Northern Arizona Resident Dies From Plague (cnn.com) 87
It killed tens of millions of people in 14th century Europe," CNN reports, though "today, it's easily treated with antibiotics."
And yet "A resident of northern Arizona has died from pneumonic plague, health officials said Friday." Plague is rare to humans, with on average about seven cases reported annually in the U.S., most of them in the western states, according to federal health officials. The death in Coconino County, which includes Flagstaff, was the first recorded death from pneumonic plague since 2007, local officials said... The bubonic plague is the most common form of the bacterial infection, which spreads naturally among rodents like prairie dogs and rats. There are two other forms: septicemic plague that spreads through the whole body, and pneumonic plague that infects the lungs. Pneumonic plague is the most deadly and easiest to spread.
And yet "A resident of northern Arizona has died from pneumonic plague, health officials said Friday." Plague is rare to humans, with on average about seven cases reported annually in the U.S., most of them in the western states, according to federal health officials. The death in Coconino County, which includes Flagstaff, was the first recorded death from pneumonic plague since 2007, local officials said... The bubonic plague is the most common form of the bacterial infection, which spreads naturally among rodents like prairie dogs and rats. There are two other forms: septicemic plague that spreads through the whole body, and pneumonic plague that infects the lungs. Pneumonic plague is the most deadly and easiest to spread.
End-Times Near! (Score:3, Funny)
Locusts, Plague, Orange-Anti-Christ
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The US isn't unique however among other politically corrupt developing 3rd world countries.
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Illegals are the New Jews for bigots like you
Not another mentally ill person in this place
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Projection, Aduff
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Isr. returning West Bank won't guarantee peace, but is a prerequisite
Let me put this in terms you can understand cpt. Looney. In america, the only people who give a flying fuck about Israel are the very fringe religious lunatics. Bringing it up unprovoked shows you are one of them. Again, no normal, rational person cares at all about israel, gaza, west bank, etc.
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Comments like yours? A Trumper? If the above person is one, whatever that is, what are you going to do? Are you going to hunt them down? Are you going to punch them? Are you trying to get a mob after that person? ...
No, I think I'm going to wear all white and grab some tiki-torches. No, too obvious. I think I'll wear an american flag and invade the US capital? Wait, that already happened? I think I'll call them antisemitic and take away their funding.
Yea, that's what I'll do!
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Re: End-Times Near! (Score:1)
I'm sorry. I've seen no locusts locally yet. Please point them out as I'm going fishing tomorrow and locusts are better bait than worms. Cheaper as well.
Dogs and cats... living together (Score:2)
Mass hysteria. (That last part is definitely happening)
Dum (Score:3)
Re:Dum (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, we're just "Making America Great Again" one 18th century disease at a time.
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I'm not a fan of Trump, but this - a person or two dying of plague in the American Southwest - happens every few years. It's nothing new.
Also vaccines are irrelevant since this is a bacterium.
Re: Dum (Score:1)
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How are vaccines irrelevant because it's a bacteria? The plague doesn't have vaccines, but other bacteria do, such as tetanus.
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Oh, you're right - they're not nearly as common but they do exist.
Also another big one most of us have had - tuberculosis.
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The tetanus vaccine is against the poison that the bacterium produces, not the bacterium itself.
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You're right, but you picked a bad example. The tetanus vaccine targets the toxin, not the bacterium.
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Apparently the last American death from pneumonic plague was during the Bush administration. Hmmmm!
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PLAGUE DEATHS LINKED TO GOP!
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Plague has a vaccine available. It's just not commonly given because so few cases of it actually occur every year that vaccinating everyone is pointless as it's relatively rare, easily treatable so why burden people with yet another shot for something they aren't likely to get. But it exists and can be given to hot spots of plague outbreaks.
Plague is also highly responsive to antibiotics which is why deaths are relatively rare as well - you get sick, yo
Re: Dum ==== this can only mean one thing (Score:2)
The rattlers out there are super content, being apex predators. Get to work, boys! Slackers.
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Well the plague is bacterial, not viral, and even the WHO says you shouldn't get the oddball vaccine that was developed for it. Infection is easily treated with common antibiotics.
You also usually don't contract it unless you live in squalor or come in contact with infected animals. And the only way you die from it is if you didn't seek treatment and/or you had another serious ailment and this pushed you over the edge.
Prairie dogs out in Colorado are well known to be plague carriers, the disease never wen
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Now people are going to start saying that the bubonic plague vaccine doesn't work.
If memory serves, there is a bubonic plague vaccine but it's used sparingly as it can have some bad side effects and plague isn't really wide spread enough to warrant inoculation. Quarantines and hygiene generally keep it under control as well as modern medical techniques for those already infected, it's not the huge killer it was in the 16th century, where quarantines were used to get rid of it (by this I mean the plague victims were sealed in and left to die, it was a simpler time).
What's interesting i
Wikpedia for your connvenience (Score:5, Informative)
During 1995, plague was confirmed in the United States from nine western states.[70] Currently, five to 15 people in the United States are estimated to catch the disease each year — typically in western states. The reservoir is thought to be mice.[71][72] In the U.S., about half of all fatal cases of plague since 1970 have occurred in New Mexico. There were two plague deaths in the state in 2006, the first fatalities in 12 years.[73] In New Mexico, four people were diagnosed with the plague in 2015; one died. In 2016, four were diagnosed and all were treated with success. Three others were diagnosed by late June in 2017. Vegetation such as pinyon and juniper trees are thought to support rodents such as the prairie dog and rock squirrel, with their fleas, according to Paul Ettestad of the New Mexico public health department.[74] As well, pets can bring back fleas from dead rodents, he said. The CDC indicates that over the past century, plague in the U.S. has been most common in the areas of northern New Mexico, northwestern Arizona and southern Colorado.[75] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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During 1995, plague was confirmed in the United States from nine western states.
Wikipedia is a weird resource. I did some volunteer work in the forests of New Mexico back in the 80s and we discussed how "the plague" was active even then and was carried by small mammals. Wikipedia is like a guy with dementia. Sure, they can prove that that plague was acknowledged in the 90s; however, it is then pretended like nobody knew of the plague out in the wild prior to that... which is absurd.
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During 1995, plague was confirmed in the United States from nine western states.
it is then pretended like nobody knew of the plague out in the wild prior to that... which is absurd.
That is absolutely not what is happening there. Wikipedia is presenting a fact and they shouldn't have to prefix it with "for example" or "as one data point" for your reading convenience, or to stop you from imagining they are saying things not in or implied by the article.
Good news bad news time (Score:4, Insightful)
The bad news is that Robert f Kennedy Jr and Christi Noem are going to be in charge of any sort of containment response, so actually we do need to panic immediately.
In order to get the Yes Man Trump wanted and that the heritage foundation wanted they had to put completely incompetent buffoons in charge of literally everything that protects you.
For some of us that just means we're on our own and a lot of us are patting ourselves on the back thinking that's okay.
But when it comes to a literal plague it doesn't work like that. The plague doesn't care that you own a house and live in a nice suburb that isn't in a flood plain. This is one of those cases where you can't have a no peeing section in your pool. Also Chesterton's fence.
Re:Good news bad news time (Score:4, Informative)
The bad news is that Robert f Kennedy Jr and Christi Noem are going to be in charge of any sort of containment response,
The proper containment response appears to be: administer antibiotics when a case is found. Since there is no vaccine and prophylactic treatment with antibiotics is an absolute no-no (breeds resistant strains of bacteria).
In other words, the proper response is to do nothing different. Having hissy fits about Kennedy and Noem is also counter-indicated.
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RFK Jr stated in front of Congress that people shouldn't take medical advice from him. I think that was really excellent advice.
Of course, taken to its logical conclusion, it means he admits to having no business being in charge of HHS...
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Please post yourPlease post your medical degree. medical degree.
Post yours. I have a degree in reading [wikipedia.org] (third paragraph).
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I never claimed to be a medical doctor. But possibly an advanced degree in reading comprehension ... perhaps.
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Why? Instead of attacking the person making an argument, why not attack the argument directly? They only made 2 points so it should be easy for you to find people who think the antibiotic prophylactics are a good idea, or that there is a vaccine for the plague.
Let's here it.
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Why? Instead of attacking the person making an argument, why not attack the argument directly?
Why attack the uneducated dipshits stating bullshit as if it were fact? YMBNH– Earth that is. That's part of how we got here, by which I mean, another globally rising ride of fascism.
Speaking of rising tides, you know what's spooky to see, even though it's not surprising? How little most people care for their children, and their children's children, as evinced by their unwillingness to allow positive changes to occur because they might lose their trivial privilege.
Re: Good news bad news time (Score:2)
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There used to be a plague vaccine, but apparently not anymore.
I'm not sure if it worked on the pneumonic version. That hits so fast your immune system doesn't really have time to ramp up.
Yeah is that going to get done? (Score:2)
Containment requires a rapid response and we have already seen that this administration isn't capable of that.
The politically motivated firings alone are basically stopping their response to disasters. That's before we take into account just the raw incompetence.
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Just shoot all the prairie dogs, problem solved!!!
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Since there is no vaccine
There were several vaccines, but given the disease's rarity they are not used anymore.
Re:Good news bad news time (Score:5, Insightful)
In other words, the proper response is to do nothing different.
Correct.
Having hissy fits about Kennedy and Noem is also counter-indicated.
Kennedy and Noem are disruptive. You say you want nothing different. Your description of a response to this disruption as a "hissy fit" runs counter to your narrative. Pick one or the other going forwards if you want to be taken seriously, thanks.
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In which sense?
We know he believes in vaccines, because his family is vaccinated. If he can believe in vaccines, he almost certainly believes in antibiotics.
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The symptoms of pneumonic plague are coughing, sneezing, a fever, and sometimes chest pain, followed by often quite rapid death. Since it's pretty communicable and the pre-death symptoms are pretty typical for lots of things that do not bring people to the hospital, particularly when they don't have health insurance, containment (proper contaiment anyway) involves more than just treating walk-in cases.
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Everyone knows the best response to an epidemic is to move your family onto your yacht - no doubt the doctors will be prescribing this.
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The last such death was during the Bush years! Surely the events must be related somehow!!!! !
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Is this India? (Score:1)
This sounds an awful lot like something you'd find in India [youtube.com].
Side note, someone I used to work with mentioned she was retiring to Arizona. I told her, "Ahh. Hantavirus". She didn't know what that meant so I explained.
So not only can you die from an infection transmitted by fleas, you can die from the plague if you live in Arizona. Sounds like a great place.
Re:Is this India? (Score:4, Informative)
You're more likely to die in the car ride to Arizona.
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Of plague?
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Then you only wish you were dead.
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Just as likely on the car ride to the airport for the plane to Arizona.
Or, on my side of the pond, as I heard someone say recently: people drive their cars from Hamburg to Alicante, where they're then scared of being eaten by a shark.
Re:Is this India? (Score:4, Funny)
You can die from Lyme Disease in Rhode Island. You can die from malaria in Florida.
You can rust to death in Washington and Oregon.
Re:Is this India? (Score:2)
Washington also has lots of ticks, including a soft-bodied tick species that carries relapsing fever.
One of them got me a couple years ago. Weird looking tick. I did not get relapsing fever, but I did get a quarter-sized welt at the bite and a four inch diameter red itchy zone around it. No other tick bite gave that kind of reaction. Impressive venom.
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Did you get treatment at the time? Could the 4 inch redness be the infamous erythema that Lyme patients have in the first stage?
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No. It had the wrong look to be a Lyme erythema. It was itchy though, and the red zone moved following the path the lymph would take.
It was definitely a new type of tick, at least for me. Lots of the little bitches have gotten me over the years.
Re: Is this India? (Score:1)
A severe reaction to a tick bite is probably not his powerful âvenomâ(TM), but rather an allergic reaction to the tick regurgitating part of his last meal, probably a mammal. This strong reaction to a tick bite is a sign that you are at risk of mammalian meat allergy (MMA) or alpha gal syndrome. This can lead to life threatening anaphylaxis. https://www.news.com.au/lifest... [news.com.au]?
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Yep, definitely 3rd world level. Prepare to see more of that in the US.
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Nope it's pretty much just Arizona:
https://www.nationalparkstrave... [nationalpa...aveler.org]
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The plague bacteria is more endemic in the USA than in India. In India it is present in less than half the country, in the USA it's more than half the country. Here's the map: https://cdn.who.int/media/imag... [who.int]
Funny how that went (Score:2)
No correlation with the cretin that Trump made secretary for health, I am sure.
How to protect yourself (Score:2)
1. Remain in basement.
2. Run conky to give you the weather if you don't have a window in your mom's basement.
3. Power up the time traveler and set it to 14th.century Europe. You can dodge pneumonic plague but watch them burn the corpses of bubonic plague
That should keep the California riff raff out (Score:2)
Post warning signs at the border. Problem solved.
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Post warning signs at the border. Problem solved.
No need, they post warning signs on social media.