Heart Attacks Are Rising in Young Adults 194
National Geographic: Research does show that heart attacks, also called myocardial infarctions, are on the rise in younger people. Common symptoms include chest pain or discomfort; pain that radiates into the jaw, neck, back or arms; shortness of breath; and feeling weak or faint. A study of more than 2,000 young adults admitted for heart attack between 2000 and 2016 in two U.S. hospitals found that 1 in 5 were 40 years old or younger -- and that the proportion of this group has been increasing by 2 percent each year for the last decade.
The study, published in 2019 in the American Journal of Medicine, also found that people ages 40 or younger who have had a heart attack are just as likely as older adults to die from another heart attack, stroke, or other reason. In fact, increases in heart disease among younger adults in 2020 and 2021 are responsible for more than 4 percent of the most recent declines in life expectancy in the U.S., according to an editorial published in March in JAMA Network. The problem isn't uniquely American. Research shows that adults in Pakistan and India, for example, are also experiencing heart attacks at younger ages.
The study, published in 2019 in the American Journal of Medicine, also found that people ages 40 or younger who have had a heart attack are just as likely as older adults to die from another heart attack, stroke, or other reason. In fact, increases in heart disease among younger adults in 2020 and 2021 are responsible for more than 4 percent of the most recent declines in life expectancy in the U.S., according to an editorial published in March in JAMA Network. The problem isn't uniquely American. Research shows that adults in Pakistan and India, for example, are also experiencing heart attacks at younger ages.
Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:2)
My endocrinologist is Indian and is always on about this, the frequency of heart disease in India and amongst people of that ancestry. Lots of fatty food. She herself is a vegetarian and rail-thin. Anywho, some statins are more readily available from the Indian market than here in the US, at least more cheaply, probably for that reason.
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My endocrinologist is Indian and is always on about this, the frequency of heart disease in India and amongst people of that ancestry. Lots of fatty food. She herself is a vegetarian and rail-thin. Anywho, some statins are more readily available from the Indian market than here in the US, at least more cheaply, probably for that reason.
Indians eat a designated diet.
Re:Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:4, Interesting)
Do you really believe this? Heart disease and obesity in the US is correlated with fat-hysteria and pushing carbs into people's diet.
It's really interesting to see footage of street scenes of the USA in the 1940's, 50's.
You rarely see anyone who looks so much as a bit overweight.
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> It's really interesting to see footage of street scenes of the USA in the 1940's, 50's. You rarely see anyone who looks so much as a bit overweight.
They were used to walking places more. The family often had to share one car, meaning much of the time you just walked, biked, or took the bus and walked the last mile.
And students walked more often rather than use buses or parent drop-offs*. There's more paranoia about kidnapping even though the rate hasn't changed. News just gets around faster.
Northern Europeans are also relatively slim because they use public transit much more and walk the end-points.
* I used to walk home about 2 miles from 5th grade. (There was only a morning bus, long story.) The path was next to a junk-yard, and it was guarded by the stereotypical junk-yard dog. On my last day of school before we moved out of the area, the dog somehow got out and chased the hell out of me. I had crawl under a barbed-wire fence to escape, hoping the land owner didn't own a shotgun (rural area). I was dripping sweat by the time I got home. I was originally hesitant about moving, but that day changed my mind. That's a my geezer story for the day.
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Moral (Score:3)
That's a my geezer story for the day.
I thought it was going to end with you getting fatter because you began driving or riding the bus out of fear.
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I was expecting you to add - both directions where up hill in 10 feet of snow? ;-)
Or maybe it's stress?? (Score:2)
Northern Europeans are also relatively slim because they use public transit much more and walk the end-points.
I'm skeptical Northern Europeans use public transportation more than New Yorkers and I've seen some wicked fat fucks waddling around NYC. You could be right, but I'd wager it's based on more complex factors, like stress, working hours, American culture (low social safety net and workaholic tendencies), more of a sense of community over there, etc.
Sure, people in American cities are noticeably slimmer, but nothing compared to Scandinavians or even Germans. I think there are more factors than just commut
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People died younger back then. (Score:3, Interesting)
Do you really believe this? Heart disease and obesity in the US is correlated with fat-hysteria and pushing carbs into people's diet.
It's really interesting to see footage of street scenes of the USA in the 1940's, 50's. You rarely see anyone who looks so much as a bit overweight.
Yeah, they died already. Life expectancy was lower. Smoking was very common, as was alcoholism, many dangerous stimulants were not controlled when those folks were young, like amphetamines and cocaine. Antibiotics were not common. There was a massive pandemic with the Spanish flu. A major reason you see more unhealthy people every generation is because modern medicine saves them. I never met my grandfathers. Both loved to smoke and drink, didn't exercise or take care of themselves, and died before I
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Do you really believe this? Heart disease and obesity in the US is correlated with fat-hysteria and pushing carbs into people's diet.
It's really interesting to see footage of street scenes of the USA in the 1940's, 50's.
You rarely see anyone who looks so much as a bit overweight.
Yeah, they died already. Life expectancy was lower. Smoking was very common, as was alcoholism, many dangerous stimulants were not controlled when those folks were young, like amphetamines and cocaine. Antibiotics were not common. There was a massive pandemic with the Spanish flu. A major reason you see more unhealthy people every generation is because modern medicine saves them. I never met my grandfathers. Both loved to smoke and drink, didn't exercise or take care of themselves, and died before I was born. 100 years ago, not many people lived to get to 500lbs. I you were fat 100 years ago, if a heart attack didn't kill you young, a contagious disease, cirrhosis, war, cancer, or infection would.
This argument is quite stupid and often made by conservative-leaning folks as just part of the "back in my day" continuum. People today are not less virtuous than they were in the 40s and 50s. People back then were actually less healthy. Talk to your grandparents and ask them about their fitness regimen or if they put any thought into what they ate. People in the 50s were not tougher or more virtuous than people today. The fact that you see people morbidly obese and with peanut allergies is a testament to modern medicine and progress. Your ancestors were not superior. They just died faster.
What argument? Are you talking about your argument? I didn't have one, was just making an observation... confused.
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I wouldnt worry about it, the person's clearly an idiot.
Doesn't Explain the Data (Score:3)
I you were fat 100 years ago, if a heart attack didn't kill you young, a contagious disease, cirrhosis, war, cancer, or infection would.
While all the other causes of death you state were certainly at higher rates back then that does not explain the observation that there were far fewer obese people. Things like e.g. war or infection as a cause of death are not correlated with obesity.
A more likely explanation is that food and transport were more expensive back then. This meant that you were walking or taking public transport to go places plus when you got there eating was more expensive so you ate less. In fact, in the UK there was rati
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Yes, it does explain it. When people became obese then they were more likely to die of related health issues, just like people were more likely to die of syphilis before the invention of injectable antibiotics.
The past was more darwinistic. (Score:2, Offtopic)
I you were fat 100 years ago, if a heart attack didn't kill you young, a contagious disease, cirrhosis, war, cancer, or infection would.
While all the other causes of death you state were certainly at higher rates back then that does not explain the observation that there were far fewer obese people. Things like e.g. war or infection as a cause of death are not correlated with obesity. A more likely explanation is that food and transport were more expensive back then. This meant that you were walking or taking public transport to go places plus when you got there eating was more expensive so you ate less. In fact, in the UK there was rationing of various food during and after WW2 so even if you were rich you could not just buy as much food as you wanted, at least legally.
In the USA, cars were extremely common in the 50s. No one wanted to take public transportation outside of people living in a few mega cities. The car was king. Only poor people and children rode their bikes. Also, infection is correlated with obesity, especially if you were diabetic. Admittedly, war is a stretch, but most American men walking around in the 1940s and 50s survived WW1, WW2, or the Korean war. If you were prone to heart disease or diabetes, good luck making it through the trenches or sto
What is wrong with you? (Score:2)
People in the 50s were not tougher or more virtuous than people today
What is wrong with you and who the hell modded you up?
Literally all the person said that you are replying to is that Americans were slimmer in the 40's and 50's and that is very literally true.
Get your head out of your entirely too sensitive ass.
what's the matter with kids these days?!?!? (Score:2)
People in the 50s were not tougher or more virtuous than people today
What is wrong with you and who the hell modded you up?
Literally all the person said that you are replying to is that Americans were slimmer in the 40's and 50's and that is very literally true.
Yes, but it's a recurring theme for comedians to mock how soft the current generation, typically about their fitness or peanut allergies, is and how they're so tough and yes, Bill Maher has said this about 100 times on his show...about how you don't see fat people in the old photos. It's fun to shit on people younger than you and revel in false notions how people in the past were superior in character. It's a hacky old bit you see on facebook memes ALL THE FUCKING TIME as well as shitty standup routines.
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Yes, but it's a recurring theme for comedians to mock how soft the current generation, typically about their fitness or peanut allergies, is and how they're so tough and yes, Bill Maher has said this about 100 times on his show...about how you don't see fat people in the old photos. It's fun to shit on people younger than you and revel in false notions how people in the past were superior in character. It's a hacky old bit you see on facebook memes ALL THE FUCKING TIME as well as shitty standup routines.
Who fucking cares about what Bill Maher is saying? This person right here
has absolutely nothing to do with Bill Maher or any single part of what you are rambling about. Literally all they did was rattle off one single fact that was 100% accurate, Americans used to be skinnier. Everything else you're babbling about are your own personal hangups that have absolutely nothing to do with their post.
You should be ashamed and apologise. Going by your response though I doubt you have the mental maturity to compreh
Re: People died younger back then. (Score:2)
Was Fats Waller's life still better than mine today, though?
The evidence shows they are not harder working. (Score:2)
p>I did and a lot of other people's grandfather's and grandmother's as well. The fact you'd even remotely question whether the WW2 folks were more virtuous [within societal norms of the day], harder working, and tougher than folks today tells me you definitely never met them.
As an Xenial looking at the younger kids it is fairly obvious they don't even remotely hold up to the avg of my generation and I'd have taken a random 50-60yr old man with a bad back working with me on a heavy labor job at 20 than a peer... even if that peer was me. The gap between X/Xenials and millenials is huge with shrinks throwing childrearing and education off the rails, so huge we could see it before leaving high school but frankly even millenials whose badboys peddled antidepressants where ours peddled cocaine were rough and tough badboys compared to what came after.
The younger generations have suicide rates through the roof, are paralyzed by anxiety, are extraordinary sensitized to violence and in general simply can't cope with the hard realities of the unfair world. Half of them are too paralyzed by fear to drive.
We have data you know. Working professionals today work a lot more than working professionals from that era. If you were younger, it may seem like they were harder working, but we actually have data that suggests otherwise. Yes, an IBM Engineer in the 1950s wore a suit and Googlers (Google Employees) show up in T-shirts and shorts, but they're working harder and are more productive and have a much greater breadth of knowledge. I've seen several technological revolutions in my career. I saw as many in m
Businesses and Economists measure productivity (Score:3)
Similarly, hours worked really tells you nothing about how hard someone worked. It doesn't mean much if you put an 80+ hr week if you spent 90% of it whining and looking at your phone.
The question is if in an all else is equal scenario if you were to swap places would they fare at least equally well and while that scenario would require matrix style information loading of knowledge for the grandpa's I think they'd do as well or better. Their work would certainly contain fewer errors, just as Xenials and Millenials do relative to the younger generations today. But how would gen Z hold up tossed in a 1950's logging camp... he'd probably be tossed in a ravine by his co-workers because he endangered everyone and spent more time whining than working.
"Sure, the average google employee can't fix their car, but they can generate a lot more economic value than their predecessors."
Not really. It only appears that way because they have the advantage of standing on the work of their predecessors. Make them go back to the days when you had to hand generate binary instructions you'd worked out on a chalkboard and I highly doubt they'd do nearly so well as their period counterparts. Hell, put them back in the 80's when you just didn't have pre canned libs which did all the hard work for them and 95% of the people in tech fall down.
What is more telling is that even if they knew exactly how to fix their car and had the tools in hand the vast majority of them would give up the first time they smashed a finger or got their hands dirty trying.
"They know a lot more."
Yeah because grandpa built the internet and Dad made it the information highway, not because of any virtue on their part. And most of them don't really know more, they just hit that point as a teen where they think they know everything and never matured beyond it.
"They put more thought into every aspect of their life."
Watching reels instead of getting off your ass and kicking the shit out of your friend's abusive boyfriend is not putting more thought into your life. People aren't sitting around and adding organizers to their sock drawers or watching 4hrs of instruction of sharpening Japanese knives because they put more thought into their lives. They are doing that because have drastically easier lives which afford spare time, need to do something while they aren't really working at work, and thanks to their parents and grandparents have that kind of information at their fingertips.
Grandpa worked harder planning a trip to yellowstone than most people today put into their vc funded startup. Because people then were great and our kids/grandkids today suck? No. Because life required more work and people faced more real trauma and consequently they adapted to that additional and constant need for work and need to cope with trauma.
First of all, we can measure how many hours someone works and every business measures how many dollars per hour inputted are generated. That's what economists refer to as productivity and yes, technology has accelerated that. GM doesn't care how hard you work, they care about how much value you add, so if you're on your phone more, but generating the same output, I am not sure they care.
And yes, younger generations have advantages. That's a tale as old as time. I write software...tools designed to
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People ate less and moved more.
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Calories in is the ultimate issue. People get fat eating lots of fat too.
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Calories in is the ultimate issue. People get fat eating lots of fat too.
The source of those calories is the issue. Calories from carbs and sugar are quickly processed, and what is not needed at the moment is stored as fat. When your body needs more energy, it signals that you need to eat again before using the fat stores. Calories from fats and proteins are more slowly processed, resulting in less being stored in the fat cells, leaving you more stated for a longer period, and not eating as much.
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Calories in is the ultimate issue. People get fat eating lots of fat too.
If you eat no carbs but lots of fat instead, you'll probably be in ketosis and likely not laying down new fat in your tissues.
Re: Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:4, Informative)
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Re: Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:2)
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Prepare to be cancelled bigot.
*tumbleweeds*
Failing to live up to your stereotype is not a valid criticism.
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How did you get from someone talking about pictures from the 1940s, etc the topic of blacks being discriminated against during this period. The two topics are orthogonal! There isn't a single part of the person's posting that relates to race - NOTHING. Not everything is about race!
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This is the age when obvious sarcasm is no longer obviously sarcasm. Satire is indistinguishable from actual news, causing comedians to despair.
Re:Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:5, Insightful)
Yup, the problem in the US is the "Western Diet" we've created and exported around the world.
We're obese fully as a country, starting at younger and younger ages with each generation....and lack of exercise.
Do children even play with each other in the neighborhood all day during the summers like I did growing up?
I never see kids out playing, riding bikes, playing frisbee...running around wild, etc.
So yes...horrible diet, no exercise. Junk food, fast food, highly processed foods in stead of proper fresh home prepared foods the majority of the time, with proteins, good fats, lower carbs and veggies.
Just go look around YouTube...you can find tons of videos of people in the 60's - 80's....I'm not talking actors or staged productions, but just look for crowd scenes in cities, the malls, schools...you almost NEVER see an obese person, and if you do, it is VERY rare.
Today, look at the same things...you rarely see a fit person that is at what should be a normal weight, without a gut hanging off them.
So..what changed between say the early 70's and now?
Surely we haven't evolved genetically to that great of an extent in this short period of time.
There was no need then to push to "make people feel fine with the body they have" with regard to weight, because...it wasn't a fucking problem that was wide spread as it is today.
It's spreading throughout the world because, our bad lifestyle habits (bad food, sedentary) have spread like a cancer throughout much of the world, especially the western world.
Re:Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:5, Insightful)
"Do children even play with each other in the neighborhood all day during the summers like I did growing up?"
Their parents won't let them go out and play all day.
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Ah, the old "bad west" narrative. As the food supply increases people will eat more. It comes with increasing affluence.
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Re: Anecdotally, they eat a bad diet in India too (Score:2)
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we don't eat food, we eat process food like products.
Think American Cheese, which isn't really cheese, but a cheese like product.
Why shop for food? Lemme DoorDash dinner instead
I use Skip the Dishes and DoorDash a lot. I'm not ordering McDonalds though, I'm ordering from local restaurants that specialize in Indian, Caribbean, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, Greek, Italian, African, Mexican, and South American food, among others. None of them use fake cheese, but I recognize not all of them are super healthy either, despite not being "highly processed" at all. There is much more to it than that.
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Well, it could be the case in India.
I think that fat-phobia in diets was most concentrated in the USA.
But the problem wasn't just railing against fat, it was that it more often than not wasn't just substituted for with carbs, that more often than not, the substitution for fat was sugar(to include things like corn syrup).
From my dietary studies, I've found that a good balance is generally an even split between fat, carbs, and protein, calorie wise. This gives you enough fat for nutritional needs(fat soluble
Yes, I do (Score:2)
I believe high carbs are not helpful, but combined with a bunch of fat, it's a perfect storm for the development of arterial plaques. The issue is total calories more than anything else.
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No, it isn't.
You were doing so well and then you screwed it all up.
The math is: calories DIGESTED less calories burned. And even that's grossly oversimplified.
You aren't what you eat. You are what you don't poop. If you really pound down the food, especially if you don't chew it well, you will not digest all of it.
But also, what you eat has a direct influence on your intestinal biota, and that has a huge percentage of responsibility for what you digest.
There are many factors, and total caloric intake is pos
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I'm a diabetic. I know what my plaques look like better than you probably know yours, even my brain plaques. They are significant but have not changed much since I altered my diet to control calories in addition to minimizing carbs. Also, it makes the glycemic control a lot easier.
It is harsh, but the less you eat, the longer you live.
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Right, which is why vegans, who typically eat lower amounts of saturated fat, and lots more carbs, have skyrocketing rates of CVD.
Not.
Funny how those who consume no cholesterol have among the lowest rates of CVD.
What is CVD? It's a bloodstream blockage made of...cholesterol. How are fats transported in the body? Through blood.
Fill your blood with fats, and they form blockages.
Reduce those fats, and you get far fewer blockages, or even reverse the condition (which has been done over and over on a low-fat veg
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your answer is too simplistic.
cyclists burn the carbs and smooth out the blood sugar spikes with constant aerobics.
look up how General Eisenhour died. they prescribed him a high carb low far diet. it led to 7 heart attacks.
and he used to work out and eat less.
cholesterol transports nutrients and heals wounds across the body. the ratio of the smaller more dangerous pellets vs the larger ones is the key. the absolute number even at a descent ratio.
first the ratio.
the liver is the key point. if you ea
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Isn't vegan all plant based and no animal or animal byproducts? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you are actually a pescatarian since you eat fish. It's suppose to be a good diet overall. Or so I've read.
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Hmmm (Score:3)
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I've rarely seen an obese cocaine enthusiast.
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2010 - 2016 (Score:2)
At least with that timeframe, that can't go blaming it on the COVID vaccine.
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But it *might* be a combination of Covid itself (which in milder form, has been around, complete with spike protiens, since the 1960s) and obesity (which fits the time frame)
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But it *might* be a combination of Covid itself (which in milder form, has been around, complete with spike protiens, since the 1960s) and obesity (which fits the time frame)
It's possible that Covid-19 had an additional effect on heart attacks in young people. However, this study does not at all support that idea. Indeed, it has no comment whatsoever on that idea since the study data completely predates Covid-19. Perhaps you are suggesting that Covid-19 has similar effects on heart attacks compared to other coronaviruses, but that's a huge stretch that needs to be supported, especially since the effects of Covid-19 have been markedly different in many ways to other coronavir
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There's quite a bit of evidence that the Russian Flu pandemic of 1889 was Covid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Well, the summary also does also say this:
And that does put it well within the covid vaccines which HAVE been shown some connection to young people, especially males having increased cases of heart
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And that does put it well within the covid vaccines which HAVE been shown some connection to young people, especially males having increased cases of heart problems.
I'm not saying it is the cause by itself, BUT it seems since the pandemic hit, it may be contributing to extra problems on top of those being seen prior to it.
You don't think not leaving the house for months might have had something to do with it?
I'm going to suggest that accounts for pretty much all of the uptick. People went from sedentary to positively sessile.
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Everywhere I know of that had strict lockdowns and masking rules had exemptions for vigorous exercise or similar. So people were always allowed out of their house, unmasked, to go for a run, vigorous bike ride etc. If people got fat, it's not because they were confined to their homes by an oppressive government.... and even if that WAS the case, they still could have run up and down the stairs, climbed up and down a milk crate, lifted heavy things, done sit-ups.... It's really not that hard to move around a
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(The latest conspiracy theory appears to be that polio elimination was due to DDT elimination, and not due to the vaccine...alas for humanity).
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The latest conspiracy theory appears to be that polio elimination was due to DDT elimination, and not due to the vaccine
So switching to EVs should cure malaria. This is too easy once you know how it works.
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But vaccine microchips have micro-DeLoreans, my Ivermectin supplier told me.
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The study covered 2020, the vaccine was released Dec. 14, 2020.
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I also don't recall professional athletes dropping like flies from heart issues.
I do. That's why ephedrine was banned by the FDA.
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Len Bias has entered the chat.
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Similarly in line is the idea of panicking at the
Even sons of famous athletes get them (Score:5, Interesting)
As the article said. last week Lebron James (the most famous basketball player in the world)'s teenage son collapsed on the court and suffered this.
Aside from all the cretins that crawl out and claim vaccine, this study shows that this is endemic even before covid, and that you could have the best diet in the world, with the best doctors looking after you, and exercise everyday, and still get heart attacks.
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> Aside from all the cretins that crawl out and claim vaccine [caused it] ...
USA is also experiencing more conspiracy addiction, which just may be as problematic is heart problems. Conspiranuts already attempted a coup, I mean "assertive tourism".
Is it lack of education, or brainwashing, or both? Even my parents get snagged, and they are not heavy internet surfers.
AIR POLLUTION (Score:3)
Chemical exposure along with increased weight gain are likely the cause. Oh, chemicals are in food as well; but what is in the air and water changes slightly over time depending on what industrial processes we fail to manage safely. Decades of time go bye before it's even "controversial" and then more before it's starting to be blamed and banned officially.
Remember leaded gas and how long that took despite common sense of generations... we had to prove it guilty like it was a person. We never error on th
I'd wager stress is the #1 cause (Score:2)
The main difference in life between you, your parents, and your grandparents is the information age. If you're old enough to remember life before the internet, it profoundly changed our lives and the level of stimulation as well as stress and insomnia. That is a massive change that leads to stress, which leads to cardiac arrest. Chemicals are probably not innocent, but environmental regulations hav
Re:Even sons of famous athletes get them (Score:5, Insightful)
this study shows (...) that you could have the best diet in the world, with the best doctors looking after you, and exercise everyday
all their abstract says is: younger patients had similar risk factors except increased substance abuse (i would expect that), and lower hypertension (that too, since it comes with age), and had similar mortality/complication rate over a 11 years period. also note: these were all patients who already came in with a heart attack. this is not general population.
how you go from there to some form of endemic disease that is impervious to eating healthy and exercising properly is my guess. the abstract doesn't say any of this. if you have read the (paywalled) study, could you just telegraphically outline the data that supports this claim? tia.
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I'd be curious to see if the rate of 'young people heart attacks' has increased since covaids and/or vaccination, overall, due to the fact that heart failure (via myocarditis) -has- gone up significantly, and -is- caused by the vaccines (spike proteins, at least).
No conspiracy necessary, Pfizer as much as admits it now. It's public knowledge/Science(tm).
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"Significantly"? Cite your data.
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I agree that the pandemic is the first place to look. But it seems obvious that the virus is a much more likely culprit than the vaccine. Research shows a large difference in risk.
People motivated by distrust in science and government are eager to point the finger at vaccines.
I'm not one of them.
Constant, grinding stress will do that to ya... (Score:5, Insightful)
Stress + Overstimulation FTW! (Score:5, Insightful)
...also makes you tend to overeat.
I think you're on to something. The major factor about today vs previous generations is that in the information age, we consume more information in 1 year than we did in 10 last century. While not everyone is ravenous for information, most people in my circles are. They're online reading constantly. Stupid gym bros know more about microbiology and nutrition than my college biochemistry professors did. I've met gym meatheads and martial arts buffs, with blue collar jobs (vs the health/biotech field) who know more about mitochondria than professors did in the late 90s when I was taking biochemistry classes in college. They seem to know a lot more about the nuances of metabolism than my actual PCP doctor does. Why? They're online constantly reading papers, podcasts, articles, watching videos, etc. Anyone can be a scholar. Most serious fans today know more about the movie industry than university film scholars in the 90s. The internet is a bottomless source of information, entertainment, knowledge, and stimulation.
...but yeah, I can see why people are having heart attacks younger. We're not designed for this level of stimulation, learning, nor never having any downtime nor limitation in the amount of stimulation we can receive. I don't think it's common knowledge or practice for white collar professionals to disconnect after work hours and limit stimulation and learning and take time to properly relax, disconnected.
That's the positive, the negative is that I don't think our brains were built for this level of knowledge. I think this is stressful. I think we get too much stimulation and it wears down our endocrine system. Most professionals I know work 8h. Then even when waiting in line, they're on their phone either socializing or reading...then they're watching TV while either playing a game or reading or socializing. We're constantly stimulated. We're never bored. Most people I know won't even walk home without listening to a podcast or even reading (which I'm surprised they haven't been hit by a car yet...my neighbor is constantly reading his e-mails while walking his dog).
Most of us also have a device which alerts us 24/7 of any work e-mails or messages, in our pocket. Our source of entertainment prompts us any time our boss e-mails us. My watch vibrates late at night every time someone in India or Europe has a question. Even though I tell them I'll answer them during business hours, it's still a tiny bit stressful telling work "not now." I'd have less stress if I stopped thinking about work on weekends and after 6.
I am thriving because I take active steps to reduce stimulation and have a work/life balance. I also workout heavily daily and eat health food like a psychopath...
Study is a bit old (Score:2)
The study was published in 2019. Why is NatGeo discussing it now?
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It's interesting?
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And? It also would have been interesting four years ago.
Why wait?
COVID infections increase risk of heart attack (Score:2)
Paywalled (Score:2)
Please don't post links to paywalled sites like NG
Don't let toxic masculinity kill you (Score:3)
So, my (M/54) story.
In Summer of 2017, a friend passed from cancer. A few weeks later was his memorial, and I took a few hours off from work to attend it. Before heading out, my boss asked me to haul a rotating display rack down from the loft. I was pissed, because on an already depressing day, now I had to deal with pulling an upper back muscle on top of everything else. It ached just like when I pulled a back muscle in high school, which I never forgot. I knew it would be with me a while, just as it was then. Man, my boss was a see you next tuesday.
I headed to the memorial, and, despite doing the standard stretching, twisting, and self-kneading to ease it, the pain would not give. The memorial event was over-attended (he was a great guy) for the venue size, and I arrived too late to get a seat indoors. So, I sat outside with the dozen or so other mourners, in the afternoon summer sun. And I could NOT f#cking get rid of the muscle pain. My brain started unconsciously doing certain calculations and comparisons, and it suddenly occurred to me that this might be a cardiac issue. So, I sat there, in a growing panic, while formulating my next steps: I would leave to head back to work (and air conditioning, which my car did not have), and maybe eat something. Yeah, that was it! I needed AC and food! So, I had some food and chilled in the AC at work, where the symptoms gradually eased and eventually went away.
One week later, I was getting ready for bed, and I got the same pain. Then, I also had other symptoms that I didn't associate with heart attacks, so I was damned confused. Therefore, I consulted Dr. Google, and I was reading symptoms on some hospital websites. They all seemed to have the same info (not entirely matching mine), until I got to the last one before heading to the ER. Yes, it had ALL the same damned symptoms listed, but, at the bottom of the page, it said that women have certain different symptoms, and I thought it must suck for women, because medicine is weighted for men, which means female symptoms get short shrift. Being naturally a curious minded individual, I read the ladies' reported rare symptoms.
Match.
A tiny voice--a tiny, toxic masculine voice--in my head, said, "but, Paul, you aren't a chick! Don't fail your balls!" And, after the slightest hesitation, I said back, "fuck you, you toxic little shit, but fuck you LATER, because I gotta get to the ER now."
In short, I was having about the worst heart attack you can have. It is usually fatal as fucking fuck, which is why they call it the "widow maker." I honestly would be dead right now, had I dismissed the reported female symptoms to protect my masculinity. Thank god I had the sense to just run with the info and go to the ER. I woke up in ICU to the beautiful feeling of morphine being injected in my arm, but otherwise feeling like someone had parked a Cooper Mini on me. Three days in hospital, and a few weeks before I could sleep on my side again. 0/10, would not recommend.
So, men: the most important advice I can give you from this experience is kill that toxic masculinity fucker in your head and throw him aside. If I had felt my balls threatened because I couldn't accept that my symptoms weren't all GUY symptoms, then I would be dead (or, rather, still dead, as they broke my ribs and shocked me back into this plane of existence).
[Related: I now can honestly quote one of my favorite Spock lines, in times of trouble: "I've been dead before." It always gives me a kick.]
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Are you serious here? How is assuming something that is both rare and primarily happens to women isnt happening to you, a man, toxic masculinity? All it is is playing the odds.
You sound ridiculous.
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I may, but you sound like a petulant child. Your contribution to the discussion is bad, and you should feel bad.
Reviewing some of your other comments, yeah, I peg you at about 12. Go home, your mom is calling.
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Oh, I get it. You're an idiot who can't even defend the very dumb thing they said so you're going to personal attacks.
Nice high ground down there.
Thin Man (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: Thin Man (Score:2)
I don't think anyone would call me morbidly obese or so fat that I'd stand out in a crowd
In the U.S. nobody would, and in the U.S. you wouldn't. Across the pond however, we don't often get to see folk like that.
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Young people are often morbidly obese, have terrible diets, and don't exercise. The rates of vertebral subluxations observed in the under-30 crowd is at an all time high. Their spines are effectively rotting, subluxations take hold, disease follows. You could see a chiropractor every day of the week to have the subluxations addressed, but it would be futile with such a damaging lifestyle.
Keep a healthy weight, eat a light diet consisting mostly of organic vegetables and meat, get plenty of exercise, and visit a chiropractor to have your nervous system tuned up so it's firing on all cylinders.
Is this that 'evidence-based chiropracty'?
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Is this that 'evidence-based chiropracty'?
You mock, but if you have an open mind and understand how science works, you could start by reading The Annals of Vertebral Subluxation Research. [vertebrals...search.com] There's enough evidence there supporting subluxation-centred Chiropractic there to keep you reading for a lifetime.
Mock..?
how? please explain
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They are not making it out to be more complicated. They simply observed that the rate for youngins increased.
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That was my point.
It's called sensational headlines to garner attention. "People are DYING" uh huh and?
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This makes sense from medical perspective. Heart is a completely unique kind of muscle tissue in human body, built utterly differently from all other musculature. One of its inherent features is how much of an outlier it is in terms of being able to heal from persistent low level damage. As in it's really, really bad it at, unlike other muscles in human body which tend to be pretty good at it.
This is why cumulative low level damage tends to take out the heart eventually, and why "old age" in heart related m
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Remember Four Loko [wikipedia.org]? That stuff was so bad even the FDA couldn't ignore it. AFAIK, the alcohol+stimulant mix was pulled off the shelf. I think they're still allowed to sell them as separate drinks, but not combined.
Turns out, stimulants not only mess with your heart but also allow you to keep drinking when you would otherwise be sleepy or passed out. I think there was some alcohol poisoning because of that, but it can't be good for your long term health either.
Re: No one would are to suggest its the VAX.... (Score:2)
Nobody would, only antivax idiots, right. Cos this study predates covid. But you surely read that, too.
Admittedly, antivax crowd are living in an alternate reality with alternate facts, or so they claim. Which is only testimony to their idiocracy.
""A study of more than 2,000 young adults admitted for heart attack between 2000 and 2016 in two U.S. hospitals found that 1 in 5 were 40 years old or younger -- and that the proportion of this group has been increasing by 2 percent each year for the last decade.""