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Every Homeopathic Eye Drop Should Be Pulled Off the Market, FDA Says 177

An anonymous reader shares a report: This year has been marked by many terrifying things, but perhaps the most surprising of the 2023 horrors was ... eye drops. The seemingly innocuous teeny squeeze bottle made for alarming headlines numerous times during our current revolution around the sun, with lengthy lists of recalls, startling factory inspections, and ghastly reports of people developing near-untreatable bacterial infections, losing their eyes and vision, and dying.

Recapping this unexpected threat to health, the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday released an advisory titled "What You Should Know about Eye Drops" in hopes of keeping the dangers of this year from leaking into the next. Among the notable points from the regulator was this stark pronouncement: No one should ever use any homeopathic ophthalmic products, and every single such product should be pulled off the market. The point is unexpected, given that none of the high-profile infections and recalls this year involved homeopathic products. But, it should be welcomed by any advocates of evidence-based medicine.
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Every Homeopathic Eye Drop Should Be Pulled Off the Market, FDA Says

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  • Why only eyedrops? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:25AM (#64078835)

    Allowing fake medicine to give the appearance of being real medicine is a huge disservice to the rather large part of the population that cannot fact-check for shit.

    • Don't take money from scammers who make political donations.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by wyHunter ( 4241347 )
        Especially big pharm. FWIW I know zero about homeopathic eye drops and little about homeopathy but given the number of 'conventional medicines' that are approved yet completely ineffective, it's not just homeopathic things.
        • by Calydor ( 739835 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:37AM (#64078871)

          There's a difference between "Does nothing" and "Destroys your eyes or kills you".

          • by wyHunter ( 4241347 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:48AM (#64078915)
            Agreed, but the ones that have been destroying eyes this year are NOT homeopathic eye drops but mainstream eyedrops. Here's a link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/30... [cnn.com].
            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by edwdig ( 47888 )

              It's not that the eyedrops were destroying eyes. The safety levels weren't up to standards, so the eyedrops potentially were unsafe.

              The standards and safety checks don't apply to homeopathic eyedrops, so the odds of them being safe are much lower. The FDA probably has a reason to suspect the quality isn't good, but they don't have the power to act directly.

              • by Entrope ( 68843 )

                People dying [cnn.com] is not just "potentially" unsafe. But yes, homeopathic products don't get even that level of oversight.

                • by edwdig ( 47888 )

                  Ugh, that's from an older recall. Not the most recent recall, which was what the previous poster had linked to. The last I heard, there was no evidence of anything bad happening from the recent recall, it was just precautionary.

                  Yeah, it's all bad.

          • by drainbramage ( 588291 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:06PM (#64079387) Homepage

            I tried those eyedrops and now I don't see the difference.

        • by Rei ( 128717 )

          "Especially big pharma" - I think you seem to be confused, it's Big Parma that wants to put microchips in your body [yahoo.com]. Simple spelling mistake!

        • so few that it was huge news when that Alzheimer's drug that doesn't do anything got approved.

          Hell, the FDA just made stores take Benadryl off the market because it does fuck all (tylenol is still sadly still around even though it screws your liver and at best is a mild fever reducer).

          The FDA's biggest problem is they're not given enough power. They've actually got enough laws in place from Congress but the courts have been so completely packed by pro-corporate judges from the Heritage Foundation th
      • Don't take money from scammers who make political donations.

        But that would destroy American politics!

    • Not so much an avoidance of facts as a rejection of them. It is a matter of faith that they work and they are really into the idea of "having control over their health" regardless of the facts and that somehow the path to health is outside of conventional medicine. I point out to them that alternative medicines are also in the money making business.

    • by Toad-san ( 64810 )

      Hear hear.

  • by cebu2018 ( 5490340 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:26AM (#64078837)

    It's *all* bullshit - even if it doesn't directly physically harm you, it's harming you financially (you wasted money on it), and it's indirectly harming you physically because you're not seeking an actual treatment that will work for your condition. Yank 'em all until "proven SAFE and EFFECTIVE".

    • Homeopathic liquids are essentially just water. There's no reason for them to go through safety studies because there is a provision for basic foods to be assumed safe.

      • Homeopathy (Score:5, Informative)

        by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:47AM (#64078907)

        Thing is, "homeopathy" isn't a recognized regulatory category, so it can mean literally anything. The "Homeopathic" Zicam nasal spray had so much zinc in it it cauterized your nasal cavity.

        Also, even purely homeopathic water-based products are going through an industrial process. There can be bacterial growth in the distilling vats, or dirty containers. If you are putting this stuff in your eye it could cause problems.

        • by kbahey ( 102895 )

          Also, even purely homeopathic water-based products are going through an industrial process. There can be bacterial growth in the distilling vats, or dirty containers. If you are putting this stuff in your eye it could cause problems.

          I have a bachelor's degree in pharmacy, but have not practiced in almost four decades, since I switched careers to the newfangled computer stuff.

          From what I remember (Industrial Pharmacy courses), all eye drops and ointments should be sterile, just like any injected medicine or

          • I disagree (as covered elsewhere). As long as they're not making a specific claim, I think it's fundamentally wrong to ban commercially available homeopathic treatments.

            "This product will absolutely cure your stage 3 lymphoma1" - Ban that fucker.

            "I've been taking this product for three months, and I feel better. Things seem clearer to me, I can focus more easily, and my life is improved." - Don't ban. (Stolen from an add for something that rhymes with "Revagen").

            Homeopathy shouldn't be banned, because that

            • I think a good middle ground, that may satisfy both parties here, may be a certification of some kind that can be displayed on the product. That would give the consumer information (oh, this product is certified by the FDA) and let them decide, without limiting freedom of choice.

        • the crazy idea behind it is "like cures like" so if you're sick they give you something else that makes you sick. But then they dilute it in water because water has "memory". They eventually dilute it until there's none of the active ingredient left, but that "memory" means it's somehow still there. It's batshit insane.

          Every now and then they don't dilute enough and kill a bunch of babies. Adults survive because the dose ends up being low enough but the babies aren't so lucky. Happens about every 10 yea
      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        there is a provision for basic foods to be assumed safe.

        What? The F in FDA stands for "food." The D gets all the attention, but the FDA, and other agencies in the US and around the world, enforce food safety standards. Bottled water is regulated by the FDA in the US.

    • Which is a real effect. Obviously homeopathy is scientific BS but its also harmless (unless people take it in preference to real medicine) and if the placebo does kick in them it can have positive effects.

      A few people in my family are into it but when they got really ill they didn't reach for a pot of diluted jasmine pills, they headed to the real doctor for real medicine. Homeopathy seems more like recreational medicine to me for hypocondriacs who arn't actually sick but think they are.

  • by KingFatty ( 770719 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:30AM (#64078843)
    There should be a requirement that the health product actually contains something that helps your health. Homeopathic products do not actually contain any medicine and are equivalent to magic water (or powder or whatever). They should be banned for impersonating actual medicine/health products that actually contain medicine or an active ingredient that affects the human body. Why do we allow the equivalent of snake oil salesmen inside CVS, Walmart, etc.?
    • Sometimes homeopathic "remedies" are poorly mixed so they contain an even higher percentage water than they are supposed to, except a few bottles which contain a deadly dose of whatever-it-is. Like, say, aconitum... which is "prescribed" for people with anxiety. You know what they should be anxious about? The chance of the shit they're taking as a remedy paralyzing or killing them.

      • That's a good point - we don't actually have a mechanism to ensure safety of homeopathics, so it's possible they will include contamination or accidentally include harmful substances in high enough doses to cause harm or injury. Even though homeopathics are meant to contain no actual medicine, there is still a risk of contamination or improperly prepared homeopathics. Again, yet another reason to ban the sale of products that impersonate actual medicine without the pesky safety rules that apply to actual me
    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      Then again, since it's just water they have a better safety profile than several completely ineffective drugs that have real side effects.

      • Assuming the homeopathic is properly prepared. There are no safeguards for homeopathics that enjoy a loophole, unlike actual medicine that is subject to protections. The homeopathics can accidentally contain contaminants or other untested things that can harm the consumer.
        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          It is possible, yet the non-homeopathic eyedrops are the ones that caused terrible infections, loss of vision, and a death or two. So we have one group of risks that all drugs and homeopathics are subject to and an additional set of risks that only the non-homeopathic drugs carry. If the 'drug' is no more effective than homeopathy (as is the case for several 'drugs' now), then the risk-benefit is notably WORSE than homeopathic.

          • Incorrect. The risk of contamination (bacteria that causes eye infection) affects all products. I don't understand why you think contamination is limited to real medicine but not homeopathic?
            • by sjames ( 1099 )

              Since I EXPLICITLY stated that there is a category of risk both are subject to, I can only conclude you've been using some of those bad non-homeopathic eyedrops. Or at least you are over due for a visit with your optometrist.

              • I'm not referring to your EXPLICITLY stated comment. I'm wondering about this: "an additional set of risks that only the non-homeopathic drugs carry" Why use all that fancy talk - what do you mean, stated plainly?
                • by sjames ( 1099 )

                  Contaminated water is harmful. Contaminated drugs are harmful. Clean water is never harmful (at least not in the amounts you might take as a drug). Clean drugs may still be harmful (and often are for some people).

                  Fen-Phen for example is pretty damned worthless for lasting weight loss but nasty side effects caused a few deaths and others needed a lung transplant. No homeopathic diet drops would have caused that (of course they wouldn't have caused weight loss either).

    • Why do we allow the equivalent of snake oil salesmen inside CVS, Walmart, etc.?

      Probably for the same reason they allow liquor and tobacco sales: Profit Baby!

      • True, but at least you *know* you are getting actual active drugs when you buy products with alcohol or nicotine. Liquor and tobacco aren't riddled with homeopathic liquor that contains no alcohol but imperosnates liquor, or homeopathic tobacco that contains no nicotine but impersonates tobacco.
        • Liquor and tobacco aren't riddled with homeopathic liquor that contains no alcohol but imperosnates liquor, or homeopathic tobacco that contains no nicotine but impersonates tobacco.

          Considering alcohol has plenty of toxic capability to harm or kill by consuming far less than you could walk out the door with by the unregulated gallon-jug case, along with the other 200+ chemicals and known carcinogens wrapped up with a few shreds of tobacco leaf in every cigarette, perhaps the term hyperpathic needs to be realized; for products formerly naturally diluted that have been amplified instead to maximize addiction and harm.

          I'd say today's cigarette is quite the warped impersonation/abomination

          • AHAHAH! Just wanted to reply to say that I enjoyed your post and literally LOLed, and it's a good idea too! [I cannot see how to upvote on Slashdot, I guess it's not my turn to moderate today?]
    • by mad7777 ( 946676 )

      Indeed.
      And why just homeopathy? Faith healing, magic crystals, reiki, "energy" therapies, and about a thousand other such quackeries should all be pulled, or, at the very least, made to display in large prominent letters something to effect of "THIS PRODUCT DOES NOTHING."
      It's a bit ridiculous that pharma companies spend upwards of $1 billion to bring a new drug to market, whereas any idiot can sell chalk dust as a magic cure-all, so long as they don't actually make any explicit claims.

    • CVS and Walmart are not the guardians of health care. If you want to put that responsibility on them, I'd suggest that desire is woefully misplaced.

      And what's wrong with snake oil? Unless it's got actual venom in it, there's nothing wrong with selling it. Just don't claim it does something verifiable.

      Just use the fraud laws already in place. No need to ban a whole class of products for being ineffectual - there's massive spillover into almost every part of life. Imagine holding religions up to the standard

      • Or use false advertising. But, the new problem with stores is where homeopathic products impersonate real medicine, and the stores place the products side-by-side so that harried parents buy the fake impersonator and wonder why their kid's fever is not going down, then takes the kid to the ER unnecessarily, all because CVS wanted to make a profit by misleading consumers and tricking them to pay for fake medicine that doesn't contain medicine.
      • > Imagine holding religions up to the standard of, "Prove it or shut down".

        The world would be a better place if we COULD do that.
    • There should be a requirement that the health product actually contains something that helps your health. Homeopathic products do not actually contain any medicine and are equivalent to magic water (or powder or whatever)

      Some of them actually do what they are supposed to though.

      As an example, during peak covid I ended up with pink eye. Not wanting to go to the doctors during a disease epidemic I decided to try colloidal silver dropped in the eye with an eye dropper for a few days which I had heard of as being a viable remedy from a few sources and there is decent enough data on its anti bacterial properties. Worked great although apparently what we call pink eye can come from either a bacterial or viral source and I'm prett

      • Uh, wait, that's not homeopathic. Homeopathic colloidal silver would not actually contain any colloidal silver. It would just contain water. You probably were thinking home remedy or alternative medicine. The difference is that homeopathic doesn't have active ingredients. But home remedies can be unsafe because they can have all kinds of things in them. But you should stop endangering yourself with products that *DO* have an effect. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has warned that colloidal silv
        • by skam240 ( 789197 )

          Ah my mistake. I looked it up to verify and I most definitely was not using the proper definition of homeopathic there. Thanks for the correction.

          As for the rest, I believe those negative symptoms are all from prolonged use, at least if I'm remembering them correctly from when I looked them up prior to trying colloidal silver several years ago. Given that I used the drops for less than a week I didnt feel too concerned especially since quite a lot of FDA approved modern medicine isnt meant for prolonged use

          • Have you thought about what was going on in your eye? Like, why do you think colloidal silver would help pinkeye? FYI pink eye can be caused by bacteria or virus. Have you considered that you may have overcame the pink eye even if you never used colloidal silver?
  • Every ambulance, ER and hospital is pulling every bottle of saline and sterile water off the shelf right now. I can't imagine the ripple effect.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is warning consumers, health care providers, and health care facilities not to use recalled saline (0.9% sodium chloride) and sterile water medical products manufactured by Nurse Assist, LLC, and sold under various brands.

    On November 6, 2023, Nurse Assist, LLC announced a recall of the following water-based medical pr

  • by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:41AM (#64078883)

    Only the first post that says some version of "fixed that for you" deserves the nod.

    Naturopathic treatments should always be looked at with suspicion. Most are just safe placebos. Some small number of them actually do something medical, but often not what you expect them to. Homeopathy is just plain fucking stupid. But in general, it's not the relative efficacy or usefulness of the product that's problematic here... it's the cleanliness.

    The items shouldn't be recalled because they are homeopathic - they should be recalled because the factories are dirty. That would be the same suggestion if the eyedrops were made by Bausch in a contaminated facility.

    Nobody should ban a homeopathic substance on the basis that it's just water. It's perfectly fine to sell people snake oil, so long as it's "clean" oil, and you don't say exactly what it does. Fleecing the gullible is a tradition as old as time, and it shouldn't be eliminated. Otherwise you'd have to address it in politics too... imagine that.

  • Electric Water? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Spinlock_1977 ( 777598 ) <{moc.oohay} {ta} {7791_kcolnipS}> on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @10:56AM (#64078941) Journal

    Years ago I dated someone who believed in a lot of, well, hooey. She came home excited one day because she had met someone selling "enhanced water" in mini-bottles with miracle-like healing properties. I expressed my skepticism, so she gave me the URL and I reviewed their website.

    "See?" she said. "It's all very scientific. They transfer the healing charge into new batches just by mixing in a few drops of the previous batch." (Sound familiar, homeopathy fans?).

    But there was no science on that website. Just a bunch of pseudo-science that would trick some non-science-literate readers. She spent months washing bottles, bringing them back to scam-central for reloading, and trying to sell these bottles of to others. She didn't make any money, and certainly wasted a lot of time. Finally, thankfully, she got wise and moved on.

    This story demonstrates how easy it is to sell a good-sounding story to folks who are unwilling or unable to do some real digging.

    • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

      "folks who are unwilling or unable to do some real digging"

      Or are just plain dumb.

    • Homemade water, what could possibly go wrong? Liver failure ahoy!

      https://www.fda.gov/food/outbr... [fda.gov]

      https://arstechnica.com/scienc... [arstechnica.com]

    • A lot of people are so scientifically illiterate that they can't tell the difference between superstitious magical thinking and reasoned, logical, reproducible results. To a layperson if someone wears a lab coat then they must be doing real science. If the explanation is complicated enough people will buy into it. The con artists that build crackpot theories on a shaky or non-existent foundation get away with it because most people have no idea what a scientific foundation might look like.

    • by 0xG ( 712423 )

      I dated a lady like that too. One month it was crystals, the next magnets, the next diodes(!), and so on. Eventually got tired of it - too bad, she was nice otherwise.

  • If you ask 10 people why they take a homeopathic product, my guess is 5 of them associate it with organic. This has been one of the greatest tricks ever.

    Around 2010, due to popular demand, we made a homeopathic version of our product. In other words, our manufacturing costs went to almost-zero, because people want their diluted product. Imagine homeopathic vitamin C. Cue the La Croix jokes.


    Anyway, follow the money. Homeopathy is a manufacturers wet dream.
  • i had pinkeye a few years ago and it worked good,
  • One time I only took 1/10th of the recommended amount of homeopathic medicine and I overdosed. ;)

    (Some of you will get it)

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @12:13PM (#64079155)

    Homeopathetic medicine is so yesterday. I'm doing pizzapathy now. The process is very simple. I get those splitting headaches. Really bad. Every time I get one, I eat a pizza cardinale. And merely 2-20 hours later, my headache is gone. Gone! As if I never had one.

    Sometimes, though, I have the pizza and it gets worse. That's how I know the pizza is actually working. That's the so-called aggravation. But I usually take another pizza cardinale and it cures it right away.

    The pizza is made by Dr. Oetker [wikipedia.org], so as you can clearly see it's a medical product designed by a doctor. But big pharma, and the homepathetic industry in league with them, still keeps therapeutic pizzas down because they know exactly that nobody would buy their overpriced, worthless chemistry anymore if everyone knew that all they had to do is eat healthy and tasty pizza!

    And don't tell me that's just observer bias and I'm imagining things. HE WHO CURES IS RIGHT!

  • You can't. Whether a homeopathic treatment helped or not is impossible to tell. Both possibilities present exactly the same - you didn't die from whatever it is you think you're measuring. You got "better". So whether the treatment helped, or the body just healed as usual, you can never say. That's the beauty of treating something with water. It's innocuous, and you can't prove it didn't work. In a similar vein, I had friends that swore by Cold-FX, a product perfectly marketed. They got a tingle in their th

    • Group one receives and is told they are receiving pure water
      Groups two and three receives either the homeopathic remedy or pure water
      Maybe group four receives and is told they are receiving the homeopathic medicine.

      Our current understanding of the placebo effects suggests that we should see groups 2, 3 and 4 all see a significant and equally positive outcome compared to group 1.

      The thing that gives gives ethics committees a problem is that explaining that this bottle of water MAY help you because of the pla

  • A test of the placebo effect v homeopathic medicine would look something like this

    Group one receives and is told they are receiving pure water
    Groups two and three receives either the homeopathic remedy or pure water
    Group four receives and is told they are receiving the homeopathic medicine.

    Our current understanding of the placebo effects suggests that we should see groups 2, 3 and 4 all see a significant and equally positive outcome compared to group 1.

    The thing that gives gives ethics committees a problem

  • ... with the problem. The problem is the drops being contaminated. Which shouldn't happen, no matter the ingredients of the eyedrops. Regulations need an update.

    That aside, esotheric quasi-magic medicine such homeopathy actually has an overall positive health effect on society. No joke. The reason being that regular medicine and it's prescriptions are to a notable measure so false and off their original indication and required mode of responsible usage and therapy that they do more damage than some homepath

    • Everytime I see Seneca the Roman I think of the indians of New York in the US.
      Possibly because they lived and still live near me so I recognize them better.

  • ...for people that believe in Homeopathy EXCEPT birth control. That should still use "conventional" medicine.

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