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Sunspot Activity On the Sun Is Seriously Exceeding Official Predictions (sciencealert.com) 64

"Weather predictions here on Earth are more accurate than they've ever been," writes ScienceAlert.

"Trying to predict the behavior of our wild and wacky Sun is a little more tricky." Case in point: according to official predictions, the current cycle of solar activity should be mild. But the gap between the prediction and what's actually happening is pretty significant — and it's getting wider. Sunspot counts, used as a measure for solar activity, are way higher than the predicted values calculated by the NOAA, NASA, and the International Space Environmental Service.

In fact, sunspot counts have been consistently higher than predicted levels since September 2020. This could mean that, in contrast to predictions, the Sun is in the swing of an unusually strong activity cycle.... [T]he number of sunspots for the last 18 months has been consistently higher than predictions. At time of writing, the Sun has 61 sunspots, and we're still over three years from solar maximum.

Here's what makes that even more significant. In 2020 a team of scientists (led by solar physicist Scott McIntosh of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research) predicted that, based on long-term solar cycle trends, this solar cycle was likely to be stronger — and perhaps one of the strongest ever recorded.

They'd also said in 2020 that scientists "lacked a fundamental understanding" of the mechanism behind sun spot cycles, and argued that if this sun cycle proves them correct, "we will have evidence that our framework for understanding the Sun's internal magnetic machine is on the right path."

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Sunspot Activity On the Sun Is Seriously Exceeding Official Predictions

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  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @11:36AM (#62434062)

    I read the story years ago

  • by devslash0 ( 4203435 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @11:36AM (#62434064)

    I'm sure some whackadoodles out there will say that we've gone so far with heating up our own planet that now even the Sun gets a richotet.

    • even the Sun gets a richotet

      I really hope you were trying for "ricochet", since otherwise I am completely clueless....

    • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:05PM (#62434204) Homepage Journal

      I'm sure some whackadoodles out there will say that we've gone so far with heating up our own planet that now even the Sun gets a richotet.

      The solution will be sunspot capture technology.

      We can pump the sunspots underground for long-term storage, where heat and pressure will eventually merge them with the molten core and be long-term stable.

      The biggest technological hurdle is capturing them in the first place. We need to fund a lot more research in this area.

      • That would be a stupid suggestion.

        Everyone knows that it is all the solar energy that we have been taking from the Sun. It's is being cooled down, so more dark spots.

        Not content with destroying the Earth, we attack the Sun itself!

  • by groobly ( 6155920 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @11:58AM (#62434096)

    The Sun's behavior is just another consequence of rampant global warming caused by right wing extremists here on earth.

  • by bruceki ( 5147215 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @12:01PM (#62434102)
    This increased activity years before the maximum makes me wonder if we won't get a carrington event. We've already had satellites knocked out of orbit.
    • Another event of that magnitude could very well fix global warming. Sure, our civilization will crumble, but we won't be polluting the world with all our fried computer technology.

  • High sunspots mean high solar activity. This increases the chance of solar flare frying our orbital infrastructure. One good hit and communications, GPS, and a whole lot of other stuff goes down. Are we ready? Of course, not.
    • uh huh, we've had this level of activity in cycles for how many years? answer is lots on geological timescales, calm your tits.

      • by splutty ( 43475 )

        Considering 'on geological timescales' we've had about 4 microseconds of actual electronics in orbit, that's a rather useless statement :D

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        Sure, but human lives and livelihoods depending upon satellites and solid state electronics is a very, very recent development. To a medieval person, a massive geomagnetic storm meant pretty lights in the sky. To a modern person it could mean the collapse of the economy. Imagine the impact if a solar storm took out just GPS.

        • Imagine the impact if a solar storm took out just GPS.

          Well for one thing I'll get more phone calls asking me to find someones destination on maps (tm). I learned to travel by using a map, planning a route and looking for landmarks. My phone just tells me to turn after I've passed the junction most of the time.

        • Our satellites and GPS survived just fine going through heavier periods of solar activity for decades.

          You're hilarious bringing up GPS, Adults my age didn't have it and we got around just fine. Imagine engaging your brain to use plain ol' map, observation of road signs and addresses, and common sense. A weapon might need GPS, human does not.

          • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

            Our satellites and GPS survived just fine going through heavier periods of solar activity for decades.

            The satellites themselves might be ok, but not their signals. And we don't have solid data for anything like the Carrington Event happening today.

            You're hilarious bringing up GPS, Adults my age didn't have it and we got around just fine. Imagine engaging your brain to use plain ol' map, observation of road signs and addresses, and common sense.

            It doesn't matter how "common sense" it is to be able to do that. The fact is, it's a skill most of the younger generation doesn't have and doesn't need to obtain until this actually happens, which means it'll cause problems when it does.

            Ships and aircraft use GPS now too. Technically they can do without, but when you have crews who only remember how to do that fr

            • If the satellites are fine then GPS is fine, disruption for hours is possible but that's all.

              Most people drive known routes. So some very few people losing GPS might get lost and have to ask for directions home or have to pay attention to road signs, or wait for atmospheric ionization to die down? Not a big issue really.

              Merely big geomagnetic storms haven't taken out most the power grid though regions have had problems for some hours. Nor have aircraft and ships gotten lost from them... if you're worrie

    • Are we ready? Nah. Are we excited? I AM! LoL Ukraine will look like a joke if suddenly the entire planet loses electricity, communication, transportation, and the ability to feed the masses. It's barely warming up in the US right now and I've already seen two power line capacitors explode from over current.
  • by ebcdic ( 39948 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:16PM (#62434220)
    Yes, solar activity is higher than predicted. Higher than the rather low levels predicted. Maybe this cycle won't be as weak as expected - it's not long since people were making wild predictions that we were about to enter a new Maunder-style minimum. Or maybe we're just a bit further into the cycle than we thought. In short, we just don't know, and have no particular reason to worry about it.
    • Where is it "exaggerated"? Both the summary and the title where the activity has "exceeded expectations" which is the mildest statement someone can make about it.
    • ... it's not long since people were making wild predictions that we were about to enter a new Maunder-style minimum.

      Not all that wild. As I recall they were based on an insight and a new model of the sun's activity - as a series of TWO dynamos at a time, with a significant-strength lifetime of two solar cycles so they overlapped. (Think a series of adults and children, with the adult being the major player of the current solar cycle's output then dying out while the child grew up to be the next cycle's ad

      • ... it's not long since people were making wild predictions that we were about to enter a new Maunder-style minimum.

        Yeah, I've heard that prediction for pretty much every single solar cycle since I was in college. Along with a statement that the Maunder minimum means another "little ice age" (quick summary: no evidence for that). You can ignore it.

        Not all that wild. As I recall they were based on an insight and a new model of the sun's activity - as a series of TWO dynamos at a time, with a significant-strength lifetime of two solar cycles so they overlapped.

        Yes, pretty wacko. There indeed was a new model that made that prediction, from a mathematics professor in England, but there was pretty much zero evidence for the model; it was entirely speculative, and as far as I can tell no actual solar physicists credit it.

        Next solar cy

  • by klossner ( 733867 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:40PM (#62434256)
  • by Vandil X ( 636030 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @01:59PM (#62434296)
    Yes, the Sun has a climate. Not a very hospitable one, but a good one for a gravitationally-bound large-scale fusion reaction. And that climate changes over time. Within 5 billion years from now it'll really change dramatically with a supernova.

    Humanity has only been observing the Sun with meaningful, retrievable data in the last 5000 years. We may notice trends, but the Sun has been around for billions of years. Perhaps some trends just take 10,000 years or more and we're just noticing them with the right tools.
    • by NormalVisual ( 565491 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @05:04PM (#62434644)

      Within 5 billion years from now it'll really change dramatically with a supernova.

      No. Just, no.

      The Sun is not anywhere near massive enough to die as a Type II supernova, and since we don't have any stellar companions, chances are quite low that the Sun could become a Type Ia supernova after it ends up as a white dwarf.

  • by karlandtanya ( 601084 ) on Sunday April 10, 2022 @02:40PM (#62434366)

    The sun is almost halfway through it's life on the main sequence. We've only got ~5.5E+09 years until the it starts fusing helium into carbon in earnest.
    This proves it's already starting!
    We need to significantly reduce carbon output before that happens, or it will be too late!

  • Fortunately Sunspot Activity on the Earth is holding steady at zero.
  • That is, to figure out what the sunspot cycle looked at when the Carrington event (or even the slightly smaller, more recent one that blacked out Quebec) happened. Is there any correlation between the overall character of the cycle and the strength of the events it contains, or is is essentially random?

  • At first, I was reading this and thinking "where is all this sunspot activity taking place?". Glad I checked the Subject heading again.
  • Seriously? It's bloody obvious what the cause is, those 'scientists' are just too stubborn and blinkered to accept the truth.

    "The first known interstellar object to visit our solar system, 1I/2017 U1 ‘Oumuamua, was discovered Oct. 19, 2017 by the University of Hawaii’s Pan-STARRS1 telescope. While originally classified as a comet, observations revealed no signs of cometary activity after it slingshotted past the Sun on Sept. 9, 2017 at a blistering speed of 196,000 miles per hour (87.3 kilometer

  • Get over it
  • ... are completely different story.

It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster. - Voltaire

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