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Russian Scholar Warns Of US Climate Change Weapon 415

Posted by samzenpus
from the hurricane-cannon dept.
According to Russian political scientist, and conspiracy aficionado Andrei Areshev the high heat, and poor crop yields of Russia, and other Central Asian countries may be the result of a climate weapon created by the US military. From the article: "... Areshev voiced suspicions about the High-Frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP), funded by the US Defense Department and the University of Alaska. HAARP, which has long been the target of conspiracy theorists, analyzes the ionosphere and seeks to develop technologies to improve radio communications, surveillance, and missile detection. Areshev writes, however, that its true aim is to create new weapons of mass destruction 'in order to destabilize environmental and agricultural systems in local countries.'"
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Russian Scholar Warns Of US Climate Change Weapon

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  • Yeah (Score:5, Funny)

    by Low Ranked Craig (1327799) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:14AM (#33288810)
    But we'll stop if you pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
  • by alphatel (1450715) * on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:15AM (#33288820)
    In Russia this type of propaganda is as acceptable as Americans whole believe Obama is not a US citizen.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Or the moon landing [xkcd.com].

      (Obligatory I know, and someone else undoubtedly will beat me to it)

    • by nomadic (141991) <nomadicworld@nOSpaM.gmail.com> on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:42AM (#33289320) Homepage
      In Russia this type of propaganda is as acceptable as Americans whole believe Obama is not a US citizen.

      Of course, when someone in America believes in a crazy theory we get an avalanche of posts excoriating the American educational system for producing such a person, American culture for being so anti-intellectual, American politics, etc., which we don't seem to get when any other countries' conspiracy theorists get mentioned.
      • by DocSavage64109 (799754) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:48AM (#33289404)
        Just because they have problems too doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to fix our own problems. Though working around a bunch of people who believe in god has permanently depressed my hopes for the world.
      • by cgenman (325138) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:54AM (#33289510) Homepage

        Most people on Slashdot are in the US or Europe. Fixing Russia's educational system or culture is not our problem. People in the US and Europe who genuinely believe that hurricanes are caused by god's hatred of gay people, or that 9-11 was a conservative conspiracy to kill liberals, is our problem.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by elrous0 (869638) *
          It'll be our problem if one of those Russian whack-jobs takes over the country and decides to restart the Cold War (or, worse yet, a hot one). Whack-jobs everywhere are a problem for everyone, especially in the modern age of nuclear weapons, world wars, terrorism, etc.
          • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

            by cjb658 (1235986)

            "Senator Dole, why should people vote for you instead of President Clinton?"

            "It makes no difference which one of us you vote for. Either way, your planet is doomed. DOOMED!"

    • by N0Man74 (1620447)

      In Russia?

      Listen, I remember a show on Americans on television accusing Russia of having a weather altering device about 15 years ago (following a year we had a lot of reported weather activity. I don't recall what year or what weather events occurred, except that it was a year that many potatoes were ruined by floods in the Midwest.

    • by elrous0 (869638) *
      And it makes about as much sense. Exactly what would the U.S. have to gain from destabilizing yet another potential enemy government? We can't even handle the wars we're already in and unstable governments are the biggest threat to the U.S. in the world right now (let's see--Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, North Korea, Yemen, Somalia, should I continue?). You think we're going to risk creating yet another pissed-off unstable country in the world--one with nukes to hand out like candy, no less? There isn't enou
  • Yes, (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tablizer (95088) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:15AM (#33288824) Journal

    It's called "SUV".

    • by LWATCDR (28044)

      Actually that is also a myth. Well more of an exaggeration. Autos do contribute to CO2 production but they are not the big problem. The big problem are coal fired power plants. Yes every little bit hurts but the SUV has gotten an unfair amount of blame because it is such visible example of people choosing to waste fuel.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        no, the problem is selfish and greedy attitudes, and "but he's worse" finger pointing.
        running of suburban SUVs or subsidized coal fired power stations are both just symptoms of this.

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by CasperIV (1013029)
          Actually, coal plants are a symptom of the need for affordable power systems. We can completely sustain our existence without them, we just need a few billion people to kill themselves first, to relocate populations closer to green power systems, and remove the freewill of the populace to do anything not in the best interest of our agenda. Those who do not comply will need to be dealt with swiftly, I suggest we form an order of Grammaton Clerics to maintain the obedience of the masses. I would also reque
      • The big problem is CO2 production to the atmosphere. It doesn't matter if its a car or a plant or a human breathing that creates the CO2, we need to find more efficient ways to deal with it. For a plant, it might be storing the emissions till they can be converted into something useful (like seperating the C from the O2 to get oxygen and DIAMONDS!). And with vehicles it's making them emit less and less CO2.

        What we need is for people to look at whats emitting CO2, and reduce it, regardless of what else is em

        • by LWATCDR (28044)

          I was going to post something but the idea of making a power plant split the 0 from CO2 just about put me into a fit of laughter.
          That would be unburning the coal. And would take more power than you got from burning it in the first place.
          Please just stop at this point you almost made mr=y drink come out my noise. BTW you are emitting CO2 but I suggest that you do not stop as that would be bad.

          Really the point was that when people rant about SUVs they are looking at the spec in someone else's eye but missing

    • Re:Yes, (Score:5, Funny)

      by 2obvious4u (871996) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:36AM (#33289224)
      Damn, then the Chinese have an even better weapon. "COAL"
  • Oh, yes, HAARP.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by FooAtWFU (699187) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:15AM (#33288828) Homepage
    The one that heats the ionosphere, and has an effect on the scale of an immersion heater in the Yukon river. That HAARP. Of course it's to blame.
    • by drewhk (1744562) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:21AM (#33288944)

      What? You also have a giant immersion heater in the Yukon river?

      You American bastards!

    • by Lumpy (12016) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:47AM (#33289394) Homepage

      yes yes it is....

      you see the Russians have been trying for years to stop our agents...

      See! See my russian friends! Your failure to make big trouble for Moose and Squirrel has allowed US to create the best doomsday machine ever.

      Rocky P Squirrel is our BEST climate change scientist.. and His Moose friend is a failed Magician in disguise... He really is the money behind the brains....

      YOUR FAILURES HAVE DOOMED US ALL!

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by EdZ (755139)
      Conspiracy theorists have been haarping on about the thing for years, even blaming it for effects that occurred years before it's construction was completed!
    • by Luckyo (1726890) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @12:04PM (#33290590)

      Technically, the problem with heatwave in Russia and floods in Pakistan comes from unusual change to local jet stream, which typically separates hot and cold fronts. This ear, jet stream was a bit unusual, on one hand bringing the heat front far north to Moscow (and parts of eastern Europe), and at the same time interacted with seasonal monsoon clouds in Pakistan causing them to become larger then normal and causing floods.

      Now, if US indeed has a way to change direction of jet streams, most of the things described by conspiracy theorist are indeed possible. Problem is that energy carried by jet stream, and potentially required to significantly modify it's direction is quite immense, and would probably be detected easily even if such a feat was possible.
      This is of course, hypothetical, and if someone has a degree in meteorology with specialization in jet streams and their impact on weather patterns would be welcome to chip in. Is it hypothetically possible to affect small portions of the stream to cause a domino effect? If so, even a scale suggested by parent would be workable.

  • by Maarx (1794262) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:15AM (#33288836)

    Didn't a bunch of whackjobs a few years ago try and claim that Hurricane Katrina was the result of some Weather Control Device created by the Axis of Evil?

  • by Monkeedude1212 (1560403) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:15AM (#33288850) Journal

    We already made the unfounded claim that all natural disasters and climate related problems on the Earth are due to women dressing immodestly.

    • by Bigjeff5 (1143585)

      Don't you remember?

      There was a moderate earthquake while the scantily clad women were trying to prove that immodest dress didn't cause earthquakes.

      Pretty funny actually.

      • by TheLink (130905)

        > There was a moderate earthquake while the scantily clad women were trying to prove that immodest dress didn't cause earthquakes.

        Links please :).

        BTW, seems that killing and eating animals can cause women to become scantily clad: http://blog.peta.org/archives/nude/ [peta.org]

    • by hedwards (940851)
      What about the ones caused by homosexuality? Or does our influence only extend to terrorist attacks?
  • by Nimey (114278) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:15AM (#33288858) Homepage Journal

    Hey, do you think I can get an article posted if I post a link to a paranoid rant about Obama's birth certificate?

    • by Bigjeff5 (1143585)

      Only if you are a political scientist spreading propaganda in addition to being a wackjob conspiracy theorist.

      Then it's ok.

    • by irving47 (73147)

      No.

      But try the one about his Connecticut-issued Social Security Number.

  • Seriously, even worse than this [alexchiu.com]. But I guess that's what they get for flouridation, the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face.
    • by drewhk (1744562)

      All your precious bodily fluids belong to us.

    • by Bigjeff5 (1143585)

      Wow, I have to disagree with you, that site is amazingly ridiculous. At least HAARP is actually shooting radio waves at the upper atmosphere, which means there is at least something could fool the ignorant that the US may be messing with the weather (a basic understanding of radio waves will clear this up for you, though).

      Alexi Chiu is just downright out there. Wear this ring and take my Gorgeouspil(tm) and within one day your bones will start to restructure! You will be beautiful and immortal!

      The saddes

  • Snowglobe (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rotide (1015173) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:18AM (#33288886)
    We live in a relatively closed system. If we were trying to "heat" you up, that heat will come back around and hit our west coast. But, as with most conspiracies, it's hilarious to watch at least. Somehow people think we can come up with a grand scheme to manipulate the weather of foreign nations, put it into action, _and_ keep it quiet, yet our government can't figure out how to win a simple war and keep the documents classified during it (WikiLeaks/Afghanistan)?
    • What other nation is fighting in the war?

    • by StikyPad (445176) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @11:01AM (#33289626) Homepage

      You don't get it, man. Like, government "leaks" are just distractions to shift attention away from their true goals. But the true genius is how they make everybody believe they're incompetent! Don't you see?!? If everybody thinks the government is incompetent, then nobody's going to believe they're capable of pulling off such a HUGE conspiracy, and anyone who tries to tell the truth, like me, is labeled as a raving lunatic!

    • Somehow people think we can come up with a grand scheme to manipulate the weather of foreign nations, put it into action, _and_ keep it quiet, yet our government can't figure out how to win a simple war and keep the documents classified during it (WikiLeaks/Afghanistan)?

      Well yeah. Wars necessarily involve many thousands of people and many planners at all levels. Even if you have a genius general, their subordinates still have to make decisions, and the general is unlikely to have a complete view of the th

  • by onyxruby (118189) <.onyxruby. .at. .comcast.net.> on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:20AM (#33288932)
    If something like this makes the front page at slashdot, what's next? Roswell aliens, JFK Conspiracy theories, how about the 9/11 conspiracy saying the fed's were behind everything? Is it possible to have the slightest bit of editorial standards at this website?
    • by rotide (1015173) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:22AM (#33288968)
      The best part is.. This is great.. It's filed under "Science".. I would have chosen Idle, but Conspiracy theories are Science now and fully /. worthy.
      • The best part is.. This is great.. It's filed under "Science".. I would have chosen Idle, but Conspiracy theories are Science now and fully /. worthy.

        Actually it's filed under both science [slashdot.org] and idle [slashdot.org] so to be fair it would have been blocked if you took the time to block 'idle' in your preferences. I've probably outlined how to do that a hundred times in posts [slashdot.org] and heavily recommend it so we don't have to continually put up with discussions on why Slashdot is so craptacular. Your other option is to just stop reading it all together as I'm sure most of the people that complain don't bother to tweak the preferences options that have been there since as long

        • by rotide (1015173)
          Actually, I do block certain things, but for some reason they still get through anyways. Book reviews, aka Slashvertisements, I have those blocked, guess what though, they still show up for me. Blocking on this site has never worked for my account. So keep saying to click the block button and I'll keep verifying I have it checked yet it won't do anything.
      • Because it combines two things Slashdot seems to love: Global warming and the US being evil.

    • by gman003 (1693318)

      I thought it was funny. Maybe there should be a "Unintentional Comedy" section.

    • by Monsuco (998964)

      If something like this makes the front page at slashdot, what's next? Roswell aliens, JFK Conspiracy theories, how about the 9/11 conspiracy saying the fed's were behind everything? Is it possible to have the slightest bit of editorial standards at this website?

      Failing that, I want an article saying Roswell aliens killed JFK and caused 9/11.

  • Better targets (Score:3, Insightful)

    by KDN (3283) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:21AM (#33288942)

    If it was real you would think we would pick better targets such as:

    1. Iran
    2. North Korea
    3. Yemen
    4. Venezuela

    Oh but I guess picking bad targets must be part of the conspiracy because that would hide the conspiracy. But then, knowing that I know that they know that I know then they would pick good targets.

    • by Bigjeff5 (1143585)

      That was my thought.

      These guys need to wake up: the cold war ended decades ago, when Russia fell to pieces.

    • by Lumpy (12016)

      We tried... The origional version had only 2 settings... Good and Evil.

      we tried evil and it started targeting Washington DC..

      So the scientists redesigned it to have levels of evil and it seems that it's not a fine enough of an adjustment yet.

  • by Bishop923 (109840) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:22AM (#33288972)

    OK I'll take the bullet and get the meme out of the way so we can focus on serious-business /. discussion.

    "In Soviet Russia, Climate changes you!"

  • by Securityemo (1407943) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:23AM (#33288984) Journal
    Why don't they just stuff the civilians into some bunkers and Iron Curtain them, until the weather clears?
  • by grasshoppa (657393) <skennedy.tpno-co@org> on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:25AM (#33289038) Homepage

    One might be a "Political Scientist" in much the same way as one might be an "Honest Politician".

    • by Sockatume (732728)

      Political science is a legitimate field, the study of politics as a social phenomenon. In this instance it's completely irrelevant to the topic, suggesting they mentioned it primarily because it includes the word "science" and makes it sound like he might have more of a clue about HAARP's abilities than your average internet conspiracy theorist.

  • by dpilot (134227) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:28AM (#33289098) Homepage Journal

    Couldn't possibly happen, because the Russians have prior art on this: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker [wikimedia.org]

    The conspiracy-theories for the Russian Woodpecker were primarily mind control and weather modification.

    But then again, if they didn't patent it, maybe we could use it after all.

    Sarcasm alert - I know that citing patents and prior art against secret government weapons is silly. Sometimes the secret government weapons are, too.

  • That would be Auroral, not Aural

  • Guess the USA isn't the only one with world class conspiracy nutjobs.
  • We only come up with crude versions of a technological idea...

    The Japanese roll all of our technological breakthroughs into perfection and spread it around the world.

  • ... is the AUTOMOBILE!

    Duh duh duuunnnnnnnn!

  • And so he's suggesting that we've used this "weapon of mass destruction", which would affect global climate and therefor harm the U.S. too. On purpose. Riiight.
  • by Rob the Bold (788862) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @10:40AM (#33289270)

    Seriously, wasn't Putin saying something a few years ago that he would welcome global warming, inasmuch as Russia would benefit due to longer growing seasons, more tractable land, etc.?

    Here we go: 'Putin pointed out that "an increase of two or three degrees wouldn't be so bad for a northern country like Russia. We could spend less on fur coats, and the grain harvest would go up".' [newscientist.com]

    According to the article, there was some disagreement if this was just snarky or held a "grain" of truth.

    • by shutdown -p now (807394) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @11:46AM (#33290352) Journal

      Putin is actually quite correct. Russia is one of the few countries on that planet which would significantly benefit from global warming. Most of its populated areas are well above and away from the reach of any rising water levels, and the climate in them would only get milder. On the other hand, it would result in a lot of permafrost in Siberia thawing - some of that would end up suitable for agriculture, but even where it's not the case, it would provide for easier access to natural resources stored within.

      I suspect it might be why Russian official science organizations are very much in denial about the whole AGW thing...

  • However you feel about HAARP, Russia also has a similar program (in terms of hardware)

  • American climate weapons fits in a bit too well with:
    Dictators must have external enemies. And people in non-democracies tend to believe in conspiracies -- after all, they live in one.

    Let us hope this is a crank, or we should be sad (and scared!) about where Russia is going... :-(

    I assume it is the Russian oil's fault. Countries with too much of their export income from natural resources never become democracies, if they weren't one already. (See "Resource curse".)

  • The only way to win is not to play it
  • To me, the most amusing aspect of this conspiracy theory is that it so perfectly mirrors the conspiracy theory that Tom Bearden (www.cheniere.org) has been spouting over the years, i.e. that the Russians developed "scalar electromagnetic" weapons during the Cold War, and have been using them to create earthquakes, steer hurricanes at the U.S. (e.g. Katrina), and cause most of the unusual weather (heat waves, cold snaps, droughts, etc.) that the U.S. has experienced in the past couple of decades.

    So now I gue

  • News for Nutcases. Stuff that oh my god the evil government control rays and the zionist lion tamers with the hurting my brain Matters.

  • HAARP (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jpapon (1877296) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @11:21AM (#33289922) Journal
    I worked with HAARP for several years, including conducting several experiments at the facility itself. While it is certainly a neat piece of hardware, there's absolutely nothing sinister going on there. I tried to explain what we were doing at the facility to some of the tin-foil-hat-wearing locals, but unfortunately they didn't even want to try to understand.

    It's just a big microwave pointed at the sky. It illuminates a stream of charged particles which circle the earth at high latitude, known as the electrojets. By heating and cooling this stream of particles in the ionosphere, we were able to modulate a signal onto the electrojet (since it's conductivity is temperature dependent), turning the electrojet into a gigantic low frequency antenna. We used the signals generated to study the ionosphere and magnetosphere of the earth.

    As much as I would like to be able to claim that it can be used to control the weather, such far-fetched notions are pure fantasies, spawned from the minds of those who don't understand the physics of space plasmas. Or have any notion of what a plasma is. Or how weather patterns are created. I mean hell, we were barely able to use it to generate a coherent signal using the electrojet (already quite the feat of science). How the hell could we use it to affect the weather???

    • Re:HAARP (Score:4, Funny)

      by Syberz (1170343) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @12:01PM (#33290546) Homepage

      Yes, yes, yes... that's all very nice, but how good is it at making popcorn more efficiently?

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Matheus (586080)

      That's exactly what the conspiracy would WANT you to say...

    • As much as I would like to be able to claim that it can be used to control the weather, such far-fetched notions are pure fantasies, spawned from the minds of those who don't understand the physics of space plasmas. Or have any notion of what a plasma is. Or how weather patterns are created. I mean hell, we were barely able to use it to generate a coherent signal using the electrojet (already quite the feat of science). How the hell could we use it to affect the weather???

      Let's put on the tinfoil propeller-

  • This is actually true. We call this climate changing weapon an "automobile".
  • HAARP? (Score:4, Funny)

    by HeckRuler (1369601) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @11:32AM (#33290114)
    That's a weird spelling of SUV.
  • by nitehawk214 (222219) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @12:23PM (#33290838)

    This can be defeated by the: Guided Universal Indepednant Not Near Earth Survival System, or GUINNESS.

  • by IonOtter (629215) on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @08:49PM (#33296448) Homepage

    Go to the HAARP website, and look up the online data [alaska.edu]. Call up the Magnetometer Charts, specifically the archives.

    Look at a few of the charts, zoom in, zoom out, change the dates, play with it a bit.

    Now...

    1. Go to a "history timeline" website, one that specifically deals with major events in the last decade. This is a reasonably okay one? [mapreport.com]

    2. Go back to your magnetometer chart. Zoom in to a 2-week data range, starting 1 week before a major event, and ending 1 week after.

    3. Look at how the dataline is relatively flat. RELATIVELY flat, mind you, compared to the other data.

    4. Look at the massive spike either just before, or right AT the event. For example, look at the data for the morning of 9/11.

    5. Now look at the data for every single major security scare, national security event, or even a major natural disaster where everyone got worked up into a froth, or there were a lot of people injured or otherwise killed.

    Isnt' that interesting?

    Now then, I am NOT suggesting that HAARP was responsible for 9/11 or the Haiti earthquake. Please, don't even go there.

    What I am suggesting, is that major catastrophes have an effect on the magnetosphere, effects that can be measured.

    Now here's the $100,000.00 question?

    Exactly what is it surrounding these events that is affecting the earth's magnetosphere? Radio traffic? Cellphone traffic? Pumping up the satellite feed to overcome interference?

    Some have suggested that human emotions are responsible. That's a bit of a reach, though. Isn't it?

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