Urban Youth Most Isolated in Largest Cities (nature.com) 101
GPS data reveal that young people encounter fewer individuals from diverse groups than do adults. The isolation of young people is exacerbated in larger cities, and for those living in poverty. Abstract from a paper: We find that students in major metropolitan areas experience more racial and income isolation, spend more time at home, stay closer to home when they do leave, and visit fewer restaurants and retail establishments than adults. Looking across levels of income, students from higher-income families visit more amenities, spend more time outside of the home, and explore more unique locations than low-income students. Combining a number of measures into an index of urban mobility, we find that, conditional on income, urban mobility is positively correlated with home neighborhood characteristics such as distance from the urban core, car ownership and social capital.
It's the cars (Score:2, Insightful)
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There's city and then there's city.
Philadelphia is a great example. The downtown is generally quite lovely, clean, and everything (offices, residential, universities, museums, hospitals, stadiums) is within walking distance of the Market Street or Broad Street subway or the central core of the Regional Rail.
Then there's North Philly.
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Re: It's the cars (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: It's the cars (Score:5, Interesting)
Also let's consider the implications or travelling by bus in the summer in Miami or Houston where you likely could have multiple blocks to walk to the bus, to the next bus and to your destination.
Florida has 4 major metros, all with no mass transit outside of busses. In every town the bus system is considered for "the poors" because they are sporadic, spread out and it's hot and humid as balls for more than half the city.
Also the traffic in all these cities can be terrible and almost none of the lines are dedicated lanes so you are at the mercy of all the cars anyway.
Yeah outside of NYC, DC or Chicago you basically require a car and even then NYC is the only city in America that has public transport close to level of most Asian or European metros.
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Yeah outside of NYC, DC or Chicago you basically require a car and even then NYC is the only city in America that has public transport close to level of most Asian or European metros.
God do I love NYC for this as I enjoy living without a car. When traveling there you dont even need to stay in the city itself to not need a car as Long Island is well set up with rail and accommodations are much cheaper out there.
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As a resident of Orlando and with my knowledge of SoFLa, I can say that both metros do offer mass transit by train, although at least for Orlando, it's woefully inadequate (only useful for a super small contingent that live/work/play in a narrow north-south corridor) and so your point does still stand.
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mass transit outside of busses
Calling the busses in the Tampa Bay area mass transit is a joke.
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They can't take the bus? I've been to a number of cities for business or pleasure where I've been able to get around just fine and see all of the various amenities or other interesting things without a car. Sometimes I'm fortunate enough where many of those things are in walking distance, but even in cases where I've had to cut around a large metro area to get between parks or museums, the bus system has always been adequate even if not as convenient as a car.
Of course they *can*. For important events like medical appointments they probably do. The mobility described in the study does not refer to the possibility of moving around the city, rather the ease with which one *can* move around.
Think of it like the age old quandary of going to the gym. Even with a gym on the other side of the city you *can* go there, but if you have one next door you are far more likely to use it. The issue is one of convenience and perceived time/effort spent without gain (time spent
No, they can't (Score:3)
If you're thinking, who cares their kids they've got nothing but time, that's not true anymore. Schools now give between 3 and 5 hours of homework at night on weeknights and more on the weekends. We've started to do the Japan style cram school thing with our kids because there aren't enough good paying jobs for all the peopl
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The idea that unless you live in a gian
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The idea that unless you live in a giant metropolis like New York City that you can't possibly have good public transportation is simply not true.
It's not that you can't possibly have good PT, it's that you don't. Because American cities are shit at it because they don't want to be good. I'm sure there are exceptions like your wonderful town but, like, it's pretty obvious.
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I regularly don't use it as I have a car
And when this is the prevailing thought we can't really question why there's no desire to develop it.
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I also don't think your points about the suburbs being bad have any merit.
There is a pretty large body of literature about the suburbs and the negative outcomes.
Playlist: The Suburban Wasteland [youtube.com]
This author of this video series cites all his research, it's a really interesting delve into the topic. It doesn't mean they're all bad or that people are bad for living in them but there are definite downsides, in terms of budgets (they rely on subsidies from their central city) , pollution, environmental concerns, mental health concerns, commuting, etc.
Most studies don't actually reco
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That the suburbs are bad is hard to deny, but what do you suggest that is actually both possible and better? All the good scenarios that I can think of START with a lower degree of difference between the upper class and the lower class. The next step is that nearly all people believe that they are treated fairly. This reduces social stresses. After that you can start worrying about where the kids can go to hang out. First you've got to make things relatively safe. Ideally this would be around the scho
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It's a multi factor problem but by far the biggest change any housing advocate on both sides of the aisle agree on is zoning laws. Mixed use zoning, duplexes, quadplexes, 5 over 1's all these things helps. People don't have to be packed into Judge Dredd style megacities but it all starts with building housing where people want to live and also providing amenities for those people living there.
Almost everything else kinda draws on that thread, safety, schools, greenspaces etc. The number one problem is no
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They can't take the bus?
This is America. We don't have those here.
Re: It's the cars (Score:2)
Re: It's the cars (Score:2, Offtopic)
Or get an ebike.
I bought one that goes up to 40mph with up to a 70 mile range, which is basically illegal here in the People's Republic of California. But if OJ Simpson has taught us anything, it's that you can basically do whatever you want here. Hell, last weekend I stopped by office depot to get some stamps, and the guy in front of me snatched a $950 projector from the cashier and ran out the door with it, and they didn't even bother calling the police as far as I could tell. Pretty much the only thing t
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Re: It's the cars (Score:2)
People live there?
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Oh, so you haven't been infected yet. Progressives like to move in to places they haven't ruined yet. Then once they do, they begin to multiply until they've consumed everything, and then they spread. They've already reached metastasis. You'll know they've arrived once they start protesting in front of your steak houses until they serve kale.
A decent used car (Score:3)
You can't really work a part-time job and graduate high school anymore. Most kids are facing 3 to 5 hours of homework a night on weekdays and more on the weekends. There aren't enough jobs to go around so we're going to Japan route and making everything hyper competitive and forcing the k
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It's going to cost you about $15,000 unless you have a family member basically gift you one. Then you need gas and insurance. That's going to be at least another $200 a month probably more. Don't forget maintenance too.
Is there anything in life that you don't consider to be impossible? You completely lack any ability to handle any curveball that life throws at you, and for some reason you think nobody else can either. Why is it you're just utterly incapable of taking things into your own hands? Why is it that you MUST have somebody else's help.
Shit, I've never paid that much for a car in my entire life, and I've had several. The typical price I pay for a car is around $3,000. My first car was a 92 Carolla convertible that
Re: A decent used car (Score:2)
your entire post is one gigantic "just so" story and that is supposed to convince anyone of anything?
all the evidence supports the argument of the person you are responding to. the cheapest state to own a car is alaska and even then its almost $4000 per year
First, that number sounds suspect, second, where do you suppose he got his $15,000 figure from? Remember -- he itemized maintenance and gas separately. Now tell me, what evidence supports this? Because if you want to buy my car for $15,000, I'll be more than happy to sell it to you for that. It runs well, and it's never had any maintenance issues. It had some major body damage 9 years ago, which has long since been fixed. It's definitely the "decent used car" that he was asking for, I'm just making a lot mo
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You can't really work a part-time job and graduate high school anymore. Most kids are facing 3 to 5 hours of homework a night on weekdays and more on the weekends.
Which is it? I read in places that homework is on its way out, because researchers say so. Then you come in, anecdotally, and say your kids are doing more homework than we ever did in the 80s. Then U.S. News comes and says the amount of homework hasn't really changed [usnews.com].
I'm really getting tired of this whole old economy Steve line of thinking where nobody over 40 can comprehend that things have changed. Am I the only person here who put a kid through high school and college and paid enough attention to realize that things aren't like they were when we were kids? Are you all just single or are you all just paying absolutely no attention to your kids?
I raised two daughters. One is a lawyer, the other medical student. It really wasn't that har
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Before cars people lived in ways that we can't even remember. Even the old silent films don't capture them. I do know that the cities were where the moderately rich lived, and the poor were the folks who ended up in the suburbs. Because of commute times. The European cities had "districts" where people of a common persuasion paid extra to live. Some of these were walled off from the rest of the city for security.
You really can't extrapolate back from now to what things were like before cars. But ofte
Re: It's the cars (Score:2)
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AFAICS American suburbs are worse in that respect, yet they do better.
Basically city living is just independently terrible.
Re: It's the cars (Score:2)
They're only worse if you consider mechanized personal transport over moderate distances to be somehow worse than hoofing it over shorter distances as the default.
It's a purely subjective determination given the large numbers of people who actively seek out both.
Re: It's the cars (Score:2)
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Bollocks. People can and do walk around cities. They can and do use public transportation. Especially "the poors".
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Bollocks. People can and do walk around cities.
Yep. And walking makes them "stay closer to home when they do leave, and visit fewer restaurants and retail establishments" if they only go to places they can walk to.
They can and do use public transportation. Especially "the poors".
Depending on the city, of course, but public transportation in many American cities can be pretty slow and not always reliable, and especially in poor neighborhoods. And unless you're lucky, and where you want to go is on the bus line that stops in your neighborhood, you're likely to need one or two transfers, which can mean a ten minute car t
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>and visit fewer restaurants and retail establishments
That's a good thing, because it means you'll quickly notice it's all the same people. So you can go and talk to them. Form friendships. It's what people did for countless millenia in the past.
The whole "but there are so many different places to visit" is a part of what fractures communities. Neighborhood bar is no longer a thing where everyone gathers to get a drink and exchange what's actually happening, talk about fun nothings that happen in everyon
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Your "which can mean a ten minute car trip is an hour bus ride" understates the problem. It's correct IF both the origin and the destination are on major bus lines AND you only need a couple of transfers AND the connecting line is also a major bus line. But that's more of a restriction that is obvious. I've run into a case where both the origin and the destination were on major bus lines (officially once every 20 minutes or less) and only two transfers were needed, but the trip would have taken (official
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In densely populated city? Walk. Get a bicycle. Or a scooter. Or take a bus.
You remind me of the recent trending video from San Fransisco on the topic of "oh noes, we kept stealing from the store, the store is now closing and next nearest store if half a mile that way, WE'RE GOING TO BE A FOOD DESERT NOW" whining on camera from a bunch of obese blacks.
Walk that half a mile there and back. Not only will you get less obese, you may actually encounter people on the way doing something you may join in. Play som
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I used to ride a bicycle all the time. I stopped because the traffic got too dangerous. Partially this was due to increased population density, but partially it was that people became increasingly abusive of lax enforcement of traffic laws. And partially because larger vehicles overfill the lanes, and limit visibility (both by me and by them).
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I've watched enough of Louis Rossmann's biking in NYC to and from work stream to know that this is not how it works. Yes, there are risks. There are always risks. But if you're local and know the local culture, you're going to be fine unless you're highly impulsive and/or stupid.
Re: It's the cars (Score:2)
Not the case in the UK. All the common land is bulldozed for housing and the roads in the city centres are turned into pedestrian zones.
News at 11 (Score:5, Insightful)
People with more money have more options for how to spend their free time. Next up: Is water wet? The answer might surprise you!
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That's the thing with science, even if it's "common sense" somebody has to do the work to actually prove it out. How much human brainpower has gone into just proving "1+1=2"
Before germ theory it was "common sense" that sickness was caused by miasma or "bad humors"
Re: News at 11 (Score:2)
Witchcraft too
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These comments aren't even dumb at this point, they're just boring. Try harder, you owe it to yourself.
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Actually, disease is usually caused by a weakened immune system. Most pathogens are held in check, most of the time, if it is working properly. (And it is not attacking itself; both infection and autoimmune disorders, while seemingly opposite, result from the immune system's failure to properly distinguish between the body's own cells versus potential pathogens.)
Medical professionals are around really nasty pathogens all the time, but rarely get sick (with the arguable exception of COVID, because of the v
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Hence, modern, science-based medicine, before it was effectively outlawed, focused more on prevention of disease (e.g., strengthening the immune system) and not exclusively on treating it.
And by strengthening the immune system you mean getting vaccianted, right?
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Yeah, they did weight those outcomes and it was determined that about 99.9% of children should get vaccinated.
In the case of smallpox it was determined that we should try and vaccinate every single human on the planet and embarked on probably the largest and greatest human accomplishment in history to do it.
If we notice that a deadly disease exists at all that means de factor our human immune system is in fact not equipped to handle it.
Re:News at 11 (Score:5, Insightful)
Generally, no. Science taught us (back when people were listening) that vaccines had both positive and negative effects which needed to be weighed, impartially, to determine which one(s) were appropriate in any given context.
So what you're saying is . . . bullshit. Of course vaccines might have side effects. That's why there is all that testing to determine if it's safe for public use. There is nothing on the planet which we eat/consume/drink/breathe which doesn't have a side effect.
Your anti-vaxx position is clearly indicated by your nonsensical comments trying to sound like they're meaningful. Every study on the planet has shown the benefits of being vaccinated. Every study. Claiming your "natural immunity" is better than science is the exact opposite of what you're trying to claim.
There's a reason smallpox no longer exists (and polio is also almost gone), and it's not beause of "natural immunity".
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Hence, modern, science-based medicine, before it was effectively outlawed
When did this happen exactly?
Medicine does focus on preventing sickness. Just about every doctor on earth recommends to their patients to eat better, exercise more, lose weight but they're just doctors, not dictators, they can't force people to do those things and when people are sick they treat them with what's effective.
focused more on prevention of disease
Yeah, they're called vaccines because no amount of immune strengthening could overcome smallpox or polio or without antibiotics most people's immune systems aren't strengthening against TB
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That's the thing with science, even if it's "common sense" somebody has to do the work to actually prove it out. How much human brainpower has gone into just proving "1+1=2"
Before germ theory it was "common sense" that sickness was caused by miasma or "bad humors"
And then we spent many many millions just to learn that we were off by a single h.
That may be the most expensive typo in the history of mankind.
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And people who live where more things are within walking distance have a lower "average miles traveled from home" so of course their Urban Mobility Index will be lower. So I don't know what this article was trying to prove.
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I thought one of the perks of living in a major city was that everything is within walking distance, is that no longer the case? Is proximity to the things you want/need now a sign of "social poverty".
Class warfare (Score:2, Flamebait)
What we have here is... Failure to redistribute wealth.
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Modern Taxation Theory [medium.com]
The way we think about taxation is wrong. Right now, we talk about taxation as if it confiscates some portion of a transaction while leaving the rest of the transaction untaxed. So, for instance, when someone is paid $100, but only receives $80 after tax, we say that they have been subjected to a $20 (or 20% tax). But this is a myth.
In reality, all transactions are taxed at 100%. The “after tax” amount is actually a transfer payment made by the government to the recipient.
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It's satirical but it's just as valid as "taxation is theft"
Both are nonsense is the point.
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It's satirical but it's just as valid as "taxation is theft"
No, it's ridiculous and taxation is still theft.
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taxation is still theft
Counterpoint: No it isn't.
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This is begging the question because you are already assuming that taxation == stealing from someone. ...the emphasis on distributing the tax burden relative to pretax income is a fundamental mistake. Taxation does not take from people what they already own. Property rights are the product of a set of laws and conventions, of which the tax system forms a central part, so the fairness of taxes can’t be evaluated by their impact on preexisting entitlements. Pretax income has no independent moral signifi
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None of that makes taxation theft though.
If you don't want to pay income taxes just don't make any income. 0% bracket.
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None of that makes taxation theft though.
The simple act of sending the government to steal what you yourself would get shot in the face for doing isn't theft? Note the word "stealing". This is when someone takes what's yours. I am aware Communists and cowards don't like to acknowledge the obvious fact, but it's still a fact. The government steals income. That's how it works. Did you think some other mechanisms were at play beyond theft backed by force? Do you know what happens if you do not let them steal from you?
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No it's not, what is rightfully yours is defined by the law, the law states it you should have to legally pay tax, What is theft is not paying your taxes.
You may think you should not have to pay taxes or as much, but your opinion does not make it theft, just like a native American coming and taking your house because they believe its theirs is theft, because your rights and what is yours is defined by the laws. Now the laws maybe unjust, or politicians may waste money but that is a different issue.
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No what it is is 200% when you make a payment $100, they charge you $200 and then automatically transfer back $180. /sarcasim
But that is not how things work at all, but under your 20% tax system its 20% because that is how much you loose, and does not include some random number you gave and subtracted to do your tax calculation. Actually its less since you also receive goods and services for that money. Tax is much more complicated than that though, some transactions don't get taxed at all, like transferrin
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You don't understand.
Taxation is the only thing that gives fiat money any value at all.
The value of fiat money is that the government will accept it in payment of taxes. Everybody needs to pay taxes, so everybody needs money. If you don't pay the government enough money, it will take your stuff.
Wheat has value when government is not present. Fiat money doesn't. (Well, it's a sort of art work, and an inferior toilet paper, and a clumsy insulator...so saying it doesn't have any intrinsic value is wrong, i
Re:Class warfare (Score:4, Interesting)
If you’re wealthy enough you lobby the government to redistribute the wealth of the poorer folks.
alternate headline (Score:2)
Alternate headline: City Youth Find All They Need Close to Home.
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Alternate-alternate headline: City Youth Forced to Make Do With What They Can Find Close to Home.
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Alternate headline: City Youth Find All They Need Close to Home.
Do they? I mean we've plenty of studies showing that depression, anxiety and loneliness are basically at record highs. I'm not sure crying into a bucket of icecream hits quite as well as going out with your mates.
And the problem is? (Score:4, Informative)
It wasn't so long ago that many Americans (if we're talking about Americans here) engaged in agrarian lifestyles in the boonies with very little human contact outside of a few neighbors and their immediate family. Pre-automobile (and more-importantly, pre-train), many humans would scarcely travel at all.
Re: And the problem is? (Score:2)
Back in the good old days, they couldn't even if they tried unless they got special dispensation from their local feudal lord.
Today we're much more advanced. We have carbon credits and phone tracking that let's these things flow much more smoothly.
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I wasn't gonna go that far back. If you really want to take it to extremes, pre-feudalism it was the same way (if we're talking about what is now the UK) unless they were involved in the tin trade. They would stay in a village or town and do whatever their chieftain would have them do.
In any case, humanity could survive and even thrive in conditions where they did not travel very often and had little contact with outsiders. Yes, the technology was primitive and some of the social institutions (notably: g
Source of data (Score:1)
Is anyone else a little freaked out (Score:3)
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I question where replica is getting the data from though
All of the telcos in the US sell "anonymized" data. IIRC, it is all sold to one company that then resells it to anyone who has cash.
Old news- remember bussing? (Score:2)
I was in the "suburbs" of Minneapolis in the early 1970s and they used to bus inner-city kids out to our school.
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Busing was about offering kids in lousy inner-city schools a chance for a better education in the suburbs. Just ask Kamala Harris, she was that little girl waiting for the bus... [youtu.be]
Think in terms of migration (Score:1)
Humans learned to migrate back and forth between existing populations easily. It's after all how ideas are exchanged. So ask yourself; in terms of the most isolated urban communities are you interested enough in what they are doing to visit them? Logic works both ways.
Sounds like bullshit (Score:3)
"We find that students in major metropolitan areas experience more racial and income isolation, spend more time at home, stay closer to home when they do leave, and visit fewer restaurants and retail establishments than adults"
Wait, seriously? Kids have more limited mobility than adults? There's a shocking thought that never could have occurred to me.
And how do they distinguish between students, teachers, kids, adults, and income from GPS data? They actually can't, they just "infer it". From the study:
"We have no direct information about the device’s user, so must infer whether a device is a student and any demographics, such as race and income, using the location histories of the device."
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I am shocked to earn that kids have less disposable income to go to restaurants and go shopping with than their dual-income, no kids neighbors in the city... amazing!
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I am shocked to earn that kids have less disposable income to go to restaurants and go shopping with than their dual-income, no kids neighbors in the city... amazing!
So many amazing insights in this study
Yep (Score:2)
If adults don't take kids around their city, the kids won't go. Hell, there was a news story a few years ago, about some kid from southwest Chicago (black neighborhood) who literally did not know he could go downtown - he thought it was some other gang's territory.
And smaller cities and strips of burbs are far, far worse. "Public transit"? When I lived on the Space Coast of FL, 20 years ago, I had to leave my vehicle for repair. Then catch the bus, which ran once and HOUR for "rush hour", and once every TWO
The issue isn't mass transit... (Score:2)
The issue isn't a lack of public common areas (parks) or mass transit, the issue is the evolution of parenting, the explosion of game consoles & gaming computers, streaming services, social media and more recently Covid.
Nowadays parents prefer their children stay indoors, when I grew up (60s & 70s) it was popular to send kids out in the neighborhood to play, expecting them to stay out of the house till the street lights came on or they were called for dinner - forced socialization. Parents today are
This just in (Score:2)