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Texas Is Planning To Make a Huge Public Investment In Space (arstechnica.com) 103

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: As part of the state's biennial budget process, Texas Governor Greg Abbott has called on the state legislature to provide $350 million to create and fund a Texas Space Commission for the next two years. "With companies seeking to expand space travel in coming years, continued development of the space industry in the state will ensure Texas remains at the forefront not only in the United States, but the entire world," Abbott stated in his budget document for the 88th Legislature. "Further investment will cement Texas as the preeminent location for innovation and development in this rapidly growing industry. Due to increased competition from other states and internationally, further planning and coordination is needed to keep Texas at the cutting edge." Texas has a historic budget surplus this year due to oil prices, inflation, and other factors driving economic growth. The state is projected to have $188.2 billion available in general revenue for funding the business of the state over the 2024-2025 period, a surplus of $32.7 billion over spending during the previous two years.

In their initial drafts, both the House and the Senate budget bills for this legislative session include the full $350 million in funding for a space commission. The initiative is being led by the chair of the House Appropriations Committee, Texas Rep. Greg Bonnen, whose district just south of Houston is adjacent to NASA's Johnson Space Center. A source said the bill "has all of the support it needs to pass" from leaders in both the House and Senate. Bonnen's office did not specify what the Texas Space Commission will address, including how the money would be spent. A second source in the Texas Legislature told Ars that details about the commission's funding priorities were expected to be worked out later in the legislative session, which ends on May 29.

However, the framework for the proposed space commission appears to have been prepared by a Houston-based workforce-development organization called TexSpace, which published an annual report in December calling for the creation of such a commission. According to this document, the commission would "focus on policy and arranging statewide strategy by monitoring local, state, and federal policies and opportunities and establishing an economic ecosystem for Texas' space enterprises." It would include 15 members, including those appointed by political officials, as well as an appointee each from SpaceX and Blue Origin. [...] The commission will likely seek to ensure that SpaceX and Blue Origin continue to grow their presence in the state and to nurture other, smaller startups.
"Compared to the Texas proposal, Space Florida has a modest annual budget of $12.5 million," notes Ars.

"Florida leaders made the brilliant decision to invest in the commercial space industry years ago, and that investment has paid off," Anna Alexopoulos Farrar, a vice president of communications for Space Florida, told Ars. "Space Florida alone had a $5.9 billion economic impact on the state over the past 15 years, and we project a $1.1 billion impact every year starting this year. It's not surprising that other states want to emulate our proven model, and we welcome the challenge from our friends in Texas -- competition yields the best outcomes for both businesses and taxpayers."
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Texas Is Planning To Make a Huge Public Investment In Space

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  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @10:36PM (#63313223)
    You can't meet the basic needs of a modern civilization. So leave the space stuff to the federal government. This whole thing reeks of corruption anyway. If space is so profitable why do you need to have 350 million dollars to private companies to support it?
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by okeuday ( 2251374 )
      The goal is to move Texas to space. Everyone prospers that way.
      • Isn't Texas mostly space anyway? The only state that immediately springs to mind with more space is Nevada, if Abbott is such a fan of it he could move to Bristol Wells, I'm sure they'd welcome him there, and there's plenty of space for him.
    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      Remember when hucksters from Texas took out California? Or when incompetence took out the the northeast. It is a fantasy that any power grid is Going to 5-9s reliability
      • I don't know where you're from, but at least in the case of Arizona, the grid just fuckin works. Damn well too. Can't say the same for California though. I think they pretty much stopped caring about their public infrastructure at least 20 years ago.

    • We should all hope for a power grid more like California's, where they have serious regulations in place. Blackouts and electrical wildfires are a thing of the past in the golden state, right???

      • Whataboutism. Texas refuses to connect to the national grid because they're Texas and fuck you, that's why. What Texas won't tell you is they have links to the Mexican power grid.

        • by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @01:00AM (#63313559)

          Whataboutism. Texas refuses to connect to the national grid because they're Texas and fuck you, that's why. What Texas won't tell you is they have links to the Mexican power grid.

          Texas is doing dumb things, but that's a poor understanding on your part. There really is no "national" grid. If anything it's more like a confederated grid. And no, that doesn't have anything to do with the civil war era. It varies by region, but overall the power infrastructure across the US is very disjointed and aging. Basically a holdover from times past. That's the downside with being the first mover of any given technology, as the US frequently is.

          • Texas is doing dumb things, but that's a poor understanding on your part.

            So enlighten me then. Why won't Texas connect to the massive east or west grids? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

            Worst state for blackouts is, surprise surprise, Texas! https://www.texasstandard.org/... [texasstandard.org]

            • Texas is connected to both grids via DC tie's Fairly idle at the moment at only around 50MW exported, but earlier today TX was importing around 200MW. https://www.ercot.com/gridmkti... [ercot.com] I've said this ad nasium on /. but the management of the grid in TX is different from the North American grid. It is tied to both via dc ties. As to blackouts, the worst is Austin. I live here. They will not trim the effin trees. So when for example the latest freezing rain storm happened I know people who were out for 6 days
              • by Megane ( 129182 )
                During the time I lived in Austin, back in 2001, I got to see a tree sparking into the overhead electrical wires behind my apartment. So this isn't exactly new for them. Maybe they can get the street racers to power generators or something.
                • Yeah, my councilwoman was blocked by them last saturday and was apparently on hold for 20+ minutes with 911 trying to report it. Infrastructure just does not seem to be a thing in Austin. Be it juice, roads, water, police, emergency response. My understanding is if you are burglarized, expect a 1 month + wait to just file a police report. File.
                  • by Megane ( 129182 )

                    Infrastructure just does not seem to be a thing in Austin

                    Austin's infrastructure plan seems to be "don't build it and they won't come". At least that's been their plan for building highways until recently when they finally upgraded a few badly overloaded highways.

            • So enlighten me then. Why won't Texas connect to the massive east or west grids?

              Because doing so would subject them to federal regulation (FERC). Seems like a pretty reasonable reason that isn't as simple as "fuck you we're texas"

        • If Texas connected to certain of their neighbors (California) theyâ(TM)d be like Arizona, paying to feed an infrastructure problem that isnâ(TM)t theirs.

          Texas had 1 outage and people thought the world ended. California, New York, they have outages seasonally and even plan shutdowns around the lack of power generation.

          • by Megane ( 129182 )
            California also demands way more water than they deserve.
            • by Kremmy ( 793693 )
              Reading about central valley farmers complaining that the quality of water they were importing from the rest of the state had dropped because there just wasn't enough water to supply them. Really makes you think, why do they expect things that don't work, to work for them.
        • Texas, the state that revolted twice over slavery issues. Their nickname should be the Revolting State. I honestly think Texas is off of the grid because they still think they're an indepedent republic and that there should be a giant wall around the state.

    • I'm wondering where they think all the engineers are going to come from. Probably other states where public education isn't being destroyed.

      The influx of "foreigners" will be great for Abbott's culture war. None of the west/east coast transplants will vote against him either. (And for who? Beto?) Generally if they're employed in aerospace they feel like the system is working for them and can't be bothered. Plus voting is for old people in Texas. Seriously, I was the only dude under 60 at the polling place.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 )
        You don't need engineers when the primary goal is to funnel money to your political buddies. A kleptocracy doesn't need to show results. This is the same Texas whose governor spent billions of dollars on a photo op sending the national guard to the border. They're happy to let their governor waste their money. Or at least the ones who are allowed to vote are. Voter suppression is a hell of a drug son
        • So is LSD, apparently.

        • Or at least the ones who are allowed to vote are

          "Dang citizens!", lol

          Seriously, you are so deluded. Nobody who actually is legally allowed to vote is prevented from doing so. (And many who aren't legally allowed to vote do so anyway.)

      • Probably other states where public education isn't being destroyed.

        So states like Texas and Florida then...

        Since other more Democratic states, well, children there can't even perform math at grade level [foxbaltimore.com] across scores of schools...

      • Maybe one of the 38 public universities in Texas? And so what if we steal engineers from other states or countries? Though I don't seem to see an influx of engineers crossing into Texas from the south. It's almost as if those professions tend to migrate to the US legally.
      • by colfer ( 619105 )

        Texas has two e-schools in the top 10, three in the top 40. The closest top 40 to Florida is #7 Georgia Tech. In aerospace, it's even worse, with #109 Embry-Riddle topping the list in Florida, and Texas again with two in the top 10. The history of education in these two states, K through PhD, could not be more different, and Texas is actually rather similar to California.

        Remains to be seen how Dobbs will affect young professional talent in super modern, super sized places like Houston, Dallas and Austin. If

      • by jbengt ( 874751 )

        I'm wondering where they think all the engineers are going to come from.

        From blue states. That way Texans can complain about all the newcomers changing Texas. At least that's what my native-Texan brother tells me has already been happening.

    • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

      Caring about shit isn't just the money in the budget. I doubt 300 million moves the needle on the energy infrastructure issues in Texas. Voters gotta vote on it, but .. apparently the ones that care enough dont vote? have a hard time voting? are basically fucked over so much they can't spend time thinking about voting?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cats-paw ( 34890 )

      This is straight up corruption.

      A slush fund for the good old boy network to hand out money to their friends.

    • You can't meet the basic needs of a modern civilization.

      Ya, but in Space, no one can hear you ... fail to meet the basic needs of a modern civilization.

      (Apologies to Stephen Hawking and the marketing team for Alien.)

    • So leave the space stuff to the federal government. This whole thing reeks of corruption anyway.

      Look at the SLS program and tell me how the federal government handles space programs in a non-corrupt manner.

      What people seem to forget is that the individual states are supposed to be semi-autonomous. It makes perfect sense for them to try to attract industries. At least some of the time, politicians manage to do this in a sensible fashion. Whether this Texan program will do so remains to be seen, but it can hardly be worse than what happens at the national level.

      • It makes perfect sense for them to try to attract industries.

        The point that the parent was making was that while this is being described as an 'investment,' this does not seem to be a legitimate attempt to promote economic development in Texas. Where is the profit supposed to come from? How are Texans going to get a return on their $350 million investment? Entirely from out-of-state organizations paying for satellite launches?

        Even if that's possible, maybe the governor is anticipating a satellite gold rush or something, there is already very significant private in

    • You can't meet the basic needs of a modern civilization. So leave the space stuff to the federal government. This whole thing reeks of corruption anyway. If space is so profitable why do you need to have 350 million dollars to private companies to support it?

      I remember the days when all space activity was left to the federal government. At the time, you socialists demanded that NASA's budget be chucked into your bottomless welfare pit, rather than being "sent into space." Now that private enterprise has made access to space cheap enough that a state government can efficiently contract with it in the same way that it can contract with an electric utility, shouldn't you at least be updating your shibboleth?

    • So, in the winter storm now raging, more than a million have lost power, and not one of them is in Texas. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/23... [npr.org]

      Of course, I know Texas isn't really affected by this storm. The point is, severe storms cause power outages, regardless of whether the grid is managed by ERCOT or is part of the national grid.

  • raising taxes. Will. Not. Happen. In. Texas.

    Space exploration is for governments that aspire to do MORE than the absolute minimum.
    • They'll just raise residential property taxes again. Texans pay more tax than Californians [chron.com] on average because we have property tax controls (flawed as they are) and they don't, despite us having a state income tax and them not.

      Space exploration is for governments that aspire to do MORE than the absolute minimum.

      Oh don't worry, this is just a handout. They give zero fucks about space.

  • Bush did the massive expansion of k-12 testing to gain support of publishing executives for his presidential run. Texas is the home of JSC and SpaceX so I can only imagine this new agency is to employ some of Abbots buddies.

    New Mexico spent hundreds of millions on Spaceport America. Few have heard of it. State based space initiatives have proven failures. Houston does own the old Ellington AFB and it can be used for some space related stuff. But that will be private funding

    Abbot is clearly trying to buy

    • SpaceX isn't based out of Texas, rather there's just one launch site there, which is primarily just used for R&D work.

      • by Megane ( 129182 )
        I don't know if you've heard, but there's also a rocket testing site up by Waco doing R&D work.
  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @11:19PM (#63313325) Homepage

    Texas DOT is allocating $85 billion for road construction, with $12 billion in Houston alone. https://abc13.com/houston-tran... [abc13.com].

    $350 million for space doesn't seem like such a huge amount, by comparison!

  • ... if given a chance to vote on this use of tax payer money would, instead, rather it was spent on beefing up the state's feeble power grid.

    • The good thing is, the power grid is in fact being "beefed up." This year's "big freeze" did not result in widespread blackouts, as the one two years ago did. Perhaps Texas should take a cue from California, which has such a great track record of keeping the power on when demand spikes in the summer. Or perhaps Texas should start investing in wind and solar power, like California. Oh wait, Texas is already the clear leader in wind power, generating four times more than California. https://neo.ne.gov/program [ne.gov]

  • As mentioned SpaceX and others are doing the heavy lifting already. The best Texas can do is help them prosper, but of course without sacrificing public safety.

    It might all be vaporware/impractical, it might be the best thing after sliced bread, but the Starship still have not received approvals for orbital tests. Maybe help the move faster?

    Blue Origin has a launch pad. Maybe get them to invest more?

    And again, help local communities affected by noise, pollution, or other artifacts.

    • by Megane ( 129182 )

      Blue Origin has a launch pad. Maybe get them to invest more?

      Maybe get them to make a rocket that can actually reach orbit? Because all they have now is a carnival ride for billionaires, and when it fails (which it has done twice so far), they keep the press away from the wreckage.

      • by stikves ( 127823 )

        Sure,

        Don't get me wrong. I am not a fan of individual billionaires.

        But having competition and alternatives is good, and our previous "cost plus" model have not worked. (Well it worked to make Boeing and ULA rich, and many astronauts dead). So, current situation is better. Yet, if SpaceX does have real challengers from other companies, all better for us. NASA can bid lower, and can have a backup.

        Again, yes, Blue Origin need to clean up their act.

        • by Megane ( 129182 )
          I don't think you understand my point. Blue Origin should be competition, but they aren't, because of their eternally delayed rocket that isn't the carnival ride. They've been around since before SpaceX, but they still haven't sent one single bolt to orbit yet. And that launch pad they have? Yeah, no way will they be using that for anything else, because you have to launch from a shore for safety reasons. Only Russia and China get to launch rockets eastward over land.
  • ... that seeks to help residents of the state move hundreds of kilometers away, to regions outside it's jurisdiction.

  • ...things like child poverty. Fuck poor people. SPACE!!!
  • How about keeping the power on consistently first?

  • I hope Greg goes to space and never comes back. The most good Texas can do for the world. Extra credit if Cruz goes with him.
  • Rockets are powered by prayer and not skilled technicians.
  • If only the US government hadn't kowtowed to the railroads, we wouldn't have given up Rocky Point for a shipping port and we wouldn't have given up Baja which would make a better launch latitude.

    • by Megane ( 129182 )
      Google search for the image "United States as Polk wanted it". So many problems of the past could have been avoided. But to be fair, Baja has the same problem as much of Europe, being on the west side of a continent. Vandenberg is still fine for polar launches. Also, once you get down to Florida latitudes, a few degrees more isn't as important, but Yucatan would be a nice place for a launch site.
  • Finally, Daniel da Cruz 1987 book "Texas Triumphant" moves from the remainder bin, where I bought it for its lurid cover, to the Prescient Fiction shelf. The cover is worth a look on Amazon.
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