CDC Panel Unanimously Endorses Pfizer and Moderna Covid Boosters For All US Adults 168
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: The CDC's independent panel of vaccine scientists unanimously endorsed Pfizer and Moderna's boosters for all adults, one of the final regulatory steps before the U.S. can officially start distributing the doses. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted to recommend the shots. The Food and Drug Administration authorized both company's vaccine boosters for everyone 18 and over earlier on Friday, and CDC Director Rochelle Walensky is expected to clear the doses soon after. The panel's recommendation would open up eligibility to everyone 18 and over in the U.S., but the group more strongly endorsed shots for older Americans by saying everyone 50 and over should get a booster. It previously said people over 65 and some other high-risk people should get a third shot. Once Walensky signs off, tens of millions of Americans who've received their two initial shots at least six months ago will be eligible to get a third shot as soon as early as this weekend. "Pfizer said its booster dose was 95% effective at preventing symptomatic infection in people who had no evidence of prior infection in a clinical trial of 10,000 participants 16 years and older," notes CNBC. "Moderna didn't submit its efficacy data for its booster, telling the panel it was still gathering the data."
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"Pfizer said its booster dose was 95% effective at preventing symptomatic infection in people who had no evidence of prior infection in a clinical trial of 10,000 participants 16 years and older," notes CNBC. "Moderna didn't submit its efficacy data for its booster, telling the panel it was still gathering the data."
Hopefully the CDC got their Pfizer data in a "timely" manner.
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You need a vaccine to play sports: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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We're geeks. We laugh at jocks. They give us wedgies.
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You need a vaccine to play sports: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Quite possibly given that myocarditis is a known side-effect [sportsnet.ca].
That being said, in the data I found there were only a few hints at an increase in heart issues [scientificamerican.com] so its hard to know if cardiac incidents among athletes are on the rise due to COVID.
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There are so few people affected by those heart issues compared to the literally billions that have taken one of the vaccines that I wouldn't even consider it as an issue. A few hundred people a year die from taking Tylenol for Christ sakes but you never hear anyone talking about that.
Making decisions using this level of granularity is suboptimal. It is better to judge vaccines on merits of costs and benefits separately within each group of people having substantially similar risks.
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The article was about someone who got myocarditis from actual COVID. The vaccines do produce the same spike proteins and bind to the same receptors, so it's still a risk - but not nearly as bad as something reproducing continuously in the body over time.
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Unlike the actual disease, which has been found to cause myocarditis and pericarditis in an appreciable fraction of victims and to regularly cause lasting body-wide damage to the circulatory system.
Guess why 10-15% of male victims have erectile problems after? Yup, capillary damage. Breathing problems? Capillary damage in the alveolae. 40-so
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extremely rare cases of myocarditis that result from mRNA vaccinations are mild and resolve with zero lasting effects or damage within a week or two.
Unlike the actual disease, which has been found to cause myocarditis and pericarditis in an appreciable fraction of victims and to regularly cause lasting body-wide damage to the circulatory system.
This might end up being true but is not the consensus view yet. [substack.com] It's the right question, but cardiac specialists don't agree we have an answer yet.
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Who is someone with natural immunity? Someone who already got infected once. Their greatest risk of myocarditis would have been during the first infection.
People without a vaccine who have already had COVID can still catch and spread the virus, just with a higher viral load.
"Seem fine" is sort of a pointless comment when we're already talking about something that is mostly invisible damage.
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People without a vaccine who have already had COVID can still catch and spread the virus
That's almost certainly false. While it technically can happen that a naturally immune person spreads, natural immunity to any variant is somewhere between six and thirteen [medrxiv.org] times more sterilizing than vaccine immunity. It can be difficult to get a good number because people who know they're vaccinated may behave differently, and different age and medical cohorts choose to avoid vaccination, but studies attempt to compensate for this, and review articles [bmj.com] consider the result a clear consensus [sharylattkisson.com].
In other words
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People without a vaccine who have already had COVID can still catch and spread the virus
That's almost certainly false. While it technically can happen that a naturally immune person spreads, natural immunity to any variant is somewhere between six and thirteen [medrxiv.org] times more sterilizing than vaccine immunity.
You know, I find it kind of curious that every study that comes to that conclusion seems to come from Israel, and studies in other countries pretty consistently find the opposite [cdc.gov] — that the odds of someone previously infected getting reinfected were more than half again greater than the odds of vaccinated people getting a breakthrough infection.
It all depends on how you slice the data, I guess, including whether you include recent vaccinations, etc.
It can be difficult to get a good number because people who know they're vaccinated may behave differently, and different age and medical cohorts choose to avoid vaccination, but studies attempt to compensate for this, and review articles [bmj.com] consider the result a clear consensus [sharylattkisson.com].
The heck it is. There is no consensus, and the BMJ a
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Many people with "natural immunity" catch COVID several times. It seems some people are either unlucky or especially vulnerable to COVID.
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Or they engage in behaviours that put them at elevated risk, such as frequently visiting crowded places where nobody is wearing a mask.
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There are people who have had multiple symptomatic bouts of COVID.
Note well that if you do get a breakthrough infection after vaccination, we have solid scientific evidence that you are much more likely to have either an asymptomatic infection or a much milder course of illness with less likelihood of long COVID. Also, you will then have the vaccine and natural immunity.
That does not mean you aren't one of those really unlucky people who gets it yet again. But then, if it keeps you off of the ventilator and
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I have not "slipped the thread". I made it quite clear that "natural immunity" is frequently not enough to avoid a second symptomatic infection. I can further add that the second infection may be worse than the first (documented everywhere) and that the natural immunity shows all the same signs of fading as the vaccine (also documented everywhere).
So I repeat, there is NO case where you are worse off for getting the vaccine.
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> There are so few people affected by those heart issues
"During the summer there was a 25 per cent rise in the number of people rushed to the Golden Jubilee National Hospital in Clydebank with partially blocked arteries cutting blood supply to the heart."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/art... [thetimes.co.uk]
Statistics:
- When COVID was only 0.3% of the population it was a "huge number".
- When there's a 25% increase in heart attacks it's "a statistical anomaly".
- rsilvergun is on the wrong side of the argument 96% of the time.
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There are so few people affected by those heart issues compared to the literally billions that have taken one of the vaccines that I wouldn't even consider it as an issue. A few hundred people a year die from taking Tylenol for Christ sakes but you never hear anyone talking about that.
I didn't watch the full youtube video but I didn't see any indication they were talking about the vaccine (it seemed to just be a compilation of reports of heart attacks among athletes).
If the effect is real my suspicion is it's due to heart damage caused by COVID infections.
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Why do most people seem to rule out any negative effects of COVID vaccines?
I don't because there are negative effects from the vaccine, but they're rare. Negative effects from COVID on the other hand are very common.
Ruling things out without even looking at the possibilities doesn't seem really scientific to me.
Like yourself, you didn't even bother to watch the video fully. If you did, you would have seen that they mention a possible link with COVID vaccines. You could even have read the comments while at it!
I have better things to do than watching random youtube videos. But so what if they "mention a possible link"? Random folks on youtube speculating that a bunch of cardiac incidents are due to the vaccine (rather than COVID, or just random chance) isn't really useful as evidence or even analysis.
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What kind of propaganda piece was that? Everyone with blurred faces? Are they worried about the vaccine mafia taking out hits?
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If this is a reaction to the FDA’s FOIA response rate of 500 pages/day to redact medical records, take your ball somewhere else.
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What's going on is that you have no sense for how much work is involved in redaction as opposed to review. Nothing to see here, please find some other molehill to bravely climb.
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Do you idiots think the FDA actually READ all of the medical records of all the participants? For what possible reason would they do that? They have them in case they needed them. This idiotic request actually requires someone to read and redact every single one.
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Just three shots ? Lame ... (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Hilarious! :D Mirror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com]
Here come booster requirements... (Score:2, Insightful)
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While I got my booster this week, I don’t expect the same level of priority for the booster at least until we come up to the 12-month threshold. At that point if it is still a priority then we have bigger problems.
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> What's going to end up happening is you won't be able to go to places without a booster
"Pfffft, vaccine passports were a conspiracy theory debunked in the fall of 2020."
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Nah, chances are boosters will be like the flu shot - you get them every year, don't you?
Heck, I'd bet by 2024 you can get a combined flu and covid shot be done with it.
And lots of people die from the flu, and it's spread pretty easily. The only reason more people aren't dying anymore is because modern medicine makes treating it possible. Given once you had the vaccine, COVID becomes just a nasty flu (to you) well, most places won't even bother to check because why? Catching COVID, unless you're an anti-vax
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Blah something blah... (Score:1)
I'm confused (Score:2)
"Moderna didn't submit its efficacy data for its booster, telling the panel it was still gathering the data."
and this:
CDC Panel Unanimously Endorses Pfizer and Moderna Covid Boosters For All US Adults
So either this report is flawed or the CDC voted to endorse a booster it does not have data on?
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You're not confused. If people really thinks the CDC panel are all independant scientists, they are very naive, they've all been paid by pharmaceutical companies.
I stopped trusting the CDC and NIH after they supported Fauci's lies.
Who the *bleep* modded this up (Score:2, Insightful)
As for heart issues in the vaccine
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They are orchestrated, I sense sock puppets with mod points and an agenda.
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"Hey man. Stop pretending while I am pretending."
Sock puppets...
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Oh lookie, now I got my own sock puppet. #62003509 vs #62003627
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Well here is how you can remember next time. I am the leftist actually living and pursuing a life in China because I am too tired of the stupidity of western states and I think a bit of totalitarianism can go a long way at dealing with people like you, from every aspect to voting, having a choice about getting a vaccine, and how you can make endless sock puppets and say all kinds of bullshit on the internet.
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I thought rsilvergun was a socket puppet account.
Is Taiwan and independent nation state?
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No idea why you don't have mod points, but it's not because you're old. I almost always have 15 mod points but don't use them very often. I lurk a lot but don't post a lot so maybe that ratio affects it. I haven't metamodded in years so I'm pretty sure that's not required.
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Thirteen deaths were enough to yank Sertindole off the market [wikipedia.org] - so we need to wait for one more and then you'll support yanking these therapeutics?
You Luckyos are comical
In a trial of 2000 patients on taking sertindole, 27 patients died unexpectedly, including 13 sudden deaths.
What's the equivalent number for the billions of covid doses administered so far...
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Do they really? All the time? Can you link to, say, 10 such deaths in 2018? If they happen "all the time", it ought to be a simple job...
No, VAERS lists almost nineteen thousand cases [medalerts.org]. You can claim, they are "not verified" [reuters.com] — well, they are as verified as all of the "COVID Deaths" cases, which were used to run the "live" counters on TV during Trump's last year.
O
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Both the vaccine and the virus bind to the ACE2 receptors and have the potential to cause clotting problems / heart damage. Only one of the two continues reproducing in your body after the initial appearance. The vaccine would likely reduce the risk of those complications by preventing a longer-lasting infection.
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Pedantic correction: The vaccine won't bind to the ACE-2 receptor. The spike protein the vaccine tricks your cells into making will, but, as you say, a vaccine results in less spike protein and for a shorter time than an active infection.
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Yeah - realized I typed it wrong as soon as I hit submit.
But if we're talking pedantic specifics, is the injection the vaccine or is it the instructions for making the vaccine?
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There are no reliable statistics to compare whether these numbers are normal or increased dramatically.
From your second link:
In fact, children are more at risk of myocarditis after multisystem inflammatory syndrome, a serious illness from COVID-19 infection.
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Why, you stupid sonofabitch. If you'd taken two minutes out of your busy trolling schedule to learn about heart disease in young athletes, you wouldn't have had to go and embarrass yourself. In fact, heart problems are the leading cause of death among young athletes, with one high school athlete dying every three days.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis... [mayoclinic.org]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov]
https://www.kansashealthsystem... [kansashealthsystem.com]
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Ok, so you'll have no problem coming up with 10 such reports in 2018... Heck, find me 5...
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https://www.thelancet.com/jour... [thelancet.com]
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Why, you stupid sonofabitch. If you'd taken two minutes out of your busy trolling schedule to study the opponent's evidence, you would've noticed, that the article I cited lists deaths not among children (5-14 as your articles study), but athletes in the prime of their lives:
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So, when you go to the doctor and he says you have come down with, I don't know, the Watusi Disease, and according to scientists and doctors who study this, you should (1) follow their advice or (2) whine incessantly about how you have no faith in science preferring to go out and spend the next 10 years studying, running trials, testing a magic elixir you have concocted, etc.
I labeled your choices (1) and (2) so you don't get confused.
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Steve Jobs chose option 2.
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If I recall correctly, it didn't work out well for him. He would probably make a different choice if he had a chance to do it again.
He quite clearly said that he would have made a different choice with the information he finally obtained when he noticed the alternate "treatment" did not work.
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Steve Jobs chose option 2.
Yeah and he died rich, what's that tell you: Vaccine skepticism is a profitable enterprise. How profitable? Well I can send you my magic cure for only $99.99. Tell your friends.
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Must be true. All the scientists who haven't been banned from youtube, facebook, twitter, and instagram agree. You're a good citizen for believing what TV tells you the science is. Your faith will be rewarded appropriately.
No actual scientists in relevant areas have been banned. A couple of people that mistakenly thought they were scientists or in relevant areas and then started to push things that were patently false because they actually were clueless have been banned.
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I'm sure a Youtube video is proper evidence and all, but I don't have time for that.
Correlation != causation. How many of those getting COVID-19 that are unvaccinated are even seeking diagnostic testing? They aren't showing a duty of care to their own health by getting vaccinated, so why would you expect them to get tested?
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This isn't a vaccine.
It's gene therapy.
Vaccines work.
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You don't understand the bare minimum about genetics. Gene therapy would, at the very least, involve modifying or containing DNA. mRNA just instructs your cells to build the vaccine rather than directly injecting it. Because human bodies are better at creating proteins than anything we've got.
The spike protein fragments are technically the actual vaccine. But it's just pedantic semantics.
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More people with the vaccine are getting Covid, than those without the vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0yUUf_jpI
This would be expected, since so many more people are vaccinated. Here in my Canadian province it is about 50/50. 50% of cases are in the 15% who are unvaccinated, and 50% of cases are in the 85% who are. That is about a 6x difference in risk for you obviously mathematically challenged people.
If everyone was vaccinated, 100% of the cases would be in that group. I bet that would make your head explode.
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"50% of cases are in the 15% who are unvaccinated, and 50% of cases are in the 15% who are unvaccinated"
Is that normal for a vaccine?
I would not know. I do know that those vaccinated persons who still get COVID are much less likely to die. The test results may be evenly split, but almost all the people in ICU are unvaccinated.
I don't think these vaccines are as effective as we had hoped, but they are still very good and we are lucky to have them so quickly or we would still be in perpetual lockdown almost two years in. Because the vaccinated can still spread COVID, the unvaccinated get no advantage from the rest of the vaccinated h
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That would imply that there are more vaccinated COVID hospitalizations than unvaccinated COVID hospitalizations
This is indeed true in some places with very high vaccine uptake. That would not be the USA. Also, a basic grasp of statistics helps.
Of course cases and hospitalizations are also not the same thing, as I'm sure you know. The vaccine is not so good at keeping you from ever getting sick, but it is very good at keeping you out of the hospital. Not sure what your definition of vaccine is, nor do I care, that works good enough for me.
Also, vaccinated people tend to care about others and get tested whe
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The new malaria vaccine is 30% effective after the 3rd shot. It is considered a game changer in preventing malaria.
Hmm, don't trust memory, this, https://www.gsk.com/en-gb/medi... [gsk.com] says 4 doses prevented 39% of cases over 4 years, there's other numbers too in the press release.
Vaccines aren't perfect but often do lead to herd immunity if most everyone is vaccinated. Sometimes like in the case of the flu, the virus is a moving target and getting 50% efficiency is considered good, with a dose needed every year
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Da na na na na na...Sock Puppet.
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The people in the hospital with COVID tracks with the general population of vaccination.
If your population is mostly vaccinated then the people in the hospital are mostly vaccinated.
https://www.beckershospitalrev... [beckershos...review.com]
https://peckford42.wordpress.c... [wordpress.com]
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If a vaccine is, for example, 80% effective at preventing infection and 90% of a given group are vaccinated (and these numbers are in the vague area of correct for mRNA vaccines against covid after 6 months and the group of "all adults" in many larger US cities), guess what? On average, (.2*.9) / (.2*.9 + 1*.10) =
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He might be right if the vaccination rate is really high. Once (if) it hits 100%, it'll only be the vaccinated getting Covid, and there is always a small proportion of people where the vaccine is ineffective.
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Side effects of the vaccine? There are a very small number of serious ones for a very small pop. On the other hand, the side effects of the virus numerous and serious for a very large pop. The biggest is 750,000 deaths due to the virus in the U.S. Then there is the death of critical thinking by people like you.
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Yeah, vote Republican so we can all settle our disputes with guns.
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Three sock puppets out of 5 posters. All you want to talk about is Trump and Republicans fixing this... literally the only hope that exists is if your all a Russian troll farm because if you have this much free time, are this totally oblivious, and can vote then the only way the republic can be fixed is a civil war. Holy shit, you're right. Republicans can fix this by starting a civil war. Wonder where I ever heard such a radical idea...
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Who is my? If you really want to dox yourself go ahead. Personally I effectively do because my alias is one of a few I use on the internet. I am even tempted to give you my address and phone number because there is virtually nothing you can do it me because I have put about as much distance as possible between me and people like you but to fall sort of that, I will give you my full name.
https://github.com/AaronCRobin... [github.com]
This is me. My name is Aaron and I am assured the only way America will grow the fuck up
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Yes, Democrats love having to wear masks indoors everywhere. It's especially fun when working out. You don't know happiness until you've tried to suck in deep breaths through an N95. We love not going to restaurants. We love not travelling. We love not hanging out except with existing close friends to limit transmission potential... No wait, that all sucks ass. But we do the
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As usual: "Why can't we solve this problem?!?!" bleat the exact people who are the reason the problem has resisted solution.
Oh fuck you. Plenty of us got the vax, locked down, and here we are 2 FUCKING YEARS INTO THIS, and you fucksticks WANT MORE LOCKDOWNS, MORE VAX, MORE RESTRICTIONS.
Fuck your face.
Your solution didn't work, I'm not giving you another 2 years of my life. FUCK YOU.
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How the heck did this get modded up. There was/is no liberal/conservative "solution" to this pandemic.
Point to where I specified Liberal/Conservative. I didn't and that was DELIBERATE. I have a problem with ANYONE who wants to keep extending the lock-downs. You're like the window-lickers who find racism everywhere...
The only difference right now between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats are getting vaccinated at a higher rate.
I don't disagree.
Many Democrats are also encouraging more social restrictions because, well the pandemic is still here because Republicans won't get vaccinated.
SOME, asshole. I'll even give you "A LOT". I'd guesstimate 50% for my circle. It's not a scientific poll, I don't know the margin of error, but that's what I'm seeing. HALF. Your phrase implies NONE. Well, you're wrong. I'm a hard-core conservative and I mostly associa
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There is a third possibility that you hadn't even counted upon. And that's that we could increase hospital capacity to deal with the extra sick while simultaneously allowing the creation of vaccinated-only spaces which require a vaccine passport. That's a solution which is being 100% held up by Re
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Your OP did not mention liberal/conservative or Republican/Democrat but you had written (and I read) your other follow-up comments before posting mine. One can't really read your various comments in isolation.
I realized that later myself, but if you're gonna use info from another post, that needs to be clear, because at the time (and I did go back and read my comment) it appeared you were inventing statements. I try to remember what I type everywhere, but that's not always possible. I don't have a photographic memory.
There is a third possibility that you hadn't even counted upon. And that's that we could increase hospital capacity to deal with the extra sick while simultaneously allowing the creation of vaccinated-only spaces which require a vaccine passport.
Then there's that. That's precisely where I had my "loss of faith" in the government regarding this whole pandemic. Like most people, I have a few friends that work in the health-care field. I inqu
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If you don't want lockdowns or masks to go on forever, you literally need to vote Republican (or whatever the equivalent is in your country).
I am a conservative and I vote conservative. Unfortunately my state (CA) is a hive of liberals.
I got my vaccination, I'm gonna get a booster, and then I'm done. Two weeks turned into 2 years and I'm not giving these liberal scum one more minute of my life.
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My guess is California will turn red eventually. But vote Republican whoever you can from now on. I did not and regret it.
You have more faith than I. CA has been blue for 48 years (legislative super majority). Those few Republican governors we had were RINOs at best, liars at wort.
I'm just waiting to leave. Few more years, sell my biz, and off to Arizona.