
A Path To Perfect Lenses? 74
Johan writes: "The Economist is reporting that a British scientist has invented a way to make perfect lenses. Previously, the smallest feature a lens could resolve has been limited by half the wavelength of the radiation used (for light this is in the millionths of a metre range ... very small but not good enough for many applications). With perfect lenses, this limit has been eliminated."
Re:What about Heisenberg? (Score:2)
One form of Heisenberg's Uncertainlty principle is that if you're making measurements of both the momentum and position on an object, then the error in your measurements will obey
\delta p * \delta x >= \hbar / 4
But no-one's making measurements of momentum when they're looking through a lens, so \delta x can be made as small as you like.
eek! (Score:1)
Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
Re:Anyone remember the NakedCam? (Score:3)
(insert sound of every geeks' head exploding as their childhood dreams are fulfilled)
Argh... (Score:5)
In general, Slashdot has a tendency to post a lot of science articles without sufficient context, and when you find out what's really going on, it's just pathetic.Once again, we have a large number of Slashdotters wasting their time speculating about a short article in an online publication that doesn't even specialize in science, and doesn't have any outgoing links to more detailed information. If someone submitted something to Slashdot on a computer topic with this little context or linkage to detailed info, it would get rejected.
As far as photolithography, there are plenty of theoretical methods for making small circuits: e.g. use shorter wavelengths of light, or use mechanical methods rather than optical ones (such as dragging atoms around with a device like the stylus of an STM microscope). Adding one more theoretical method is no reason to think that Intel is actually going to build the thing tomorrow.
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Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
Re:This will never work... (Score:4)
s/speed/phase velocity/. The "Phase velocity" is not a speed, nor is it the speed of light. In the ionosphere, for example, the phase velocity of some radiation is greaterthan c. This does not mean that information is transmitted faster then the speed of light, or that particles move faster then the speed of light.
Speed by definition is a scalar quantity that cannot be negative.
No, a velocity can indeed be negative. I can start walking west and ask you, "with what velocity am I moving east?" The answer is negative.
So it is physically impossible to have a negative refractive index. This guy is a moron.
You have only shown that by your definition of a refractive index, which was wrong, there cannot be a negitive refractive index. It's not a physical argument at all, it's a mathematical argument that started with the wrong definitions.. And as such, is worthless.
If a light wave in vacuum is incident (at right angles) to a sheet of some substance, and within the substance there is a light wave travelling at some velocity (in the opposite direction) to meet the incident light wave, and Maxwell's field equations are satisfied everywhere, then the material has a negative index of refraction. There is nothing intrinsic in Maxwell's equations or any other known physical laws that would prevent this from happening.
Indices of refraction whith are less than one or negative are discussed in any decent wave mechanics text (Berkely Physics Course, Vol. 3: Waves by Crawford, for example.) The man the article describesd did not originate the idea of a negative index of refraction, as that possibility is inherent in the definition of hte index. He has only shown that if such a material exists (and as the article said, there are materials whcih have negative indices of refraction for microwaves and radio waves) then it could be put to some interesting uses. "Moron" indeed.
Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
However, what gets me about the post to which I was originally responding was the guy's insistance that "this cannot be" when items in several respected science journals had reported items with refractive indixes less than zero, and even stranger items with negative mu and/or epsilon. He obviously never asked himself, "if a material has a negative mu or epsilon, what does that imply about c in the material?"
I'm fighting off a cold right now, so I'm not running on all eight cylinders. Is c=sqrt(mu*epsilon), or is it sqrt(1/mu*epsilon)? I've been pushing bits rather than EMF for too long...
Re:Argh... (Score:2)
That's exactly my point. Using a shorter wavelength is a theoretical solution that presents severe problems in practice. There's no shortage of theoretical solutions. There's just a shortage of practical ones.
So, no, it doesn't mean Intel is going to be using it tomorrow. It does mean that Intel and IBM and others will probably put some money into reasearching the appropriate materials. Whether or not they succeed, that's for time to tell, of course.
What makes you think they'll find it worth investigating? Nobody in this whole discussion seems to have any specific information whatsoever. Without specific information, how can you predict that it would be a topic of research by corporations that fabricate chips?
--Rant mode on-- It seems like the vast majority of the factual statements I see about science on Slashdot are wrong, misleading, or based on a lack of information or a very shallow understanding of the subject. It makes me wonder whether I should trust any of the computer-related stuff on Slashdot either, since I'm not enough of an expert to detect B.S. about Linux or cryptography. --End rant mode.--
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the focal length is short (Score:1)
Anyhow, so it isn't too practical for most of the things we use lenses for, although it is still a very impressive piece of work.
Re:Argh... (Score:1)
Isn't it a QM thing????? (Score:1)
Yeah, Firestone. (Score:1)
:-)
Star Wars (SDI) (Score:1)
I wonder if this technology already was well developed in classified form when President Reagan proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative. It sounds like an idea people have been contemplating for a while.
Yes, but... (Score:2)
Optometrists out of work? (Score:1)
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Applications for chip lithography? (Score:2)
-josh
Re:"Size" of photon limit (Score:2)
Re:"Size" of photon limit (Score:3)
This is an oversimplification, though it's still useful for rough estimates.
The versions I've heard - which deal with diffraction of light when passing through an aperture - almost certainly still hold. They're as follows:
The spot size to which light may be focused in a beam converging with a given angle - and by symmetry, the smallest spot that may be accurately resolved with the same lens or mirror system - is simply the aperture size that would cause light passing through it to diffract out at the angle in question. This imposes a limit of about one wavelength to feature size (give or take).
Your lens is presumably of finite size. This means that light passing through it will have some angular spreading due to diffraction, no matter how the lens works. This will cause uncertainties in where any given photon passing through the lens came from, which makes your object look blurry with the cumulative effect of all of the photons being received. Thus, for a lens of a given size and focal length, you have a limit to the feature size you can resolve.
For most cases, the two rules work out equivalently. The only exception I can think of would be a "lens" that was a curved surface enveloping the target, and even then you'd have diffraction limits to what happened to light that passed outside the lens. This is mainly an artifact of the way I stated the above rules, as opposed to any kind of breakdown.
Now, the paper's claims. Reading the abstract posted by another user, it looks like it *just might* be legit, as opposed to a math error in the calculations somewhere. It relies on funky analysis of EM propagation in the (spatial) frequency domain, which is mostly beyond my knowledge, but *might* turn out a result like this under the right conditions. However, it's triggering all of my "it turns out this doesn't happen" alarms.
Even if the assertation is correct, you'd still have things like the aperture size problem to deal with (using a bigger device doesn't help - it or at least parts of it are farther away from the subject, and distance and angular resolution scale at the same rate).
Re:This will never work... (Score:2)
Re:Not talking about OPTICAL LENSES... (Score:4)
The GHz lens made of wires and loops would be a perfect lens because they could manage to get n = -1 as well as mu = -1. By the way, the negative index for the GHz wave is achieved by stacking wires in a certain structure that is the exact analog of photonic crystals [nec.com]. Those are also possible in the visible. Pendry [ic.ac.uk] studies those too...
Re:Applications for chip lithography? (Score:2)
If they're postulating a system at all where you can resolve images of features smaller than you should be able to, then they've solved all of the diffraction issues they need to. Though that's a big "if".
If they haven't, then this whole article is a non-issue, as there would be no way for anyone or anything to _observe_ the images of the finer features.
If we postulate that this problem is solved or is solvable, then it would indeed make a *huge* difference to lithography - a fair chunk of the expense is retooling to use new resists and other chemicals that work with the new wavelengths of light being used. Developing these chemicals is a *BIG* problem in moving to finer linewidths (though it's been done adequately so far). Magically produce optics that work with the same old wavelength of light, and you've saved a huge chunk of the R&D and fab upgrade expense.
Re:Argh... (Score:1)
Oh yeah, my computer has a brain, so it can be possesed by the devil, otherwise known as BSD. This means that priests are the best OS experts, they are the only ones who can keep away the evilness. Computer scientists are in league with Lucifer, they invented the internet & pornography, and /.ers are the high priests of darkness. You're best off out of this place, it's a wellspring of Sin.
Yahweh go with you
Re:This will never work... (Score:2)
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Go ahead, blame me... I voted for Nader!
Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
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Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
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Re:Get Your Perfect Lense Material NOW (Score:1)
Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
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Re:not so crazy (Score:1)
"Similarly, Maxwell's equations further suggest that lenses that would normally disperse electromagnetic radiation would instead focus it within this composite material. This is because Snell's law, which describes the angle of refraction caused by the change in velocity of light and other waves through lenses, water and other types of ordinary material, is expected to be exactly opposite within this composite. "
Two words : Transparent Aluminum
Re:What about Heisenberg? (Score:2)
Re:Argh... (Score:1)
Better Lenses eh? (Score:1)
Re:Better vision for tiny fonts (Score:1)
Not talking about OPTICAL LENSES... (Score:1)
Reading the article, you'll find that the lens must be made of a material with a highly unusual refractive index of -1.
NO SUCH MATERIAL IS KNOWN TO EXIST FOR VISIBLE LIGHT ENERGY.
The article is dealing with energy in the microwave frequency range. It may help you design a better MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) device, but it will not improve your vision.
Re:What about Heisenberg? (Score:1)
I mean that an image formed - whether by a lens or by any other imaging device - depends on both the location of the impinging radiation and the direction in which it is traveling. In wave terms, both amplitude and phase matter to the image, which is therefore an observation of both.
Re:What I think is... (Score:1)
Burn the retard!
Sell the retard!
Long live the aubergine!
Not an invention, a theory (Score:5)
So far, scientists at UCSD [ucsd.edu] have developed ways to use this idea to focus microwaves in an MRI machine. Although those waves are in the 1 meter range, this method allows them to be more accurately focused on smaller areas. X-rays have also been observed with this method. However, visible light has not yet, and probably won't for a while.
The reason that this method is so valuable is because it removes distortion and allows precision optics to bypass a physical limit that has been hampering us for years. We'll see how quickly chip makers and others can capitalize on this technology to make better circuits.
Better vision for tiny fonts (Score:5)
All just theory. (Score:2)
To quote the article 'no known materials have the refractive properties we need'.
it's all simply theory.. stating that IF such a material existed, we could make a perfect lens.
And applications to Moore's Law... (Score:1)
Implications for lithography? (Score:1)
Re:And applications to Moore's Law... (Score:1)
The facts (Score:5)
At present there is just the theory to make such "superlenses". No such lenses have actually been built.
In principle, superlenses can be made for most any electromagnetic radiation. In practice, finding materials with the right refractive index is going to be difficult. So far, there seem to be materials that will properly handle microwaves, radiowaves, and maybe visible light. The authors have this to say:
Re:Not quite invented (Score:2)
Oh yeah, a slight correction--the orginial post claimed visible light was in the millionths of a meter range. Roughly speaking, visible light is about 200 to 800 nanometers--a fraction of a micron, not several microns.
Re:Argh... (Score:1)
We're already dealing with nearly the shortest wavelengths that we can adequately focus using currently known lenses. To go much further will require masks machined to the same size as the chips, the development of new lens materials, or a radical new method untested in production conditions replacing photolithography.
So, no, it doesn't mean Intel is going to be using it tomorrow. It does mean that Intel and IBM and others will probably put some money into reasearching the appropriate materials. Whether or not they succeed, that's for time to tell, of course.
Get Your Perfect Lense Material NOW (Score:5)
Beer.
And they already have lenses made of beer that you can try on TODAY. All you need to do is go down to your local pub, drink a good, oh, I dunno, 7 or 8 beers (varies depending on body weight, height, experience with such lenses, etc.) and then look around. You'll notice that everything seems just a little bit clearer; not just clearer, but better. Women (or men), who you couldn't make out before because the distortion caused by normal light activity rendered them hideous, are now showing their true features: beauty, sexuality, interest in YOU.
Beer 'goggles' (as these lense instruments are affectionately known, although heavens knows why; you can't even see them) don't just make your vision clearer, either. They make everything clearer and better: thought, sexual ability, golf scores, you name it! And the great thing is, beer has been used for millenia, so you know that any potentially damaging side effects[1] have already been worked out.
So don't believe the rubbish you read in the papers. Get your perfect lenses today at your local bar or pub[2]!
[1] Some people may have adverse reactions to beer including nausea, vomiting, dehydration, a condition known as 'hangover', decreased sexual ability, loss of vocal restraint, diarrhea, and social retardation. This is not beer's fault. It's the people's fault.
[2] Beer should not be consumed by pregnant women, people with heart conditions, people on heroin, cocaine, Tylenol, or any number of other drugs, or alcoholics currently enrolled in court-ordered rehabilitation program.
Re:Not an invention, a theory (Score:1)
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Re:What about Heisenberg? (Score:2)
Forming an image (using a lens or mirror or any other electromagnetic sensor) is not just a measurment of the position of impinging photons, but also of the direction from which it came. This is where momentum - a vector quantity encompassing both mass and velocity - comes into play. Thus the uncertainty principle is in fact the source of current thinking of the fundamental limits of imaging systems.
The interesting part of the article is the possiblity of systems in which the constraints of the uncertainty principle might be relaxed
Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
Time for Hubble to get an upgade? (Score:1)
Re:What about Heisenberg? (Score:2)
Re:This will never work... (Score:1)
Furthurmore, I almost gave you an "overrated" myself, before deciding to post instead. The moderator probably used "overrated" since there is no "-1: false" moderation. Your post isn't flamebait (although some of your responses border on flamebait), nor is it a troll, it is simply wrong.
Related Developments (Score:1)
2. Near field optics. In one incarnation, the near field microscope uses a sharp AFM tip which focuses light (which is an oscillating EM field) like how a lightning rod focuses static electric fields. The resolution of this microscope is a few nanometers or perhaps sub-nanometer. This surpasses the "diffraction barrier" by better than a factor of one hundred.
If you can make it for microwaves... (Score:2)
But it DOES note that you can make something like it for microwaves - out of conductive rings and wires.
Now the only difference between microwaves and visible light is the wavelengh. Microwave plumbing tends to have segments measured in quarter wavelengths and larger - and visible light is moderately large compared to reasonably sized molecules.
So it seems to me you OUGHT to be able to make your rings and wires with nanotech. Maybe buckytubes for the wires and cyclo--ene or another buckystrucure for the rings. And as with any nanotech construct it would tend to be either perfect or massively broken.
You might get your perfect optical lenses after all - at least for one color of light at a time...
Mod this up. (Score:2)
Re:Not talking about OPTICAL LENSES... (Score:1)
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This reminds me of friction (Score:1)
Re:Eureka! I've got it! (Score:1)
URL for preprint. (Score:1)
http://www.sst.ph.ic.ac.uk/photonics/abstracts/ne
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Re:Not talking about OPTICAL LENSES... (Score:1)
"...have designed a negative-refractive-index lens for radio waves on the same principles."
"already has ideas about how to build lenses that would do the same job in the optical region."
Next time please take the time to read the whole article. They have made a "material" with a negative refractive index for portions of the microwave region and radio wave region. They are *working* on doing the same thing for the optical wavelengths of light.
Re:All just theory. (Score:2)
Read it again. Materials which have the desired properties for microwaves and radio waves already exist.
If you read the abstract of his paper here [aip.org], you will see he hypothesizes you could do this with optical light using silver.
Materials science is one of the fastest moving fields there is, I would not underestimate how fast this could change optics. And saying something is "just theory" completely denigrates how important an idea can be in changing a field.
Not quite invented (Score:2)
not so crazy (Score:3)
http://composite.about.com/industry/composite/l
Here's a key excerpt:
"Similarly, Maxwell's equations further suggest that lenses that would normally disperse electromagnetic radiation would instead focus it within this composite material. This is because Snell's law, which describes the angle of refraction caused by the change in velocity of light and other waves through lenses, water and other types of ordinary material, is expected to be exactly opposite within this composite. "
Now I'm not physicist, but this sounds like exactly what would be needed.
glasnost
Data communications applications? (Score:1)
Tiny "lenses" (Score:1)
To actually use these lenses, then, you'd have to keep the object and lens from moving toward or away from each other even a fraction of a nanometer.
If you could overcome the problems, this would be great for nanotech.
P.S. It might work with copper and gold too.
Anyone remember the NakedCam? (Score:3)
"Size" of photon limit (Score:2)
Won't work. (Score:1)
Re:Get Your Perfect Lense Material NOW (Score:1)
Eureka! I've got it! (Score:2)
I think it's called _glass_!
This could have great implications for Heisenberg (Score:1)
I'm not exactly sure, but those lenses might be used to concentrate fotons with a big wavelength, so that the beam is precise enough AND doesn't interfere!
Re:Eureka! I've got it! (Score:2)
Glass lets the light through. This substance reflects light into itself, to emerge on the other side. Not the same thing.
Re:Get Your Perfect Lense Material NOW (Score:1)
What about Heisenberg? (Score:2)