Artemis II Astronauts Pass 100,000 Miles From Earth On Voyage To the Moon 80
The Artemis II crew has passed 100,000 miles from Earth and is now on a "free-return" path around the moon after a successful "translunar" injection burn. "Ladies and gentlemen, I am so, so excited to be able to tell you that for the first time since 1972 during Apollo 17, human beings have left Earth orbit," NASA's Dr Lori Glaze told a news conference. The Guardian reports: The astronauts -- the Americans Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover and Christina Koch, and a Canadian, Jeremy Hansen -- spent their first day in space performing checks on the spacecraft, which had never carried humans before. Later they had time to speak to US TV networks. "I've got to tell you, there is nothing normal about this," Wiseman told ABC News from the cramped interior of the capsule. "Sending four humans 250,000 miles away is a herculean effort, and we are now just realising the gravity of that."
Orion will travel about 4,000 miles (6,400km) beyond the moon before turning back, providing unprecedented and illuminated views of the lunar far side. If all proceeds smoothly, the astronauts will set a record by venturing farther from Earth than any human before -- more than 250,000 miles. The mission is part of a longer-term plan to repeatedly return to the moon, with the aim of establishing a permanent base that will offer a platform for further exploration. After the final engine burn, NASA said Wiseman took two "spectacular" images of Earth.
The first photo, called Hello, World, "shows the vast expanse of blue that is the Atlantic Ocean, framed by a thin glow of the atmosphere as the Earth eclipses the Sun and green auroras at either pole," reports the BBC. Another photo shows the view of Earth from inside the Orion spacecraft.
Orion will travel about 4,000 miles (6,400km) beyond the moon before turning back, providing unprecedented and illuminated views of the lunar far side. If all proceeds smoothly, the astronauts will set a record by venturing farther from Earth than any human before -- more than 250,000 miles. The mission is part of a longer-term plan to repeatedly return to the moon, with the aim of establishing a permanent base that will offer a platform for further exploration. After the final engine burn, NASA said Wiseman took two "spectacular" images of Earth.
The first photo, called Hello, World, "shows the vast expanse of blue that is the Atlantic Ocean, framed by a thin glow of the atmosphere as the Earth eclipses the Sun and green auroras at either pole," reports the BBC. Another photo shows the view of Earth from inside the Orion spacecraft.
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Re:Thanks for the Hi-res images, NASA (Score:4, Informative)
There's always someone to bitch over something so trivially insignificant.
Socialism (Score:1, Troll)
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The government wimped out and pulled funding repeatedly on re-usable launch systems even ones that were showing success.
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The government wimped out and pulled funding repeatedly on re-usable launch systems even ones that were showing success.
Your assignment: Find out why reusable rockets are only useable for very specific launch envelopes. If you use them out of that launch envelope, there are just as disposable as the rockets you think are some sort of complete waste. You are a really smart guy seems like you could teach us all about this stuff.
Reusable rockets-- (Score:2)
Your assignment: Find out why reusable rockets are only useable for very specific launch envelopes. If you use them out of that launch envelope, there are just as disposable as the rockets you think are some sort of complete waste.
Interesting. I've never seen this claim made before; do you have a reference?
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Your assignment: Find out why reusable rockets are only useable for very specific launch envelopes. If you use them out of that launch envelope, there are just as disposable as the rockets you think are some sort of complete waste.
Interesting. I've never seen this claim made before; do you have a reference?
https://www.teslarati.com/spac... [teslarati.com] Forgive the link, it is a real rah-rah piece.
CEO Elon Musk says SpaceX has successfully expanded the envelope of orbital-class rocket recovery with its 50th booster landing, meaning that all Falcon boosters will have a better chance of safely returning to Earth from now on.
https://space-offshore.com/boo... [space-offshore.com] "Falcon 9 missions may need to land on a droneship instead of RTLS due to the weight of the payload or the overall mission profile." I think you have academic acces
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Your assignment: Find out why reusable rockets are only useable for very specific launch envelopes. If you use them out of that launch envelope, there are just as disposable as the rockets you think are some sort of complete waste.
Interesting. I've never seen this claim made before; do you have a reference?
https://www.teslarati.com/spac... [teslarati.com] Forgive the link, it is a real rah-rah piece.
CEO Elon Musk says SpaceX has successfully expanded the envelope of orbital-class rocket recovery with its 50th booster landing, meaning that all Falcon boosters will have a better chance of safely returning to Earth from now on.
https://space-offshore.com/boo... [space-offshore.com]
"Falcon 9 missions may need to land on a droneship instead of RTLS due to the weight of the payload or the overall mission profile."
I think you have academic access. Here is a good technical report on a lot of rockets that land after use. https://www.sciencedirect.com/... [sciencedirect.com]. You'll need academic credentials to download it. But it has a lot more info - and as part of the launch envelopes, there is constraint based on payload as well as direction. If you are going to land, there is a significant reduction in payload.
Looks interesting, I'll take a look when I get back in to work.
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Yeah, it was cool watching those four $146,000,000/each RS-25 engines return to the landing pad. Stupid capitalists.
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Yeah, it was cool watching those four $146,000,000/each RS-25 engines return to the landing pad. Stupid capitalists.
A lot of people have a lot of trouble understanding that returning a first stage to the launch site puts a huge constraint on where in orbit you can place that rocket's payload.
You can add a bit of flexibility if you return a rocket to a barge in the ocean - but not much. And when you use a barge, you are eating hard into whatever savings there are in capture and refurb.
The first stage has to have enough fuel to make it back to the landing pad or barge. If the launch envelope takes it out of that range
Re: Socialism (Score:3)
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A lot of people have a lot of trouble understanding
There is nothing about such a mission that mandates obsolete, 2x order of magnitude money torching. Please stop it with your commie shilling.
It doesn't really matter in the long run. Sooner or later the US with elect another (D) president and the teacher's union and/or some other pressure group will once again cut NASA's space program and take the money. After than, NASA or whomever will be forced to adopt cost effective solutions.
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A lot of people have a lot of trouble understanding
There is nothing about such a mission that mandates obsolete, 2x order of magnitude money torching. Please stop it with your commie shilling.
It doesn't really matter in the long run. Sooner or later the US with elect another (D) president and the teacher's union and/or some other pressure group will once again cut NASA's space program and take the money. After than, NASA or whomever will be forced to adopt cost effective solutions.
All you do is show your level of ignorance. I've posted nought but facts, and you act like the special child screaming "Neener neener, neener I can't hear youuuuuu!" While holding his hands over his ears. If you cannot understand a launch envelope, and why Spacex even has expendable missions, well there ya go!
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What illuminates the far side of the moon? (Score:4, Interesting)
What illuminates the far side of the moon? It is full moon now, so the far side is the dark side.
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The ass side of the Sun. Happy? You wanted the answer.
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Hoaxer commentary? (Score:2)
Anyone have any good commentary from flat earthers and moon landing deniers on this? I'm in need of some laughs.
Wrong timestamp (Score:2)
Fun fact, the first picture in here has a wrong timestamp, dated April 2nd 2016...
https://www.nasa.gov/image-det... [nasa.gov]
Are they manually typing those fields? ...
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It's a Nikon F5.
Guess we now know why you keep whining here: you think you're a special tech genius because you know how to set the time on a camera.
Why does my taxpaying wallet have a feeling someone at NASA wearing a badge titled "Space Camera Technician" (AKA one-fucking-job), is quietly sweating in a corner somewhere, hoping they also didn't forget to format that memory card after borrowing it to play patty-cake on St. Patty's Patty..
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Fun fact, the first picture in here has a wrong timestamp, dated April 2nd 2016... https://www.nasa.gov/image-det... [nasa.gov]
Probably the metadata is in UTC, and they forgot to convert it for Americans.
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Why does it take 4 days? (Score:2)
I've read that the spacecraft is now travelling at 24,500 mph. Given the moon is ~250K miles away even my bad maths can figure out thats approx 10 hours travel time so why are they quoting a 4 day trip to get there?
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I think 24,500 MPH is the peak speed for this mission, not the speed it is traveling now.
Its still going uphill. Earth has a fairly large gravity well.
Re:Why does it take 4 days? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Why does it take 4 days? (Score:5, Funny)
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At this exact moment, their speed is about 2,700 mph, and they are slowing down.
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/... [nasa.gov]
Escape velocity means the Earth's gravity will not pull them all the way back. It does not mean that Earth's gravity will have no effect.
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Calling up Kubrick's ghost is not easy.
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Re: Why does it take 4 days? (Score:3)
Partly because physics is annoying. The moon is circling the earth and the astronauts are on an ellipse around the earth, but because of physics, you cannot just point your spacecraft towards another orbiting body and accelerate towards it.
Have a look at the early attempts to dock two spacecraft.
Teal deer; they are not doing 24000 mph directly towards the moon
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Current spacecraft velocity relative to earth is 3697 kph according to the latest spacecraft status display.
Is the bottle half full or half empty? (Score:1)
But,
There is absolutely nothing exceptional here: This has been already achieved almost 60 years ago, with much, mu
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But, There is absolutely nothing exceptional here: This has been already achieved almost 60 years ago, with much, much less technology available.
This gets brought up fairly often. And yes, we did it before. Why do it all again?
The learning curve is why. I can't imagine there is anyone from the Apollo project left at NASA. So a whole new group of people have to learn how to make things work. All those people sitting at their consoles are learning, re-learning after a fashion, what the Engineers learned in the 1960's.
It's all good!
Hello world, do we see the ISS? (Score:1)
It reminds me a little bit the ISS.
Could it be the ISS or just some reflection, or something completely different?
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The other photo is showing it too.
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The sun is behind Earth. The "dark" side of Earth is lit by moonglow and photographed with a large f-stop. I'm assuming that the light in the center is a reflection from inside the capsule. It may not have been apparent to the photographer, but a camera with wide-open aperture can pick up stuff that the eye can't see.
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But I try to forget this and focus on the dream that was born almost 60 years ago, and that is coming back now with the hope it will go further.
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> "Sending four humans 250,000 miles away is a herculean effort, and we are now just realising the gravity of that."
As a kid I remember watching grainy images of Neil Armstrong et al bouncing around on the moon. How did that happen? Teleport much?
"have left Earth orbit" ?! (Score:2)
"Ladies and gentlemen, I am so, so excited to be able to tell you that for the first time since 1972 during Apollo 17, human beings have left Earth orbit," NASA's Dr Lori Glaze
I can expect some random science reporter to make this mistake, but bugger me, a senior NASA executive?
It shows politics are far more important than any knowledge of science at NASA today.
Not only is Orion not leaving Earth Orbit (where the fuck do they think the moon is?) , it is not even entering lunar orbit. Orion's apogee has been pushed up for one orbit, but it's perigee is right down here.
There is one spaceship that really did leave Earth orbit, the lunar module "Snoopy" from Apollo 10:
https://en.w [wikipedia.org]
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They are not in an orbit around the Earth; they exceeded the escape velocity [wikipedia.org].
They will be using the Moon's gravity to change direction, and the Earth's atmosphere to slow down. If they were to miss either of those targets, they would not continue to go around the Earth.
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they exceeded the escape velocity [wikipedia.org].
They will be using the Moon's gravity to change direction,
This is plausible, but the first I've heard of it. Citation? Normal TLI is not far short of escape velocity. A bit like Starship being not quite LEO.
My sources said if not for the gravity assist they would go past, and take a few more days to return to earth.
Though I'd still quibble than in a 3-body sense, they are not leaving orbit. We'll need to wait for a Mars Mission for that.
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"NASA's Artemis II mission stopped circling Earth"
"After the spacecraft leaves Earth's gravity, there's no way back but to swing around the moon as planned."
https://www.livescience.com/sp... [livescience.com]
Couple days ago I came across an article with some specific numbers; I'll post it if I re-find it.
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The S-IVB stages from Apollo 8, 10, 11, and 12 (sorta [wikipedia.org]) are in heliocentric orbits, along with the Tesla Roadster launched by SpaceX [wikipedia.org].
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The S-IVB stages from Apollo 8, 10, 11, and 12 (sorta [wikipedia.org]) are in heliocentric orbits, along with the Tesla Roadster launched by SpaceX [wikipedia.org].
Well, by "spaceship" I meant designed for human occupancy, so excluding all the science probes, including those that have left solar orbit. :-) So long and thanks for all the fish.
I guess I should have counted the Tesla
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As maladroit mentions there are more human made items that left earth's orbit but they still circle the sun.
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"Ladies and gentlemen, I am so, so excited to be able to tell you that for the first time since 1972 during Apollo 17, human beings have left Earth orbit," NASA's Dr Lori Glaze
I can expect some random science reporter to make this mistake, but bugger me, a senior NASA executive? It shows politics are far more important than any knowledge of science at NASA today.
Not only is Orion not leaving Earth Orbit (where the fuck do they think the moon is?) , it is not even entering lunar orbit. Orion's apogee has been pushed up for one orbit, but it's perigee is right down here.
Because Orbital mechanics is pretty difficult for most to grok. She does have bona fides, Doctorate in Environmental Science and Masters in Physics.
So I'm pretty certain that she well knows that Orion is still in orbit around the earth.
But just think about it. We have people in here who think that not re-using a rocket is some sort of crime, not thinking how that first stage can only return if it is close enough to the launch site. That if you want to go to the moon or a planet, you just point your Roc
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Orion is still in orbit around the earth.
Citation needed.
OTOH:
"NASA's Artemis II mission stopped circling Earth"
"After the spacecraft leaves Earth's gravity, there's no way back but to swing around the moon as planned."
https://www.livescience.com/sp... [livescience.com]
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
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We have people in here who think that not re-using a rocket is some sort of crime,
I have to stop you there. The RS-25 rockets on the SLS were indeed being re-used, after they flew on the Shuttle. They were designed for re-use, and incredibly expensive. So it is something of a "crime" to dump them in the ocean. But yes, NASA's attempts to save money by re-using the Shuttle orbiter and boosters were ultimately a failure.
The billions spent on the SLS program since the end of the shuttle program have an opportunity cost. And it was apparent a while back that the SLS was a dead end, and
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Pardon? Have you not seen the barge landings?
There are many aspects of a flight profile. Some are based on where you put the payload when it is in orbit. Others are the weight of the payload. As an example, 9's Payload for a GTO orbit is 5.5t when recovered on barge, and 8.3t for an expended mission. LEO orbit, 17.5 t if recovered, 22.8t expendable.
Just because some flight profiles can land at a pad or on a barge, does not mean that this happens in all cases.
References from paper :
A Survey of Launch Vehicle Recovery Techniques
Shraddha C.
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Miles? Miles per Hour? Nasa? (Score:2)
I thought that Nasa standardised on SI units...
I hope that they didn't mix miles and Kilometer calculation, otherwise it will be a one way ticket...
Which one is Major Tom? (Score:2)
Does the spaceship know which way to go?
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The biggest winner (Score:3)
SpaceX
If I worked at SpaceX I would be cheering every minute of this. Science and technical issues aside the Artemis mission proved that there is political and social interest in such an endeavor to the extent that it gets funded to the ludicrous scale this one did.
They proved there is a market.
So if you come up with a usable vehicle system at 1/10th the operational cost of what people are actually paying for that is as close to a guaranteed win in a business plan it is possible to get. I wish I had stock in that company.
Miles? (Score:2)
Most expensive.... (Score:2)
According to the Guinness Book Of Records, the Artemis II flight is the most expensive game of Hide and Seek in Solar System history! :D
diversity (Score:5, Funny)
Based on the diversity identity of the crew reflecting that of the US, we can infer that:
1. 25% of the US is female.
2. 25% of the US is black.
3. 67% of the US is white
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4. 25% of the US is Canadian.
Re: diversity (Score:5, Interesting)
The zone where integer math crosses with the tyranny of small numbers.
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Honestly, that's a pretty good spread for a small crew. And is much higher than any other population sample you could take. It only happened because these things are planned out so far in advance, that Trump's anti-DEI couldn't have taken effect without delaying it for at least a couple more years.
And the moon is not an easy feat - if you want a rough idea of scale, put a half inch sized circle on one of your wrists, Then put a dot on the other wrist. Then stretch your arms wide and you have a near scale re
Unexpected speed figures (Score:2)