'Pulsed Electromagnetic Energy' Could Cause Havana Syndrome (cnn.com) 72
An intelligence panel investigating the cause of a spate of mysterious incidents that have struck dozens of US officials across the globe has said that some of the episodes could "plausibly" have been caused by "pulsed electromagnetic energy" emitted by an external source, according to an executive summary of the panel's findings released Wednesday. CNN reports: But the panel stopped short of making a definitive determination, saying only that both electromagnetic energy and, in limited circumstances, ultrasound could explain the key symptoms -- highlighting the degree to which the murky illness known colloquially as "Havana Syndrome" has remained one of the intelligence community's most stubborn mysteries. "We've learned a lot," an intelligence official familiar with the panel's work told reporters, speaking on anonymity under terms set by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. "While we don't have the specific mechanism for each case, what we do know is if you report quickly and promptly get medical care, most people are getting well."
The scientific panel emphasized that the cases it studied were "genuine and compelling," noting that some incidents have affected multiple people in the same space and clinical samples from a few victims have shown signs of "cellular injury to the nervous system." An executive summary of the panel's work provided new details about how the government is categorizing cases as possible Havana Syndrome, a clinically vague illness that has long frustrated firm diagnosis because victims have suffered from such a diverse array of symptoms. Although officials declined to say how many cases the panel examined as part of its inquiry, they said they studied cases that met four "core characteristics": the acute onset of sounds or pressure, sometimes in only one ear or on one side of the head; simultaneous symptoms of vertigo, loss of balance and ear pain; "a strong sense of locality or directionality"; and the absence of any known environmental or medical conditions that could have caused the other symptoms.
Both pulsed electromagnetic energy, "particularly in the radiofrequency range," and ultrasonic arrays could feasibly cause the four core symptoms, the panel found. Both could originate from "a concealable source." But ultrasound can't travel through walls, the panel found, "restricting its applicability to scenarios in which the source is near the target." Sources of radiofrequency energy, on the other hand, are known to exist, "could generate the required stimulus, are concealable, and have moderate power requirements," the panel said. "Using nonstandard antennas and techniques, the signals could be propagated with low loss through air for tens to hundreds of meters, and with some loss, through most building materials." But intelligence officials familiar with the panel's work emphasized that important information gaps remained, forestalling them from reaching firmer conclusions. The experts panel also ruled out so-called psycho-social factors. They also ruled out "ionizing radiation, chemical and biological agents, infrasound, audible sound, ultrasound propagated over large distances, and bulk heating from electromagnetic energy."
"The panel made seven recommendations, including developing better biomarkers that are 'more specific and more sensitive for diagnosis and triage' of cases," reports CNN. "It also recommended utilizing 'detectors' and obtaining 'devices to aid research.' Finally, officials urged swift action by medical officials whenever a case is reported, emphasizing that individuals who have been treated immediately after an event have improved."
The scientific panel emphasized that the cases it studied were "genuine and compelling," noting that some incidents have affected multiple people in the same space and clinical samples from a few victims have shown signs of "cellular injury to the nervous system." An executive summary of the panel's work provided new details about how the government is categorizing cases as possible Havana Syndrome, a clinically vague illness that has long frustrated firm diagnosis because victims have suffered from such a diverse array of symptoms. Although officials declined to say how many cases the panel examined as part of its inquiry, they said they studied cases that met four "core characteristics": the acute onset of sounds or pressure, sometimes in only one ear or on one side of the head; simultaneous symptoms of vertigo, loss of balance and ear pain; "a strong sense of locality or directionality"; and the absence of any known environmental or medical conditions that could have caused the other symptoms.
Both pulsed electromagnetic energy, "particularly in the radiofrequency range," and ultrasonic arrays could feasibly cause the four core symptoms, the panel found. Both could originate from "a concealable source." But ultrasound can't travel through walls, the panel found, "restricting its applicability to scenarios in which the source is near the target." Sources of radiofrequency energy, on the other hand, are known to exist, "could generate the required stimulus, are concealable, and have moderate power requirements," the panel said. "Using nonstandard antennas and techniques, the signals could be propagated with low loss through air for tens to hundreds of meters, and with some loss, through most building materials." But intelligence officials familiar with the panel's work emphasized that important information gaps remained, forestalling them from reaching firmer conclusions. The experts panel also ruled out so-called psycho-social factors. They also ruled out "ionizing radiation, chemical and biological agents, infrasound, audible sound, ultrasound propagated over large distances, and bulk heating from electromagnetic energy."
"The panel made seven recommendations, including developing better biomarkers that are 'more specific and more sensitive for diagnosis and triage' of cases," reports CNN. "It also recommended utilizing 'detectors' and obtaining 'devices to aid research.' Finally, officials urged swift action by medical officials whenever a case is reported, emphasizing that individuals who have been treated immediately after an event have improved."
Just ask Alexa (Score:1)
If it can't hear you, you know the equipment is working
hooey (Score:1)
I do accept the Cuban explanation it was caused by cicadas, those things are 120 db plus. Occams Razor and no sci-fi B.S.
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"Cicadas" doesn't explain why it would be limited to people in US owned buildings.
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"Cicadas" doesn't explain why it would be limited to people in US owned buildings.
Of course it does. If it was anywhere else they would be las cigarras.
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"Cicadas" doesn't explain why it would be limited to people in US owned buildings.
Selection bias? Those are just the cases we hear about in the US.
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Yes it does, the spanish speaking complain or joke in Spanish about the loud cicadas which they are used to, meanwhile the out of town wear-the-nails snowflake honkies whine, have breakdowns, go to their therapist, and complain in English and you believe their fantasy bullshit of secret devices and plots.
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Reversed conditional? (Score:3, Insightful)
I do accept the Cuban explanation it was caused by cicadas, those things are 120 db plus. Occams Razor and no sci-fi B.S.
I was wondering if people don't have the cause/effect reversed on this.
Suppose there was an external effect, and this effect caused the syndrome *and* drove the cicadas to chirp?
That would explain the cicadas in Havana, explain why it could happen elsewhere where there are no cicadas, and point out that the cicada noise wasn't the cause.
Some area effect that causes pain and damage to humans and, when present, cicadas as well.
Too much rum could cause ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Another zero evidence report about imaginary weapons.
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Nevermind just the psychosomatic effects. If someone gets a headache in a room, you'll find in short order other people start getting the same ailment. Even if there's nothing wrong - just thinking that people getting ill can make you ill.
And it can happen in sympathy - if someone keels over because they have this massive ringing, you'll find within a few minutes everyone is keeling over, even if nothing is happening. Everyone just gets hypersensitive to it.
You'll find same in those claiming "I'm allergic
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Are there any DDT Experts out there? What about the plausability of Havana Syndrome caused by chemical nerve agents that are topical that disrupt your endocrine system and cause cellular nerve damage? A cuban takes some DDT and some 2,4,5-T (Dioxin), microwaves it to become really potent, then someone touches it and it zaps their entire nervous system and destroys certain cellular structure. Seems pretty basic to me...
So present the evidence that this is the cause, stop speculating idly.
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Some of the reports indicated the effects were directional. Hard to imagine directional DDT. Maybe you could work that into your "theory".
Nah (Score:3)
For sure, it was aliens.
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What could the Cubans possibly gain from attacking US diplomats with secret weapons?
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Revenge.
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Face.
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Cuban Government? Is that you? How's it goin, guys? You seem a little sensitive about the face saving. Maybe I hit a nerve.
Every government on this planet cares about face.
Wanna try again?
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Wanna try again?
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60 years is nothing. Revenge has waited far longer. Personally I'm all for it considering the BS that is tied to the history of the US, Cuba, and Soviet Union/Russia. But I'm not your typical american stoogeboy. Just keep exporting those cigars and export that headache technology because it sounds neat.
You like that try?
Gesture of friendship (Score:3)
My conspiracy theory Havana syndrome is caused by illumination of hidden listening devices by unfriendly intelligence agencies akin to oldschool resonate cavity bugs from the 40s.
Basic Physics (Score:2)
Illumination of hidden listening devices by magic dark energy beams invisible to any modern instruments? One can only have this idea without even the slightest knowlegde of physics.
There is nothing illuminated in these stories.
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Illumination of hidden listening devices by magic dark energy beams invisible to any modern instruments?
I was only going off of what the CNN article said.
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The finding largely confirms a National Academies of Science report from late 2020 that found "directed, pulsed radio frequency energy" to be "the most plausible mechanism in explaining these cases
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One can only have this idea without even the slightest knowlegde of physics.
There is nothing illuminated in these stories.
It has been done before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Kind of similar to RFID chips being energized by RF, then responding with a coded RF burst. A listening device could likewise be charged remotely by RF. Seems more plausible than an RF weapon. Tesla thought he could remotely power aircraft.
Mt Wilson EMF (Score:2)
Check out ths site https://www.kcet.org/kcet-50th... [kcet.org] especially bottom photo.
Shouldn't folks working up there have problems for all the EMF? I assume they don't even in an enviroment of hundreds of kilowatts of rf emissions. Also assume the local wildlife is ok too. Until someone can show how non ionizing radiation causes biological effects (other than heating), I would be skeptical of it affecting embassy people.
Thank you defense contractors (Score:1)
I wonâ(TM)t be the first to say it.
In the race to block and muck all wireless transmission and detection someone built a box that spews energy across a wide spectrum⦠one that so happens to scrambles peopleâ(TM)s heads.
But hey, at least your conversations didnâ(TM)t get eavesdropped on.
Learn from the RECENT past ffs. (Score:2)
It would be easy to measure (Score:1)
All of this nonsense can be measured easily. These reoccurring stories need a magic SciFi-Weapon that affects people but none of the devices the agencies would use to track it down.
How perfidious of our enemy, how very convenient for us.
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they used magnets to stop my cancer in my head growing and make it shrink
I'm glad to hear that; good to have you around.
Pulsed electromagnetic radiation (Score:1)
Slashdot uses pulsed nonsense (Score:2)
Of course. Smart meters made of pure pulsed radiation, measuring themselves, directly withdrawing the amount due from my imaginary crypto-cash.
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Most likely embassies own equipment (Score:3)
Probably a reflection of a radar signal or some secret radio transmitter. I guess it might be possible that a powerful enough radio signal could cause the steel reinforcement in concrete to vibrate and emit ultrasound. Could also be that the equipment itself generates ultrasound (like big transformers vibrate) and it propagates though the concrete in the building.
I wonder, if they cross referenced the inventories between embassies, where cases where observed and the dates of the first reports from each place.
Hypochondria (Score:2)
There is increasing evidence that "Havana Syndrome" doesn't actually exist. There is some evidence that people did get sick, possibly from insecticides, in Havana. Later cases are almost certainly pure hypochondria. So, sure, some magic pulses are as likely to cure it as anything else.
I suspect the same is true of most "Long Covid". A couple of people had long-term complications due to clotting or whatever, the press makes a big deal of it, and suddenly lots of people come down with symptoms.
Mind, these
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Long covid is just another type of post viral fatigue syndrome. Thats not to say it isn't real, it very much is, but its not the strange new affliction that its being made out to be.
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You are mistaken.
There is lots of evidence that it does exist, especially clearly visible brain damage on MRIs.
And you come to the idea that your "special agencies" are too stupid to figure if something "exists" or not, is beyond me anyway.
oops (Score:2)
Your post made a good bit of sense until you revealed your ignorance by commenting on Long COVID. Quite a few people who are hospitalized get it. COVID can really mess up people's lungs. I know a couple of previously healthy people who can't walk more than a few dozen meters without getting winded. They hate it and they're not faking it.
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funny (Score:2)
how it seems all impacted people work at a US embassy.
could it be that some new spy equipment (see the newer ANT catalog) is generating this stuff ?
Isn't this obvious? (Score:2)
It's obvious that this is some chemical that some people have adverse reaction to. This is either a pesticide or a cleaning chemical that is used in all the US embassies around the world.
Odd that there are entire rooms (Score:1)
They knew it! (Score:2)
hmm (Score:2)
possible Havana Syndrome, a clinically vague illness that has long frustrated firm diagnosis because victims have suffered from such a diverse array of symptoms
So ... "Agent Gulf War 5G Havana Syndrome".
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free ebook on RF exposure (Score:1)
A very narrow beam (Score:1)
After all, only the diplomats complain, never the cooks, waiters, janitors ...