Space Billboards Could Cost $65 Million and Still Turn a Profit (techcrunch.com) 118
A new study suggests that a billboard-like constellation of about 50 satellites, costing $65 million all in, could shine ads to every corner of the Earth for months -- and potentially make money while doing so. TechCrunch reports: The study, from Russian researchers at the Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology (Skoltech) and Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology (MIPT), presents a fairly compelling case that is bolstered by the recent controversy around SpaceX's highly visible Starlink satellites. The paper's proposal involves sending up a constellation of about 50 satellites at a 12U CubeSat volume -- think about the size of a full paper grocery bag. The satellites would enter a sun-synchronous orbit, meaning they'll always be in direct sunlight as they pass around the Earth. Once in orbit, they would deploy large, parabolic reflectors that would bounce sunlight down toward the Earth. These could be tilted to best present the sunlight to a target area they are passing over, and from the ground would appear to be a group of stars moving in synchrony for a period of perhaps three to five minutes. (To be clear, the image at top is just for illustration -- it would be much dimmer in reality.)
The 50 satellites could rearrange themselves in patterns, from letters to simple graphics -- not fast, but fast enough that the shape could evolve over their visible time, or change advertisers between target cities. They would deorbit after 1-3 months, depending on several factors. I've asked the researchers for clarification on the lifetime, display length and a few other details and will update this post if I hear back. The physical possibility of doing this doesn't seem outlandish at all considering how visible existing satellites can be in these orbits, and the precision with which they can be arranged already. So with that established, a good deal of the paper is dedicated to an economic analysis. After all, we probably could have launched a Nike logo to space in the '90s (and there were attempts) if the world came together on it... but why would they? The thing has to make financial sense.
The cost of the mission is estimated at $65 million, most of which goes to manufacturing the 50 satellites ($48.7 million), then to testing, support and engineering ($11.5 million), and of course launch ($4.8 million). That seems reasonable enough in theory. But it gets a little fuzzy in the income estimates. A complicated equation for determining which cities, in which regions and at what times of the year would make more money suggests that winter provides the greatest ROI. You might think: but people stay inside during the winter. Yes, but not in the tropics and much of south and southeast Asia, where winter brings longer nights but nothing like the inclement weather of northern latitudes. And it happens some of the most densely populated cities in the world are there. Their most optimistic estimate puts net income at around $111 million, over three months and 24 displays -- that works out to around $4.6 million per ad. Super Bowl ads cost more than that, and only last 30 seconds -- though of course they're in 4K and full color with sound. But the money and appetite for stunt advertising is definitely there.
The 50 satellites could rearrange themselves in patterns, from letters to simple graphics -- not fast, but fast enough that the shape could evolve over their visible time, or change advertisers between target cities. They would deorbit after 1-3 months, depending on several factors. I've asked the researchers for clarification on the lifetime, display length and a few other details and will update this post if I hear back. The physical possibility of doing this doesn't seem outlandish at all considering how visible existing satellites can be in these orbits, and the precision with which they can be arranged already. So with that established, a good deal of the paper is dedicated to an economic analysis. After all, we probably could have launched a Nike logo to space in the '90s (and there were attempts) if the world came together on it... but why would they? The thing has to make financial sense.
The cost of the mission is estimated at $65 million, most of which goes to manufacturing the 50 satellites ($48.7 million), then to testing, support and engineering ($11.5 million), and of course launch ($4.8 million). That seems reasonable enough in theory. But it gets a little fuzzy in the income estimates. A complicated equation for determining which cities, in which regions and at what times of the year would make more money suggests that winter provides the greatest ROI. You might think: but people stay inside during the winter. Yes, but not in the tropics and much of south and southeast Asia, where winter brings longer nights but nothing like the inclement weather of northern latitudes. And it happens some of the most densely populated cities in the world are there. Their most optimistic estimate puts net income at around $111 million, over three months and 24 displays -- that works out to around $4.6 million per ad. Super Bowl ads cost more than that, and only last 30 seconds -- though of course they're in 4K and full color with sound. But the money and appetite for stunt advertising is definitely there.
What a time to be alive. (Score:5, Insightful)
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But the money and appetite for stunt advertising is definitely there.
Stunt Advertising is not a sustainable business model.
But there are always a few people willing to throw money away on a stupid idea.
Re: What a time to be alive. (Score:2)
I've always been amazed that those planes that fly banners behind them at public events and beaches actually are profitable.
Is that an American thing, or do other countries have this type of advertising as well? I've been all over Europe but I've never seen it.
Re: What a time to be alive. (Score:5, Interesting)
It is about pilots needing to gain flying hours to qualify for better jobs. The labor is essentially free, if not negative cost. If you had to pay a pilot the economics would fade away.
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Exactly this. Flying is a very expensive hobby, and can be an expensive job market to enter if you didn't get "free" lessons from the military.
There are flight school colleges out there though, with the purpose of training pilots without putting them through a military tour, but again, it costs real money.
Re:What a time to be alive. (Score:4, Insightful)
The 50 satellites could rearrange themselves in patterns, from letters to simple graphics
Is it possible to do anything meaningful with 50 pixels? Especially considering that they will appear pretty small because of the distance.
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The article gives the Olympic Rings and Eiffel Tower as examples.
50 px should be enough for a lawsuit (Score:2)
Just add a few zeroes to the number that they think makes it profitable to quite literally pollute the global environment [sciencefocus.com] with garbage.
Some people really need to be dissuaded from the idea that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Re: What a time to be alive. (Score:3)
Is it possible to do anything meaningful with 50 pixels?
That's 50 *on* pixels, if they move the satellites around. Certainly enough for a few letters or the outline of a logo.
The advertising industry is a cancer on society.
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Is it possible to do anything meaningful with 50 pixels?
Reposts on Imgur?
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The 50 satellites could rearrange themselves in patterns, from letters to simple graphics
Is it possible to do anything meaningful with 50 pixels? Especially considering that they will appear pretty small because of the distance.
An NFT? Seriously, the advertising here would be in the press coverage. The space advert could just be 9 pixels wide, but the company that did it or had it done would gain the bragging rights to being a high-flying brand. Of course, this depends on the product market. You probably won't use this method if you're a low-carbon vegan health-food company.
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Imagine hacking these to display dickbutt. Man. That would be hilarious.
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I would do everything possible to hack these and take them down. What a terrible idea.
No! (Score:5, Insightful)
Just no!!
Anti-advertising (Score:4, Insightful)
If any company was stupid to buy these ads, there would be backlash and boycotts of their products by the people of Earth who are rightfully pissed that some company has defaced the night sky.
On top of that they would be sued into oblivion by astronomy groups and class action lawsuits on behalf of billions of people who are affected by the visual pollution.
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The light pollution would be enormous. Each one would be another moon ... in multicoloured flickering!
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That's no moon... That's a billboard station!
Sounds like the plot for Spaceballs 2 :-D
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Sounds like the plot for Spaceballs 2 :-D
Quite fitting. What was the title again? "Spaceballs 2 - The search for more money."
Re:Anti-advertising (Score:5, Interesting)
I would hope that would happen, but in reality after the backlash dies down most people probably wouldn't care anymore. People have become very apathetic to big issues, but don't hesitate to jump on the latest (anti)social media trend of the week. (eg. ban plastic straws, but not plastic lids, cups, cutlery, tampon applicators, bags, etc.)
The majority of the human race now lives in urban areas where the light pollution is so bad that they don't see any stars or even notice the moon anymore when it is in the sky. People have become so ignorant of the night sky that ridiculous "supermoons" (an astrological term, not astronomical btw) have become frontpage news and millions of people go out and go "Ooooooo" at a full moon not knowing that they wouldn't notice the size difference anyways.
Deny them your eyeballs. (Score:5, Funny)
You know all those dystopian future fiction stories where the people walk around with eyes cast down into the dust? This is why. To not look at the ads.
Downtrodden by the marketing overlords.
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It wouldn't work in real life... the advertisers would just start painting their ads on the sidewalk.
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Can't wait for advertising to be the reason we destroy low earth orbit. Gonna be a fantastic time to watch the beginnings of a new space-race fail-out to our darkest underbelly: marketing and ad execs.
Thanks, I hate it. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Thanks, I hate it. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Article IV of the Outer Space Treaty of 1963 forbids placing weapons of mass destruction in space. I don't know if global-spanning space billboards count as mass destruction.
Billboards are hostile one-way communication devices similar to other weapons but targeted at your wallet instead of you. Generally economic and aesthetic damages, the origins and methods and goals of all idealized war, are glossed over in favor of the visceral and violent and murderous reality.
However, I don't think small de-orbi
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I shall have to compete with you. Announcing uBlock Origin - Launchable Billboard Covers
Stopping space ads without debris since 2024.
I am finally in favor (Score:5, Interesting)
Will actually be more expensive (Score:3)
You have to add the cost for the ion-cannon to nuke the assholes that put this thing there from orbit.
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I say send a mission to de-orbit the damned things and aim them at the headquarters of whatever assholes send them up. In case they burn up too soon, include a few tungsten rods.
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Also a good solution. Fully agree.
yup .. no (Score:1)
any company that does this i will not use there product
not some one else said this but it makes sense to reiterate it
I guess it would backfire (Score:4, Insightful)
The first few days the awe would be nice, then the new car smell wears off and what's left is that every time you want to take a romantic look up at the nightsky, you get reminded of the fucker that ruined it.
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But think of the possibilities if it could capture the faint signal from your cellphone and display you a targeted ad-in-the-sky for that special romantic date moment!
"Feeling down? Viagra - try it today!"
"Plenty more birds in the sky - Get Tinder Now!"
Re:I guess it would backfire (Score:5, Interesting)
If you want to make sure that I never buy your crap, you might want to try it.
It's more something I'd do as a false flag action, i.e. put up an ad from a competitor to piss off everyone.
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The first few days the awe would be nice, then the new car smell wears off and what's left is that every time you want to take a romantic look up at the nightsky, you get reminded of the fucker that ruined it.
It'll get hacked soon enough, and be re-organized into a giant cock and balls or middle finger, anyway...
No! Sabbotage Rockets! (Score:2)
I think we need laws agains that. (Score:2)
I'm all for free enterprise and all that, but... ...I'd consider messing with everyones view of the stars and skies would be considered pollution of our natural view. I would oppose this in every way with every fiber of my body.
The UN is not entirely worthless (Score:3)
They serve as a forum for treaties, including agreements on how outer space can be used [unoosa.org], and if you drill down there's a PDF on the site showing that the first one which does various things such as prohibit the stationing of nuclear weapons in space, has been ratified by almost every nation.
I'm not sure how hard it is to update such treaties, but they should, and the update should BAN ADS.
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The UN worthless and next to useless. All the ad company would have to do is "donate" money for a new UN conference center in some tropical paradise location and the UN would soon declare that banning space ads is a crime against humanity or discrimination against impoverished nations that want to sell space ads.
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missing story tag (Score:2)
What gives them the right (Score:1)
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Well, you don't own it either. Who are you to tell someone they can't do stuff in space, you don't own all human activities.
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Re: What gives them the right (Score:1)
Re: What gives them the right (Score:2)
Oh please, clouds, airplanes, and the moon do not affect people how can an something else up there do that?
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International law? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm assuming there's some rule somewhere that says we can kill anyone involved in this and collect some sort of reward, right?
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wtf (Score:1)
We already have a problems with satelites getting in the way of astronomy and they are trying to make them invisible. Now they want to make them so big and visible that people will be able see Ads in the sky....
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I bet... (Score:3)
...astronomers are rolling on the floor enthusiastically.
Never going to happen (Score:2)
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If this takes off you know what is next. (Score:2)
Lighspeed Brief ads projected into your brain as you sleep.
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Blipverts
great idea (Score:3)
if you want to be the most hated brand on the planet
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if you want to be the most hated brand on the planet
So its going to be Google then?
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Obligatory Futurama (Score:2)
It's as if, like the Simpsons, the prophecy was foretold [youtube.com].
Cost: 65 Million+Profit = Billion in damages to .. (Score:2)
.. astronomy.
Not technologies (Score:3)
"We'd like to show you... (Score:2)
nope (Score:2)
Russians talking shit over Starlink. BFD. (Score:2)
Logistics (Score:2)
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Emojis
Cool, but don't (Score:2)
Criminal.. (Score:2)
No, seriously this sounds like it should be legitimate crime against humanity. The light pollution affecting astronomy efforts, probably some people lost trying to navigate by the stars only to see a friggin Geico Gecko...
Who's gonna stop me? (Score:2)
Once the Rooskies are making money off this, do you really think Elon and Jeff won't want to make that money too?
Also, here's the kicker. A large cohort of younger people will embrace this as modern and the way to go. Probably same ones who think cryptocurrency is everything that it is not.
1 person will surely shove this down our throats and we'll be stuck with it.
The generation that never read Heinlein in charge (Score:2)
The Man Who Sold the Moon specifically.
The entrepreneurial protagonist got two soda companies (similar to Coke and 7-Up) to think the other was going buy the right to advertise their products from the Moon. But instead of selling the rights to either, he got both to pay so that the other company couldn't have the rights.
Really?!? (Score:2)
I would be all for (Score:2)
Nope.. (Score:2)
Does not include the lawsuit costs (Score:2)
Nope (Score:2)
I would expect a massive outcry from consumers and the company to be cratered, possibly with the lift outfit that got them into orbit. That's what I would expect.
predicted long ago (Score:2)
See there was this guy who offered to write the company soda pop product name, " 6+" , on the moon itself for all to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Sold_the_Moon/ [wikipedia.org]
Oh, Ducky (Score:2)
More bad news for astronomers and people who just like looking at an uncluttered sky.
Sounds to me like itâ(TM)s time for a startup venture to offer commercial Hunter-killer satellite services to rid us of this crap.
MrBeast has entered the chat (Score:2)
This is something I can see MrBeast do. I can see him launch whatever it is needed and then just put up anything he wants, including #TeamSeas and #TeamTrees and Beast Philanthropy and BeastBurgers, and so on and so on.
Yeah, it's hella expensive but I mean, it's MrBeast.
My wife is in charge of a 3.5 meter telescope (Score:2)
Anyone that would actually advertise this way. (Score:2)
Take one for the team (Score:2)
If you're in marketing or advertising, just kill yourself.
[With apologies to Bill Hicks.]
What would it cost (Score:2)
What would it cost for a satellite to shoot them down? Mark me as an investor.
Useless in Cities (Score:2)
the normal light pollution from city lights would make it impossible for residents in well lite areas to actually see the satellites Plus all the buildings that would be in the way.
And finally add in that most people don't actually spend time looking at the stars anymore. Sure some people would go out to the rural areas and look up when these space billboards first go up just to see the novelty but after that the sats would just be more space junk causing problems for Astronomers.
Fight Club Predicted This (Score:2)
"When deep space exploration ramps up it will be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks" - Tyler Durden
Don't you fucking dare obstruct our view of space. (Score:2)
Don't you fucking dare obstruct our view of space.
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Wish I had some point to mod you down.
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No because the poster is a dumbass.
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The Space Police?