World's True COVID-19 Death Toll Nearly 15 Million, Says WHO 213
According to the World Health Organization, the COVID-19 pandemic has caused the deaths of nearly 15 million people around the world. "That is 13% more deaths than normally expected over two years," notes the BBC. From the report: The WHO believes many countries undercounted the numbers who died from Covid -- only 5.4 million were reported. In India, there were 4.7 million Covid deaths, it says - 10 times the official figures -- and almost a third of Covid deaths globally. The Indian government has questioned the estimate, saying it has "concerns" about the methodology, but other studies have come to similar conclusions about the scale of deaths in the country.
The measure used by the WHO is called excess deaths - how many more people died than would normally be expected based on mortality in the same area before the pandemic hit. These calculations also take into account deaths which were not directly because of Covid but instead caused by its knock-on effects, like people being unable to access hospitals for the care they needed. It also accounts for poor record-keeping in some regions, and sparse testing at the start of the crisis. But the WHO said the majority of the extra 9.5 million deaths seen above the 5.4 million Covid deaths reported were thought to be direct deaths caused by the virus, rather than indirect deaths. Yesterday, the United States officially surpassed 1 million COVID-19 deaths -- "a once unthinkable scale of loss even for the country with the world's highest recorded toll from the virus," says NBC News.
The measure used by the WHO is called excess deaths - how many more people died than would normally be expected based on mortality in the same area before the pandemic hit. These calculations also take into account deaths which were not directly because of Covid but instead caused by its knock-on effects, like people being unable to access hospitals for the care they needed. It also accounts for poor record-keeping in some regions, and sparse testing at the start of the crisis. But the WHO said the majority of the extra 9.5 million deaths seen above the 5.4 million Covid deaths reported were thought to be direct deaths caused by the virus, rather than indirect deaths. Yesterday, the United States officially surpassed 1 million COVID-19 deaths -- "a once unthinkable scale of loss even for the country with the world's highest recorded toll from the virus," says NBC News.
wild beasts (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:4, Interesting)
... if in the coming few years there'll be an equivalent fewer deaths. If there is it'll mean most of the people who died of covid were the sick and elderly who were going to die or would have died soon anyway. If the death rate *doesn't* drop in the next few years it'll show that covid killed a significant proportion of the young+ middle aged and healthy.
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:4, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
We also have long-term implications of the virus. We just don't know for certain what these are, but there are plenty of viruses that cause cancer, and Epstein-Barr is now definitely a major factor in MS. The virus link is the most worrying, as we already know this is most likely to happen when the fossil viruses in our DNA start doing things they shouldn't and this has apparently been observed with Covid.
It's a perfectly honourable, long-standing tradition on Slashdot to get side-tracked, so in keeping wit
Re: (Score:2)
Yes, you're misapplying the precautionary principle, because in the same way there could be latent effects from the spike protein(s) in Covid, there might also exist latent effects from the spike protein(s) in the vaccine. It could very well be that everyone who got covid is at increased risk of cancer, but the vaccinated may be at greater risk. And the difference could be substantial.
In the 80's, science warned us against the fats in butter, so people switched to margarine. The problem was that the m
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:5, Interesting)
We are already seeing a slight reduction compared to previous monthly rates for this time of year.
Thing is, people who died prematurely often lost years of their lives, and died in pain. Often they couldn't have their loved ones with them even if it wasn't for the lockdown, since the risk of them catching it and dying was pretty high, especially before we had vaccines.
Re: (Score:2)
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.10... [pnas.org]
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:4, Insightful)
But they had way more than their neighbouring countries, with very comparable societies and culture
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:5, Informative)
Socialized medicine for the win! From your link.
Although Sweden fared worse than its Nordic neighbours, lower rates of obesity - a key risk factor for severe coronavirus disease - and a better-resourced healthcare system helped limit fatalities in the country.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Well, Covid certainly culled the weak and feeble ones. But also people who could have lived another couple years despite being far from what could be considered "healthy".
There's still a considerable death toll from people who live unhealthy lifestyles and who are already existing "on the edge". The average, healthy, human has a built-in security buffer for diseases and health problems. If you're already living on the edge of that buffer, well, the next breeze kicks you off the cliff.
And a lot of people in
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:5, Informative)
It also culled plenty of fools. The Herman Cain awards give endless entertainment. Pwned those libs with their last breath.
Re: (Score:2)
Just lemme start a GoFundMe page and it's fine. Bootstrapping yourself is for these brown people, I have rights!
Re: (Score:2)
You can’t just use age in dealing with statistics like this. Factor in voter records and you’ll see some trends.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
You do realize that no matter who dies or what the cause it can be said "he or she would have died of something eventually'.
Re: (Score:2)
But I think the point was that the death rate in the coming years / decades will continue to reveal new information about the demographics of the excess deaths registered in the last couple years, which we currently don't have. (Since identifying a single cause of death such as covid for any given individual is sometimes tricky or doesn't really even make sense.)
Re: (Score:2)
There's going to be more death (Score:2)
It's a disease with long lasting effects that virtually everyone got. It's going to have a significant impact on the lifespan of the entire human race.
Re: (Score:2)
"It's a disease with long lasting effects that virtually everyone got"
Rubbish. Long covid- depending which figures you believe - affects less than 10% of people.
Re: (Score:2)
He is not talking about "long covid" - he is talking about organ damage. Different category. [mayoclinic.org]
Also, it's not 10% of cases. It's 43% - going to 57% for those who needed hospitalization. [webmd.com]
It's the nature of the disease. Even your "regular flu" damages tissue simply by virus multiplication. [sciencedaily.com]
You may be confusing the number of DEATHS SHORTLY AFTER COVID - that's (more than) 1 in 10. [nihr.ac.uk]
The research team gathered information on hospital admission or readmission, and death from any cause.
They looked at new diagnoses of respiratory, cardiovascular, metabolic, kidney and liver diseases.
The data covered 140 days on average for each patient.
The researchers found that, compared to matched controls, COVID-19 patients:
- were 4 times more likely to be admitted to hospital; nearly 1 in 3 were readmitted (after the initial discharge)
- were 8 times more likely to die; more than 1 in 10 died
- were 27 times more likely to have a new diagnosis of a respiratory disease
- were 3 times more likely to have a new diagnosis of diabetes
- had a higher risk (50% higher) of a new diagnosis of heart disease.
The increased risk of diabetes and heart disease supports other evidence that COVID-19 damages many organs, not just the lungs.
People who were under 70 or from ethnic minority groups were badly affected after hospital treatment for COVID-19.
They were compared, respectively, to the over 70s or to White people in the general population.
The under 70s and people from ethnic minority groups had greater increases in risk of death, hospital admission and disease beyond the lungs.
Re: (Score:2)
"He is not talking about "long covid" - he is talking about organ damage."
Really? I presume you can read as he said:
"It's a disease with long lasting effects that virtually everyone got"
Last time I looked "virtually everyone" doesn't mean 57% of the 0.1% of the population who were hospitalised.
Re: (Score:2)
Or... hear me out... people may have gotten vaccinated.
The death rate has already dropped. Despite the death rate and the excess deaths not agreeing, they do very much trend with each other (we calculate the excess deaths on a monthly rate) and both have trended down with vaccination.
Re: It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:3)
It's also possible that it killed primarily older people but reduces the life of younger people (from long COVID).
Re: (Score:3)
... if in the coming few years there'll be an equivalent fewer deaths. If there is it'll mean most of the people who died of covid were the sick and elderly who were going to die or would have died soon anyway. If the death rate *doesn't* drop in the next few years it'll show that covid killed a significant proportion of the young+ middle aged and healthy.
If long covid leads to additional deaths, then the people it didn't kill might die earlier than they would otherwise and the trend could continue longer.
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
It's not the same as medication in which a person takes it over a long period of time.
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:5, Informative)
Of course there is.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
mRNA half life in human cells is measured in hours.
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:4, Informative)
mRNA was discovered in the 1960s and was researched heavily in the 1990s when technology improved. mRNA as a delivery mechanism is going to greatly improve medicine.
Re: (Score:2)
There is a built in time limit. mRNA has a limited life, that's why the vaccine had to be kept very cold until ready for use.
OTOH, COVID itself can just keep going and going.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Interesting. Guillain-Barré only starts to surface after many years after the vaccine was given?
Re: (Score:2)
No. The effects can last a long time but onset will be shortly after the vaccine or not at all.
Re: (Score:2)
Ah. So the whole "ohhh, you don't know whether the vaccine will have long term effects" is bullshit?
Gee, you don't say...
Re: (Score:2)
How do you know it wasn’t Covid that caused GBS?
Re: (Score:3)
from your link:
Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) is an autoimmune acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy usually elicited by an upper respiratory tract infection. Several studies reported GBS associated with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection. In this study, we described nine GBS patients following the COVID-19 vaccine.
The link between the COVID-19 vaccine and GBS is not well understood. Given the prevalence of GBS over the population, this association may be coincidental; therefore, more studies are needed to investigate a causal relationship.
Re: (Score:3)
They're less "playing with it" than trying to actively confuse.
I'm not aware of a single vaccine side effect that only manifests years after getting it. Not with this vaccine, or any.
Re: (Score:3)
They didn't purposely press the AC button for nothing.
I'm pretty sure there aren't any.
Re:It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:5, Funny)
Correct. I suffered from a nose bleed years after my first flu shot? Coincidence? Checkmate libs!
Re: (Score:2)
This is the most widely studied and administered vaccine in history. Take a hit from your vape pen, take a sip of Starbucks and you’ll be fine. That vaccine might have chemicals in it!
Re: It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:4, Informative)
Re: It'll be interesting to see.. (Score:5, Insightful)
We don't know the long term effects of the vaccine: therefore, it can be anything
We don't know the long term effects of COVID, therefore, it doesn't exist
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Agreed, the actual long-term effects of covid are of far greater concern, especially amongst the young and asymptomatic. The young because they aren't getting extra boosters any more, the asymptomatic because the reduction/elimination of free lateral flow tests means that they can't be properly recorded or identified and thus may be inappropriately treated from any such long-term effects as turn out to exist.
Long COVID (Score:5, Interesting)
I haven't RTFA so I don't know how the WHO is coming to these numbers, but the thing people really don't have their headed wrapped around is long COVID whose numbers, at least anecdotally, seem staggering (I've seen estimates between 10 and 30%). I know people my age (early 50s) in fair health who got COVID 18+ months ago and are still struggling with mental and stamina and sensory declines to this day.
Re:Long COVID (Score:4, Interesting)
According to the National Library of Medicine, it's 80% of patients [nih.gov] that deal with lasting effects.
Re: (Score:2)
Long COVID seems to be similar to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and ME, so I can really sympathise with the people who have it. There is no treatment. Some people say graded exercise therapy works, but it was banned last year in the UK because there is evidence it does more harm than good.
As well as being awful for those who get it, it will be a disaster for the economy if large numbers of people are unable to work, or only work part time.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
who got COVID 18+ months ago
Reading that part I got cold spine thinking about a new covid variant called 18+ instead of 19.
Re: (Score:2)
Covid 18+ might well end up being an actual designation, given some things can't be socially distanced.
Re: (Score:2)
In short, you've not talked to any.
The WHO believes many countries undercounted (Score:2)
oh wait
Strengthening their position for the next one. (Score:2)
My understanding is that they broadened the parameters for what qualified as a Covid death. If you die from Covid you should only be counted if it directly caused the death. A motorcycle rider that crashed and died did not die from Covid, by any stretch.
Re:Maybe (Score:5, Informative)
IIf WHO transparently accounts for fine, if not fake news.
Did you even read the summary?
"The measure used by the WHO is called excess deaths - how many more people died than would normally be expected based on mortality in the same area before the pandemic hit. These calculations also take into account deaths which were not directly because of Covid but instead caused by its knock-on effects, like people being unable to access hospitals for the care they needed."
Re: (Score:3)
IIf WHO transparently accounts for fine, if not fake news.
Did you even read the summary?
Of course not - see my "first post!" for the reason why.
Re: (Score:2)
The hell they wouldn't. People weren't crowded into hospitals to receive Ivermecin, they were hauled into hospitals after succumbing to illness because Ivermectin does not treat COVID [webmd.com], full stop.
Making it more readily available and feeding the delusion would make the problem worse, not better.
Re: (Score:2)
People weren't crowded into hospitals to receive Ivermecin, they were hauled into hospitals after succumbing to illness because Ivermectin does not treat COVID, full stop.
This paper involving two orders of magnitude more subjects than the paper you cite says it is massively effective.
https://www.cureus.com/article... [cureus.com]
Making it more readily available and feeding the delusion would make the problem worse, not better.
This notion it is somehow necessary to pick and choose between either vaccines or treatments is without merit. Both treatments and vaccines can be concurrently utilized to maximize health outcomes.
What is very much making the problem worse are our public health institutions pissing away their credibility and legitimacy during a pandemic on scandals like Aduhelm
Re: (Score:2)
The paper with massive undisclosed conflicts of interest [cureus.com], no randomization or blinding, and data falsification issues [nih.gov]?
That one?
Re: (Score:2)
The paper with massive undisclosed conflicts of interest, no randomization or blinding, and data falsification issues?
That one?
Undisclosed conflicts of interest, blinding, randomization failures, numerous protocol violations and mid course protocol changes all occurred in the TOGETHER trial. All of the trials can be torn apart and discredited. The question in my view should be is the data offered meaningfully impacted by structural shortcomings of a given trial.
The trial I cited does not pretend to be randomized or blinded. As for "data falsification" using comparative population level data across regions and or time to establis
Re: (Score:2)
Quotes without source are utterly useless.
But you know that, of course. Unless you really are a complete idiot. Which is of course a possibility, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Re:Maybe (Score:5, Informative)
These calculations also take into account deaths which were not directly because of Covid but instead caused by its knock-on effects, like people being unable to access hospitals for the care they needed."
... because hospitals were filled beyond capacity with horse ass paste eating anti-vaxxer morons.
"Ivermectin is currently used for about 28% of the world’s population. Countries where COVID-19 mortality is close to zero may not have incentive to adopt treatments. When excluding these countries, ivermectin adoption is about 39%. We excluded countries where the cumulative mortality over the preceding month was less than 1 in 1 million.
I wonder how much more of a planet, will prove your ignorance and stupidity. They wouldn't have overcrowded hospitals had 50 cents worth of pills been made available at every corner pharmacy instead of politicized by Greed.
and ...
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/... [nejm.org]
... a conspiracy theorist nutcase on slashdot medical advice based on Trumpist political ideology ... hmmmm ... I'm going with the New England Journal of Medicine.
https://krcgtv.com/news/local/... [krcgtv.com]
So, my choice is the New England Journal of Medicine or,
Re: (Score:2)
Let’s do a scorecard, of official [worldometers.info] covid deaths per million population [and current daily cases, total, not per capita] on 26 Dec 2021:
Countries that did not close their borders and went to vaccines as soon as possible:
Countries that did not close their borders and, after alarming infection, mostly adopted ivermectin:
Countries that closed their borders but have recently opened up:
Your choice, is to believe the New England School of Medicine, or the other 39% of the planet, who appears to be proving them dead wrong.
Firstly, if the 'other 39 percent' stand behind Ivermectin then 61% and the New England Journal of Medicine stand with me in the assertion that Ivermectin does diddly squat to cure Covid-19. I like those numbers. Secondly, your little list is very nice but worldometers.info never makes the claim that any of these statistics were influenced by Ivermectin. Can you please furnish us with even one large scale clinical study that proves conclusively that Ivermectin is some kind of Covid-19 silver bullet? Until t
Re: (Score:2)
If you think Japan didn't effectively close its borders, you're delusional.
To this day Japan is the only one of the G7 countries that doesn't allow tourists, and for months you couldn't even get a visa if you were moving there. "Special exceptional circumstances" only for non-residents/citizens, and for the first few months you couldn't even get back in the country as a resident. Heck, my friends living there were afraid to leave to visit family over the holidays for fear that they might close the borders a
Re:Maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
Ivermectin works great on parasites. It stands to reason in countries where parasites are common that Covid patients might fare better. Being parasite free might give you a better chance of fighting a virus.
Re:Maybe (Score:5, Informative)
Those 15 million are the excess deaths compared to "normal" years.
Fuck semantics and "oh, it's not FROM Covid, it's WITH" or anything. What we are looking at is people who died who would not have died if there was no Covid.
Re: (Score:2)
OK, then explain the death statistics difference between pre- and post-Covid onset.
You may have an excuse for the past 2 months or so in two particular countries for a higher death toll, other than that I don't see any other considerable influence on it.
Re: (Score:2)
Statistics are estimates? Dude, please, where the hell do you get that bullshit from? Seriously, who says something like that, and more importantly, why the hell do you listen to them?
Statistics have a basis. Good statistics will actually provide this. Pretty much every first world country has very detailed records of people getting born and dying. And no matter what some people think, people are actually biologically very similar. Anything that works on them here works just as well anywhere else. We also
Re: (Score:2)
It may surprise you, but even with inaccurate input you can paint a pretty good picture, provided you can correct for it. With human lives, this is actually surprisingly easy.
We have death statistics from before Covid. We have death statistics from now. When we ignore why the people die, which is what this WHO report does, what's left is whether there is a significant difference in deaths.
Imagine this was treated like a national secret in the US. If you think the conspiracy nuttery around Covid is already s
Re: (Score:2)
Well, yes, that's pretty much what happens in my country at least. I don't know if people aren't important enough to record their death in yours, maybe that's our socialist world only...
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
In much of the US anybody that died WITH covid was counted as dying FROM covid.
In much of the USA people flocked to making Slashdot accounts with high UIDs to help spread this bullshit which ultimately accounts to nothing more than a couple of isolated incidents amplified massively by rightwing idiots.
Get yourself a better news source.
You can start by reading the WHO report which has nothing to do with COVID at all, they are comparing total death rate and don't give a fuck if you died from COVID, with COVID, from dewormer overdose or from braindamage from excessive Fox News.
Re: Maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
Sources please? I keep hearing this from Fox viewers. Person dropped dead from a heart attack? Doctor writes that up as Covid. I ask what the incentive for falsifying records is and they mumble something about death benefits or money for someone but can’t elaborate. Has anyone received their fake Covid checks yet? How much did you get?
Re: (Score:2)
"Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
https://www.usatoday.com/st [usatoday.com]
Re: Maybe (Score:4, Informative)
Unfounded claim by a republican senator, his own words even say MIGHT. Gets spread by right wing news and here we are. So it really boils down to a hospital padding the bill to defraud medicare. Any reports of such incidents? No? Didn’t think so.
Re: (Score:3)
That’s about Covid testing, not falsifying death records or padding bills as originally claimed.
Re: (Score:3)
Off topic: Approximately how many "silvergun" accounts do you operate?
Re: (Score:2)
There is plenty of truth to attack the healthcare industry with without resorting to baseless allegations of widespread fraud in covid reporting.
Re: (Score:2)
Sources please? I keep hearing this from Fox viewers.
That's because you won't hear it from news agencies with journalist who no longer have any journalistic integrity. Not really saying that Fox does much better on this kind of thing, but people really do need to broaden their choice when looking for news. Since you asked for a source, here is the first one that comes up in a DuckDuckGo search. https://catherinesalgado.subst... [substack.com]
If you are not willing to view what the opposing side is reporting, then you will forever be locked in a bubble that can't see the
Re: (Score:2)
Stopped reading at the words Project Veritas. Literal definition of fake news.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
Re: (Score:2)
Yeah I don't think sourcing an organization best known for manufacturing stories to produce outrage is going to help your case here.
Re: (Score:2)
Hmm... Gift, neutrum, German.
Translates to "poison".
Re: (Score:2)
Luckily my favorite person gave me a phrase to use when people say things like this. Now I just say "fake news" to myself a few times and the bad things go away.
He's a gift to the world that keeps on giving.
Currently appears to be troll moderated for low visibility so I feel obliged to requote it, though I can't tell if it's serious or sarcastic or some kind of Poe's Law thing.
My take? Let me see if I can find a suitable cut to paste...
But I really want a good transparent mask. Something I could wear all the time with minimal "social" impact. Seems to me like a gigantic marketing opportunity, too. My latest wrinkle along those economic lines is thinking about "cosmetic" versions of the transparent masks. Not fully transparent, but with cosmetic enhancements so women could skip some of their makeup rituals. (Which leads to my desire for a "castle in the sky" website... I have too many castles to build?)
Overall I think our basic life style is too different from the environment in which we evolved. Our immune systems just aren't up to handling constant exposure to so many other people. On that basis, I think it should be standard practice to wear masks in public and to try to manage our immune systems--but "immune system management" is really what we're doing with our current vaccination programs.
Re: (Score:2)
Ok, how can we lead the world in covid deaths with 1 million....yet the article summary just said India had like 4.7 million covid deaths.
Last time I looked 1 million was still far less than 4.7 million.
Had you only continued reading... (Score:2)
Answer to your question is right there in the next sentence in the summary.
The Indian government has questioned the estimate, saying it has "concerns" about the methodology, but other studies have come to similar conclusions about the scale of deaths in the country.
I.e. Just like it was stated in the sentence BEFORE THAT ONE YOU QUOTE the conclusion of WHO is that "many countries undercounted the numbers who died from Covid - only 5.4 million were reported".
That's how US has more reported dead than India - despite having far fewer citizens and a far more functioning healthcare system than the country that only got (almost) 100% electrified just a few years ago. [forbes.com]
Never stop reading folks. High-sch
Re: (Score:2)
" In India, there were 4.7 million Covid deaths, it says - 10 times the official figures."
The official number in America, was 1 million before this report. Based on your lack of reading comprehension, 10 times 4.7 million, is less than a million.
And I say "alleged" because while the world wants to beat on America for leading this death race, this report certainly clarified some truths in one of the two countries on the planet that holds 40% of the human population. Now we're waiting for the other one.
Re: (Score:2)
*4.7 million, divided by 10. Hopefully you still comprehend your mistake regardless of mine.
Re: (Score:2)
We lead the world in *reported* deaths. The US *reported* death figure is almost exactly one million. India's *reported* death figure is 524,000.
I don't want to spread any misconceptions about India -- it is an advanced country with a middle class that is larger than the entire population of the United States. But it also has hundreds of millions of people who live in conditions where their death is highly unlikely to be recorded by the country's public health monitoring system.
You really have to take cros
Re: (Score:2)
Sources for your figures?
Re: (Score:2)
Sources for your figures?
The USA leads by total cases Covid-19 and total Covid-19 deaths:
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
In terms of Covid-19 deaths (18th from the bottom out of 228) and Covid-19 cases (57th from the bottom out of 228) per million inhabitants the USA isn't at the top but it fails miserably compared to a whole host of really poor countries with a very limited healthcare system.
US Covid-19 cases per Million: 3,060 (18th from the bottom out of 228)
US Covid-19 deaths per Million: 249,386 (57th from the bottom
Re: (Score:2)
How will you feel then, Joce640k?
Me? I'll blame China.
It'll make me feel better to know it's all out of my control and it's the evil Chinese who are doing it.
Re: No problem (Score:5, Informative)
Re: (Score:3)
Trump suggested to his alleged base that they should take the vaccine — he said it would be "a beautiful thing" if they did. They turned on him immediately, so he stopped suggesting they take it. He may be an idiot, but he's no dummy. He knows how to play to a crowd.
Re: No problem (Score:5, Informative)
Actually people of color are most affected by Covid because as a group they are the least likely to be vaccinated. And they are more likely to be Democrats in the US. That is science. That is fact. ArchieBunker: why did you mention Republicans?
The GP is actually correct, at least in terms of absolute numbers. 63% of COVID deaths were white (source: Kaiser Family Foundation [kff.org]).
So basically, people of Asian descent are about half as likely to die from COVID as everybody else, give or take.
That said, this comes with a big "but". Asians are also disproportionately likely to be vaccinated and boosted compared with the general population. 85% of Asians are vaccinated versus just 63% of whites (source: Kaiser Family Foundation [kff.org]). So most or all of these differences in outcome may be caused by socioeconomic or educational differences rather than by actual biological differences.
But either way, because whites make up the largest percentage of the population and have a higher rate of death than average, they do make up the majority of deaths. And the deaths are far worse in red states [axios.com], which strongly supports the theory that Republicans make up the bulk of the deaths.
And given that Asians also lean Democrat (at least in the last election), the large reduction in Asian deaths more than cancels out the smaller (in absolute numbers) increase in African American deaths when it comes to deaths among Democrats, which further supports that theory.
None of that is concrete, of course, but the general consensus is that there are likely considerably more COVID deaths among Republicans than Democrats.
Re: No problem (Score:5, Funny)
Actually the states most crushed by Covid were and are California and New York and Pennsylvania. You can check the numbers yourself. Are they red states? You guys really need to stop politicizing science. It is not going to work out well for you in the end.
On a per capita basis red states it is.
https://www.statista.com/stati... [statista.com]
At least your UID is correct.
Re: No problem (Score:2)
What the hell are you talking about? He actually endorsed the vaccine, and in his own idiotic way took credit for it (though he may have played a role as the US invested in multiple promising vaccines under the expectation that very few of them would be viable, whereas Europe only invested in a handful of them, and then ended up stuck without a vaccine when they didn't work.)
Where Trump went wrong was the whole hydroxychloroquine and bleach injection shit. All of the anti-vaxxer bullshit came from that assh
Re: (Score:3)
What the hell are you talking about? He actually endorsed the vaccine, and in his own idiotic way took credit for it (though he may have played a role as the US invested in multiple promising vaccines under the expectation that very few of them would be viable, whereas Europe only invested in a handful of them, and then ended up stuck without a vaccine when they didn't work.)
Where Trump went wrong was the whole hydroxychloroquine and bleach injection shit. All of the anti-vaxxer bullshit came from that asshole Alex Jones.
What I'm talking about is.. he literally bet on covid going away. And he kept betting and betting (my cards comparison from the previous post), and doubling down and double or nothing on covid going away ("herd mentality?"). He did kick start the whole vaccine thing, but how much that helped is debatable... groups were already working on vaccines anyway. And then once he was no longer president he was pretty meh about vaccines, but by then all his followers already bought the coolaid and were booing him
Re: (Score:2)
As stated above, this 15 millions are excess deaths. This includes the people who died from lasting effects, as well as those people who died because they couldn't get a hospital bed since it was already occupied by some bozo who thought that he knows better than every single medical expert in the world.
Have we corrected for Trumps fudged numbers? (Score:2)
I had a relative die just outside the adjusted window for COVID so she wasn't classified as a COVID death when it clearly and indisputably was the cause of the blood clots but just was over the short 21? day limit imposed to make the numbers look better.
Have we had somebody go back and try to correct the dishonest classification system yet? I know my state likely classified her death as COVID; at the time they had their own system (necessary when you can't trust the feds...)
Seems to me the only way we will
Re: (Score:2)
Yeah they do man. I don't know how else to put this, but they have a primary cause of death and secondary causes and a lot of places have been reporting stats for both. Many even report it for hospitalizations now (people hospitalized with/because of COVID). It might have been something you could question at the start of the pandemic when the effects of COVID weren't well known and testing wasn't as available, but by now that's all been worked out.
Plus you can always look at the excess deaths which corre