Former Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes Sentenced To More Than 11 Years In Prison (cnbc.com) 158
Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes was sentenced Friday in a federal court to 135 months, more than 11 years in prison following her conviction on four counts of criminal fraud. The court found she deceived investors, including News Corp.'s Rupert Murdoch and a host of other luminaries, about the efficacy of Theranos' blood-testing technology. CNBC reports: Holmes cried while speaking to the court ahead of her sentencing. "I loved Theranos. It was my life's work," Holmes said. "My team meant the world to me. I am devastated by my failings. I'm so so sorry. I gave everything I had to build my company." Her defense team argued she should face a maximum sentence of 18 months, according to court filings.
The Wall Street Journal first broke the story of how Theranos' blood-testing technology was struggling to meet expectations in 2015. Whistleblowers and other witnesses came forth to provide detailed accounts of how Holmes and former operating chief Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani deceived patients, partners, investors and employees about the company's progress and the capabilities of its technology. "Thank you for having me. Thank you for the courtesy and respect you have shown me," she said Friday. "I have felt deep pain for what people went through because I failed them. To investors, patients, I am sorry." Prosecutors sought a 15 year sentence for the pregnant 38-year-old former billionaire and Silicon Valley celebrity. Developing...
The Wall Street Journal first broke the story of how Theranos' blood-testing technology was struggling to meet expectations in 2015. Whistleblowers and other witnesses came forth to provide detailed accounts of how Holmes and former operating chief Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani deceived patients, partners, investors and employees about the company's progress and the capabilities of its technology. "Thank you for having me. Thank you for the courtesy and respect you have shown me," she said Friday. "I have felt deep pain for what people went through because I failed them. To investors, patients, I am sorry." Prosecutors sought a 15 year sentence for the pregnant 38-year-old former billionaire and Silicon Valley celebrity. Developing...
Weird voice (Score:3)
Did she speak in that weird affected voice that she's known to use?
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Did she speak in that weird affected voice that she's known to use?
I kind of hope she did.
At this point, her bullshitting any further should have enhanced her damn sentence.
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this voice? [youtube.com] - "I started to see business as a vehicle for making a change in the world". "This is a young lady who read the whole of Herman Melville's Moby Dick at the age of 9" - I haven't managed to listen to the whole interview, just a few secs is bad enough, but gives a real idea of where she used to be.
TBH, though, what she says sounds like so many other bullshit CEOs.
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"This is a young lady who read the whole of Herman Melville's Moby Dick at the age of 9" - I haven't managed to listen to the whole interview, just a few secs is bad enough, but gives a real idea of where she used to be.
Next thing she'll be telling us is that she's a stable genius and being victimised by a radical-left judge.
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Was she born male or something?
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I read Dune in three days at 11
Just glad she didnt get out of it (Score:5, Insightful)
Just glad she didn't get out of it. Lots of protected classes there.
White
Female
Wealthy
Charming
Glad she got the kind of sentence she deserved.
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(Hey, same age as Zuck!)
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Can you imagine some kid whose Dad is a mechanic getting several ex-cabinet ministers and retired generals on the board of her company?
This bird is a member of the ruling class, and she embarrased a bunch of influential people.
I'm not breaking out the champagne until she's actually locked up though.
Re: Just glad she didnt get out of it (Score:3)
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Female only helps in court when determining custody or avoiding murder charges, and even then only when coupled with the Charming. But the court seemed to have had enough of being Charmed.
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Just glad she didn't get out of it. Lots of protected classes there.
White Female Wealthy Charming
Glad she got the kind of sentence she deserved.
I'd say she gets half credit at best here.
She was only wealthy due to her corruption. And killing people for profit, isn't exactly what I would call charming.
Hell, even female is debatable based on that voice.
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Her father, Christian Rasmus Holmes IV, was a vice president at Enron, an energy company that later went bankrupt after an accounting fraud scandal. Her mother, Noel Anne (née Daoust), worked as a Congressional committee staffer.[12][11] Christian later held executive positions in government agencies such as USAID, the EPA, and USTDA.[13][14] Christian is of part Danish ancestry. Her paternal great-great-great-grandfather was Charles Louis Fleischmann, a Hungarian immigrant who founded the Fleischmann's Yeast company.[15] The Holmes family "was very proud of its yeast empire" history, according to a family friend Joseph Fuisz, "I think the parents very much yearned for the days of yore when the family was one of the richest in America.
That's from her Wikipedia page.
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According to the video her father works in "disaster relief"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
(at 2:30, i happened to seek there randomly and that's the only ten seconds I could stand, but that what she says there)
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White, Female, Wealthy, Charming
And Blonde. Checks all the boxes for Fox "News" anchor. :-)
Too bad she'll be too old when she get out of prison...
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Add that "mother to young child" and "got knocked up again after conviction.
Re: Just glad she didnt get out of it (Score:2)
This is the most horrifying thing to me. Those kids are going to need serious help. Imagine knowing that the only reason for your existence is because your mother thought it would get her out of prison.
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"I am devistated by my failings". Note no admission of her shady dealings and deceit.
Get ready for the sentencing appeal through the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
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Her actual crime was ripping off rich people, so like Bernie Maddoff she'll go to jail. Loot a pension fund, steal from widows and orphans, and you might get a fine if the regulators are in a bad mood.
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Her actual crime was ripping off rich people,.
Her crime was also to give wrong test results - test results she knew were unreliable - to patients who received the wrong medical treatment and suffered increased worry and stress as a result.
This isn't just about rich people's piles of money. It's about sick, not rich, people's bodies and illnesses.
and Attractive (Score:2)
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Just glad she didn't get out of it. Lots of protected classes there.
White Female
Wealthy
Charming
Glad she got the kind of sentence she deserved.
On the contrary .. the only reason she ever succeeded was because she was in a protected class, but wokery has moved on, as it does, leaving her behind ... the rules change every week or so.
"Women" don't really exist anymore (since anyone can be one, or not, by just wishing it). And white women are now "karens" (er, despite women not existing anymore, but let nobody say that wokery will bow to evil antiquated concepts like "logic"!).
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Still, it's 2022. Isn't it time we moved past using punishment to control society?
OK, I'll bite.
What would you propose instead?
Re:Parole (Score:5, Insightful)
The idea is that prison is supposed to be a deterrence. You'd have a lot more people attempting white collar crimes if they knew the punishment was just going to be having to check in with a parole officer and being kept away from investors.
You've really gone into Robin Hood (as in the old English folklore, not the investing app) territory if you're implying that we should just be more tolerant of committing fraud against people simply because they're... rich.
The unpleasantness is what makes it a deterrence (Score:2)
I'm not saying we should tolerate rich people committing crime. You're putting words in my mouth that aren't there. I'm saying that we have the tools to prevent them from fleecing us and we don't use them. And we didn't use those tools on her. She fleeced plenty of regular folk like you and me and didn't get
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You'd have a lot more people attempting white collar crimes if they knew the punishment was just going to be having to check in with a parole officer and being kept away from investors.
A non custodial sentence with a tag, and a very large amount of community service would be better. Much, much cheaper and it's not like she is physically a danger to anyone and needs to be locked up.
The US (and less so, but still applies to the UK) puts far too many people in prison. It doesn't work and it's incredibly expens
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It's a federal sentence... she'll do a minimum of 85% of the eleven year sentence.
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The idea is that prison is supposed to be a deterrence.
That's the "idea" but it's not. If it was, people wouldn't do crimes any more.
It is not an either/or. Laws against murder certainly don't prevent murder, but it is hard to argue there are not significantly less of them than if murder was legal.
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It's not like we couldn't just keep her from holding any sort of position of leadership.
Ah, maybe in China. But I have doubts that any decent lawyer would not be able to get any "you cannot do normal thing X" overturned. Also, "touching a computer" is a physical binary thing, you are talking about something almost psychological, not being a leader is subjective. Mob bosses still control their organizations from jail, how are you going to stop a free woman from exerting control over people?
Holmes is one of the worse most destructive non war criminals of the last decade, and you really want her
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Holmes is one of the worse most destructive non war criminals of the last decade
wat
Maybe a mass murderer is tired of murder
I have seen zero allegations that anyone was actually harmed by Theranos except financially. There was potential for medical harm, but I have not even seen any alleged. Have you?
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Nothing is perfect, being in jail hampered someones ability to run a criminal organization outside of the jail.
But, yes, she should be executed, that would be the most effective method.
Re: So you want her to get life in prison? (Score:2)
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Actually, yes, why not? Force her to lead an ordinary life, something like lower middle class or lower class. Something to survive with.
Re:Devil's advocate here (Score:4, Insightful)
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1.) just because your job title has a capital C in it, doesn't make you a leader.
2.) Leadership is NOT a thing that is conferred. It must be earned through acts that motivate other to follow.
3.) "Leadership" is possibly THE most abused and twisted word in the English language today, followed closely by love and friend.
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3.) "Leadership" is possibly THE most abused and twisted word in the English language today, followed closely by love and friend.
You forgot 'science' in that list.
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Oops! yer right.
Re: Devil's advocate here (Score:4, Interesting)
She made a fool of the CEO of Walgreens (Score:2, Insightful)
It's basically like those stories of countess bathory. Nobody cared that she was drinking the blood of peasants but she got in trouble as soon as she went after Noble women.
That said there's something to be said for locking up a serial killer because we don't have the technology to prevent serial killers from existing in the first place. I'm a naturalist and I don't believe evil is a supernatura
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I get what you are saying, but there does need to be a penalty enough to make it unappealing to commit the crime. Yes, draconian old-testament sentencing doesn't make things better, and certainty of being caught is a far better deterrent, but the penalty has to be at least severe enough to not make the crime "worth it".
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If anyone thinks "torture" is hyperbole, I suggest bracing yourself emotionally and reading some news about conditions in the Bureau of Prisons.
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she poses no danger to society and locking her up is only for the purposes of punishment and therefore torture
And what of deterrence?
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That CAN be justice, but mostly it's just vengeance
What's the difference? (Score:2)
I'm questioning fundamental assumptions we were taught before grade school so I
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The difference is proportionate response.
That's why the "justice system" is supposed to be about a dispassionate third party passing an agreed upon sentence rather than allowing and encouraging an injured party to participate in the sentencing. I agree, that's not humans want to behave. But it IS the standard we present and espouse... The "higher" standard we pretend to.
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At its most basic, prison sentences serve the purposes of:
1. Public safety - removing the person from society so they can't commmit more crimes.
2. Deterence - giving other people a reason to not commit similar crimes
3. Rehabilitation - removing people from the social circumstances that caused them to commit the crime and giving them an opportunity to change/improve themselves.
4. Revenge - giving the victims (or the society at large) a sense that justice has been done.
#1 obviously works best for violent crim
Not everything in the world should revolve around (Score:3)
How many prisons did you see in Star Trek that were run by the federation? That's what we should aspire to and it's annoying to me th
Re: Not everything in the world should revolve aro (Score:2)
Thereâ(TM)s no reason we âoeshould be aspiring toâ a fantasy world just because weâ(TM)re nerds.
Nerds are supposed to be smart, too, and some of us recognize oversimplified arguments when we read them.
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I'm not buying this all-too-easy "prison equals torture".
It usually means that in the USA - the other inmates will torture you constantly for the duration of your stay.
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I'm so so sorry... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Pretty much defines her response. No admission she was actually guilty of anything.
Her response was more like "It was an accident, I was walking down the street, tripped on the sidewalk, and accidentally committed fraud."
For comparison (Score:5, Insightful)
I still wish they could have gone for her extended family’s money in exchange for a lesser sentence. A billion dollar fine would have hurt quite a bit more than a decade in prison.
Re: For comparison (Score:2)
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Thats more than Shkreli (5 years) and less than Skilling (24 years). Maybe just about right, then?
It's more than most rapists.
Fine with me that she got so long, I guess, me being an evil old white man who likes law and order, but it's weird how fast the social rules change about who to hate.
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Applying punishment identically to everyone has a nice uncomplicated ring to it. But theres something to be said for fitting the punishment to the individual and the crime.
And before someone tries to remind me that the US criminal system is
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Out of interest - what is the argument for or against the idea that, instead of just fining someone a fixed amount, we could instead set a cap on their maximum income and/or wealth for the next X years or decades?
So, if someone is convicted of a relevant type of financial crime, and they are no threat to the public or a flightl risk or whatever, then they effectively have to live for the next X years on $30k a year.
It seems like it ought to be easily enforcable. Are they are practical or moral arguements ag
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You have obviously never been wealthy. To a wealthy person, taking away their money is more painful than just about anything other than torture. The truly wealthy are completely divorced from the kind of life you and I know. They have no sense of what anything costs. No sense of what a normal life is like. All they know is the “score” which =$$$ in case youre really not getting it. Take that away, you take away the only thing that matters much to them.
The problem is you don't know exactly how much money they have and how much to take.
They should be forced to live in a normal house, have only $100 a week for groceries, an old car that smells bad, and do a crappy 9-5 job. That's not really possible though, so prison it is.
Pregnant (Score:3)
Y'all missed that right?
So during this court case she thought it was a good idea to get pregnant. Maybe sway some sympathy?
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Y'all missed that right?
No, we just heard about it earlier, and commented on it then. Same reaction as you, mostly.
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Y'all missed that right?
So during this court case she thought it was a good idea to get pregnant. Maybe sway some sympathy?
I think there's a much more obvious explanation for this.
She wanted children and there's a good chance she'll be well past her peak child bearing years when she's out of prison.
So while there are ways to get pregnant in prison it's probably a lot easier to find a decent partner and get pregnant before prison.
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I think there's a much more obvious explanation for this.
She wanted children and there's a good chance she'll be well past her peak child bearing years when she's out of prison.
LOL! You think that raising a child while you're in prison is a good idea?
PS: She could adopt.
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PS: She could adopt.
That would require her being a good person, which we all know isn't true.
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I think there's a much more obvious explanation for this.
Possibly. However given how she built her defence and acted in court, the way she presented herself as always the family type, always dressing down and escorted by her mother everywhere, playing the victim card every chance she get, and ... LITERALLY PLEEDING ABOUT HER CHILD and how she's a loving mother in court,
I'm forgetting something...
Oh right... SECOND CHILD she did it not only for her first case, but repeated the trick for the appeal.
Does that still fit your theory?
More or less.
I'm not claiming that she's had some great revelation and is now a loving mother and decent human being.
I'm just claiming that a 38 year old woman isn't going to be able to wait 11 years (or potentially even 5, depending when/if she's paroled) to have children. So if she wanted children now was when she had to do it.
Given the fact that she has a well established record of being deceitful and manipulative of course she'd try to leverage the fact of her children to reduce her sentence. But that d
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Well, I suppose in some fashion, it is better to be born in most any circumstance than to never exist.
The baby has a rich father and wealthy grandparents... better off than many perhaps, and Momma Liz gets to delay the start of her sentence until March 2023.
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End of April, 2023.
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Counterargument by philosopher David Benatar: Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence [wikipedia.org], Oxford University Press, 2006.
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And yet by some misfortune David Benatar is still alive.
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Have to wonder which voice she will use when cooing to the baby.
That's going to lead to some weirdness in the family, either husky voice doing baby-talk or code-switching depending.
in the voice of Voltron Whose momma's special girl? You are. Boop.
excellent (Score:5, Insightful)
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Fun fact: The judge stated in his findings that that he did not think she was the primary person responsible for the crimes... Balwani may get the longer sentence, yet.
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She can rut under the prison for all I care.
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Wow, the judge said that and still gave her 11 years.
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I think she's one of those 'I made the important decisions, I don't have do any hard work' managers. That meant no supervision of her underlings and she also used the narcissist response of firing people who disagreed with her.
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Exactly. Also, notice how when she was perpetrating fraud she was a "strong woman executive". When she was on trial she was a "helpless woman victim and a man made her do it". Which is it? I guess whatever is convenient.
Nice story (Score:5, Insightful)
She tried to emulate Steve Jobs in look but not in spirit. Jobs always said "We hire smart people so they can tell us what to do." That was definitely not the Theranos culture.
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I think she did emulate Jobs' style and mentality to a point, though, just except that he wasn't so monumentally stupid, nor, in fact, evil.
"...she deceived...Rupert Murdock..." (Score:3, Insightful)
That's the only reason it was 11 years and not 18 months.
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She should have professed her love of Trump and how she's a big victim for her beliefs and was betrayed. Somebody on the jury may have fallen for that! Odds are quite high the lower 30% of the bell curve would have been represented.
I bet she has little feeling for her children so it's good somebody else will raise them; lots of sociopaths are created by sick people like her.
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Who are you trying to kid? Fake victim-hood is a Democrat thing and is one of the biggest criticisms from the right. Where have you been?
She was also indicted in 2018 while Trump was in office, so... none of what you said makes any sense.
In court with infant, and now pregnant .. (Score:3)
She is a master of manipulation ...
She married into a rich family, while awaiting the trial ... ... ... ...
She got pregnant and gave birth [yahoo.com], most likely to delay the trial
She attended court with baby supplies, most likely to get sympathy from the jury as a caring mother
And now she is pregnant [bbc.com] again
She's repulsive, but this may have been... (Score:2)
smart rather than just a tactic to get a lighter sentence. She's 38 and she, more than anybody, knows she's guilty and therefore likely going to prison for YEARS. Given all that, if she wants kids, best to make them before years in jail render her infertile.
Sadly, narcissists like her never project this onto their victims, so she has likely never given a thought to whether her actions did financial harm to any women who then felt like they could not afford to have the kids they wanted...
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Yeah, we can't be really sure about her intentions re: having kids.
But regardless, this is totally irresponsible and against the best interest of the poor innocent kids.
Maybe she gets out of prison early (say 5 years?), then it won't be as bad as when they are 11 and 12 years.
Back to her crimes: she didn't care for the life of people who got the fake tests. People could have died because of misdiagnosed and undiagnosed conditions. That is the major crime in my view, and takes priority over regular defraudin
Good, But What About Wall Street Bankers (Score:2)
So this is appropriate. But why are the Wall Street Cunts who caused the financial meltdown years ago still walking around free. Oh yes, Obama let them off. Part of the Obama, Clinton, Biden stealth Republican syndicate. Biden is now continuing the tradition by not wanting to hold Mohammed bin Salman to account for murder. And FWIW, we all know Trump is a lying golden shower Putin dick sucking racist motherfucker; so he wasn't about to throw his Wall Street bros in jail.
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Wait until we get more information on dear Hunter. That's going to be really awkward.
The Dems are handing the 2024 election to any warm Republican body.
What's the alternative? Kamala Harris? The Democratic Party has been negligent at bringing up new blood within its party.
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What
Ah come on.. (Score:2)
This isn't over yet.
She wont serve more than a month.
Only poor people do time.
This one should be on us (Score:2)
If an armed robber shoots a family, victims don't get a choice. But when it comes to getting swindled, we can verify particulars of what we are investing in or buy fraud insurance that will give us a good rate if we take proper precautions. Computer security is much more about protection than vengeance.
In terms of fairness many who took a life get out before 10 years or even don't serve time at all, consider drunk drivers. Here yes, a lot of money has been lost. But a lot of it is from institutional investo
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I agree. Despite my exuberant schadenfreude, this is unfair. However, it's also important to make her an example as a deterrent to others.
Well that ended well (Score:2)
".. sentence for the pregnant 38-year-old" (Score:2)
Do's and Don'ts (Score:2)
Apparently, while it's ok to dupe the masses, better not dupe the rich and powerful.
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The father can be a father to the kids and raise them. He knew what he was getting in to. Regardless, I would suspect either of them would likely "subcontract" the raising of the children to others.
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Have fun raising your kids from prison, Liz.
An au pair was always going to raise that child. I'm betting she will be from Switzerland.