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Rocket Debris From China Space Station Mission To Crash Land -- And No One Knows Where (washingtonpost.com) 44

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Washington Post: China's latest launch of a huge rocket is, once again, raising alarm that the debris will crash into the Earth's surface in an uncertain location and at great speed. On Sunday afternoon local time, the Long March 5B blasted off from the Wenchang launch site on the southern island province of Hainan, carrying a solar-powered new lab, the Wentian experiment module, to be added to China's Tiangong Space Station. But the size of the heavy-lift rocket -- it stands 53.6 meters (176 feet) tall and weighs 837,500 kilograms (more than 1.8 million pounds) -- and the risky design of its launch process have led experts to fear that some debris from its core stage could fail to burn up as it reenters Earth's atmosphere.

As with two previous launches, the rocket shed its empty 23-ton first stage in orbit, meaning that it will continue to loop the Earth over coming days as it gradually comes closer to landing. This flight path is difficult to predict because of fluctuations in the atmosphere caused by changes in solar activity. Although experts consider the chances of debris hitting an inhabited area very low, many also believe China is taking an unnecessary risk. After the core stage of the last launch fell into the Indian Ocean, NASA Administrator Bill Nelson said China was "failing to meet responsible standards regarding their space debris," including minimizing risks during reentry and being transparent about operations. China rejects accusations of irresponsibility. In response to concerns about last year's launch, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said the likelihood of damage was "extremely low."

Many scientists agree with China that the odds of debris causing serious damage are tiny. An article published in the journal Nature Astronomy this month put the chance that, under current launch practices, someone would die or be injured from parts of a rocket making an uncontrolled reentry at 1 in 10 over the next decade. But many believe launch designs like the Long March 5B's are an unnecessary risk. "Launch providers have access to technologies and mission designs today that could eliminate the need for most uncontrolled re-entries," the authors wrote. They proposed global safety standards mandating controlled reentry.

UPDATE: It crashed into the Indian Ocean.
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Rocket Debris From China Space Station Mission To Crash Land -- And No One Knows Where

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  • Why not say 28.8 million ounces? For the rest of the world, it's about 816.5 tonnes.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Hur Dur aren't I clever!

    • Why say 816.5 tonnes when you can use SI? 816.5 megagrams ftw!
    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by olsmeister ( 1488789 )
      Why don't they give us a measure of mass and not weight?
      • It doesn't weigh anything in space!

      • by v1 ( 525388 )

        if you're worried about a rocket coming down and hitting you, you're more interested in the weight than the mass.

        • If any part of a rocket is hitting me at high velocity, mass or weight are both irrelevant. I'm still going to end up as a greasy spot.
          • by v1 ( 525388 )

            And considering the pressure wave and deformation of the terrain around you, it doesn't even need to HIT you to ruin your day

      • by crunchygranola ( 1954152 ) on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:00AM (#62735174)

        Why don't they give us a measure of mass and not weight?

        This is a popular misconception among nerds - that pound is not a unit of mass. Legions of introductory physics texts propagate this misinformation by copying each other without ever bothering to check the NIST definitions of the term.

        A pound (lb) is defined as the Avoirdupois unit of mass with a value of 453.59237 grams exactly.

        There is a separate unit of force called "pound-force" which is always abbreviated lbf which is the what the poster imagines the ordinary unit "pound" to be. That is, to those unfamiliar with this bit of pseudo-pedantry, the term "weight" means a unit of force created by standard gravity acting on a unit of mass.

    • Why not say 28.8 million ounces? For the rest of the world, it's about 816.5 tonnes.

      What gibberish is this? Clearly the most straightforward way to explain this is when framed as a third of the weight of an Olympic swimming pool. Considering it’s going to be raining down on everyone, it only makes sense.

      • It masses 1.0000 spent Chinese booster mass units.

      • by GoJays ( 1793832 )
        I'm trying to get an idea of the size of this thing... can it be explained using American Football fields for comparison?
      • by marktoml ( 48712 )

        See? ANYTHING except metric :)

      • by eth1 ( 94901 )

        Why not say 28.8 million ounces? For the rest of the world, it's about 816.5 tonnes.

        What gibberish is this? Clearly the most straightforward way to explain this is when framed as a third of the weight of an Olympic swimming pool. Considering it’s going to be raining down on everyone, it only makes sense.

        No, no, VW Beetle or elephant are the units for mass. You'd measure fuel tank size in Olympic Swimming Pools. The impressiveness of the impending crash would be measured in YouTube Fail Video View Counts.

      • Using standard car units of measurement it is almost exactly 678 Tesla Roadsters.

    • Why not say 28.8 million ounces? For the rest of the world, it's about 816.5 tonnes.

      Can you quote those numbers in the equivalent of Chinese food take-away containers?

    • Surely they would provide Olympic-size swimming pools or Libraries of Congress units?
  • China knows (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @08:28AM (#62734646)
    China knows t won't crash in China, and beyond that they don't really care.
    • by tokul ( 682258 )

      if it crashes in China, they will build monument for one killed pangolin and some missing rocket engineers.

    • The point is, it can crash anywhere, even in Beijing, capital of China.

      And if it does, they will deserve it.

      What if it hits a major city in another country, such as Moscow, New York, London, Delhi etc?

      World war 3 if major major major reparations are not made, I guess.

  • Wonz ze rockets are up, who cares were zey come down...

  • Deorbiting an empty stage is easy, you just activate two tiny solid fuel motors firing retrograde. You can trust me, I've spent hours playing KSP.

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