Europe Braces for Sweltering July (esa.int) 98
Temperatures are sizzling across Europe this week amid an intense and prolonged period of heat. And it's only just begun. From a report: Italy, Spain, France, Germany and Poland are all facing a major heatwave with air temperatures expected to climb to 48C on the islands of Sicily and Sardinia -- potentially the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe. An anticyclone -- a high-pressure area -- named Cerberus (named after the monster from Dante's Inferno) coming from the south will cause temperatures to rise above 40C across much of Italy. This comes after a spring and early summer full of storms and floods.
The highest temperature in European history was broken on 11 August 2021, when a temperature of 48.8C was recorded in Floridia, an Italian town in the Sicilian province of Syracuse. That record may be broken again in the coming days. The animation below uses data from the Copernicus Sentinel-3 mission's radiometer instrument and shows the land surface temperature across Italy between 9 and 10 July. As the image clearly shows, in some cities the surface of the land exceeded 45C, including Rome, Naples, Taranto and Foggia. Along the east slopes of Mount Etna in Sicily, many temperatures were recorded as over 50C.
The highest temperature in European history was broken on 11 August 2021, when a temperature of 48.8C was recorded in Floridia, an Italian town in the Sicilian province of Syracuse. That record may be broken again in the coming days. The animation below uses data from the Copernicus Sentinel-3 mission's radiometer instrument and shows the land surface temperature across Italy between 9 and 10 July. As the image clearly shows, in some cities the surface of the land exceeded 45C, including Rome, Naples, Taranto and Foggia. Along the east slopes of Mount Etna in Sicily, many temperatures were recorded as over 50C.
Re:Good. I predict girls in bikini's (Score:5, Interesting)
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Then grabbed my phone and googled the conversation....and it's 104F.
Ouch that is hot....well, mostly.
In Europe, these areas....do they get dry heat like we do say in AZ or do they also get the smothering humidity like we get down here in LA ?
I mean, to me...94F with 90+ % Humidity feels MUCH worse and oppressive than say 102-104F with low to no humidity.
I'm guessing due to physics.....it isn't quite as humid over there with temps
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> I'm guessing due to physics.....it isn't quite as humid over there with temps getting up that high.
You're talking about wet-bulb temperature.
Constant exposure to 94F + 90% humidity means death from hyperthermia. This is no joke.
https://www.omnicalculator.com... [omnicalculator.com]
On your side of the pond you have air conditioning because in many places it actually is necessary for human survival. Europe doesn't usually have this kind of conditions. At 45C, if the humidity remains under 30%, healthy humans are still kind
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It's funny mention that.
I've often had conversations with folks wondering about how people in New Orleans not only lived, but lived and worked manual labor jobs back in the days before AC?!?!
I look at those old pictures...and people are going about life in
Re: Good. I predict girls in bikini's (Score:2)
People who live in hotter climates literally experience changes to their blood. The same thing will happen, though, if you just wear a lot of clothing all the time.
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Sometimes the clothes help though. Several layers of dress means the sun is not directly hitting you. The colors were often lighter, parasols were a fashion, and the clothes breathed. Wool and cotton isn't bad in the heat compared to artificial fibers.
And you get used to it also. Growing up in the high heat it was kind of normal. Though you didn't want to do anything strenuous on a hot day, it wasn't unbearable. And the A/C wasn't running all the time, it would be turned off because it was expensive. B
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I've grown up and live my entire life in the SE of the US...Deep South, with the exception of a couple years in AZ (dry
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The problem is a bit more complex.
In large European urban areas (cities) there is a lot of concrete and asphalt, which give off heat more slowly than, say, dirt or wood. During the summer, with nights much shorter than days and sometimes not going below 20 degrees Celsius, the stored heat adds up one day after another, and cities become heat islands.
Temperature is officially measured in white enclosures, therefore when you see "40 degrees were recorded today", it generally means that the real temperature in
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In the more northerly countries, buildings were not designed for high temperatures. Even new buildings often are not, e.g. they only have single aspect windows so creating a through-breeze is not possible.
Retrofitting efficient means of cooling those buildings will be expensive. And difficult, e.g. in the UK people love big windows, but they aren't easy to add exterior shutters to. Most people have central heating, which can't provide cooling at all.
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The logic confuses me a bit here. "Doesn't usually have" means that sometimes it does! So every time there's a heat wave there's a lot of "oh no, we don't have AC in Europe, it's awful!" Last heat wave a couple years ago a lot of Londoner youtubers were finally getting some A/C, even just the portable kind.
I live for awhile in San Diego. Weather is nice, but once a year it gets HOT. And yet no one had A/C except in standalone homes. Apartments and condos never had A/C. I just didn't get it why people
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The logic confuses me a bit here. "Doesn't usually have" means that sometimes it does!
No it means the average home in this parts of Europe do not have AC as opposed the absolutism that no home in Europe has AC. AC exists in Europe like in office buildings but generally not found in homes in places like a Germany. This is no different than the US where the average home in colder regions do not have AC.
So every time there's a heat wave there's a lot of "oh no, we don't have AC in Europe, it's awful!" Last heat wave a couple years ago a lot of Londoner youtubers were finally getting some A/C, even just the portable kind.
And how easy do you think it would be to supply large parts of Europe with AC this summer?
I live for awhile in San Diego. Weather is nice, but once a year it gets HOT. And yet no one had A/C except in standalone homes.
Quantify "hot". Was it 118F hot?
I just didn't get it why people would put up with the heat. After awhile it dawned on me that a lot of this was more psychological - if you go and get A/C then it means you're admitting that the climate is not perfect.
I am pretty sure people who have died in the US this year alone due to h
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118F is Phoenix and well, you live in the desert that's what you get. It's always 105-115F in Phoenix. Hence why I live in San Diego.
I got similar weather in Lancaster/Palmdale, California. Once again, in Mojava desert. Of course it's hot, you are in the desert.
I wouldn't consider those places habitable without AC or otherwise really thick insulted walled structures. Really smart people would build a story underground to take advantage of that.
P.S. Read a story about people going to visit Death Valley, Cali
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I wouldn't consider those places habitable without AC or otherwise really thick insulted walled structures. Really smart people would build a story underground to take advantage of that.
Perhaps you should read "Dune". Yes, difficult, some even say awkward read.
In ancient Persia, now Iran, they had two things that they combined cleverly. Out of necessity or availability, you could say 3 things.
a) Qanats - that is an underground water channel. Sometimes 50 or more yards below the surface. Chiselled into the s
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PS.S. If you wait until you NEED an AC to get an AC, you are of course failing to plan. I bought a portable AC/heater/dehumidifier in late January specifically so I could cool just one room of my home to save money, because I knew it was going to be a hot summer and my rental doesn't have central forced air. Called planning ahead!
If you read my comment, I said how hard would it be to supply large parts of Europe with AC this summer. I did not ask how hard it was for one person in Europe to buy an AC unit at any point in time.
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Maybe this summer will be an eye opener and at least some of them will buy a portal AC. Great for cooling a single room down at an affordable rate. Plenty of people won't but as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it. They got Amazon in Germany. Just go online and order an AC...
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And how easy do you think it would be to supply large parts of Europe with AC this summer?
Super easy of course.
The EU has close to 500 million citizens, that translates to roughly 250million households, perhaps 10million have AC. And right now 100million would probably buy one.
Easy: just get some investors collect the money, and make a shipping order to China to sent you 100M units. Can't be so hard.
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Maybe I'm just use to it but I've lived in San Diego for the past 29 years. 10 years in Florida before that. I actually live 10 miles east of the city, where it's regularly 10-15F hotter then the coast.
You almost never need AC on the coast but every so often it helps. Humidity is the main factor here. In East county (where I'm at) as long as you aren't in the direct sun, 90F is doable. 95F starts to suck and by 100F you then aren't to happy.
Sitting in front of a fan is decent unless your a woman. For some r
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I gets over that regularly in central California. Had a friend visit in the summer who grew up in Atlanta, and he'd always say "it's not the heat, it's the humidity". Except it was 108F or so as I recall and he said "nope, it's the heat..." Problem is, it's not desert heat, and it's not high humidity Georgia heat, instead it's high heat with with moderate humidity.
Went to Europe in the 70s, where it had been 111F and the brief stopover in Dallas was a relief since it was only 100 there and dry. Got to E
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and all that tarmac and concrete raises the temp by a degree or two.
Degree Farenheit or Celsius?
Temperature is usually measure "in the shadow", aka one tries to measure "air temperature".
Over Tarmac or concrete the temperature is easily 20C -50C higher than in the shadow around the corner.
Hint: Tarmac/tar does not melt at 50C ...
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Not "on" the tarmac. But because a lot of weather stations are (were) at airports. My guess is on the control tower.
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In Europe, these areas....do they get dry heat like we do say in AZ or do they also get the smothering humidity like we get down here in LA ?
It depends on the year and general weather and location..
You can have both, dry heat and very humid heat in short succession. Or a dry hot year and the next year it is humid and hot.
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48C is 118F. The US southern states would has problems with that temperature
The US southern states have problems at 10 degrees cooler than this already. Only 2 weeks ago there were 14 heat related deaths in Texas and Louisiana, and it only got to 41C.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news... [aljazeera.com]
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On the other hand in those countries the heat problem is mostly *outside* and not inside of houses.
While an AC would be nice, or might be needed in south facing facades or under the roof of old buildings, if you keep the windows closed during day time and the shades down and only open the window at nicht after midnight, you usually are perfectly fine.
But alas, people are often to uneducated to know when and more importantly when not top open the windows.
Southern Europe is building wise even better off, as t
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Boys in bikinis... ...
Girls in surfboards...
Everybody's rocking...
Here comes a bikini whale! Aaahhhhh.
Rock. Rock... Rock Lobster!
Texas Is In The Middle Of Coming Heat Wave (Score:1)
We didn't get no fancy Slashdot post!
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Texas heatwave didn't get remotely to this temperature and you brag about it being routinely mid 30s there. America doesn't need to be part of everything.
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Someone needs a chill pill.
Re:And our Gouvernments are still ... (Score:5, Insightful)
and the vast majority still thinks the big problem is a few dozen youths gluing themselves to the roads to point out the issue.
Well yes. It is worth noting that extinction rebellion are actively working against the interest of climate solutions now. The mark of a good protest is that you make a highly visible statement inconveniencing the people you target in order to get the general public on your side.
A good example is Greenpeace dropping a container in St James Square blocking the entrance to bp's head office. It was funny, it caused corporate suits at an oil company to close their head office for the day, it raised awareness, and I applaud them for their stunt and think they should do more. Another good example is a highly visible in the media protest where you occupy a deserted town that is supposed to turn into a coal mine.
A bad example is gluing yourself on the road, pissing off normal commuters (including those driving Teslas) while doing nothing NOTHING AT ALL to policy makers or the fossil industry other than giving them ammunition and support for passing laws to reign in freedoms. Another bad example is gluing yourself to art, literally damaging human history created by people who have done nothing to cause this current issue, inconveniencing museums, and making the public think you're mentally challenged all while doing nothing NOTHING AT ALL to policy makers or the foss... but I repeat myself.
Fuck those idiots who glue themselves to roads, the only thing they're going to achieve is citizens losing the right to free protest as they've turned the public against the idea of protesting.
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Not only that, but if Covid and the reaction of people to the measures is any indicator, people will fight anything that inconveniences them, even if it is in their own interest. I'm actually waiting for the first people to go out of their way to cause deliberate damage to the climate in an act of defiance.
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> I'm actually waiting for the first people to go out of their way to cause deliberate damage to the climate in an act of defiance.
Such as Rolling Coal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Or Germany... since they have reopened coal plants they need, who'd have thunk it, more coal... so in Garzweiler, 8 wind turbines are in the way and will be torn down to make room for the open pit mine.
You couldn't come up with a more grotesque story if you smoked the funny plants.
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Germany has not reopened any coal plant since a decade, or two.
Dumbass
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Since this (and stuff like burning tires) is illegal around here, I'd more expect stuff like deliberately ordering and evaporating dry ice or emptying out spray cans in inappropriate locations (and amounts).
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Yes, the most effective protest is one where everyone can just ignore you.
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Your sarcasm is noted, it's like you didn't read my post at all. The people who are capable of making decisions are in this case ignoring them, and when they aren't ignoring them they are getting very real support for reigning in freedoms.
This isn't some hypothetical bullshit. Just look to the UK where the actions of Extinction Rebellion has lead to ... the police gaining discretionary powers to arrest protestors. That's what they achieved, and people applauded the police for it.
Just protesting is dumb. You
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The people who are capable of making decisions are in this case ignoring them, and when they aren't ignoring them they are getting very real support for reigning in freedoms.
1) Reining. Don't use words you don't understand. It makes it obvious you don't understand them.
2) The more they tighten their grasp, the better. Until the loss of rights affects the average choad on the street, they will never care. Going more authoritarian leads more rapidly to rebellion.
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In Germany we had a protest like your "gluing to the ground" example.
They did not do that exactly but did not let pass an ambulance with a dying patient inside.
The patient died.
For some odd reason the people in court now don't grasp the difference between freedom of speech and manslaughter,
It's called El Nino & sunspots (Score:1, Troll)
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Sometimes it really does feel like there is a lot of fear mongering going on, especially from my friends. Can you share with me information that shows that CO2 and Methane are not green house gasses and don't have the impacts on climate that many people are claiming? Thanks in advance.
Re: It's called El Nino & sunspots (Score:2)
Re: It's called El Nino & sunspots (Score:2, Flamebait)
In fact, CO2 is a very weak greenhouse gas. Any amount of research will verify that for you. More, the atmospheric sensitivity drops of rapidly.
The theory is that a slight increase in temperature will cause an increase in water vapor, and H2O is a much more powerful greenhouse gas. The problem with this theory is that water also turns into clouds, which have a high albedo and a net cooling effect.
tl;dr on CO2: it's mostly BS.
Which is not to say that humans aren't having a massive impact on the environmen
Re: It's called El Nino & sunspots (Score:5, Informative)
In fact, CO2 is a very weak greenhouse gas. Any amount of research will verify that for you.
It is a weak greenhouse gas... but you also need to keep in mind that the anthropogenic greenhouse effect is a small amount. It's about 1 degree K over the last fifty years or so, against a baseline temperature around 300 K.
More specifically, the atmospheric sensitivity drops of rapidly.
Greenhouse warming is logarithmic in gas concentration. This has been known for over a century. At the moment, we have not yet even increased CO2 concentration by a factor of two, so we're still in the linear range.
The theory is that a slight increase in temperature will cause an increase in water vapor, and H2O is a much more powerful greenhouse gas.
Yes, this has been well studied. The classic paper is Manabe and Wetherald 1967, but there have been many others since.
The problem with this theory is that water also turns into clouds, which have a high albedo and a net cooling effect.
This has also been well studied. Clouds stop both incident solar radiation and outgoing IR, so they have both heating and cooling properties. The net result-- and this has been intensively studied for fifty years now-- is that they are a small perturbation.
tl;dr on CO2: it's mostly BS.
People who don't understand the science think that, yes. It may have been even a credible argument... twenty years ago. But the evidence is now pretty much overwhelming.
The bottom line is that we measure the input, we measure the output, we measure the temperature and the models have matched the measured temperature. Manabe and Wetherald were right: Greenhouse gasses are warming the Earth. This may indeed be a small change on an absolute scale, but we are finely adapted to the current global climate, and there will be consequences to changing it.
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Also the idea that we could spend the last 140 years burning coal, burning oil, burning gas on the scale of billions and billions of tons, made up of material that was sequestered by natural processes that took millions of years and it would no effect on the atmosphere is a leap of logic.
CO2 is in fact a weak greenhouse gas but we have dumped an enormous amount of it in the air what on a climate timescale is the blink of an eye. On top of that it takes a very very long time for CO2 to naturally dissipate or
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It may have been even a credible argument... twenty years ago./i ...
You mean 120 years ago
Re:It's called El Nino & sunspots (Score:5, Insightful)
HUGE increase in sunspots with solar cycle 25, along with CME's that have hit Earth (causing the aurora to be seen in much lower parts
of the Earth than typical). When they hit the Earth, they alter weather patterns because they change the magnetic bubble around our
planet.
But, it's cow farts, jet planes and us burning oil is the problem...so, turn off your AC, eat bugs and be happy while the globalist
run all over the planet in their private jets, wine and dine like the fat cats they are.
Have you always been this dumb or is this a recent thing?
Re: It's called El Nino & sunspots (Score:2)
You mean, they refuse to understand... Which I understand perfectly well. Their lifestyles can only be justified if they ignore reality.
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On one hand it's hypocritical, on the other hand it's also not wrong.
If the developing world comes up on fossil fuels, it will destroy them along with everyone else. Physics doesn't care about hypocrisy.
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The great part about physics in general, and the behaviour of the world specifically, is that it's going to do what it will do no matter what you think about the reason. So you can sit there and bitch all you like about how "it's not us", and it won't make the tiniest bit of difference to anybody but yourself. You're pissing in the wind. All of the causal arguments will fall away as unimportant as the climate changes.
I'm done with the stupidity on all sides of this. I'm just going to laugh as the world gets the final say.
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I'm done trying to convince dolts like you. I'm 50. I have no kids. I am on the way out, and the planet will last the 30ish years I might have left.
Sucks to be you. And your kids. But I really can't be assed anymore to give a fuck about either.
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You can thank me, that way you at least thank not only someone who actually exists, you also thank the one responsible for it.
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Actually by not reproducing you've done more for climate change than many people will in their lifetimes, so yes you are genuinely worth thanking :-)
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If you are interested in how to participate [vhemt.org]...
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Hear hear!!
On this we can agree....I plan to live my remaining years in the manner I have until present and I don't see any reason to self sacrifice creature comforts of lifestyle I've enjoyed to date.
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HUGE increase in sunspots with solar cycle 25,
People have been searching for a connection between sunspots and climate for over two hundred years and have consistently failed to find one.
along with CME's that have hit Earth (causing the aurora to be seen in much lower parts of the Earth than typical). When they hit the Earth, they alter weather patterns because they change the magnetic bubble around our planet.
...which has no detectable effect on climate.
But, it's cow farts, jet planes and us burning oil is the problem...so, turn off your AC, eat bugs and be happy while the globalist run all over the planet in their private jets, wine and dine like the fat cats they are.
Dismissing the overwhelming evidence supporting the science does not actually make the effect go away. If you disagree with proposed solutions... that's fine, let's see you propose different solutions. But saying "I don't like some of the proposed solutions, therefore I will spread around bullshit saying the science is wrong
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HUGE increase in sunspots with solar cycle 25
Hold the fucking phone. *Checks calendar* Is it 2014 again? I thought that bullshit was debated so to death a decade ago that no one would be stupid enough to think of mentioning it again.
How can you be that ignorant? Like seriously I want to know. I think a blind deaf dumb person with a learning disability at this point knows that sun spots have zero to do with global warming. But here you are in a category all of your own. Do you go to a school where you study the art of looking as stupid as possible? Did
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Sunspots are not taught in school. Most certainly not their effect on weather (or climate).
JFYI.
Ofc. the parent is super dumb, but your argument against him makes no sense either.
Dante's Inferno? Seriously? (Score:2)
The monster — a three-headed dog — was part of Ancient Greek mythology for thousands of years before Dante. Dante had the classical education, that certain journalists lack...
Sheesh, maybe, the weather phenomenon is named after a certain invention from MIT [wikipedia.org], huh?..
LOL (volume 3) (Score:1)
Quote: "[temperatures] climb to 48C on the islands of Sicily and Sardinia -- potentially the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe."
False. Let's be clear, when they write "recorded" they REALLY mean "recorded using the standard recording process" aka "in the middle of nowhere out of cities, at 1.5m over the ground, in direct sun, at I don't remember what time".
Now, the TRUTH. We humans DO NOT LIVE THERE, we live in the cities. I've seen the Government thermometer, in summer, under the sun, in the str
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Now, the TRUTH. We humans DO NOT LIVE THERE, we live in the cities. I've seen the Government thermometer, in summer, under the sun, in the streets of Seville at 55ÂC... which is 7ÂC over the "ever recorded" temperatures of the article.
The reason they don't use temperatures from cities is because of the heat island effect. All those people and cars and trucks and buses and everything else running, and giving off heat, not to mention the excess heat coming off the blacktop or reflected off concrete
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> Why would you record temperatures there knowing all that excess heat is around?
Why wouldn't you? I don't know if it's true for the whole world, but some large parts of the world the majority of people live in cities. I would think it's relevant. And that excess heat that cities produce, well it goes somewhere doesn't?
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Because they're trying to find what the temperature is exclusive of the excess heat generated by cities. Heat islands for cities only really affect the city and a small area outside the city (heat still radiates outward). However, once you get outside cities the true temperature is what you feel and what is recorded.
Yes, the heat from cities has to go somewhere, and that certainly is contributing to increasing temperatures, but relying on readings from cities will skew the results because their temperatur
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Everyone in the world measures air temperature in the shadow.
And that is what the record temperature is about
Fucking obviously: he real temperature for a human walking along a road that was heated up since 6h+ and is in plain sun: is 20C aka 60F higher that is a damn no brainer. But the temperature in the sun is not that interesting as it is as it is: the sun heating up the ground. You could bake eggs on the ground since 100 years ... who cares?
What people care about is that at midnight the temperature is n
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Because that's the temperatures you actually have to endure.
If you have a "45 degree heat wave" and people outside of cities read about it, they will bemoan how they always have to deal with 40ish degrees. Not understanding that those 45 degrees actually mean over 50.
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Oh not this shit again.
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Great, I got downvoted for saying that TV Weather should say the REAL temperature inside cities (the one people WILL suffer) instead of the "standard middle-of-nowhere" temperature used for temperature tracking, which is 5-10 degrees LOWER!
They must be someone a "despicable" meteorologist...
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If it crosses over to the UK, I can fry bacon on my neighbour's car. Always wanted to do that, though I know not why.
Is it because you're sick of boiled bacon?
Finally, a Brexit bonus! (Score:4, Funny)
It's been chucking it down with rain here in the UK, and cool enough to think seriously about wearing a coat if you have to go out.
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Still rates as a heat wave in the UK, though.
However, when it does get cold enough that you actually do have to wear that coat, public transport and pensioners will collapse from the cold.
Comples problem [Re: we do need to dim the Sun...] (Score:2)
If it were possible to reduce the brightness of the Sun by 1-2% we would both, stop the energy increase and at 2% would start a cooling process....
Partly. Decreasing solar insolation would decrease the temperature rise... but it would also decrease photosynthesis by roughly the same amount, and photosynthesis is what's pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere.
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No doubt that decreasing the energy input by 1-2% of solar radiation will decrease the photosynthesis by a percentage point, so what? It will not decrease it by any amount that we would notice but we would notice negative effects of aerosols (that would also decrease the photosynthesis). The difference is that the aerosols disperse and will probably pollute, and also would prevent some of the heat from radiating *away* from Earth on the night side, the satellites would be kept on the sunny side, wouldn't
Re:Complex problem [Re: we do need to dim the Sun. (Score:2)
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I understand that you believe you found good counter points to my high level proposition, however I didn't provide enough details for you to attack except for the bare minimum, so why did you do it?
a. It doesn't matter how much CO2 is produced during the construction of the satellites and during the launch either (though the launch doesn't really produce CO2, a hydrogen / oxygen launch vehicle doesn't produce carbon emissions). It doesn't matter though because I am not talking about reducing CO2 in the fir
Re: Follow the Money (Score:2)
Why stop at one stupid statement when you can make two at the same time, right?
Tour de France (Score:3, Funny)
The riders are having to double-up on drugs to keep going in this heat.
130 possible in death valley... (Score:2)
That's crazy. I smoked a nice thick striploin steak with applewood in my kamado joe for lunch today, and 130 was about the internal temperature when it was done.
I picked a seriously (Score:2)