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Internet Use Does Not Appear To Harm Mental Health, Oxford Study Finds (ft.com) 80

A study of more than 2 million people's internet use found no "smoking gun" for widespread harm to mental health from online activities such as browsing social media and gaming, despite widely claimed concerns that mobile apps can cause depression and anxiety. From a report: Researchers at the Oxford Internet Institute, who said their study was the largest of its kind, said they found no evidence to support "popular ideas that certain groups are more at risk" from the technology. However, Andrew Przybylski, professor at the institute -- part of the University of Oxford -- said that the data necessary to establish a causal connection was "absent" without more co-operation from tech companies. If apps do harm mental health, only the companies that build them have the user data that could prove it, he said.

"The best data we have available suggests that there is not a global link between these factors," said Przybylski, who carried out the study with Matti Vuorre, a professor at Tilburg University. Because the "stakes are so high" if online activity really did lead to mental health problems, any regulation aimed at addressing it should be based on much more "conclusive" evidence, he added. "Global Well-Being and Mental Health in the Internet Age" was published in the journal Clinical Psychological Science on Tuesday.
In their paper, Przybylski and Vuorre studied data on psychological wellbeing from 2.4 million people aged 15 to 89 in 168 countries between 2005 and 2022, which they contrasted with industry data about growth in internet subscriptions over that time, as well as tracking associations between mental health and internet adoption in 202 countries from 2000-19.
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Internet Use Does Not Appear To Harm Mental Health, Oxford Study Finds

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  • Just like (Score:2, Insightful)

    by sproketboy ( 608031 )

    Smoking and lead in gasoline were fine... right?

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Yes, especially at the same time.

    • Re:Just like (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ewibble ( 1655195 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @01:38PM (#64038745)

      And that is why studies, science and facts are almost useless at convincing people, if they go against what people believe they will be discounted almost immediately.

      Please note I am not making a comment on the validity of this study, I frankly have no idea and have better things to do with my life than go into its details to have real idea of its merit. Even if I did why would anybody believe me more than the study.

      That being said if you read the summary the outcome of the study was its inconclusive we don't have enough data.

      said that the data necessary to establish a causal connection was "absent" without more co-operation from tech companies

  • Oxford study is BS (Score:4, Informative)

    by TWX ( 665546 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:31AM (#64038105)

    Absolutely there is harm. There's good too, but there definitely is harm. Self-reinforcing extremism through insular echo-chambers, the continuation of bullying from the real world to the digital world regardless of location, and all sorts of other issues that simply did not exist before the widespread consumer Internet.

    • The internet does not of itself cause mental illness. It does provide a method for the mentally ill to broadcast their problems to the world.
      • Unlike most Europeans, Oxford can tell the difference between the Internet and the Web. Playing mortal kombat with a friend in Vietnam isn't going to damage your mental health.

        • Unlike most Europeans, Oxford can tell the difference between the Internet and the Web. Playing mortal kombat with a friend in Vietnam isn't going to damage your mental health.

          Vietnam is a communist country. If you have a friend there then you must like communists. Therefore you've become mentally ill by interacting with communists.
          Now you are a Marxist and need to be re-educated. That is, if you live in the Land of the Free. If you're somewhere else then its no problem, just carry on.

      • by nightflameauto ( 6607976 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @11:28AM (#64038293)

        The internet does not of itself cause mental illness. It does provide a method for the mentally ill to broadcast their problems to the world.

        It also provides support systems for the mentally ill that are the exact opposite of the type of support they need to set aside or develop coping mechanisms for their illness.

        Thirty years ago, every village had an idiot. The internet has allowed those idiots to congregate somewhere, compare their batshit insane theories, develop them into a common narrative, and regurgitate them into the public discourse. So? Thirty years ago you might see a person or three per city walking the streets with a signboard screaming about the end-times. Now we have whole throngs of people clinging to theories that make a critical thinker cringe, yet these groups are utterly convinced, through self-actuated group-think brainwashing, that their ignorance is ABSOLUTELY as valid as our evidence and facts. Jewish space lasers. Weather control. 9/11 was a digital creation and never happened. Trump has been orchestrating everything on the world-stage for decades now, and is about to complete his plan to become god-emperor for life. These are batshit insane conspiracy theories that may have been laughed at a few years back, yet there are entire armies of people that hold these beliefs as semi-religious in nature.

        Perhaps we should have shown some concern for our mentally ill before we sprung the information age on humanity? It's an amplifier of all things, even mental illness. And where we are today? I don't know that there's a fix for it. Not without some serious self-discovery for our entire species. And too many of us are entrenched in STOPPING self-discovery at all costs. Self-discovery is hard, sometimes dangerous work, and can often lead to very uncomfortable moments of epiphany. And nobody wants to be uncomfortable.

        • STOPPING self-discovery

          Shit cost money yo

          • STOPPING self-discovery

            Shit cost money yo

            It costs money, or time, or both. But we need to soak that time up by worshipping at the Disney/WB/Turner/Media altar, so we can distract ourselves from how little meaning it all has at the moment. Meaning through fantasy. Seems vaguely familiar.

        • The question is how do you know your not the idiot, How do I know that I an not the idiot?

          As you stated:

          yet these groups are utterly convinced, through self-actuated group-think brainwashing, that their ignorance is ABSOLUTELY as valid

          I got it, (I'm/your) right every body else is wrong problem solved /sarcasm.

          But continue calling the groups you oppose idiots, that sounds like the best way to convince them they are wrong. /sarcasm.

          I will continue to point my space lazer at you /joking its currently pointed at Gaza.

          Please note: I think all the things you said you think are just stupid, I agree seem stupid to me as well. However things li

          • The question is how do you know your not the idiot, How do I know that I an not the idiot?

            As you stated:

            yet these groups are utterly convinced, through self-actuated group-think brainwashing, that their ignorance is ABSOLUTELY as valid

            I got it, (I'm/your) right every body else is wrong problem solved /sarcasm.

            But continue calling the groups you oppose idiots, that sounds like the best way to convince them they are wrong. /sarcasm.

            I will continue to point my space lazer at you /joking its currently pointed at Gaza.

            Please note: I think all the things you said you think are just stupid, I agree seem stupid to me as well. However things like the government is monitoring on everyone, I would have said was true, and would also sound ridiculous however turns out to be kind of true but people simply don't care.

            There is a massive difference between something that there is massive piles of evidence in support of (government tracking) and fairytales fabricated whole-cloth from nothing (weather control machines in Alaska controlling a huge network of satellites around the entire globe forcing drastic weather changes in order to force world governments to bend to some green-focused blah blah). THAT type of thing is easy to call out as being idiotic. And before some moron decides to pull out the "you can't prove it isn

      • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        >It does provide a method for the mentally ill to broadcast their problems to the world.
        Which in turn allows mentally ill people to congregate, validate each other, and spread their mental illnesses like fads; like furries, transgenders, socialists, and rust programmers. As the esteemed Ugandan pastor put it, "they eat the poo poo."
        If it wasn't the internet, but instead another platform people could publish widely to random strangers, the same situation would occur, of course.
        Note however that global cap

        • Funny how you left out anti-vaxxers and election deniers from the mental illness list.

          • Didn't include the "Elvis is alive" people, the "Global warming is a hoax" people, the "Fluoride is 5g nanobots" people, or the "Lizard people live among us" people either. I daresay OP assumed that a representative list over an exhaustive compilation was the stronger narrative choice for their comment.

    • Besides the obvious, the internet is very addictive (especially youtube), plus you will get fat with no exercise.

      • by nucrash ( 549705 )

        Yes, because it's impossible to watch YouTube while on a treadmill or out walking.

        The internet is addictive, but saying' you will get fat with no exercise is about as relevant to this conversation as the price of tea in England.

      • Before the Internet there was TV and before that radio and before that books. As the world moves away from agrarian based economies where manual labor is the only form of labor, people will have free time to do what they want. Not exercising during spare time is not new.
        • by piojo ( 995934 )

          Before the Internet there was TV and before that radio and before that books.

          Nothing before social media platforms was engineered and tweaked to be addictive (to capture and hold attention) over decades by some of the smartest people in the world. It's amazing that these purely digital tools are more addictive than drugs for some people.

          * It's worth pointing out that most drugs aren't addictive to a person that is content / not suffering in their normal life.

          • It's worth pointing out that most drugs aren't addictive to a person that is content / not suffering in their normal life.

            Many doctors and scientists would disagree with that assertion. Decades of studies will show exactly how and why certain drugs are medically addictive. The latest drug issue is the use of painkillers that are prescribed to normal people for surgeries that gets them addicted.

            • by piojo ( 995934 )

              The research I've read happened before addiction to opiate pills was widespread. I don't know about painkiller pills.

              But that particular drug aside, my impression (what I keep hearing in pop science articles and podcasts) is that's the old model of addiction and all but disproved. What researchers observe is that whether we're a human or a rat, we tend not to use drugs all the time unless we are bored, lonely, unhappy, hopeless, etc. Though most of us are unhappy to some extent, so that observation isn't as

              • The research I've read happened before addiction to opiate pills was widespread. I don't know about painkiller pills.

                1) What research are you talking about? Again decades of research have already established how medically addictive drugs like cocaine and heroin are. 2) Where have you been that you do not know about the fentanyl crisis? That is like someone who says they are knowledgeable about cars but have never heard about EVs.

                But that particular drug aside, my impression (what I keep hearing in pop science articles and podcasts) is that's the old model of addiction and all but disproved. What researchers observe is tha

                • by piojo ( 995934 )

                  This could have been an interesting conversation but it seems like you are reading my comments in the most combative way you could have. Life is too short to be combative or to try formulating the perfect argument and citations to be understood or believed by a stranger. I'm not a credentialed expert. I'm not here to change your mind. If you don't want to have the type of conversation you'd have with a friend, we won't.

                  • This could have been an interesting conversation but it seems like you are reading my comments in the most combative way you could have.

                    So was I supposed to spare your feelings by falsely placating how badly you have interpreted research?

                    Life is too short to be combative or to try formulating the perfect argument and citations to be understood or believed by a stranger.

                    The problem was never the perfect argument. The problem is that new research on the psychology of addiction does not disprove decades of research on the physiology of addiction. Those are two different aspects which you have confused.

                    I'm not a credentialed expert. I'm not here to change your mind. If you don't want to have the type of conversation you'd have with a friend, we won't.

                    The other problem is that you seem very sure of your conclusions even though you admit you have little experience in this field. It was never stated that your opinions were yo

      • by sjames ( 1099 )

        Football on TV is similar but traditionally includes low nutrition high calorie food and beer.

    • All that existed before the Internet. All of that appeared on Internet as soon as anyone could type. Before the World Wide Web, there were forums on dialup. Friend of a friend Joe was telling anyone he could about Area 51 back then. He got his information from a friend of a cousin over drinks one day. But it was totally reliable, he said.
    • by Torodung ( 31985 )

      Headline is BS. Oxford study is inconclusive, and that's fine. TFS says that social media companies are withholding data that would conclusively determine causality in the negative or the affirmative. How FT translated that to anything other than "study inconclusive due to insufficient data" is beyond me.

      The Financial Times is also BS. Oxford is probably in the clear here.

    • Cool. Why don’t you conduct a study and paper to disprove their claims?

    • Absolutely there is harm. There's good too, but there definitely is harm. Self-reinforcing extremism through insular echo-chambers, the continuation of bullying from the real world to the digital world regardless of location, and all sorts of other issues that simply did not exist before the widespread consumer Internet.

      As much as people might want to believe that those with political or social views opposing theirs are mentally ill, this is actually not usually true.

    • A study: "Walking has been shown to be good for your health."

      You: "Nonsense; you can be stabbed by a crazy guy when walking!"

      /facepalm

  • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:33AM (#64038113)

    I don't think the medium is the problem, it is the behavior of people. There are some anonymous people who are complete asshats.

    i.e. G.I.F.T. [penny-arcade.com]

    ---
    redditard, noun, one who downvotes you because they are unable to respect your opinion or have a civil discussion/disagreement.

    • Moderator, noun , one who downvotes you because they think you are a troll.

  • by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:44AM (#64038161)

    The Internet faciltates the actualization of your inner asshole. It lets people be who they are, unfettered by the pressures that hold you back. Before the internet, our personalities were like a star - balanced between societal pull of gravity keeping you constrained against the outwardly exploding jackass. The surface of your personality was the balance achieved. I don't think the internet invents assholes. It just curates them.

    Who knows? It might be that allowing people to be the dickwads that truly live inside them means they are achieving better mental health.

    • Or it's just allowed us to see all the assholes that have always existed but were hidden behind gatekept mass media. They could have just been getting screened by producers or editors prior and never allowed to have their opinions seen.
    • It happens [penny-arcade.com].
  • an outlet (Score:4, Insightful)

    by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:46AM (#64038169)

    Just read the anonymous comments on Slashdot. The internet is clearly an outlet for people with mental health issues.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      > The internet is clearly an outlet for people with mental health issues.

      So it's cathartic therapy? The trolls are calling us every name in the book to blow off steam? I suppose. Explains certain politician behavior: just venting from lots of stressful court cases.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They must be equating the internet to electricity. In that in and of themselves they are not harmful. Grab those two bare wires and see how harmless electricity can be.

    There is not-evil on the Internet - most reliable news networks, Amazon (for the most part, is fairly neutral), Wikipedia, Google, /., Etsy, Ebay, most corporate websites, etc. Note: This is the customer's mental perception of the site - not if the company is playing fast and loose with the data.

    Then there are the mental third-rail sites..

  • by Stalyn ( 662 ) on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @10:56AM (#64038207) Homepage Journal

    Who would have thought that treating each other like objects and measuring self-worth by social media engagement would cause any harm. Like it says in the summary the only ones with the data to back up either conclusion are the tech companies themselves and the silence from them is deafening.

  • Means to an end (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by Tarlus ( 1000874 )

    Being a truck driver in and of itself is not harmful to one's health.

    Tuning in to the CB radio chatter and gradually get converted into a filthy-mouthed racist? That's not good. Focusing more on the job and less on your physical well being, living on fast food and never exercising? Pretty harmful. Overexerting yourself and falling asleep at the wheel? Deadly. Caught the clap from a hooker in a truck stop toilet stall? I'd consider that a bad thing.

    But just driving a truck long distances for a living? Not ne

    • > The Internet in and of itself is a great way to find information, communicate and shop. But, through misuse it can also be means by which a person's mental (and physical) health can become neglected or nurtured in damaging ways.

      Meta Designed Platforms To Get Children Addicted, Court Documents Allege [slashdot.org]
    • I think you might have picked the wrong profession for your example. From what I understand driving a truck is itself harmful to one's health. A lot of time sitting like other jobs but they happen to be sitting in a place with toxic fumes from traffic as well as exposure to UV rays from the sun. There are some pretty crazy photos out there showing a drastic difference between a truck driver's left and right side due to the exposure.
  • Do they mean just scrolling around is not harmful? Social media is harmful.
  • Eben Moglen: Why Freedom of Thought Requires Attention [yewtu.be]

    We are building the new neuro-anatomy of the human race [yewtu.be]. In the process we are destroying the human attention system, changing our idea of what it means to be human. The effect on our capacity for freedom and self-government is devastating, but not so bad for those who want to govern us. People are increasingly aware of the problem, but don't know what to do. In this talk, I explain how and why.”
  • took one look at /. and have since retracted the study and burned their computers.
  • Just wondering, where did they find a control group?

  • Now do a study on social media and cellphone use.

  • I don't understand. The TFS appears to be saying they had a woefully incomplete data set due to lack of cooperation from social media companies and that the findings are, at best, inconclusive, at worst, not legitimate.

    the data necessary to establish a causal connection was "absent" without more co-operation from tech companies. If apps do harm mental health, only the companies that build them have the user data that could prove it, he said.

    Yet the headline says "Internet Does Not Appear..." and "Study Finds." It even mentions "Oxford" as if that means something when you have insufficient data.

    The only finding here is that social media companies are withholding information from public study. This may, in fact, be benign, but I d

  • I don't need a study to know that society has been losing its collective mind. And I don't believe that it's a coincidence that this is happening at the exact same time that everyone has suddenly become addicted to social media. At this point, the only matters up for debate are how we prove it and how we quantify the effect social media is having on our mental health.

    In a manner similar to the inequality of wealth that we can all observe, social media is contributing to an inequality of attention. A f
  • Maybe it doesn't count as psychological damage because it was so easily reversible, but I had to drop one politics site completely when I noticed I was treating people worse after reading it.

    The longtime friend has had his mind taken over by toxic bullshit YouTube videos. I'm sure it's not anything with a DSM code, but I call it damage.

  • That data set is big enough to draw absolute conclusions from, and to no ones surprise it's not the Internets problem you have no control.
  • Oxford does a study just as Meta is being taken to court for âoeaddictive/harmfulâ practices in relation to young persons mental health.
  • What matters is what you do there.

    Going to the Frankfurt railway district ain't a problem either, it's the heroin purchasing people do there that is.

  • I really don't believe this conclusion that regular Internet use does not cause mental problems. This is based upon my own person experience. I'm a self-described news junkie (why else would I be regularly refreshing this site?) and I think I am at least mildly addicted to a regular news feed. Furthermore, as a person who used chat rooms before the Internet I can tell you that those kinds of things are very addictive. As a result, I don't use any form of social media at all with the exception of YouTube

  • The actual study: https://journals.sagepub.com/d... [sagepub.com]

    The data doesn't break down the usage type. The psychological impact of shopping is going to be different than, say, doom scrolling on social media.

    If you're going to lump all internet usage together you might as well say *communication* does not harm mental health.

  • Lots of people make videos about landscapes in portrait mode.
    As sure sign of a diseased mind, almost as bad as multiple exclamation points.

  • ...That the Internet is an assistive technology that allows people to meet and learn in ways the real world often prohibits. Like any tool, it might harm some people, and it definitely well help many others. Glad these people have figured that out.
  • The internet has all the info we need.
  • The internet maybe no harm to mental health... but social media sure as shit has become the domain of the mentally ill.

    Go on NextDoor, Reddit, Facebook, etc... and they're everywhere.

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