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A 'Hubble Crisis'? New Measurement Confirms Universe is Expanding Too Fast for Current Models (phys.org) 30

"The universe is expanding faster than predicted by theoretical models," writes Phys.org, "and faster than can be explained by our current understanding of physics." There's now been new confirmation of this (published in The Astrophysical Journal Letters) by a team led by Dan Scolnic, an associate professor of physics at Duke University.

And this means the so-called Hubble tension "now turns into a crisis," said Dan Scolnic, who led the research team... This is saying, to some respect, that our model of cosmology might be broken." Measuring the universe requires a cosmic ladder, which is a succession of methods used to measure the distances to celestial objects, with each method, or "rung," relying on the previous for calibration. The ladder used by Scolnic was created by a separate team using data from the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument (DESI), which is observing more than 100,000 galaxies every night from its vantage point at the Kitt Peak National Observatory. Scolnic recognized that this ladder could be anchored closer to Earth with a more precise distance to the Coma Cluster, one of the galaxy clusters nearest to us. "The DESI collaboration did the really hard part, their ladder was missing the first rung," said Scolnic. "I knew how to get it, and I knew that that would give us one of the most precise measurements of the Hubble constant we could get, so when their paper came out, I dropped absolutely everything and worked on this non-stop."

To get a precise distance to the Coma cluster, Scolnic and his collaborators used the light curves from 12 Type Ia supernovae within the cluster. Just like candles lighting a dark path, Type Ia supernovae have a predictable luminosity that correlates to their distance, making them reliable objects for distance calculations. The team arrived at a distance of about 320 million light-years, nearly in the center of the range of distances reported across 40 years of previous studies — a reassuring sign of its accuracy. "This measurement isn't biased by how we think the Hubble tension story will end," said Scolnic. "This cluster is in our backyard, it has been measured long before anyone knew how important it was going to be."

The results? "It matches the universe's expansion rate as other teams have recently measured it," writes Phys.org, "but not as our current understanding of physics predicts it. The longstanding question is: is the flaw in the measurements or in the models? Scolnic's team's new results add tremendous support to the emerging picture that the root of the Hubble tension lies in the models..."

And the article closes with this quote from Scolnic: "Ultimately, even though we're swapping out so many of the pieces, we all still get a very similar number. So, for me, this is as good of a confirmation as it's ever gotten. We're at a point where we're pressing really hard against the models we've been using for two and a half decades, and we're seeing that things aren't matching up," said Scolnic.

"This may be reshaping how we think about the universe, and it's exciting! There are still surprises left in cosmology, and who knows what discoveries will come next?"

A 'Hubble Crisis'? New Measurement Confirms Universe is Expanding Too Fast for Current Models

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  • In plain English (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:15AM (#65100353) Homepage Journal

    Okay, if I understand the completely click-bait, topsy-turvy article writeup, the situation is this:

    The current best guess for the expansion of the universe (by the Hubble constant) is not predicted by current models.

    Astrophysicists were wondering if the flaw was in the models or the measurement methods. The current experiment shows that the measurement methods are accurate, indicating that it's the model that's wrong.

    The universe is expanding. If you tally up all the gravitational attraction in the universe, you would expect the universe to expand, slow down, stop, and then collapse back into itself. (Or slow down less and less over time, reaching zero expansion in infinite time.)

    However, the expansion is increasing over time. There is no explanation for this, so we assume "dark energy" is somehow involved.

    This is different from "dark matter" that seems to show up in galaxies. About 83% of all matter in some galaxies (including our own) is dark matter, but about 70% of all matter in the universe is dark energy. Of the remaining 30%, 83% is dark matter in the galaxies, and 17% (of the 30%) is regular matter.

    • by martin-boundary ( 547041 ) on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:47AM (#65100373)
      The energy in the universe is usefully classified as matter and radiation. Radiation moves close the speed of light, while matter moves close to not at all relative to light. Humans in this scheme are classified as plants.
    • They'll figure this out eventually, but the secret is that gravitational attraction simply shuts off past a certain distance. That's the only real flaw in their current model, it obviates the need for "dark" stuff, and it's a fair mistake to make, because it isn't logically contiguous with how everything else works. Once they find the formula for the max distance of gravitational attraction it will make the rest of the model work.

      The aliens will punish me for posting this.

      • the secret is that gravitational attraction simply shuts off past a certain distance

        "Certain distance" measured from which point?

        • I think OP is talking about MOND theories [wikipedia.org]. They do not shut off gravitational attraction past a certain distance, they modify the asymptotics of Newton's second law depending on the magnitude of the acceleration.
          • I know what he's talking about, but he doesn't.

            The MOND theories I've had the patience to check out are exercises in math that have no reasonable physics behind them.

            As a result, they tend to take on just pieces of the problem and ignore any evidence that doesn't fit.

            So, not holding my breath about any one of them replacing Newtonian gravity.

      • Interesting conjecture. It does seem possible. That never occurred to me.

        My pet hypothesis, based on a physics lecture I saw by a bona fide physicist at MIT, reference unfortunately lost, is that the red shift measurements are "wrong" because don't subtract out rotational forces .. if you search on "local flows" you can find papers that lean into the , fairly obvious, idea that the entire universe is rotating ... literally everything else is, why wouldn't the entire universe be ?
      • They'll figure this out eventually, but the secret is that gravitational attraction simply shuts off past a certain distance. That's the only real flaw in their current model, it obviates the need for "dark" stuff, and it's a fair mistake to make, because it isn't logically contiguous with how everything else works. Once they find the formula for the max distance of gravitational attraction it will make the rest of the model work.

        Unfortunately, to explain away dark matter you need exactly the opposite: you need to say gravity doesn't drop toward zero past a certain distance.

        This is how the MOND type theories work: suggesting that gravity gets stronger than expected at very very large distances.

        The aliens will punish me for posting this.

        No, but the people who pay attention to modern physics will.

    • Our "current models" are based on solving general relativity equations for whole universe. You shouldn't expect any actual precise description from this model since general relativity doesn't apply on quantum scales and therefore isn't helpful at modelling first moments after big bang.
  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:30AM (#65100401)

    Just get Congress to write legislation that says creation was in 4004BC and the incoming president will sign it.

    Problem solved.

  • Hubble Bubble -- the bubbles expand too fast.

    (Note: The Pink flavor is discontinued 'cause of Red Dye #3.)

  • ...will have a great day when they hear about it.

  • ...can explain how we have such confidence that "Type Ia supernovae have a predictable luminosity that correlates to their distance, making them reliable objects for distance calculations"?

    It seems a great deal hinges on this assumption.

    I understand that observed ones fit relatively well on a curve when we correct for luminosity but
    A) not THAT perfectly
    B) we haven't observed that many in stellar scales
    C) even if it is a good "general rule" that makes it even more vulnerable to exceptions and frankly in gala

  • Everybody panic! We have a crisis on our hands! This is no mere scientific curiosity for us to learn from, not, this is a full-blown catastrophe!

    Oh, wait, it's just a scientific curiosity for us to learn from.
  • So our confident belief that we understand "the universe", based on ... mostly just looking at radiation of various kinds falling on us here ... might have been a tad overconfident.

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