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Survey Finds Public Perception of Scientists' Credibility Has Slipped (phys.org) 280

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Phys.Org: New analyses from the Annenberg Public Policy Center find that public perceptions of scientists' credibility -- measured as their competence, trustworthiness, and the extent to which they are perceived to share an individual's values -- remain high, but their perceived competence and trustworthiness eroded somewhat between 2023 and 2024. The research also found that public perceptions of scientists working in artificial intelligence (AI) differ from those of scientists as a whole. [...] The five factors in Factors Assessing Science's Self-Presentation (FASS) are whether science and scientists are perceived to be credible and prudent, and whether they are perceived to overcome bias, correct error (self-correcting), and whether their work benefits people like the respondent and the country as a whole (beneficial). [...] In the FASS model, perceptions of scientists' credibility are assessed through perceptions of whether scientists are competent, trustworthy, and "share my values." The first two of those values slipped in the most recent survey. In 2024, 70% of those surveyed strongly or somewhat agree that scientists are competent (down from 77% in 2023) and 59% strongly or somewhat agree that scientists are trustworthy (down from 67% in 2023). The survey also found that in 2024, fewer people felt that scientists' findings benefit "the country as a whole" and "benefit people like me." In 2024, 66% strongly or somewhat agreed that findings benefit the country as a whole (down from 75% in 2023). Belief that scientists' findings "benefit people like me," also declined, to 60% from 68%. Taken together, those two questions make up the beneficial factor of FASS. The findings follow sustained attacks on climate and COVID-19-related science, and more recently, public concerns about the rapid development and deployment of artificial intelligence. Here's what the study found when comparing perceptions of scientists in general with climate and AI scientists: - Credibility: When asked about three factors underlying scientists' credibility, AI scientists have lower credibility in all three values.
- Competent: 0% strongly/somewhat agree that scientists are competent, but only 62% for climate scientists and 49% for AI scientists.
- Trustworthy: 59% agree scientists are trustworthy, 54% agree for climate scientists, 28% for AI scientists.
- Share my values: A higher number (38%) agree that climate scientists share my values than for scientists in general (36%) and AI scientists (15%). More people disagree with this for AI scientists (35%) than for the others.
- Prudence: Asked whether they agree or disagree that science by various groups of scientists "creates unintended consequences and replaces older problems with new ones," over half of those surveyed (59%) agree that AI scientists create unintended consequences and just 9% disagree.
- Overcoming bias: Just 42% of those surveyed agree that scientists "are able to overcome human and political biases," but only 21% feel that way about AI scientists. In fact, 41% disagree that AI scientists are able to overcome human political biases. In another area, just 23% agree that AI scientists provide unbiased conclusions in their area of inquiry and 38% disagree.
- Self-correction: Self-correction, or "organized skepticism expressed in expectations sustaining a culture of critique," as the FASS paper puts it, is considered by some as a "hallmark of science." AI scientists are seen as less likely than scientists or climate scientists to take action to prevent fraud; take responsibility for mistakes; or to have mistakes that are caught by peer review.
- Benefits: Asked about the benefits from scientists' findings, 60% agree that scientists' "findings benefit people like me," though just 44% agree for climate scientists and 35% for AI scientists. Asked about whether findings benefit the country as a whole, 66% agree for scientists, 50% for climate scientists and 41% for AI scientists.
- Your best interest: The survey also asked respondents how much trust they have in scientists to act in the best interest of people like you. (This specific trust measure is not a part of the FASS battery.) Respondents have less trust in AI scientists than in others: 41% have a great deal/a lot of trust in medical scientists; 39% in climate scientists; 36% in scientists; and 12% in AI scientists.

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Survey Finds Public Perception of Scientists' Credibility Has Slipped

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  • by GotNoRice ( 7207988 ) on Monday July 01, 2024 @10:38PM (#64593779)
    It's not as if people have less faith in science than before. They simply have less faith in the scientists than before. Scientists used to be seen as mostly ethical; like doctors who take the Hippocratic oath and are generally committed to helping people. Many "scientists" have become politicized to the extent that science itself often takes a back seat, or at the very least, prevents them from being able to analyze data and present conclusions that happen to conflict with their own personal bias.
    • by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Monday July 01, 2024 @10:42PM (#64593785)

      Yeah, when theres an active ongoing campaign to discredit any scientist that doesnt "toe the party line" from one side of the political spectrum, is it any surprise when we find out that they are actually gaining traction?

      Yes, there have been some fairly well publicised cases in science recently of retractions and studies being discredited, but nothing that compares to the coordinated anti-science push from the right-wing.

      • by SchroedingersCat ( 583063 ) on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:53AM (#64593927)
        Modern science is endless jockeying for grants, citations and credits. Add "science by consensus" to that and credibility goes down the drain.
      • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

        I find your post rather ironic in light of just two stories below this one we find:

        https://yro.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]

    • You're so close to getting it, but it sounds a bit like getting it would undermine your whole worldview.

      Tell me, what does it look like when a physicist expresses persona bias?

      • Most commonly? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 )
        The first thing you're going to notice is that they're publishing in a journal that you have to pay money to get published in. The second thing you're going to notice is that even a layman can find problems with their data. Things like tables full of obviously wrong numbers.

        I noticed you used physicist and not biologist or epidemiologist. That wasn't an accident. You won't get very far as a physicist usually when you fake your data because it's just a little bit too obvious. It's biology and epidemiolog
        • Here's the thing

          you're not answering the question I actually asked. You're answering the question "what does it look like when a physicist attempts to fake their data".

          Physicists might instead tell you "this question doesn't make sense in the way you might normally think about the word 'bias'. Everyone has a perspective that they record data from, and an observer is an integral part of an experiment'.

          Yeah, I know that's going to go over some heads, someone's going to claim it's semantic because they don't r

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              • lol

                Ok ok but

                try looking at Hawking's stuff on black holes
                and now consider more than one observer

                now you're looking at cutting edge questions in quantum physics lololol

            • I would even say that it's not sad that humans have biases, though. It's functionally unavoidable.
              Everyone necessarily has a perspective, and trying to 'eliminate' that seems... like actually maybe sometimes it's an effort to limit the number of available choices, and in doing so force people into exactly two different sides so that someone already in power can have some kind of self indulgent fantasy about morals.

              But of course, if an authoritarian can hide that attempt in some other kind of appeal, they'll

    • by Brain-Fu ( 1274756 ) on Monday July 01, 2024 @11:02PM (#64593807) Homepage Journal

      Scientists also have financial incentives to show results. Fame is also an incentive. So, some of them lie. They ARE human, after all.

      The ones that falsify data cause general public distrust for all of them.

      • by Moryath ( 553296 )

        “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” --Isaac Asimov

    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @01:03AM (#64593937) Journal
      All of us oppose some doctors [youtube.com]. There are plenty of anti-vaxxer scientists, too.

      The problem is that as soon as any position is selected as a position of trust, then the trust will be abused by people who want power. The solution is to look at the evidence, not authorities.
    • I partly agree. There's also scientists who write up papers knowing they're false in an effort to get funding for their projects. You needn't look far. Just scroll down a few posts here on slashdot and you'll see recent charges.
    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @04:52AM (#64594163)

      Many "scientists" have become politicized to the extent that science itself often takes a back seat

      No. You have just been *told* that they are politicised. Science doesn't give a shit about politics. In the world of peer reviewed research there's no decrease in quality or increase in political bias. The issue is that people claim to be doing science (usually some political think tank writing some report), or people claim that the science is wrong (and not just people, but prominent important people like presidents and others whose opinions however incorrect can absolutely dominate a media cycle).

      You are an example of the problem. This is a story about perception, and you have turned it into an actual attack on people. The people are fine, it's the perception that is bad, and you've just perpetuated that perception.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Eh, I am not even sure it is 'politics', but instead 'markets'. Ad dollars have become the cornerstone of our modern economy, and scientists are an easy target for generating outrage/engagement. Politics is just a small corner of that since the same thing can be used for fundraising.
    • by 2TecTom ( 311314 )

      corruption is the problem and that includes science

      classism and greed lead directly to corruption

      all our scientific institutions are corrupt and self-serving

      it's all about the money now ...

    • by RobinH ( 124750 )

      It's not just that. There's a reproducibility crisis in many fields, particularly things like psychology and social science, but medicine is also affected. About the only field to escape this problem is physics. The root causes of this isn't left/right politics, but rather scientific politics. Ask any scientist what it's like doing research, and they'll all tell you the truism "publish or perish."

      You have to constantly churn out a series of papers trying to get them published in scientific journals. Th

  • by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Monday July 01, 2024 @10:48PM (#64593789)

    Who answers these surveys?

  • by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Monday July 01, 2024 @11:45PM (#64593871)

    Two stories down, there's a submission about faked Alzheimer's research. Hmm, what a coincidence.

    • there's a submission about faked Alzheimer's research

      The thing is when there isn't valid science going on, you wouldn't know it was faked. Debunking false claims is proof the actual process still functions.

    • About faked Alzheimers research being discovered and the researcher's standing being reduced in the face of it, yes.

      This is a feature.
      The point of the scientific method, of double blind testing etc... is that people aren't trustworthy even when they have good intentions.

      I know you guys really want to worship a white man with a neat haircut in a labcoat with hornrimmed glasses and a pocket protector, but that's got nothing to do with the practice of science and everything to do with science fiction novels fr

      • I know you guys really want to worship a white man with a neat haircut in a labcoat with hornrimmed glasses and a pocket protector, but that's got nothing to do with the practice of science and everything to do with science fiction novels from the 1950s. Sorry.

        Those were the same guys telling you smoking Lucky Strikes was healthy and if your wife was was getting mouthy then she needed some barbiturates.

        • it's real sad how advertising gets in the way of people understanding shit that's actually happening to them huh

          it's hard enough for people to understand their experiences without someone gaslighting them so they can sell a product. I don't really blame 'em for not being able to differentiate Ernest Rutherford and a tobacco salesman, but it doesn't really help things along.

          • it's real sad how advertising gets in the way of people understanding shit that's actually happening to them huh

            No. Just NO. We *do* not get to surrender personal agency and then act as if it was not a personal choice and resolve to blame others for our very personal idiocy.

        • if your wife was was getting mouthy then she needed some barbiturates.

          The real truth is that if your kid can't focus, he needs some amphetamines.

  • When the Nazis took over Germany prior to WWII there were two groups they removed as "obstacles":
    1. Scientists. People who could prove facts were a threat. They were vilified, railroaded, hunted down, and killed. Most were Jewish so it just seemed right. Right?
    2. Media. People who could evidence what was really going on and talk about it in print or radio. They were vilified, railroaded, hunted down, and killed.

    Just like the Republicans' plan.

    48 milllion white trash cockroach voters shouting incoheren

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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      • Actually they were against science. Take homeopathy, for example. This is some anti-scientific shit. But the nazis considered it a proper German science instead of the Jewish evidence based medicine.

        • They totally (maybe deliberately) misunderstood the "survival of the fittest" in the rush to eugenics
    • The Nazis didn't have a problem with scientists who toed the Nazi party line. There were plenty, especially once the vacant positions occupied by the non-Nazi scientists were... vacated.
    • When the Nazis took over Germany prior to WWII there were two groups they removed as "obstacles": 1. Scientists. People who could prove facts were a threat. They were vilified, railroaded, hunted down, and killed. Most were Jewish so it just seemed right. Right? 2. Media. People who could evidence what was really going on and talk about it in print or radio. They were vilified, railroaded, hunted down, and killed.

      Just like the Republicans' plan.

      48 milllion white trash cockroach voters shouting incoherent slogans can't be wrong. Right?

      Good heavens ... I think you may need some pharmaceutical science there soon, son ...

  • Here's the problem (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MpVpRb ( 1423381 ) on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:07AM (#64593889)

    People have been lied to by corporations, advertisers and the government for years. Powerful corporations in tobacco, junk food, oil and others, have funded studies that cover up the damage their products cause. Some scientists have been caught falsifying work.

    Some people develop a healthy skepticism, and check facts carefully. Some simply refuse to believe that anyone is telling the truth

    • And most of the population isn't competent to carry out a serious fact check anyway.

      Ultimately without the ending of the right to free speech, there is no obvious answer to the problem.

    • That is why the truth should be protected - we require trust to function as a group. Damaging that trust hurts the entire group as we start having to double-check everything and then quickly run into life being so complicated we can't possibly be competent to know everything we'd need to do so.

      And I'm not talking about the appearance of truth - protecting that is a tiny square of gauze on a sucking chest wound. Cover-ups to maintain trust damage the truth even further.

      Every deceptive ad, every political s

  • One way to look at it is dividing what changes people's opinion of science into three groups

    - scientists earning it: the concrete output and attitudes : reproducibility problems, retracting high profile papers ..
    - group dynamics: public opinion changing through its own momentum, like total ignorance or once the reputation is damaged people only focus on the bad stuff, which then makes it worse
    - PR effort: groups putting out stuff for their own interests which is designed to discredit some science

    Thing is 1.

  • - Competent: 0% strongly/somewhat agree that scientists are competent, but only 62% for climate scientists and 49% for AI scientists.

    I saw that in the summary and thought someone had made a copy-and-paste error, but no - that is exactly what the original article says.

  • When a new study/survey comes out by scientists, I look for whose paying for it ?
  • ... ridiculous [slashdot.org]!

    (Random internet guy hyperventilates)

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