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Scientists in India Protest Move To Drop Darwinian Evolution From Textbooks (science.org) 96

Scientists in India are protesting a decision to remove discussion of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution from textbooks used by millions of students in ninth and 10th grades. More than 4000 researchers and others have so far signed an open letter asking officials to restore the material. From a report: The removal makes "a travesty of the notion of a well-rounded secondary education," says evolutionary biologist Amitabh Joshi of the Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research. Other researchers fear it signals a growing embrace of pseudoscience by Indian officials. The Breakthrough Science Society, a nonprofit group, launched the open letter on 20 April after learning that the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT), an autonomous government organization that sets curricula and publishes textbooks for India's 256 million primary and secondary students, had made the move as part of a "content rationalization" process.

NCERT first removed discussion of Darwinian evolution from the textbooks at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic in order to streamline online classes, the society says. (Last year, NCERT issued a document that said it wanted to avoid content that was "irrelevant" in the "present context.") NCERT officials declined to answer questions about the decision to make the removal permanent. They referred ScienceInsider to India's Ministry of Education, which had not provided comment as this story went to press.

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Scientists in India Protest Move To Drop Darwinian Evolution From Textbooks

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  • A victory ... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Scientists in India Protest Move To Drop Darwinian Evolution From Textbooks

    A victory for morons world wide.

    • Re:A victory ... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by RitchCraft ( 6454710 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:30PM (#63491764)
      Let's also hope they believe the world is flat and stay where they are for fear of falling off.
      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        Then Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was giving an interview to the British press and asked whether he had a Biblical Literalist interpretation on Evolution and the Origin of Life. His interviewer was casting for a sound bite from a "rube" from "the ignorant interior of the U.S."

        Were I interviewed and questioned about rejecting Darwinian Evolution, I would have loved to reply, "That life emerged spontaneously in the conditions of the Early Earth is preposterous. My so

        • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          > "That life emerged spontaneously in the conditions of the Early Earth is preposterous.

          Bullshit definitively emerges spontaneously today.

          (Actually I suspect life originated outside our solar system and seeded Earth. Spores can survive on asteroids for several millions of years. It takes just one lucky spore to survive the trip.)

          • Spores can survive on asteroids for several millions of years. It takes just one lucky spore to survive the trip.

            That hypothesis also neatly explains what's wrong with society today - inbreeding!

          • And where did those spores come from? Is it spores all the way down?

        • Well, even If the first cells were created by some supernatural being, we have several hundred million years of darvinian evolution after that.
          • Well, even If the first cells were created by some supernatural being, we have several hundred million years of Darwinian evolution after that.

            That would make much of monotheist religious texts pure myth, except for possibly the human wars and human history.

          • I think that represetns a common view in mainstream Christianity. The problem is that the anti-science fundamentalists are much louder as well as politically connected.

        • to suggest that life couldn't originate on earth, given that we've (repeatedly) replicated the necessary conditions in a lab.

          The problem isn't that we can't show life can come from non-life. It's that we have way, way too many different ways to choose from to know which one was it.

          Hell, people say "how can life come from non-life?". Was that sandwich you ate alive? Are you alive? Well, there's life coming from non-life (before you pick this apart there's a whole lot more that goes with it).
        • by mad7777 ( 946676 )
          Even if what you're saying were true (it's not), why are we changing the subject? I thought we were discussing Darwinian evolution here? Now you want to ban discussions of the origin of life, too? I'm sure we're all very confused.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:42PM (#63491810)

    You would think Slashdot would have increased the width of its comment title database field since 1997.

    Anyway, this is exactly the educational regression that occurs every time a far right wing government gets into power anywhere in the world. See Florida where books are being banned all over the place for not following a specific political viewpoint - so much for free speech!

    It is hard to keep control of an educated workforce, you see. You need a pliant dumb workforce to keep in power, and to fill your enforcers (the police) with dumb cops to protect yourself.

    • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:47PM (#63491824)
      Governments of any type or political bent will ban science they disagree with. The soviets pushed Lysenkoism because they fucked up their food production when the collectivized all the farms and needed a way to explain their failures. Not exactly a right-wing political party were they?
      • they did the same damn fool thing China did: Double plant and except magic to make the plants adapt and grow more food.

        Everyone knew it was wrong but nobody wanted to tell Stalin (or Mao) that. That's what happens when you put violent dictators in charge. They're good a violence, not running a country.
    • The same is also true when a far left government gets into power. The Soviets also wanted a compliant workforce.
    • You would think Slashdot would have increased the width of its comment title database field since 1997.

      Why would they? If they did, then people might mistakenly believe that titles should be used for comment content.

  • They're even destroying science in India!

    • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:49PM (#63491834)

      Nah, this is good ol' home spun Hindi Nationalism. Modi is just another dictator with no clue. But I'm sure the Christian Right in the U.S. will be taking note on how its done.

      • they wrote the book on the subject. They've been going after evolution since it was discovered. Google "God Of The Gaps".

        For religious extremists science is a major threat to them. They need a monopoly on absolute truth.
    • it closes one of the major "God of the Gaps" arguments. e.g. "where did we come from?".

      Worse, it also answers the question "Where does morality come from" with "We evolved as a social species".

      From day one religious extremists have been after it. Every mega preacher and right wing hack politician who can't run a country has been after it.

      The take away is that they never stop. Every time you beat them back they come right back at you.

      We need more education, and education that focuses on crit
      • by Anachronous Coward ( 6177134 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:17PM (#63491978)

        I went to Catholic elementary school starting in the mid 1960s. They had no trouble teaching us about evolution, along with "God did it."

        "But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8.

        (On the other hand, they never had us read very much of the Bible. They were too smart for that.)

        • Fundamentalists only believe in metaphor when it suits them. Catholics, otoh, have occasionally been at the forefront of science. After fighting it for a while back in the past, ofc.

          That verse is a useful thing to bring up with creationists, et. al.

          It occurs to me that Gutenberg created Fundies. The illiterate and illogical became literate but still illogical. This is a bit of a snark because we know the real reasons for all of this. Power.

        • in the modern era. Heck there was talk of making the "Big Bang" cannon at one point (the scientist in question turned the Pope down, preferring people to come to the conclusion on their own).

          But they're also not the only or even the most politically important denomination.

          The problem is Protestant Evangelicals. The ones Goldwater Warned us about.

          They are deeply opposed to teaching evolution. Go look up Ken Ham & Kent Hovind. They're both extremely influential and politically powerful and the
        • I and perhaps others who consider themselves bible-studying christians find scoffing at good-hearted, earnest people who have, in some cases devoted their whole lives, or even suffered, but in modernity mostly put money, sweat and time to the revealing of the workings of the universe, some of these humans also being believers in Christ are labelled as "evil" for exploring god's fine work and offering sensible explanations of the mechanics of the universe, to be the real offense. As if their god is Loki, dec

      • Yes - people who don't understand their own religion don't understand a lot of other things, too.

        I have no particular religious beliefs, but I was brought up in a classic Christian protestant environment in the South. Very few people had any issue with "church" vs "science", they are two different things as a very basic level - intangible vs tangible worlds. I managed to grasp that concept at about 5 years old, everyone else around me seemed to understand it perfectly well. The very fe

  • just as the COVID virus was evolving to kill more of them.

    Perhaps these stupidities take care of themselves, by evolution.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Like birth control.
  • The great thing about shitty thinking is that it can't be confined to just a narrow slice of the mind. Let them be. They'll compartmentalize themselves.

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  • It's no surprise that they'd skip the real reason; but "avoid content that was "irrelevant" in the "present context."" is a magnificently bad excuse.

    It's honestly hard to think of a place where evolutionary theory would be more relevant than in relatively introductory bio. There are certainly some interesting pieces of stamp collecting to go over as well; nucleotide base pairs, the Krebs cycle, food webs, etc. but evolution is the one that's simultaneously fairly simple(if you keep to broad strokes) and
  • Absurd (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Mr_Blank ( 172031 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:37PM (#63492224) Journal

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." — M. de Voltaire

  • It's like it was back when I was a kid, everyone was trying to copy the US.

    The difference is, back then, the US was ahead, not behind.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    I decided to fact check this further. It seems they have dropped this because similar content is available in lower or higher grades as per this. See the full list : https://ncert.nic.in/pdf/Bookl... [ncert.nic.in] There are various other topics like periodic table, sources of energy in Science and Math has topics like area of triangle, trigonometric ratios and bunch of other crap which are very important foundations for science and math in general. They were removed for this grade textbook BUT It doesn't mean students
  • It's always corrupt degenerates who have a problem with it, not people you would want to be or have any dealings with.
  • ...to suppress education. Typically, people want to learn and want their children to learn to make better lives from themselves. There's a good example of how quickly things can turn around from Nicaragua in the 1980s. The Somoza regime there deliberately kept its population uneducated & illiterate because they only wanted farmers & labourers to service US agribusinesses there. After the revolution, it only took 5 months to go from a ~49% literacy rate to ~87%.

    India is an economy on the rise, pro
    • I used to think like that. And, while I still consider myself an optimist about humanity, I’ve also gotten more cynical. The tools of repression are MUCH more effective than they were 50 years ago. The recipe for a successful modern despot is pretty well understood now - Give everyone a cheap cellphone and monitor everything they type using automated programs. Suppress anyone who exhibits independent thought. Keep education low. Keep people poor but not starving. Keep your borders slightly open, so th
      • Yep, we seem to have renamed fascism as Christian, Islamic, Hindu, etc. nationalism. In the early C20th, fascism aped the rhetoric of socialism & communism, that were popular at that time, to gain support & get into power, & then dissolve the democratic institutions that they used to get them there. And today's rhetoric? The problem is that most people believe political parties & movements to be essentially sincere, despite ample evidence to the contrary in many cases, especially right-wing
  • When you let religious bullshit fester at the government level, so it effects all citizens, then you know you have a serious problem in a society! Dump religion and stupid/unproven ideas from being taught as fact.

  • Evolution was used to support slavery and racism in the United States. Perhaps India doesn't want to given the caste system a veneer of scientific authority. It is a very small jump from, "survival of the fittest" to those people are genetically inferior, therefore, they deserve to be on the lowest rung of the socioeconomic ladder.

    Even though we might like to believe otherwise, the average person is not an intellectual, and will more than likely use knowledge of evolution to justify discrimination on t

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