work; IANA weather satellite expert; I know nothing about the orbits or said sats; or the type and quality of said sats information. Again, I apologize for the implicit deception. Just making some random observations about this.
Re:Hooray (Score:1)
X Storm (Score:2)
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Re:Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sor (Score:2)
I can't talk for all of Canada, but in Quebec it's been fixed years ago. They simply installed giant capacitors at the ends of transport lines, so that DC current is filtered out.
Anyway, I was told that (but does not have proofs of) the whole electrical problem mainly concerned the province of Quebec because of the way the grid is layed out geographically. Big hydroelectric power plants in the northern part of the province, and very long and straight power lines to bring all that to the south. Apparently, the alignment of the lines (north-south) and their lenght (several hundred kilometers) would have helped greatly to generate the DC current that fried everything.
Re:Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sor (Score:2)
No. It's both [agu.org].
Quoting from the above link:
There are 765kV lines in the midwest that are 100s of miles long, but they don't have significant problems with geomagnetic storm induced voltages. Similar lines in Canada, where there exists areas of igneous rock, had problems in 1989 during the last solar cycle.
Indeed, most of the problems with these magnetic storms occurs in the transformers. Transformers are non-linear devices and the DC voltage offset created by the storms force the transformers out of the linear part of their operating curves (saturation). This causes all kinds of problems, including localized heating of the transformer core and harmonic currents.
Nothing to see here (Score:1)
If i can't see it here, i can suppose that the majority of the
Forget UPSes and cell phones.... (Score:1)
Time given in UTC or user TZ ? (Score:1)
Why not have times used in slashdot articles given in UTC time and then possibly converted to the user preference timezone.
Sorry, but when the f**k is 5 PM CST... ?
I know I can find that info, but well, it'd like not to have to, I'm not american...and not all slashdot readers are.
Re:Brace yourselfs. (Score:1)
I agree with you that we should deal with problems before they have a major, negative, wide-spread impact... but Y2K wasn't much of a disaster, though, but more of a mega-hype-turned-fizzle (thankfully). Perhaps we just got lucky.
Re:Power Disruption? (Score:1)
Re:An interesting side effect ... (Score:1)
Re:Brace yourselfs... for what? (Score:1)
and if you shield the thing with aluminum you further increase it's immunity.
Next we'll hear that ant farts cause the click of death in Zip drives, because the transistors were mauve in color.
Re:Brace yourselfs. (Score:1)
Re:QSY to 444.975Mhz PL 107.2 (Score:1)
Re:These storms are always cool (Score:1)
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Re:These storms are always cool (Score:2)
cool as a plasma storm would be, the green flash is indicative of an above ground power transformer blowing. Where I live that happens fairly often during blizzards. The green flash can be seen from miles away.
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Re:Brace yourselfs. (Score:1)
Re:im confuzzled (Score:2)
Re:Quick! Everyone rebuild! (Score:1)
Guestimation: (Score:2)
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Re:where i live? (Score:1)
Re:Will I wake up with pointy hair? (Score:1)
Re:Time to... (Score:1)
I guess I wont be seeing much of anything (Score:1)
Re:Oh no! (Score:1)
Inflight communications might be affected on northern routes, especially those over-the-pole flights. But airplanes themselves are self-contained systems and fairly resilient (even lightning strikes seldom damage planes). So, not too worry....
Maybe (Score:1)
This vs Y2K (Score:4)
Ziggy also says: (Score:1)
Magnetic Storm (Score:2)
Coincidence? (Score:1)
Cycling the DSL modem and a (rare) reboot later, it came back up. It was down about 20 minutes.
UPS (Score:1)
Hooray (Score:1)
Re:These storms are always cool (Score:1)
Time, O dear time. (Score:1)
World Domination (Score:3)
The millennium approaches (Score:2)
Cellphones? (Score:3)
Oh, Timothy, dear Timothy -- it probably won't be...that's kind of the point.
As an interesting side benefit, I might actually find a use for all that ramen and cans of baked beans I bought for y2k...
"Sweet creeping zombie Jesus!"
Re:FOR LATEST IMAGES OF AURORA...... (Score:2)
Power went out here in Houston 2 hours ago (Score:1)
Re:Brace yourselfs. (Score:1)
i don't agree... ANARCHY, MUTHAFUKAS!!!!
(just kidding
Signed,
The Comittee for Stating the Blatantly Obvious;)
Re:Time, O dear time. (Score:1)
Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sorted (Score:1)
I heard that Canadian authorities were working on a fix for this a few years back(geeze, almost ten now, I suppose)- did they ever put a solution in place? And what about other areas with similar geology?
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Re:Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sor (Score:1)
This link just proves they use DC, but I can't find info for the James Bay grid HVDC....
http://www.nationalgrid.com/usa/operations/elec
Re:Magnetic Storm (Score:2)
I'm an AM radio DX'er, this will cause some strangeness there. Or will the storms heavily interfere with AM skywave? It may also be interesting to listen to the shortwave bands tonight as well.
It's true an event like this will cause more disruption than Y2K did (nothing), but it's temporary. Does anyone know how far south the aurora will be able to be seen? I doubt it will get as far south as North Carolina.
Re:Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sor (Score:1)
Yep, most people here live in Southern Ontario, or southern B.C. In Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, most people live quite far from the U.S. Regina is about three hours from the border, ditto for Calgary and Winnepeg. Saskatoon and Edmonton are both the bigger cities in their provinces and they are quite far from the Border.
Re:Did the Canadians ever get their power grid sor (Score:2)
Some 90% of Canadians live within some 5% of the contry, a thin strip running along the US border. Most of our natural resources though are further north, where there aren't many people. So this limestone affect probably isn't a major issue, since very few would be affected.
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Re:Y2K as a disaster? (Score:2)
Will this harm airplanes? (Score:1)
Re:Brace yourselfs. (Score:1)
Rembember shielding equipment is very simple: put it an a metal box and the faraday cage effect will stop everything but gamma rays.
oh really (Score:1)
Re:Y2K as a disaster? (Score:1)
But the so called 'second world' did suffer, though it was not reported widely in the america-centric news.
I went to Russia and Poland earlier this year in a professional capacity, and came across many word-of-mouth tales of malfunctions and problems. Governments in these countries tend to cover up such problems, but they do exist, even still, I can assure you.
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Geomagnetic storm my ass... (Score:4)
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Link whoring for Aurorae (Score:5)
I saved this from the last solar storm story on slashdot. (hey, alliteration!)
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html& lt;/a> [noaa.gov]
Shows the level of auroral activity in the northern hemisphere. Click around for a southern hemisphere view, ya' lazy bastards.
Just a random sunspot - triggered musing (Score:3)
Apparently, we're around the maximum of this cycle now, which nicely correlates with these storms... (and here's the random musing)
Obviously this could (and probably will) have some effects on electrical systems here on earth(my home's power pulsed twice this morning, dunno if it's a result of the magnetic storm). What's interesting, to me at least, is that during the last solar maximum, computers/electrical dependant systems weren't quite as ubiquitous as they are now. Astronomers as far back as Galileo have recorded information on sunspots and the possibility of a cycle. But it's not like this had any noticable effect on their lives (like Poor Richard's Almanac getting delayed because the intranet went down). As the man from Britain pointed out above, our increasing reliance on technology has some risks associated with it. I'm not too overly concerned just yet, though. It's not like my electrochemical nerve impulses are gonna get scrambled; as long as those are working, I figure I'm alright;).
I just think it's kind of interesting that the 'Net and the Information Age (sorry to sound like Katz here) happened to begin in a lull in solar activity. Now that systems that are sensitive to solar phenomena are commonplace, I'm thinking we'll notice more or larger effects of these storms on our lives. (ie- 'Napster's down?! Aaaagh!' or even worse; 'I can't get sync!!'
In the sci-fi vein; I'm wondering if we accidentally timed the Information Revolution just right... right now, we're aren't so reliant on technology that a disruption would cause widespread catastrophy. At least we'll get a vague idea of whether or not solar activity should be considered when designing technological component and systems, etc., and who knows, it might save us from ceeertain dooooom later on;D.
Ah, well. End Random Musing.
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Re:These storms are always cool (Score:1)
Yay! (Offtopic I know) (Score:1)
Gopher's not dead
Re:Time given in UTC or user TZ ? (Score:1)
CST time is -6 GMT, it is now 5 pm Central time here in texas.. i havent felt any effects yet..
Im thinking of going to the local store and buying up all the tinfoil i can get my hands on and try to wrap myself in tinfoil and see if i get zapped. NOT...
It's gonna the 3rd storm at 1 am cst that im waiting to see/feel/smell
Cool! (Score:1)
Re:World Domination (Score:1)
Satellite wierdness begins? (Score:1)
Re:where i live? (Score:1)
Re:Cellphones? (Score:1)
Until I finally got through on my dial-up and saw this story I assumed it was just 'cause we got several inches of rain today and all the station wire under the house is over a quarter-century old.
As for the aurora (mmm, slot cars and DB5's), just like any other time something interesting is going on in the sky, all we have is clouds :(
Re:Oh no! (Score:1)
Re:Y2K as a disaster? (Score:1)
Re:Cellphones? (Score:1)
I am now connected at 4.8K. Not 48K, 4.8K! I now know the web equivalent of watching paint dry.
Re:where i live? (Score:1)
Re:Cellphones? (Score:1)
Re:Guestimation: (Score:2)
Re:Time to... (Score:2)
TV satelites down in Europe? (Score:1)
Geomagnetic Storm Jokes (Score:1)
Given the likelyhood of typed papers being on hard disk, I wonder how many students will be able to use the "The geomagnetic storm ate my homework" gig.
krystal_blade
Quick! Everyone rebuild! (Score:1)
Re:These storms are always cool (Score:1)
I remember one night the power went out and I noticed a light in the sky. I looked out the window and saw this streak across the sky like an aurora and heard a buzzing noise in the sky. The streak converged somewhere far away. It turned out that a large transformer had blown up for some reason. It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. It made me want to become a professional transformer-blower-upper.
Will I wake up with pointy hair? (Score:1)
Re:Why do you care? (Score:1)
Muhahahah (Score:1)
"Listen, Mr. Bush....we've been secretly working this large device called a "Laaa-zer" thay will fire a powerful "Laaa-zer beam" at the sun, causing a reflection of solar energy that will block out the world's communication equipment for a period of 24 hours. Then we can prevent all those votes from being counted!"
Haha! Great! (Score:2)
Now, when I switch the damn thing off, I can blame the outage on the geomagnetic storms!
LETS HEAR IT FOR THE SUN! WHOOOOHOOO!
Plus, all that y2k water in my store room is starting to develop algae. Better drink it quick!
Re:Time given in UTC or user TZ ? (Score:1)
Thank god I've got a tube amplifier (Score:1)
Re:Magnetic Storm (Score:2)
Time to stop putting beans in the feeder, methinks.
These storms are always cool (Score:5)
A few minutes later, a brownout occurred and my computer rebooted. This happened continuously for about an hour, and after the third instance I just turned it off. At this point I went into my living room, when the power went totally out. I was sitting on my couch in total darkness when suddenly there was a BRIGHT GREEN flash from the window. This was too weird. I had to go outside.
I found that it had become extremely cold. The green flashes continued, and I also started hearing noises not unlike circuits being grounded. That stereotypical zap-zap noise. I must have stayed outside for an hour wondering how often something like that actually happens. I still had no idea what the hell it was, until I remembered that there was a Coronal Mass Ejection the previous night. It was a plasma storm!
My Satalite Tv in South Africa was knocked out (Score:1)
Communications breakdown... (Score:1)
Please don't be alarmed, but "A communications disruption can mean only one thing. Invasion!"
Hrm - my speedometer was wacko yesterday... (Score:1)
Re:Satellite wierdness begins? (Score:2)
If anything, it is probably just a computer error.
Re:Power Disruption? (Score:1)
Re:Geomagnetic Storm Jokes (Score:1)
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WI state fair (Score:2)
Having no power at the state fair in the middle of milwaukee on a friday night made for many unhappy vistors...
Oh no! (Score:2)
Is there anything to be afraid of?
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