Paul Alexander, 'The Man In the Iron Lung', Has Died (bbc.com) 76
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: The polio survivor known as "the man in the iron lung" has died at the age of 78. Paul Alexander contracted polio in 1952 when he was six, leaving him paralyzed from the neck down. The disease left him unable to breathe independently, leading doctors to place him in the metal cylinder, where he would spend the rest of his life. He would go on to earn a law degree -- and practice law -- as well as publish a memoir. [...] In 1952, when he became ill, doctors in his hometown of Dallas operated on him, saving his life. But polio meant his body was no longer able to breathe on his own. The answer was to place him in a so-called iron lung — a metal cylinder enclosing his body up to his neck.
The lung, which he called his "old iron horse," allowed him to breathe. Bellows sucked air out of the cylinder, forcing his lungs to expand and take in air. When the air was let back in, the same process in reverse made his lungs deflate. After years, Alexander eventually learned to breathe by himself so that he was able to leave the lung for short periods of time. Like most polio survivors placed in iron lungs, he was not expected to survive long. But he lived for decades, long after the invention of the polio vaccine in the 1950s all but eradicated the disease in the Western world. [...] Advances in medicine made iron lungs obsolete by the 1960s, replaced by ventilators. But Alexander kept living in the cylinder because, he said, he was used to it. He was recognized by Guinness World Records as the person who lived the longest in an iron lung.
The lung, which he called his "old iron horse," allowed him to breathe. Bellows sucked air out of the cylinder, forcing his lungs to expand and take in air. When the air was let back in, the same process in reverse made his lungs deflate. After years, Alexander eventually learned to breathe by himself so that he was able to leave the lung for short periods of time. Like most polio survivors placed in iron lungs, he was not expected to survive long. But he lived for decades, long after the invention of the polio vaccine in the 1950s all but eradicated the disease in the Western world. [...] Advances in medicine made iron lungs obsolete by the 1960s, replaced by ventilators. But Alexander kept living in the cylinder because, he said, he was used to it. He was recognized by Guinness World Records as the person who lived the longest in an iron lung.
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Today rather than taking extraordinary measures to save his life as given, a lot of people would would be advocating for withholding care. If he did get initial care after the prognosis that he'd never be free for the iron lung they'd be pushing MAID on him, instead of encouraging him to have a life an career as an author and a lawyer.
Had been an unborn baby when he became afflicted with a potentially survivable if debilitating condition, his mother would probably have been invited to SOTU address so the president could celebrate his execution publicly!
We are well beyond our cultural zenith now. Just wait the next phase is when we stop burring our dead.
You forgot the part about how Dogs and cats will be living together now!
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Total anarchy!
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If you and your wife had successfully conceived a child, but were told at 8 weeks that it had a rare severe genetic defect that would have severe mental incapacitation and likely not live past 20 and would need constant and expensive medical therapies and would you proceed with the pregnancy, knowing that you would not have the resources to afford additional children, or would you abort and try again, hopefully having a heathy child, knowing that in this case, you could actually afford to have two or three
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Today rather than taking extraordinary measures to save his life as given, a lot of people would would be advocating for withholding care.
What? Who would be advocating for withholding care from a person who is requesting said care? The doctors? His family? Please define "they" in this case? Who is pushing any of what you said on 6 year olds?
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Who would be advocating for withholding care from a person who is requesting said care?
In the United States, that would be the role of the insurance companies.
In civilized nations, this role does not appear to exist, but I am stuck here so I don't have first hand experience.
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Are you living in an alternate universe where Germany won WW2?
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It's a tremendously sad case. The rights and wrongs of it are far from clear to me and "doing better" is rather lacking in medical clarity. There are several of these cases each year it seems, we should have a better way of dealing with them. Framing somethign like this is hard, but perhaps something along the lines of:
Family/individual gets to choose the treatment they wish to pursue
Insurance must honor the terms of the policy on payment (which may include not paying)
Clinicians must be able to refuse cases
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As far as I can tell, "doing better" means she breathes on her own and no longer needs a urinary catheter. Still nothing to show that anyone is still "in there".
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Is this similar to that case a year or so ago where the dad wanted to take the kid to Italy as well but they had pretty much confirmed there was little left of the kids brain than just the pure involuntary brainstem functions with zero chance of any recovery?
It's all very tragic but at a certain point trying to extend life in that fashion could be considered abuse.
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It's hard to say, actual medical information is hard to come by in this case but it does seem that way.
I'm not sure it can exactly be called abuse since there is no longer a person to be abused, but I'll bet it prolongs the parent's suffering a great deal. Sometimes doctors try to make the call because they know the parents won't be able to bring themselves to do it, but that their suffering will be greatly prolonged.
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there is no longer a person to be abused
Sorta true but this is subjective also. We don't just let anything happen to braindead people, IE, it would be frowned upon and probably illegal for someone to have sex with said person right? Does the lack of ability to consent give someone else consent? We would generally say no?
We get into weird philosophical, legal and moral areas with this kinda stuff so I think it's alright to err on the side of caution but we should acknowledge that there is some dignity and empathy in death and forcefully keeping
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There are a number of sick things that are illegal to do with a corpse as well. It's mostly about the feelings of the deceased's loved ones, and rightly so.
But granted, it's all a murky legal/moral/ethical area.
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The guy's a whiner. He doesn't believe people should have control over their own bodies. Government knows best which means it gets to decide in true small government fashion.
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We're already there when people can convert their deceased loved-ones into compost
Human composting is an eco-friendly alternative to traditional burials and cremation [webmd.com]
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I mean who really has an issue with this? It's not like these are new concepts either:
Sky Burial [wikipedia.org]
What get's done to decaying meat sacks is between the person and their family and anyone with a problem with it can probably mind their own business?
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These decaying meat sacks represent a lifetime of memories with the deceased and it behooves one to treat the remains with respect. The anthropologists tell us that one of the first signs of humans evolving from a primate to human was when they started burying their d
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evolving from a primate to human was when they started burying their dead.
Sure but you are focusing on the "burial" aspect and not the "general mourning, respect and reflection on death and the individual" which is what anthropologists *actually* are referencing, not the method of what get's done to the body because as I just demonstrated, different cultures have different values regarding that.
Burial just happened to be the most obvious way for an ancient culture to accomplish 2 goals: a ceremonial aspect and getting the rotting disease sack someplace where it won't cause proble
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And what is wrong with that? Why the hell would I want to overpay for my body to be infused with toxic chemicals, slathered with makeup I'll never see, dressed in clothes I'll never see, put in a similarly overpriced box, and buried in a plot of land that I'll also overpay for and that will not be put to a more productive use; all just so that maybe one or two generations of family and friends might occasionally make a trek there and leave overpriced flowers which I will also never see? If they want to re
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My dad set aside money in his will specifically for a post death family trip to the island of Kauai in the Hawaiian islands that was more than enough to cover plane tickets, accommodations, food and anything else. While we were there with the plan of dispersing his ashes there I know for a fact he was very fond of the idea of everyone having a fun trip to Kauai in his name and we all had a great time.
Anyways, I think your party idea is a fantastic one.
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The inside of your head must be fascinating and terrifying to have given you such a worldview. I don't mean this as an insult, because I am genuinely concerned that your views are not so rare these days. The trouble with perception is that even if it initially is out of step with reality, people eventually force reality to bend to it. I want you to spend at least an hour a day thinking happy thoughts, because the mindset yoy have now is not good for you or anyone else around you.
No thanks (Score:4, Interesting)
For my own outlook, I'd seriously prefer not to live in a situation where I had to live in a steel canister. I'm certain that if I was placed in one because of polio, I'd conveniently "forget" to get back in at some point. But that's me. I love doing things, going places, and experiences. Others might not.
A convenient self-analysis might be, would you rather spend life in prison or be executed? I'd take execution, and as quickly as possible as a preference. I have always been up front with people and my family - once I hear that bell tolling, like a terminal disease diagnosis - I'm checking out. I've seen too much of that deterioration, pain and loss of dignity to think otherwise.
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Do note that this happened to him when he was only six years old. I'm convinced your own love of doing things and going places may have started that young, but was shaped and nurtured over the following years. This man experienced vastly different formative years. It's no surprise that his outlook on life is very different from yours.
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I hope that you (or I) never have to find out, but people seem to be able to adapt to their limits - be it a disability or being in prison.
That man started living in the iron lung when he was 6, so this is the life he knew and got used to. As I understand, he did not want to die and it seems that he managed to accomplish some things (like getting a law degree and practice law) that would seem pointless and difficult considering the condition he was in - the difficulty to write things down or read books for
Re:No thanks (Score:5, Informative)
I would like to point out that this disease was worldwide and common throughout most of human history. Vaccines stomped it out.
We have resurgences now and then because no solution is perfect, but the reason the vast majority of us have never had to worry about polio and may not have even heard of it until now is thanks to vaccines.
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There was a race between a live polio vaccine and a dead virus vaccine. The killed vaccine was the first to market and one early batch caused polio in about 260 cases and killed 11. The live oral vaccine was (and in some places is still) used extensively, and it is known to cause about 3 cases of polio for each million doses.
He stayed in it on purpose! (Score:2)
The most important line in the article:
Advances in medicine made iron lungs obsolete by the 1960s, replaced by ventilators. But Alexander kept living in the cylinder because, he said, he was used to it.
Reading that it went from an incredible story to one of insanity (consider that he required people's assistance at all times).
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Ventilators are used because they're cheaper and more convenient in some ways, not because it's better for the patient. The iron lung pulls air into the patient's lungs more naturally, so the patient is able to speak and doesn't need to be sedated to oblivion. Having tubes shoved in your airways is not a pleasant experience, and it's not something that works well in the long term. Most iron lung patients don't want to lose the last bit of their agency so there is (or used to be) a community of iron lung pat
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A convenient self-analysis might be, would you rather spend life in prison or be executed? I'd take execution, and as quickly as possible as a preference.
This take is incredibly popular -- many, perhaps most, people (who aren't actually facing imprisonment) claim they would choose death over going to prison.
And yet, while prison suicide rates are much higher than in the general public, it's still only a small fraction of the prison population who, when it comes down to it, actually kill themselves. It turns out that when the choice becomes real rather than theoretical, people will cling much more tightly to life than they think they will.
Re:No thanks (Score:4, Interesting)
It's funny how so many people in good health will talk a big game about such things but somehow when faced with death the vast majority cling on to life for all they're worth. Maybe you're one of the rare ones that when faced with terminal illness you'll walk your talk but to talk with such assurance in regards to something that so few ever follow through on just sounds both arrogant and naive to me.
It's like the guy who talks about how if they were ever facing an armed attacker they'd just kick their ass and save the day. Maybe but probably not.
Furthermore, this guy made a lot with the life he was delt earning himself a law degree and practicing law and eventually getting to the point where he could spend small amounts of time outside the lung. He likely forged plenty of friendships and personal relationships along the way as well. He wouldn't have achieved any of that if he had just given up and died.
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It's funny how so many people in good health will talk a big game about such things but somehow when faced with death the vast majority cling on to life for all they're worth. Maybe you're one of the rare ones that when faced with terminal illness you'll walk your talk but to talk with such assurance in regards to something that so few ever follow through on just sounds both arrogant and naive to me.
In fairness though there aren't many good options. Once you're beyond a certain point, suicide becomes very d
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Once you're beyond a certain point, suicide becomes very difficult, it's only something you can do before you succumb.
But it's something you can prepare for in advance.
And this applies to the social aspects as well as the technical ones.
Watching a relative get destroyed by Alzheimers at the moment.
My sincerest sympathies, to you, and yours!
I don't mean to be crass, but I wonder if you're aware of the findings regarding 40 Hz sound and light therapy for mitigating (not curing) the progression of the disease? I only mention it because it would be relatively cheap and trivial to implement...
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Really all I'm getting at that it's awfully easy to talk a big game about what you'd do if faced with a bad death when you're in good health. It's a whole other thing when you're staring oblivion in the eyes. As I said before, to talk with such assurance about what you'd do when faced with said oblivion isn't any different than talking about taking dramatic action while unarmed against armed attackers. The fact is unless youve been in that spot you have no real idea what you'll do or want once you're in it.
Re:No thanks (Score:4, Interesting)
Humans are innately adaptable, it's really our absolutely most beneficial evolutionary advantage.
I got to find it again but I had read a study that surveyed amputees and it showed after a certain amount of time the vast majority of them qualify their own quality-of-life around the same as non-amputees. It becomes remarkably easy for things to just become "the new normal".
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When I read stories like this I have to shudder. Life inside a metal tube with pumps and gizmos keeping you alive to spend more time in the metal tube.
While some posters in here advocate for grasping for that last millisecond of life, no matter the situation, there is a whole spectrum of outlooks to a whole spectrum of people.
For my own outlook, I'd seriously prefer not to live in a situation where I had to live in a steel canister. I'm certain that if I was placed in one because of polio, I'd conveniently "forget" to get back in at some point. But that's me. I love doing things, going places, and experiences. Others might not.
A convenient self-analysis might be, would you rather spend life in prison or be executed? I'd take execution, and as quickly as possible as a preference. I have always been up front with people and my family - once I hear that bell tolling, like a terminal disease diagnosis - I'm checking out. I've seen too much of that deterioration, pain and loss of dignity to think otherwise.
I'm reminded of that saying "No one wants to live to be 100 until they're 99."
But he didn't! (Score:2)
>For my own outlook, I'd seriously prefer not to live in a situation
>where I had to live in a steel canister.
But he didn't!
"After years, Alexander eventually learned to breathe by himself so that he was able to leave the lung for short periods of time"
He learned to breathe in and out on his own.
But, as it was a conscious act, it wasn't something he could do while thinking.
Nonetheless he spent significant time out of the device.
AFAIK, he was the only one who ever learned to do this.
hawk
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When I read stories like this I have to shudder. Life inside a metal tube with pumps and gizmos keeping you alive to spend more time in the metal tube.
I think the same way you do.
For my own outlook, I'd seriously prefer not to live in a situation where I had to live in a steel canister.
And yet when we find ourselves in these positions that we know how we would act, we don't act like that. We are wrong.
Reality is FAR more intense and detailed than we expect. When we find ourselves in these situations, we either adapt or die. The man in question chose to adapt. He was right, we are wrong. He is dead, we are alive.
That which doesn't kill you (Score:2)
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Except for most diseases, actually.
Goodbye, Mr. Frump (Score:2)
Well, unfortunately, soon it came to be
Mr. Frump's dying day
And now I bring to you the very last thing
That Mr. Frump had to say...
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Not mentioned: he died of Covid (Score:5, Informative)
Not mentioned in the news: he died of covid. We're currently creating a new generation of people wounded by a virus in long covid patients. For polio, we broke out all our medical and engineering ingenuity to eradicate the virus and to support its survivors. Instead today we are carefully ignoring covid and the huge numbers of people it leaves injured or disabled.
So after all that, for an accomplished life-long polio survivor to be killed by covid has some really painful poetry to it.
Thank goodness (Score:1, Offtopic)
We eradicated Polio, but with their constant anti-vaccine nonsense and fear-mongering the Republicans are bringing it back, baby! Woo hoo!
Re:Thank goodness (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, Measles are back, why not Polio?
We can do it! Make America Sick Again.
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Yeah except the measles brought by illegals, have an outbreak in Chicago from the "new arrivals", meaning diseased unvetted randoms the Biden administration lets pour over our border and then makes states pay billions for this lawlessness.
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People could get their vaccines and not have that problem...
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Wrong, most people could get vaccine and not have problem.
Here's the reality, 95% will get immnunity from first vaccination as infant. Then when 2nd shot around age 4-6 the number gets to 97%.
Never 100% percent, those 3-5 percent will be in bad shape if a diseased illegal let in by Biden administration lawlessness and lack of vetting including disease vetting/vaccination deficiency vetting that was done in past.
Conclusion, the Biden administration is letting in diseased illegals that are a threat even to a
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Even those who don't gain immunity from vaccination will benefit from there being so few potential carriers out there assuming others also get their vaccinations.
Keep in mind, the diseases can also come in from wealthy foreign tourists.
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Here in Chicago, the disease came from illegals, it's in the news. Biden administration in their wokeness think lawlessness including lawless border with disease and deadly narcotics flowing over is social progress.
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So 15 people out of thousands shipped to Chicago by the governor of Texas who hadn't been immunized got the measles. Now they're immunized.
So apparently the Republican governor of Texas thought sending them to Chicago was the right thing to do.
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Guess again, Biden administration is shipping them in.
Utterly lawless.
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What nonsense are you trying to spew saying "now they're immunized". Immunization does nothing when a person already has the disease as those diseased illegal immigration criminal had.
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False. With the first vaccination, 95% get immunity and that is to age 4-6 when 2nd shot in series is given it gets to nice 97 or more value depending which study you accept... but it's never 100 percent and people have had measles even while vaccinated. It fades with age and with certain conditions and diseases too.
So, it's preventable for most people, except when it isn't. Sucks to be in that small percentile when a diseased illegal alien comes by, like in Chicago.
Normally and in the past, immigrants
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So, it's preventable for most people, except when it isn't. Sucks to be in that small percentile when a diseased illegal alien comes by, like in Chicago.
Unvaccinated American citizens are just as much of a threat to those vaccinated exceptions as those dirty aliens, and there are many, many more of them.
You remind me of Joseph Goebbels narrative of Jews as carriers of disease.
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And you think they could have infected any remotely relevant number if a relevant number of people were still immune? You'll always have a few people who will get sick even despite a vaccine. As you might have noticed with Covid lately. Yes, vaccines are not a panacea, there is no "100% perfect" vaccine. No, not even with a vaccine like that against Measles that has been in existence for over half a century.
Now, you may wonder why we still had no relevant outbreaks in the past. I mean, let's be honest here,
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You seem to be confused about something, you think a measles vaccination series confers 100% immunity? doesn't fade with age? doesn't fade with autoimmune diseases?
You are just a typical libtard spouting off virtue signalling while being utterly ignorant of science.
We have had measles outbreaks in the past, you're ignorant of history too.
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Where the hell did I say any of that? Did you even read what I wrote there?
No vaccine is 100% perfect. But if you have a vaccine that conveys about 95% immunity and you have a 95% vaccination status in your population, an outbreak becomes virtually impossible because the odd person that could transmit the disease has a very low chance of "finding" someone to transmit it to.
If you have an unvaccinated population, the chance of finding such a person is, well, close to 100% (because there are always people tha
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Well, Measles are back, why not Polio?
We can do it! Make America Sick Again.
This is a good post... however Polio hasn't been wiped out worldwide, neither have measles, we've only gotten rid of them in the developed world, there are still cases in the developing and undeveloped world.
You'd have to be a complete fool to assume that it couldn't travel from the poorest parts of India to the US... then again if COVID taught us anything we have no shortage of fools who'll believe anything, no matter how outlandish, spurious of irrational if it means not having to face up to a slightly
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I think Smallpox is the only disease that has been completely wiped out by human actions in recorded history.
It only exists in some research labs in various countries anymore. True.
Let's now also realize that some of these countries keep telling our idiots to not get vaccinated for various diseases and now ponder whether a country has a problem with infecting some of their citizens with it and sending them over when they have no problem sending them to a meat grinder in a war.
...of Covid (Score:4, Interesting)
But.. vaccines? (Score:2)
Oh, horrors, who would take a vaccine that might make you stupid... (chance being one in how many decimal places to the right?).
Older in depth article about Paul (Score:2)
https://www.theguardian.com/so... [theguardian.com]
What did him in (Score:1)
Did anyone mention yet that COVID contributed to his death. Obviously someone did not observer protocol and brought the disease in to him. Its unlikely that he went out and got himself sick.
Paul Alexander (Score:1)