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XM and Sirius Merger? 197

Posted by samzenpus
from the one-satellite-is-enough dept.
chipset writes "Well, it seems Sirius and XM are in talks again. This story from FoxNews indicates they are in merger discussions and want to expand their reach into all communications from space. This includes Cell, Music, and TV. I would love to see something like this take place. Give DirecTV and DishNetwork a little competition."
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XM and Sirius Merger?

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  • by sulli (195030) * on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:17PM (#11487258) Journal
    By reducing competition in satellite radio? No thanks.
  • Uh, no (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:18PM (#11487264)
    Sirius CEO says no merger. [billboardr...onitor.com]
    • Thank you for replying just when I pressed Back on my browser.

      I would have ranted on about how I couldn't afford sat-radio before the merger--but now I just have new reason to hate Fox News. They like to report on rumors, or sensationally (especially their 10-o'clock news in New York [fox5ny.com]--it's hard to tell from the site though), or (worse) both.

      We (I at least) need more competition, not less. I'm glad they won't merge.

    • Re:Uh, no (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Dutchmaan (442553)
      ..and Bungie said there was no deal with Microsoft days before they were bought out. Point being, you cannot trust business press releases..EVER.. they have no obligation to tell you the truth and they may very well be under some form of NDA...
    • That's right ... given Sirius's financial state, millions owed to Stern ... and low subscriber base ... it'd likely be a takeover ... not a merger.
    • And you believe him? Read his quote carefully...

      "I have not met with the [XM] chair or the CEO, so I have no idea where this has come from," he said during his firm's Wednesday morning (1/26) earnings conference call.

      What he actually said was that he has not met with the XM CEO, which says absolutely nothing about any merger or merger talks since their lawyers may be meeting. It also simply says he doesn't know what the source of the leak was. Again, this does NOT say anything about a merger, pro or
  • I hope they don't get rid of any of the superior Sirius programming. We don't need another merger like G4/TechTV (though I know, its not to that extreme).
  • dupe! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by syukton (256348) * on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:19PM (#11487276)
    The thing I find funny is that the exact same story was submitted yesterday.
    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl ?sid=05/01/2 6/2319240&tid=91&tid=14

    I mean it's the exact same story.

    The link in the blurb is the same.
    The blurb itself is the same.
    The submitter is the same.
    EVEN THE POSTER IS THE SAME.

    Last time it was in "digital" and "science" and this time it's in the same sections (which are, relatedly, a totally wrong categorization, for which samzenpus should be flogged with a bundle of cat5 ethernet cables)

    I emailed daddypants@slashdot.org about this, to no avail; the dupe got posted anyhow.
    • Re:dupe! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by rdwald (831442) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:23PM (#11487323)
      Actually, in addition to the similarities you noted, both stories were posted at the exact same time. Literally the only difference is the date. This makes me wonder if there wasn't some sort of software error that somehow duplicated the post. Either that, or samzenpus decided to make the most dupeful dupe in the history of /.
    • Sweet. I hope this is a trend. I'm going to sit at my computer all day tomorrow and tick off the seconds until I get a shot at being the first to make some witty comment about Bill Gates' Lexus, maybe crap on the cost of Mac upgrades, and maybe, just maybe, I can be quick enough to get first post on day 3 of the XM / Sirius merger rumor.
    • There's also some weird stuff going on with the comments [slashdot.org] in the previous posting of this story. Maybe they reposted the article so people would have a chance to comment? Either that, or there's some weird slashcode bug causing both the missing comments and the reposting.
    • What would be even funnier is if the comments were the same too.
    • .. they put up dupe stories, but rejected one that was submitted about the US Copyright Office actually requesting comments from the public about what to do with stuff like abandonware. With all of the copyright talk that goes on around here, one would think that an article about possible HUGE copyright change would get posted. But no, the article about the history of the space suit and then this dupe beat it out.

      Article was mirrored in its entirety here [pbp.net]
  • by kosmicki (770049)
    I just hope they take over XM's price.
  • by uncoveror (570620) <<moc.rorevocnu> <ta> <retsambew>> on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:19PM (#11487286) Homepage
    XM and their lone competitor merging? You can't be Sirius!
  • by The Pi-Guy (529892) <joshua+slashdot@NosPAm.joshuawise.com> on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:19PM (#11487288) Homepage
    Because everybody's VAX needs satellite radio for that high-quality audio sound! :)
    joshua
  • Not true says Mel! (Score:3, Informative)

    by Stubtify (610318) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:20PM (#11487296)
    http://www.forbes.com/2005/01/26/0126autofacescan0 4.html all the lovely details on the official response to this merger. The story broke this morning and not an hour later Mel Karmazin (Sirius CEO) had a response out. Its up to you to decide if that's spin control or the truth.
  • "I would love to see something like this take place"

    You've got to be kidding me. We need competition in this market, to drive down prices and increase the quality of service. Plus, with Sirius you get a no-ClearChannel service. Can't say the same about XM.

    • Re:Huh? (Score:3, Informative)

      by jerw134 (409531)
      Actually, ClearChannel sold off their entire share of XM a while ago.
    • by ad0gg (594412)
      There's a reason why the FCC created two broadcast frequencies for sat radio. If Sirius wants to merge, I say allow them to but they can't bring over their frequency but allowed to auction off instead.

      BTW, clearchannel only owns about a 2% stake in XM, I dont' even think they have representative on the board now. Considering clearchannel has been trying to get XM to drop their localized weather and traffic channels, they have very little control over XM.

      Clear water complains to FCC about XM and Sirius [slashdot.org]

  • That way for 1 fee:

    Howard Stern
    Opie & Anthony

    awesome!
  • Really? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:20PM (#11487300)
    I flipped past Fox News just a few minutes ago and they reported that the president of XM had no idea where this story came from.
  • Rumor Denied (Score:5, Informative)

    by spin2cool (651536) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:21PM (#11487305)
    Yep - the denial was reported earlier today on several sources:
    br / http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news /business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_ id=1000777229
  • It would be worse than say, oh HP and Compaq merging. Less competition is a very bad thing
  • I can understand wanting to encourage competition, but DirecTV and Dish already have some stiff competition from Cable. I really don't see this fundamentally changing that landscape. What does change though is that you would only have one provider of sattelite radio. In the end, I think there's a net negative effect on competition if this were to go through.

    The one thing that I think would be really cool, but I'm not sure of the feasability of, would be to eliminate the need for a perfectly aimed dish

    • I think Dish'd competition is themselves. They keep saying "swith to us, because cable rates are constantlyrising", but then, every year, I've gotten a $2 or $3 increase letter from them.

      "We're adding a bunch of shitty channels that you don't want, and so you'll be paying us more money again this year. Enjoy not being able to just keep what you have - here's a free pay-per-view movie coupon, valued at almost $2."
  • Mel Karmazin characterized a New York Post report of a potential XM-Sirius merger as the "third rumor" he has had to deal with in his first eight weeks as Sirius CEO. "I have not met with the [XM] chair or the CEO, so I have no idea where this has come from," he said during his firm's Wednesday morning (1/26) earnings conference call. Commenting later in the call on a question about potential antitrust restrictions for such a merger, Karmazin said he would never try to predict what the government would or
  • by zobier (585066)
    WTF? [slashdot.org]
  • by Jozer99 (693146) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:33PM (#11487412)
    Why the DEC logo?
    • by kalidasa (577403) * on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:35PM (#11487434) Journal
      I'm guessing that the category is marked "digital" in the submission interface, and the submitter is too young to remember DEC and thinks the category is for digital lifestyle devices.
      • Re:Why the DEC logo? (Score:5, Informative)

        by tverbeek (457094) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:54PM (#11487618) Homepage
        {sigh} Last summer I had to explain this to my new 24-year-old coworker, who thought it was funny that one of our computer labs was full of old computers that bragged (with the above logo) about being "digital", as if that was some kind of fancy feature or something. The first computer I ever logged into was a PDP, I got most of my formal CS education using VAXen, and I even went to DECUS back in the early 90's, so it was a bit painful having to explain to him what DEC was, and that it was founded back when "digital equipment" was something pretty fancy.
        • I loved Digital's VT terminals. I've still got three, but none of the last few machines I've bought have RS-232 ports to connect them. Sad...

          - Tim Fraser
          • Coincidentally, I learned a few weeks later from an older coworker that he'd once worked for DEC, and had done the case design for... of all things... the VT-100, a device which - as much as the $ prompt - was central to my computing experience in college. He seemed pleased to hear that... but less than thrilled about what it implied about his age. :)
        • A sweet young thing arrives for an interview as a temp at Decpark in Reading, UK. She no doubt passes the large corporate logo at the entrance saying "Digital". After being asked the usual questions about her skills (i.e., being pretty), she is asked:

          Do you now what we do here?

          Well, you make watches, don't you?

          Many of the engineers there were extremly upset that the company had so many good things, which were then being marketed so badly. This really ground the whole thing in.

        • This 24-year-old would have gone "oooooh" and dashed into the lab to check out the DECs. I've had a little experience with DECs being used as servers for a few things at a previous job (I was an admin/network analyst/tech) and the bloody things ran like tanks until the hardware finally started to fail.
  • What Should Happen (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tobes (302057) <tobypadilla@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @09:34PM (#11487420) Homepage
    While this is pretty unfounded, it does open the door to further speculation. My personal choice (if I were CEO of XM or Sirius) would be to acquire Real and merge my subscriber base with the Rhapsody subscribers. One account and you can stream Rhapsody to your computer or sat radio to your reciever. Personally, I'd subscribe to such a service.
  • It's a good thing the merger rumour was just that because if it were true the new company would probably be named Sirius-XM. Serious sex, mmm... Now imagine a merger of the new company with SK-Earthlink... Ask a earthling: serious sex, mmm? I suspect alien involvement...
  • I seriously doubt their satellites are equipped to broadcast video, or anything other than satellite radio for that matter.
  • ... Xirius.

    No, xeriously!

  • "George Bush is the bestest president since JESUS!"

    Stay tuned...
  • by interstellar_donkey (200782) <pathighgate@hotmail . c om> on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @10:01PM (#11487678) Homepage Journal
    I really hope something like this doesn't happen.

    I have Sirius, and I'm pleased as punch with it. I can't see how merging with XM (if the story is, in fact, true) would make things any better.

    Sirius has some great stations with good DJs. The bigger you make the company, the more whitewashed it becomes. I don't know what XM is all about, but people who have it tell me they like it. That's fine. But a little compitition never hurt anyone. Monopolies, on the other hand, usually don't work, espically with something as subjective as music.

    • I got Sirius back when XM still had commercials, that was the deciding factor. I had a rental car last week with XM and had a lot of time to check it out. It sucks compared to Sirius. XM repeats songs much more, and they aren't really very good songs.

      Sirius plays a lot of stuff that no ClearChannel stations will play. XM is basically just repackaged ClearChannel music. Sirius plays a lot of Top 100 stuff, but there's a very appreciable amount of stuff I've never heard of before and is just simply amaz
  • I would love to see something like this take place.

    I think most current XM and Serius customers who already think they're paying enough money would disagree.

    I think Microsoft and God should merge - that way, you wouldn't have to worry about where you go when you die.

  • Compete with Dish? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MrZaius (321037) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @11:07PM (#11488123) Homepage
    I don't know what the relationship is, exactly, but Dish Network already rebroadcasts/picks up the Sirius radio stations. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

    See:
    http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/program ming/sir ius/index.shtml
  • by sdo1 (213835) on Wednesday January 26, 2005 @11:43PM (#11488437) Journal
    Having had XM for a few months, I can not even begin to tell how absolutely sucky broadcast radio is. I know you think you know that it sucks. I thought so to. But I just didn't realize how horrid it had become until I had a wealth of listening options in my car. Just the thought of yet another inane "radio personality" (I refuse to use the term DJ... they're not) screaching at me makes me shutter. And if I have to go somewhere in my wife's car (sans XM)... ugh.

    As far as a merger... well, I must admit that I'm a bit miffed with their exclusive sports contracts right now. XM has (or will have) Major League Baseball and Sirius has (or will have) NFL. I'd love to have both, but not if I have to get two sets of equipment and pay two subscription charges.

    I think most of the rest of the programming (Stern and company excluded) is mostly duplicated between the two. The music selections are very similar as is much of the other programming.

    Right now, I think they need to grow the subscriber base and I don't know as if the competition between XM and Sirius helps matters. I've heard a lot of people say that they're waiting to see which one survives before jumping on board. That's not a good thing for the long term viability of either one. In the long run, I think a merger would be helpful. They're competing against the status quo and against "free" broadcast radio. That alone should keep rates down. I don't think the XM vs. Sirius competition really means as much.

    -S
    • That's an interesting thought, actually. My kneejerk reaction to this story was that regulators would never let such a deal go through (assuming that they were actually pondering such a move), but now that you mention it, this may be one case where competition (at least of this magnitude) is bad for the consumer.

      Specifically, as you've mentioned, XM and Sirius have already split up two entire major sports leagues (MLB on XM, and NFL on Sirius). This sort of exclusive contract bidding limits the listener'
    • Just the thought of yet another inane "radio personality" (I refuse to use the term DJ... they're not) screaching at me makes me shutter.

      Wait... you think "disc jockey" is more of a honor to them than saying that they are/have "personalities?"
  • but what does this have to do with DEC?
  • Are you insane? Big corporate behemoths merging together never results in competition. The elephants are mating, and customers are the grass.

  • by rfc1394 (155777) <Paul@paul-robinson.us> on Thursday January 27, 2005 @12:47AM (#11488962) Homepage Journal
    In addition to running a series of about 60 music channels of their own, Dish Network carries about 68 from Sirius Satellite Network as well. So even if XM and Sirius do merge, Dish Network would still probably carry their channels as well. As long as they don't provide a video service, neither XM nor Sirius is truly any kind of competitor to Dish Network or DirectTV. As Dish Network has realized, an audio service can be a compliment to their offerings, not a competitor. An audio-only service is not a competitor to a video service. Dish Network, DirectTV and your local cable TV franchise are competitors, but XM and Sirius are not.
  • What on earth does a potential commercial transaction between two companies specializing in transmission of audio entertainment through satellites have to do with science ????

    This has nothing to do with science; the collection of empirical data and experimental analysis to derive a physical truth. Its not a merger between two science research centers or science periodicals. It doesn't affect transmission of data between science research centers. It doesn't even affect scientific research funding. This

    • You said it in your first sentence. Satellites. Satellites are in space, right? And what could be more scientific than space. It's like science fiction, but without the fiction, right? Isn't that science? Spaceships and stuff?
      • Satellites. Satellites are in space, right? And what could be more scientific than space.

        That depends. Computers. Computers are used in space, right? Then almost all /. stories should be in science then, right?

        It's like science fiction, but without the fiction, right? Isn't that science? Spaceships and stuff

        Oh, now I get it. A satellite is a form of spaceship, except its doesn't convey anything in space. Spaceships are science fiction, so by linguistic reduction, that makes it science . How

  • This is the same poster that let about a half-dozen duplicate posts go up late at night a couple of weeks back. No surprise that he's reposting his own stories as dupes now.

    My question is, is this someone who is just really bad as his job, or a password that got out?

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