'Fossil' Discovered Beyond Pluto Implies 'Something Dramatic' Happened 400M Years Ago (space.com) 36
"The distant reaches of the Solar System are still mysterious," writes ScienceAlert. "Not much sunlight pierces these regions, and there are strong hints that undiscovered objects lurk there. The objects that astronomers have discovered in these dim reaches are primordial, and their orbits suggest the presence of more undiscovered objects."
And now thanks to the giant 8.2-meter Subaru telescope at Hawaii's Mauna Kea Observatory, astronomers have discovered "a massive new solar system body located beyond the orbit of Pluto," reports Space.com. The weird elongated orbit of the object suggests that if "Planet Nine" exists, it is much further from the sun than thought, or it has been ejected from our planetary system altogether.
The strange orbit of the object, designated 2023 KQ14 and nicknamed "Ammonite," classifies it as a "sednoid." Sednoids are bodies beyond the orbit of the ice giant Neptune, known as trans-Neptunian objects (TNOs), characterized by a highly eccentric (non-circular) orbit and a distant closest approach to the sun or "perihelion." The closest distance that 2023 KQ14 ever comes to our star is equivalent to 71 times the distance between Earth and the sun... This is just the fourth known sednoid, and its orbit is currently different from that of its siblings, though it seems to have been stable for 4.5 billion years.
However, the team behind the discovery, made using Subaru Telescope as part of the Formation of the Outer Solar System: An Icy Legacy (FOSSIL) survey, thinks that all four sednoids were on similar orbits around 4.2 billion years ago. That implies something dramatic happened out at the edge of the solar system around 400 million years after its birth. Not only does the fact that 2023 KQ14 now follows a unique orbit suggest that the outer solar system is more complex and varied than previously thought, but it also places limits on a hypothetical "Planet Nine" theorized to lurk at the edge of the solar system.
There's "no viable transfer mechanisms" to explain the observed orbits "with the current configuration of planets," according to the team's recently-published paper. But since those orbits are stable, it "suggests that an external gravitational influence beyond those of the currently known Solar System planets is required to form their orbits." So where does that leave us? ScienceAlert summarizes the rest of the paper — and where things stand now: Astronomers have proposed many sources for this external gravitational influence, including interactions with a rogue planet or star, ancient stellar interactions from when the Sun was still in its natal cluster, and the capture of objects from other lower-mass stars in the Solar System's early times. But the explanation that gets the most attention is interactions with a hypothetical planet, Planet Nine.
If Planet Nine exists, it has a huge area to hide in. Some astronomers who have studied its potential existence think it could be the fifth largest planet in the Solar System. It would be so far away that it would be extremely dim. However, we may be on the cusp of detecting it, if it exists. The Vera Rubin Observatory recently saw first light and will begin its decade-long Legacy Survey of Space and Time (LSST). The LSST will find transient events and objects in the Solar System like no other telescope before it. It's purpose-built to find hard-to-detect objects, and not even an elusive object like Planet Nine may be able to hide from it.
And now thanks to the giant 8.2-meter Subaru telescope at Hawaii's Mauna Kea Observatory, astronomers have discovered "a massive new solar system body located beyond the orbit of Pluto," reports Space.com. The weird elongated orbit of the object suggests that if "Planet Nine" exists, it is much further from the sun than thought, or it has been ejected from our planetary system altogether.
The strange orbit of the object, designated 2023 KQ14 and nicknamed "Ammonite," classifies it as a "sednoid." Sednoids are bodies beyond the orbit of the ice giant Neptune, known as trans-Neptunian objects (TNOs), characterized by a highly eccentric (non-circular) orbit and a distant closest approach to the sun or "perihelion." The closest distance that 2023 KQ14 ever comes to our star is equivalent to 71 times the distance between Earth and the sun... This is just the fourth known sednoid, and its orbit is currently different from that of its siblings, though it seems to have been stable for 4.5 billion years.
However, the team behind the discovery, made using Subaru Telescope as part of the Formation of the Outer Solar System: An Icy Legacy (FOSSIL) survey, thinks that all four sednoids were on similar orbits around 4.2 billion years ago. That implies something dramatic happened out at the edge of the solar system around 400 million years after its birth. Not only does the fact that 2023 KQ14 now follows a unique orbit suggest that the outer solar system is more complex and varied than previously thought, but it also places limits on a hypothetical "Planet Nine" theorized to lurk at the edge of the solar system.
There's "no viable transfer mechanisms" to explain the observed orbits "with the current configuration of planets," according to the team's recently-published paper. But since those orbits are stable, it "suggests that an external gravitational influence beyond those of the currently known Solar System planets is required to form their orbits." So where does that leave us? ScienceAlert summarizes the rest of the paper — and where things stand now: Astronomers have proposed many sources for this external gravitational influence, including interactions with a rogue planet or star, ancient stellar interactions from when the Sun was still in its natal cluster, and the capture of objects from other lower-mass stars in the Solar System's early times. But the explanation that gets the most attention is interactions with a hypothetical planet, Planet Nine.
If Planet Nine exists, it has a huge area to hide in. Some astronomers who have studied its potential existence think it could be the fifth largest planet in the Solar System. It would be so far away that it would be extremely dim. However, we may be on the cusp of detecting it, if it exists. The Vera Rubin Observatory recently saw first light and will begin its decade-long Legacy Survey of Space and Time (LSST). The LSST will find transient events and objects in the Solar System like no other telescope before it. It's purpose-built to find hard-to-detect objects, and not even an elusive object like Planet Nine may be able to hide from it.
Sednoids (Score:3, Funny)
Swollen areas in the vicinity of Sedna's bottom.
Fifth largest planet... (Score:2)
Sednoid... (Score:1)
That's pronounced "planet".
Learn to use a calendar. (Score:5, Informative)
"400 million years ago" is not "400 million years after it's birth"
Supposed to be "news for nerds", not "news for numbskulls".
Re:Learn to use a calendar. (Score:4, Insightful)
No kidding... I read the headline and was like "Whoa, is that the late Devonian extinction?" Nope... Hadean. Before even the late heavy bombardment...
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Ammonites generally are fossils, rather than being discovered by FOSSIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
They also date back to about 400 MYA, but that doesn't excuse the headline being wrong.....
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Ammonites generally are fossils,
Yes, exactly... And they were almost completely wiped out by the Devonian extinction. The name itself adds to the confusion...
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AIs are easily confused. In fact, it's their natural state.
Holy Tom Van Flandern, Batman (Score:3)
Yeah, I read it 400 million years ago instead of 400 million years after the solar system formation, aligning it with the catastrophism theories of Tom Van Flandern.
Is it irony week again? (Score:3)
Whats so confusing about 400 years after the birth of the solar system? Seems pretty clear to me.
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Nothing would be confusing about it if that's what was written. The summary says "400m years ago" - which is apparently incorrect.
Thatâ(TM)s Planet *X* to you, Mister! (Score:2, Informative)
Pluto will always be a planet in my solar systemm.
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Planet X
Shh, keep your voice down before Handsome Musk hears you and grabs it for himself.
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"That's simply how "groups" work. You pick an attribute and group similar items together under a name."
Exactly, which is why the attempt to recategorize Pluto is pointless and inane. Breaking decades of literature just because you want the 'planets' to be short list without any rational or objective reason to limit it is ridiculous. Pluto therefore remains a planet and the four or five virgins who care about the issue beyond Pluto's demotion don't get to outvote the entire rest of the population of the plan
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Pluto never stopped being a planet, a few virgin astrologers [yes, that is the word I mean] don't get to redefine a common language term which predates even astrology let alone astronomy. Especially not because they are inclined to have a low planet count and the decision is otherwise entirely arbitrary. Either they come up with a system that is backwards compatible or they make up their own new terms without breaking existing language, learning, and writings for no practical benefit at all.
Words change [Re:Pluto is a planet] (Score:1)
Pluto never stopped being a planet, a few virgin astrologers [yes, that is the word I mean]
If you are going to pretend to be erudite about language and say that words can't change meaning, it's a bad move to start out by saying "I am going to redefine the word astrology to include astronomers [that I don't like]."
don't get to redefine a common language term which predates even astrology let alone astronomy.
To the contrary. The original meaning of planet (from the Greek planetes, "wandering star") did not include the Earth as a planet... but did include the sun and the moon. The meaning changed.
The "common" definition does not predate astrology, nor astronomy. Ceres was called a planet afte
Fuck you. (Score:5, Insightful)
NEVER start a sentence off "Fossil discovered beyond Pluto ..." .. Do you realize all the things that start spinning up in a brain when a sentence starts like that?
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Clickbait (Score:3)
If you can answer 20 of these questions, your IQ is higher than 140.
On the other hand, if you click on the link, that pretty much puts your IQ well below that value.
If Planet 9 is ever discovered... (Score:2)
can we name it 'Actual Pluto'?
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No, it'll be called 'Goofy'.
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It's already actually named Pluto
Stop the slop (Score:2)
Do the "editors" really think they can get away with shovelling unchecked AI slop at us ?
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Apart from the 400 million years error, the writing here is simply rubbish.
That was 400 million years after the birth of the solar system. Not an error. Means the orbits have been stable for over four billion years, and the perturbation was before that.
Do the "editors" really think they can get away with shovelling unchecked AI slop at us ?
In this case, I'm not seeing what signature of AI is here. There have been a number of articles in other popular science media sources about this. I consider all articles about "planet 9" to be pure speculation based on far too little hard evidence (considering observational bias, orbits of four Sedna-like objects is far too few to
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Apart from the 400 million years error, the writing here is simply rubbish. Do the "editors" really think they can get away with shovelling unchecked AI slop at us ?
I posit that you already know the answer to the question you end with. And that answer is a resounding, "Yes."
What I find odd (Score:2)
We have tools of insane levels of precision. How come we can't find some gravity object only a few light minutes away?
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Because it's dark out there.
Revisionist Fuckers (Score:2)
Those revisionist fuckers did Pluto dirty. But, Pluto doesn't care. It's been around. It's seen some shit. It knows that things will oscillate back and it will be a planet again in less than half its orbital period.
Filthy God damned apes.