First Lab-Grown Eel Meat Revealed (theguardian.com) 110
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: The first lab-grown freshwater eel meat has been produced, potentially solving a diner's dilemma. Rampant overfishing has caused eel populations to plummet and prices to soar, but the cultivated eel could provide the delicacy guilt-free. The eel meat was produced by Forsea Foods in Israel from embryonic cells of a freshwater eel. The company collaborated with a Japanese chef to create unagi kabayaki, marinated grilled eel over rice, and unagi nigiri, a type of sushi.
The company aims to scale up its operation and have the cultivated eel on sale in about two years. Japan's prime minister, Fumio Kishida, last year backed the development of a cultivated meat industry. The restaurant price in Japan is about $250 a kilogram, and Forsea Foods expects the price of the cultivated eel to match that of the wild-caught eel. [...] Forsea Foods' strategy is to target species at risk of extinction in the wild that also command high prices in restaurants and shops, with eel meeting both criteria. The very complex life cycle of eels, involving long migrations from rivers to the ocean and several distinct life stages, means it is not possible to farm them like some fish.
The cultivated eel was produced using organoids, tiny bundles of tissue originally developed for use in medical research. The organoids are made of embryonic stem cells taken from fertilized eel eggs. These cells can develop into any kind of tissue and, as they grow, they self-organize into the structure of real meat. The final product also contains some plant-based ingredients. Other approaches to cultivated meat require greater use of expensive growth factor chemicals and scaffolds for cells to grow on [...]. The technique is particularly suited to fish and seafood, whose meat is fairly uniform unlike, for example, marbled beef, he said. Like other cultivated meat, the product is not produced using antibiotics or hormones. Forsea Foods is the only company known to be producing cultivated meat using this technology. The company has raised $5.2 million in investment, with more expected to be announced soon.
The company aims to scale up its operation and have the cultivated eel on sale in about two years. Japan's prime minister, Fumio Kishida, last year backed the development of a cultivated meat industry. The restaurant price in Japan is about $250 a kilogram, and Forsea Foods expects the price of the cultivated eel to match that of the wild-caught eel. [...] Forsea Foods' strategy is to target species at risk of extinction in the wild that also command high prices in restaurants and shops, with eel meeting both criteria. The very complex life cycle of eels, involving long migrations from rivers to the ocean and several distinct life stages, means it is not possible to farm them like some fish.
The cultivated eel was produced using organoids, tiny bundles of tissue originally developed for use in medical research. The organoids are made of embryonic stem cells taken from fertilized eel eggs. These cells can develop into any kind of tissue and, as they grow, they self-organize into the structure of real meat. The final product also contains some plant-based ingredients. Other approaches to cultivated meat require greater use of expensive growth factor chemicals and scaffolds for cells to grow on [...]. The technique is particularly suited to fish and seafood, whose meat is fairly uniform unlike, for example, marbled beef, he said. Like other cultivated meat, the product is not produced using antibiotics or hormones. Forsea Foods is the only company known to be producing cultivated meat using this technology. The company has raised $5.2 million in investment, with more expected to be announced soon.
No Way (Score:3)
I well never eat lab-grown meat of any kind because it will all probably taste like an eel!
Oh, wait...
Re:No Way (Score:5, Funny)
I well never eat lab-grown meat of any kind because it will all probably taste like an eel!
Oh, wait...
Sounds like a slippery slope to me.
Re:No Way (Score:5, Funny)
Shocking, simply shocking.
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TFS made no mention of electric eels. My guess is they're probably still the petrol-fueled sort, because it's still kind of inconvenient when you've got a sushi craving but first have to find a place to recharge your eel.
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> Sounds like a slippery slope to me.
Not at all, it tastes 'eely' good ;-)
Re:No Way (Score:5, Funny)
I well never eat lab-grown meat of any kind because it will all probably taste like an eel!
Or, as per Better Off Ted [wikipedia.org] (S1E2) Heroes [fandom.com]: Tasting meat made in the lab [youtube.com] ...
Jerome: It tastes familiar.
Ted: Beef?
Jerome: No.
Linda: Chicken? We'll take chicken.
Ted: What does it taste like?
Jerome: Despair.
Ted: Is it possible it just needs salt?
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Transparent, like glass, and just as fragile.
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Me - I'll wait this one out. I don't trust this technology..maybe I will down the road but not now.
After decades of trying to figure out how to improve my nutritional intake the only thing I have concluded for sure is keep it natural and keep it simple. Remember, there are those that will tell you all those chemical preservatives are just fine. But, enjoy and let us know how it turns out.
Lab meat is the future (Score:5, Interesting)
Can't beat the lower environmental impact, the reduction in need to protect against contamination by disease or illness, the fact it can be done in cities instead of requiring vast tracts of land, etc. Then add in some bonus genetic modification to make it healthier for you.
Animal welfare issues are a distant concern compared to the economic ones, but those are resolved too.
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It's not just the future, it's already here. They call it "hot dogs." I mean, what else could explain the taste and texture of those "tube steaks"?
Re:Lab meat is the future (Score:4, Funny)
Your mom can explain the taste and texture of tube steak.
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Products like hot dogs and chicken nuggets are made from leftover meat scraps that can be sold as more expensive items. This is, to me, far worse than lab meat and I try not to think about it as I consume those products.
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You can't even buy generic cola that tastes exactly like Coke, and that's entirely man-made to begin with. While there certainly is room in the marketplace for lab grown meat, it will never taste exactly like the real thing. Besides, even among the real stuff there's significant variation in quality; I'm not even sure how this stuff [walmart.com] passes as suitable for human consumption, and that's ostensibly from the same animal as filet mignon.
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Also, your analogy to brands of cola doesn't really work unless someone trademarks/registers a meat flavour and prevents others from copying it.
Trademarks only prevent you from calling your competing beverage "Coke", you're still completely free to make it taste exactly the same, if you can.
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You are right but coke isn't patented, if it was it would be reproducible by now. However on the point of has anybody come close to reproducing the flavor of coke you are wrong. Its close enough at least.
From here https://daily.jstor.org/the-co... [jstor.org]
There where 2 studies:
In the first part of the study, participants were given Coca-Cola, Pepsi, or RC Cola. When asked to guess which was which, participants’ guesses (41% correct for Coca-Cola, 38% for Pepsi and 35% for RC) were not significantly more accurate than chance
A similar study from 1983 (not currently on JSTOR, but you can read the abstract here) found that participants couldn’t tell when they were given Coca-Cola in a Pepsi bottle or vice versa.
The reason we think its different is marketing. It happens other places too like for water put it in a fancy bottle, and people swear it tastes better, even if its from the same hose.
Its probably why new coke failed, not because it tastes wors
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Re: Lab meat is the future (Score:2)
If people had infinite time thatâ(TM)s be true, but as it stands people eat mediocre meat based food because it takes really good vegan food that takes much more time and effort to compare to it.
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This isn't criticism, just information. But in my experience, and in the experience of other vegetarians and vegans I've talked to who used to eat meat: you have a desiring for meat for like a couple weeks, but then it gets entirely replaced by desires for other foods, while the concept of eating meat steadily seems grosser and grosser. Like, if you want something that makes my mouth water thinking about it, it's not going to be a hamburger, it's going to be something like falafel. Even though I grew up ea
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This isn't criticism, just information. But in my experience, and in the experience of other vegetarians and vegans I've talked to who used to eat meat: you have a desiring for meat for like a couple weeks, but then it gets entirely replaced by desires for other foods, while the concept of eating meat steadily seems grosser and grosser. Like, if you want something that makes my mouth water thinking about it, it's not going to be a hamburger, it's going to be something like falafel. Even though I grew up eating meat.
The foods that replace meat in your desires are generally ones with similar nutritional properties - fatty, protein-rich, etc. The mind isn't really requesting "meat", it's requesting fat, protein, etc.
I've always wondered though What creates the vegan need to shame, and impress others with their superiority? I have vegetarian friends and colleagues, most are not overbearing.
In a university environment, I've been around a fair number of vegans, and the meme has some merit. Certainly not to say that all vegans are that way, but enough to make the stereotype accurate.
Just as one example, We employed a vegan for a while in my group. To keep her from another of her lectures, we only had permissible snack
Animal issues (Score:3)
Well, there's that whole "animal has to die for you" thing. It's a little difficult to put a similar weighting on those who don't eat animals, though it's worth noting that raising and harvesting vegetables tends to be pretty hard on vegetable-consuming wildlife, barring some really careful farming.
Personally, I think cultured meat offers an excellent path forward, presuming we can make it work. Which actually kind of looks like it is going to happen.
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No its not hard to put the whole animal has to die thing on vegans either, if they are extreme. They will not some won't eat food cooked in the same kitchen as meat, with the same utensils, or have people eat meat in the same resturant. Going to these extremes causes animals to die, you have to build extra facilities, use extra farm land, while not directly killing the animal your are taking their resources so you can effectively feel good about yourself.
Just look what the example extreme vegan did, wasted
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Me I am sort of vegetarian, but if a bit of meat "contaminates" my food, don't care or is going to waste I will eat it. For me its about not creating extra demand for killing animals, not appearing to be good. I also have no interest in converting others, my mere existence on the planet means other things die, I am far from perfect. It is for each person to decide for themselves.
Notice the difference here, between you and so many vegans. I don'r know any "I'm better than you" vegetarians, and I've never had issues.
For full disclosure, I did know one vegan - actually a fruitarian - who dod not fit the mold. She ran a vegetarian food truck, and made some kickass sandwiches. Miso pate with alfalfa spouts on whole wheat and oatmeal bread was my favorite.
She was the sweetest woman, kind and friendly, no lectures or attitude from her. You didn't find out she was a fruitarian until y
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Well, there's that whole "animal has to die for you" thing. It's a little difficult to put a similar weighting on those who don't eat animals, though it's worth noting that raising and harvesting vegetables tends to be pretty hard on vegetable-consuming wildlife, barring some really careful farming.
Personally, I think cultured meat offers an excellent path forward, presuming we can make it work. Which actually kind of looks like it is going to happen.
Still, vegans are just as much killers as any human. They either kill life themselves, or pay others to kill life for them. That is an inescapable fact - unless they eat rocks. I would be happy to go to cultured meat. It is a zero cruelty zero harm to other animals solution that allows humans to get their required nutriments.
What is more, just imagine the exotic meats that will be available, without harming any animals.
What will be interesting is the loss of the vegan superiority narrative.
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This argument specifically validates humans eating other humans. 0/10. More generally, it says that "because other predators X without concern, we can X without concern." Also 0/10.
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While I have absolutely seen the overbearing vegetarian or vegan in my experience it's more often the overbearing meat eater giving a friend of mine shit for having the nerve to sit there quietly not eating meat. Some people just can't stand the fact that some do things differently and act like their mere presence is a challenge to how they live.
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While I have absolutely seen the overbearing vegetarian or vegan in my experience it's more often the overbearing meat eater giving a friend of mine shit for having the nerve to sit there quietly not eating meat. Some people just can't stand the fact that some do things differently and act like their mere presence is a challenge to how they live.
There is an interesting difference. If I have vegans over to my place for an evening or a party. I will go out of my way to prepare a special meal for them that has no animal products.
If invited to a vegan's place, not one will prepare a meal with anything other than vegan food.
And I'm not familiar with the shit dealing meat eater you reference. If we would have dared to criticize vegans on campus, a trip to HR and sensitivity training and possibly a warning against our employment would be the order
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If invited to a vegan's place, not one will prepare a meal with anything other than vegan food.
Well sure. People who eat meat can still eat vegetables. If you're incredibly picky and the idea of a meal made of exclusively veggies is so appalling to you then you should say so ahead of time if you're going to the home of vegetarians. If they're your friends you'll be able to work something out with them, they're your friends after all. If they're not your friends and it's that much of an issue for you then just dont go.
On top of that, why should vegetarians make a separate meal for me made of something
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If invited to a vegan's place, not one will prepare a meal with anything other than vegan food.
Well sure. People who eat meat can still eat vegetables. If you're incredibly picky and the idea of a meal made of exclusively veggies is so appalling to you then you should say so ahead of time if you're going to the home of vegetarians.
Oh dear - why do I reply to trolls - I'll give you this and thenignore you which you deserve. You do a pretty good job of not getting it - doesn't make you look as smart as you think you are.
What most people understand is that the vegan demands special treatment, but does not reciprocate, which I find completely in line with what I've experienced vith the genre.
Has nothing to do with your idea that I or anyone else feel about vegetables.
And I'm not familiar with the shit dealing meat eater you reference.
You probably don't hang out with many vegetarians then.
Vegetarians are not vegans. I have no issues with vegetarians.
If we would have dared to criticize vegans on campus...
This strikes me as exactly what I'm talking about. Why are you even criticizing them? If they're not giving you shit why are you giving them shit?
Beca
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What most people understand is that the vegan demands special treatment, but does not reciprocate, which I find completely in line with what I've experienced vith the genre.
Right, I'm a troll because I think it's not okay to ask people to cook food that they have moral objections to. What a monster I am.
Its also rich you calling me a troll when you are the one with a history of putting words in my mouth that I'm not saying and then getting upset when I treat you poorly over that.
Give me a fucking break...
Vegetarians are not vegans. I have no issues with vegetarians.
For starters I was just short cutting and typing just vegetarian because they both have very similar limited diets stemming from similar moral objections. I honestly didn't th
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I've always wondered though What creates the vegan need to shame, and impress others with their superiority?
It is the person, not the Veganism. If they weren't a Vegan, they would be telling you how they don't own a TV, or how great CrossFit is, or about their religion, or... It is a psychological need to be seen as better than others. Many of these people you are referencing are Vegan BECAUSE it gives them something to be superior about.
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You mean omnivores?
Humans have claws?
Humans have a "hunting instinct"? Like, most humans freak out if a mouse walks past them.
Are you sure that when you write "people" you don't actually mean "cats"?
Hunter-gather societies around the world have widely varied ratios of animal vs plant calories, but in most, plant-based calories dominate, often dramatically. There are hunter-gatherer societies where ~90% of calories are sago (beaten palm-trunk starch) alone. And most of the "meat" is things like sago grubs.
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Nobody is going to be replicating the exact flavor of Coca-Cola until other companies are also permitted to import the Coca plant to flavor it. They may not get to keep the cocaine from their import (that goes to a pharmaceutical company), but it's still that exotic ingredient that's literally impossible for anyone else to obtain. It would be just as difficult to replicate the flavor of a cow's meat, if a ranch's industry secret was raising it on cocaine, even if you had the same breed and similar condition
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I enjoy food quite a bit, and I've got the belly to prove it. You just don't grind your best cuts into ground beef. Ground beef is the best use for the tough meat, and the worst use for the tender meat. The whole point of the grinding process is that the meat is effectively pre-chewed for you, so whether the meat was tough or tender, you end up with about the same consistency. Flavor may vary a bit from cow to cow, but at the end of the day, beef is beef.
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"even among the real stuff there's significant variation in quality" I see, so even the real stuff doesn't taste like the real stuff. Will the real stuff please stand up and say "here"? Maybe being the real stuff is a quantum property, it is there but only if you do not taste it.
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Good ol' No True Scottsman argument.
This cultivated eel is made from stem cells taken from a fertilized eel egg. It's eel meat. This isn't some ultra processed plant based meat like the Impossible Burgers (not knocking them though... those do taste pretty great IMO). I don't see why meat eaters would get up in arms about eating meat that was grown specifically to be meat; That's the direction cows have been going for ages anyway. If they were REALLY into eating only REAL animals, then they'd stick to wild g
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Good ol' No True Scottsman argument. This cultivated eel is made from stem cells taken from a fertilized eel egg. It's eel meat. This isn't some ultra processed plant based meat like the Impossible Burgers (not knocking them though... those do taste pretty great IMO). I don't see why meat eaters would get up in arms about eating meat that was grown specifically to be meat; That's the direction cows have been going for ages anyway. If they were REALLY into eating only REAL animals, then they'd stick to wild game, no?
This. A veggie burger is not some sort of sin against humanity, and it's difficult to see lab grown meat as a sin either.
Mebbe I'm a troll, but on a social media site I posted a picture and description of a meal I like - A veggie burger topped with my home made bacon. That got a lot of reponses! Veggie burgers can be darned good, although a few varieties are way over-spiced.
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Once again, this proves that BACON is the world's most perfect food!!
It is the only food you wrap around other food to make it taste better!!!
Bready or not, here I come (Score:2)
Bread would like to have a word... pita... buns... sandwiches in general... stuffed vegetables... etc.
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Nope..bread is just something to HOLD food together....NOT a flavor enhancer.
Bread, for the most part is bland and flavorless.
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I dunno..I live in New Orleans...with quality French bread, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a good stuff poboy...but to me bread is a lot like a baked potato.
To me a potato is pretty much flavorless...just a 'binder' for sour cream, butter, salt, pepper and cheese. I always have mine in a bowl and by the time I'm finished with it...looks
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Bread would like to have a word... pita... buns... sandwiches in general... stuffed vegetables... etc.
Bread has the advantages of so many different ingredient possibilities. Some rye or oatmeal bread, toasted with peanut butter - there's a sammich that vegans vegetarians and omnivores alike can like.
If you're daring and eat meat, some crisp bacon on that with the Peanut butter is hella good.
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Once again, this proves that BACON is the world's most perfect food!!
It is the only food you wrap around other food to make it taste better!!!
Salty, smokey, a bit crunchy, caramalization of the fat. Damn, I know what I'm having for dinner tomorrow.
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You can't even buy generic cola that tastes exactly like Coke, and that's entirely man-made to begin with. While there certainly is room in the marketplace for lab grown meat, it will never taste exactly like the real thing. Besides, even among the real stuff there's significant variation in quality; I'm not even sure how this stuff [walmart.com] passes as suitable for human consumption, and that's ostensibly from the same animal as filet mignon.
Walmart is known to add a saline solution to ground beef to preserve the color (make it look fresher longer). If an animal died to give you food, the least you could do is treat the meat with respect.
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Can't beat the lower environmental impact, .
Is it though? https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/n... [ucdavis.edu]
Sounds to me like maybe it could be some day, but probably isn't right now.
Eel is delicious (Score:3)
I wasn't aware that when I go to my local sushi joint and order a Caterpillar roll, that I was contributing to the possible extinction of a species. I had always figured that eel is farm-raised and was a safe choice.
I've actively tried to get my friends to try it just because the name is ick, but eel is actually really good.
I can't wait until the lab-grown variety is widely available.
Re:Eel is delicious (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not sure about other places but I remember reading that eels in Japan are farm raised but from wild caught babies since they do not reproduce in captivity. While this ensure that more of these babies can reach adulthood and a large supply of unagi, it probably does not help with maintaining the overall population in the wild.
I do love unagi, and if they can make it taste the same with the same texture ... I'll be happy to try it.
All have to say is (Score:1)
Eeeewl
Re:All have to say is (Score:4, Funny)
Eeeewl
They got into your hovercraft again, I presume?
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They got into your hovercraft again, I presume?
I've had it with these motherfucking eels on this motherfucking hovercraft!
Do you know what that sound is? (Score:3, Funny)
Re: Do you know what that sound is? (Score:4, Funny)
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No more rhymes! I MEAN it!
Re: Do you know what that sound is? (Score:1)
Count me in (Score:5, Insightful)
I am not a vegetarian
I am god damn red blooded red necked murderous carnivore
But I have passionate love and connection with all animals. I look into their eyes and feel what they feel
I eat dead animals and fish and other organisms and feel intense pleasure when i get a delicious one, from game steaks to fine steak tartare to sushi
I feel a guilt but my carnivore nature prevails because hunger and delicious
If you feed me eel or cow or pig and it came from a lab and it gives my taste buds that feeling, for a similar price, you have my loyalty and my money, and I will never eat a real animal
Same goes for beef, pork, chicken, deer, salmon, tuna, etc.
Make it happen and solve my carnivore conflicts
Re:Count me in (Score:4, Funny)
It won't be the same, for example lab-grown tuna wouldn't have the mercury.
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I am not a vegetarian
I am god damn red blooded red necked murderous carnivore
But I have passionate love and connection with all animals. I look into their eyes and feel what they feel
Yes. It is a fact of life that none of us survives unless we kill something. No exceptions other than some of the chemotropic animals like the life around sea vents. Even there there are carnivores however.
All life is precious. Plant or animal, from single cells to trees to humans. The most "ethical" vegan kills life every day. They just decide that vegetable life is good to kill. They decide that vegetable life is not precious enough.
But we are alive, and in order to maintain our life, we kill to eat to
My precious vs. your precious (Score:2)
Actually, that remark is precious. Because the value of life to itself and to others is a factor that modifies that statement enormously. Trying to put every form of life on an equal footing is outright absurd.
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Actually, that remark is precious. Because the value of life to itself and to others is a factor that modifies that statement enormously. Trying to put every form of life on an equal footing is outright absurd.
What life is not precious? What life is of no value, and can be wasted or treated as such.
Our side has the eels! (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
The fats are critical too (Score:5, Interesting)
And that energy density is probably what makes grilled eel so delicious.
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So just the opposite of salmon, interesting.
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Go to Miami
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Go to Miami
Heyo!
Food vats (Score:1)
Attention!
All red level troubleshooters, please report to the food vats, immediately, for processing.
Thank you, The Computer
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Replicating a gross food is still gross (Score:2)
Basic food groups (Score:2)
I'd expect a Brit to know more about cuisine: Even a journalist for the environment. That's like calling buffalo "wings", a type of potato. A google search revealed Unagi Nigiri is barbecued eel and sushi (rice).
Can Lamprey sub in for Eel? (Score:3)
So, what does Lamprey taste like when prepared the same as Eel?
Imagine hundreds of Great Lake fishing boats out to catch as many Lamprey as possible. Perhaps Lamprey sells no where near the $250 kilogram as Eel. But, even at 1/10 that price, $25 a kilogram would likely be so profitable that hundreds of fishing boats would be able to justify their existence. And the bonus is we get to reduce an invasive species at the same time. Even making Lamprey extinct in the Great Lakes would not mater.
We could even use the left over bits of Lamprey that don't make the cut for human consumption into cat or dog food.
Any comments?
Useful or otherwise?
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Just convince the Chinese that it's an aphrodisiac. They'll be extinct in no time.
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The problem with eel is that it's price is largely due to its rarity.
Its rarity is partially supply related, but it's also demand related. Not many people want to eat it.
Having a stand-in like lamprey won't change that.
Lamprey apparently tastes like squid. Not a great taste, IMO, and definitely an acquired one.
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I think you should reread what I wrote, you misunderstood.
Chicken Little is coming! (Score:3)
Not the sky-is-falling one - this one [ycombinator.com] from The Space Merchants by Pohl and Kornbluth.
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Not filet mignon? (Score:2)
Still not Kosher (Score:2)
The rules of Kosher are simple: if it lives in the water, it must have scales to be edible. This excludes eel (as well as crab, lobster, oysters, sturgeon and catfish)...
Now lab-grown could work — because it is fake — but, given rabbinate's earlier refusal to approve fake pork [isahalal.com], I doubt, they'll approve fake eel either. Then again, fake crab is fine — because it is made from regular (scaly) fish...
Bah (Score:2)
You do realize that the entire population of Israel is not superstitious, right? Many Israelis don't give a flying fuck what rabbis say.
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Superstitions — like fears of number 13 and black cats — are what people resort to, when religion is taken from them :-)
Most care [pewresearch.org], though.
What you could've pointed out is that it is not wrong for observant Jews to produce non-Kosher foods — as long as they don't eat them. That would've been a valid point.
But you didn't — such was your urge to attack the reli
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Religion is superstition. 100% accurate.
You have confused a factual descriptor with an attack. 0/10.
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Ultimate Processed Food (Score:2)
For those of you who avoid processed food, you should avoid any "meat" grown in a vat.
Eel No (Score:2)
Love it! (Score:3)
fantastic (Score:2)
Fantastic, just what I wanted in the "fresh horrors" department: taking something disturbing and using it to create something disgusting.
Eel meat!!??!! (Score:2)