At Least 20 Americans Have Been Hospitalized for Ivermectin Overdoses This Year (msn.com) 335
Oregon Health & Science University reported Friday that in the 45 days before September 14, five Oregonians had to be hospitalized "because they consumed a potent antiparasitic drug despite there being no clinical data supporting its use for COVID-19...
"Two people were so severely ill that they had to be admitted to an intensive care unit." The Oregon Poison Center has managed 25 cases involving Oregonians intentionally misusing ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19 between Aug. 1 and Sept. 14... The Oregon Poison Center's recent cases involved a variety of symptoms, including mental confusion, balance issues, low blood pressure and seizure. The patients were in their 20s through their 80s, although most were older than 60. The cases were fairly evenly split between both men and women, and between people attempting to either prevent or treat COVID-19. Some cases involved individuals obtaining a prescription for either human or veterinary forms of the drug.
Both the Food and Drug Administration and Merck, which makes ivermectin for human use, have announced there is no scientific data that supports its use for COVID-19. Neither the FDA nor the National Institutes of Health have endorsed its use for COVID-19, and OHSU doesn't recommend any use of ivermectin for COVID-19.
They add that "The Oregon Poison Center strongly recommends the public only use scientifically proven and FDA-approved methods to combat the novel coronavirus."
But there's also been more hospitalizations from ivermectin overdoses in other states, reports the Arizona Republic. Banner Health, a 50,000-employee health non-profit managing 30 hospitals in six states (and staffing a local poison control hotline) reports that their "Poison and Drug Information Center" received at least 30 calls this year, including 10 in August, and "at least seven cases have resulted in hospitalization, health system officials said." "That is the bare minimum. We expect that there are probably more adverse effects," said Dr. Daniel Brooks, medical director for Banner Health's Poison and Drug Information Center. "We are very concerned that people are using this medication inappropriately because we don't know what dose they are using. We don't even know what product they are getting their hands on..." ivermectin has side effects in up to 10% of people who are treated with it, Brooks said. Side effects can include diarrhea, confusion, nausea, vomiting, balance problems and blurred vision...
"If they have side effects, then they could end up in the emergency department, further overwhelming the health system in Arizona and the rest of the United States and potentially getting COVID from sitting in a busy emergency department waiting room, or being admitted to the hospital because of ongoing nausea and vomiting."
And even in the same state, other organizations also reported more hospitalizations from ivermectin overdoses. "The University of Arizona's Arizona Poison and Drug Information Center, which has had 19 reports related to ivermectin so far this year, including eight who were hospitalized, center director Steve Dudley wrote in an email."
"Two people were so severely ill that they had to be admitted to an intensive care unit." The Oregon Poison Center has managed 25 cases involving Oregonians intentionally misusing ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19 between Aug. 1 and Sept. 14... The Oregon Poison Center's recent cases involved a variety of symptoms, including mental confusion, balance issues, low blood pressure and seizure. The patients were in their 20s through their 80s, although most were older than 60. The cases were fairly evenly split between both men and women, and between people attempting to either prevent or treat COVID-19. Some cases involved individuals obtaining a prescription for either human or veterinary forms of the drug.
Both the Food and Drug Administration and Merck, which makes ivermectin for human use, have announced there is no scientific data that supports its use for COVID-19. Neither the FDA nor the National Institutes of Health have endorsed its use for COVID-19, and OHSU doesn't recommend any use of ivermectin for COVID-19.
They add that "The Oregon Poison Center strongly recommends the public only use scientifically proven and FDA-approved methods to combat the novel coronavirus."
But there's also been more hospitalizations from ivermectin overdoses in other states, reports the Arizona Republic. Banner Health, a 50,000-employee health non-profit managing 30 hospitals in six states (and staffing a local poison control hotline) reports that their "Poison and Drug Information Center" received at least 30 calls this year, including 10 in August, and "at least seven cases have resulted in hospitalization, health system officials said." "That is the bare minimum. We expect that there are probably more adverse effects," said Dr. Daniel Brooks, medical director for Banner Health's Poison and Drug Information Center. "We are very concerned that people are using this medication inappropriately because we don't know what dose they are using. We don't even know what product they are getting their hands on..." ivermectin has side effects in up to 10% of people who are treated with it, Brooks said. Side effects can include diarrhea, confusion, nausea, vomiting, balance problems and blurred vision...
"If they have side effects, then they could end up in the emergency department, further overwhelming the health system in Arizona and the rest of the United States and potentially getting COVID from sitting in a busy emergency department waiting room, or being admitted to the hospital because of ongoing nausea and vomiting."
And even in the same state, other organizations also reported more hospitalizations from ivermectin overdoses. "The University of Arizona's Arizona Poison and Drug Information Center, which has had 19 reports related to ivermectin so far this year, including eight who were hospitalized, center director Steve Dudley wrote in an email."
What matters is.. (Score:2)
how many were cured of river blindness and horse parasites?
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how many were cured of river blindness and horse parasites?
Noting that Ivermectin is used to treat other parasites in humans as well ... (using human-sized doses, of course)
Ivermectin - A necessary prophylactic (Score:2)
for anyone who doesn't want to catch a horse STD.
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If only ivernectin had been available to Catherine the Great...
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Rumor. [wikipedia.org]
Hmmm... (Score:5, Funny)
The Oregon Poison Center's recent cases involved a variety of symptoms, including mental confusion
I think that may have been a preexisting condition...
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20?, my God an epeidimec (Score:2)
Natural selection in action (Score:2)
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You'd think if Merck knew they had a winner on their hands, they'd be promoting it. Yet, not. What do they know that they have been telling us. . .repeatedly. . .
A much better headline (Score:2)
And, yunno, don't let the obits downplay this. "Died in the hospital from a short illness" should be "took horse medicine for a serious disease".
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At least 20 Americans have been buried due to Ivermectin overdoses this year. And, yunno, don't let the obits downplay this. "Died in the hospital from a short illness" should be "took horse medicine for a serious disease".
No, more like "overdosed."
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Hospitals regularly have to devote resources to treating people doing stupid things and hurting themselves. I would be interested in the stats regarding alcohol-related disease, e.g. falling down and breaking bones and alcohol-related pneumonia, because I suspect that would be far higher than anything related to ivermectin overdose.
This is beyond stupid. (Score:2, Troll)
How to lie with half-truths (Score:2)
1. Start with primary sources that say something mundane.
2. Exaggerate, use logical fallacies, and make emotional appeals that are either unsupported by the primary sources, or outright contradict them (as long as whatever you write reinforces the Official Narrative, regardless of whether its pesky details are actually correct & accurate)
3. Allow other journalists to quote YOUR article, applying exaggerations and fallacies of their own (as long as they support the Official Narrative), until the whole th
Think of it as evolution in action (Score:2)
Because that's what it is.
What we have going is a (Score:2)
Moron Pandemic
Stupid People Gonna Stupid (Score:2)
I have nothing useful to add, and I highly doubt anyone here does, either.
Please stop the propaganda. (Score:5, Insightful)
Look, I think taking ivermectin is stupid.
I'm fully vaccinated because vaccines are important tools to stop disease.
I wore a mask through this whole thing because I care about my neighbors.
But this "hyuck look how stupid those bad guys are" needs to fucking stop.
20 people hospitalized for ivermectin is NOTHING in a country of 330 MILLION.
There were over 2000 deaths (!) from constipation.
951 deaths from 'contact with lawnmower'
more than 10k 'suffocation and strangulation in bed'.
20 per year, I wouldn't be surprised if there were more plunger related fatalities.
So just fucking stop being part of the problem.
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...951 deaths from 'contact with lawnmower'...
I shall take your word for it on the stats. The deaths from ivermectin overdose are not the problem, though. It is people refusing vaccination. If enough people refuse vaccination, then that will really bump up the stats for Covid-related hospitalisation and deaths.
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Please RTFS.
25 cases in just 6 weeks and Oregon's population is nowhere near 330 millions.
Re: Please stop the propaganda. (Score:5, Insightful)
You have decaf soy lattes and an unmatched and unearned sense of superiority..
They have more firearms than every army and police force in the world combined - it's not even close - and enough ammunition to kill everything in the world larger than a hamster.
Best hope Civil War 2.0 never arrives, because it will not go as you seem to think.
Christ on a popsicle stick (Score:4, Funny)
Holy cow, 20!
That's 10 posts blabbering echo chamber BS per hospitalized person!
Re:20? (Score:5, Insightful)
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What makes it a false equivalence? Do you just not care about the 200,000 Americans [statnews.com] hospitalized each year because of acetaminophen and NSAID misuse? Or the 3,200 or more [practicalp...gement.com] deaths from NSAIDs alone?
The numbers presented here imply that ivermectin is pretty phenomenally safe. It doesn't seem helpful for COVID-19, but the safety margin is enormous compared to lots of OTC medicines.
Re: 20? How about 70 dead per day? (Score:5, Insightful)
Where is your proof? Do you have a link to a reputable source? Some guys one-page blog isn't reputable
Re: 20? How about 70 dead per day? (Score:5, Informative)
Since you insist on using VAERS as proof, you might want to understand what it actually is. Though I assume you do know and just want to push misleading information on purpose. So I'll point it out. From the VAERS website (emphasis mine):
VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of possible health problems—also called “adverse events”—after vaccination. As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if needed.
Anyone can submit a report to VAERS — healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the general public. VAERS welcomes all reports, regardless of seriousness, and regardless of how likely the vaccine may have been to have caused the adverse event.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesaf... [cdc.gov]
Re: 20? How about 70 dead per day? (Score:5, Informative)
Re: 20? How about 70 dead per day? (Score:5, Insightful)
People still pushing other unproven medical or non medical treatments are just so far down the political rabbit hole, there's no help for them. My opinion is if you don't want to catch covid, get vaccinated. If you want to take the risk and not get vaccinated, so be it. But talking about taking other pharmaceuticals that don't work or encouraging other people to do it should just be ignored as a stupid person talking hot air.
I agree. Though going further, I would hope that those that choose not to get vaccinated (beyond medical reasons), would at least follow proper health guidelines and those from businesses they enter. Wear a mask in public and keep a safe distance from others, especially when requested by a business. Don't harass and beat up the business employees just because you have some false sense of some freedoms violation (and because its a mighty shitty thing to do in general).
Re: 20? How about 70 dead per day? (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem is that it does however mach the criteria used in the story to try to paint ivermectin as bad. I.e. it's apples to apples comparison.
Now this doesn't mean that vaccines are killing people in large numbers. It simply means that this n+1st attempt at trying to sell ivermectin as a poison that stupid people take because they were fed dangerous misinformation by those that writers of the story don't like... is just as bunk as all the previous ones. Like the one that talked about gunshot victims not being able to be treated in rural Oklahoma because ER was filled with people who overdosed on horse dewormer.
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Anyone can submit a report to VAERS — healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the general public.
I can certainly see that general pubic part being abused by anti-vaxxers and other nefarious groups. Hopefully they have appropriate controls in place
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The problem is that the data have been underreported by two orders of magnitude.
Sorry, science (and debate) doesn't work that way. If data has been underreported, you need more data to demonstrate that. Not just words.
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I died back in June after getting jab'd, but unfortunately, I haven't been able to report it. Why? Because I'm dead.
And it shows.
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Using Facebook or Twitter for references is an epic fail. If your tweet links to an actual medical journal, just post that instead. Thanks in advance.
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Re:20? How about 70 dead per day? (Score:5, Informative)
John Carlton is a Texas right wing nutjob. Come back when you have valid references to actual verified data.
Re:20? (Score:5, Insightful)
The point is that this is 20 people taking up hospital beds that weren't necessary at all.
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For example. Or some other actual medical emergencies. There's hardly ever been IC unit cases that could easier have been avoided.
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This is not "something bad" about Ivermectin. It is something bad about people that are too stupid to know that prescription drugs are not generally available because it needs an expert to determine when to use them and to decide dosage.
Re:Did you do that on purpose? (Score:5, Insightful)
The inherent evil of people using ivermectin is that they often think they don't have to do anything else. The pro-Ivermectin/HCQ crowd is also the anti-mask, anti-vaccine crowd. So the true cost of Ivermectin use is the unknowable: "caught covid and spread it for X days before developing symptoms. The 20+ people nationally who poisoned themselves are just the clearly observed tip of the iceberg.
HCQ and Ivermectin have the same proven clinical effect on covid as jade eggs, crystals, and sacrifices to Baal. If people were getting their medical advice from Goop, Slashdot would be uniformly mocking them. But a lot of people think of "real America" as the parts where nobody lives, and thus we have to pretend that the cult members have good reasons for eating a powerful drug for demonstratively not-good reasons.
Re:Did you do that on purpose? (Score:5, Funny)
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Ooh. Sign me up for two.
Re:Did you do that on purpose? (Score:5, Interesting)
The inherent evil of people using ivermectin is that they often think they don't have to do anything else.
If only that was the only problem with these ass-clowns.
My wife is a nurse. Her hospital has had to go on lockdown the past few days, because an acquaintance of someone who is currently hospitalized there with COVID-19 is mad that the doctor won't give the patient ivermectin. So this acquaintance, along with some cronies, has taken to harassing doctors and nurses in the hospital, as well as harassing them in the parking garage before and after their shifts. Security kicked them out of the hospital, but they keep trying to ghost in through the staff entrances behind actual staff.
So not only is this unvaccinated patient needlessly tying up a bed and staff time, now his imbecilic acquaintances are using up even more resources.
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HCQ and Ivermectin have the same proven clinical effect on covid as jade eggs, crystals, and sacrifices to Baal.
Don't forget Remdesivir which is approved for Covid in the US even though there is zero evidence of efficacy.
WHO is correctly recommending against Remdesivir for the reason there is no evidence to support the proposition it does jack diddly squat.
This leaves an obvious question why the double standard? Why do other drugs like Aduhelm get approved when there is also zero evidence to support that they positively affect health outcomes? Why should people trust that FDA et el is not hopelessly captured by in
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And guess what? Millions of people take "unproven" meds for respiratory infections EVERY DAY.
Yup. Just on one disease: Hypertonic saline for bronchiolitis with a lot of thick secretions, albuterol for bronchiolitis, steroids for the same... Hell, steroids for COVID-19: Pretty obvious when you look at the physiology. (Hint: It's a cold. It's a nasty cold. It spread quickly because it was novel. This is why it's called "novel." There was no immunity to it. This is like when the Europeans brought smallpox to the New World: The natives had no defense, so it spread like mad. I could do the equivalent
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". There's a plausible argument to be made that dosages of ivermectin that lie within the range generally agreed to be safe might throw metaphorical speed bumps at the virus"
I fail to see any proof of this. Spewing random hypotheses is pseudo-scientific bullshitese doesn't make you insightful.
There is no plaza argument for ivermectin (Score:3, Insightful)
There is a small chance that some of the compounds involved may be reformulated to someday have an effect but if that ever happens the resulting drug won't be ivermectin. It'll be something else entirely.
Meanwhile people are
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I'd argue that the Indian example perfectly shows why, when you're talking about a drug that's generally recognized as safe (even if "effective" is still open to debate), the "give it to a few million people and document the outcome" approach is perfectly valid. This was a stark example of two states (with tens of millions of residents apiece) in a large country with over a billion people that basically divided their residents into statewide 'control' and 'treatment' groups, and the results speak for themse
Re:There is no plaza argument for Fauci (Score:5, Interesting)
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Why do you hate Dr. Kenneth Brown so much?!?1 /wokeorwhatever
The gastroenterologist? What does he have to do with infectious diseases?
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This is part of the current trend towards disapproving of specialists because they tell you something you don't want to believe. So rather than taking their cues of Bert's Beanery and Ivermectin Cures-R-Us, they glom on to any techno-sounding guy who knows fuck all about the subject and then claim they have a valid reference.
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"Try reading and comprehending you freaking troll."
HE READ THE ARTICLE! GET HIM!
Re:Solution? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is ivermectin overdose any more common than other drugs?
Because some idiots are taking livestock strength formulations.
Should the max dosage be printed on the bottle in a larger font or something?
It usually is, for human medicines. In any event, no medication can cure stupid.
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And some medications actually render the "stupid" permanent.
Re: Solution? (Score:5, Funny)
Every medication will cure stupid if the dose is high enough
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Not only.
Depending on the species, certain medication can be much more potent than in others. I don't know that particular case, but there is a reason why LD50 for rats isn't exactly 100% applicable for humans in most circumstances.
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Re:Solution? (Score:5, Insightful)
f you're facing down death, what would you do?
Use a freely available option developed specifically to combat a virus which has been unequivocally shown to reduce both infections and deaths rather than something you read on Facebook?
Re:Solution? (Score:5, Insightful)
We don't "stigmatize the drug for off-label use". That's ridiculous. We are reasonably skeptical of off-label uses because they're not as well established or proven. Yes, we might have anecdotal evidence that a drug is effective in X disease, but we may not have high quality data that proves it, so we use it with caution.
In the case of ivermectin, the data is SO POOR suggesting it has value in COVID, especially when compared to HOW GOOD the data is for the vaccines, only a complete fool of a medical practitioner would actually use ivermectin off label. As an analogy, I am very confident that the use of copper wire in wiring my house is well tested and effective. Given that, I would be a complete lunatic to try and have my house wired with repurposed clothes hangers just because they're also metal and I saw a video on YouTube of some guy doing it successfully.
If people are taking livestock preparation it's because they, thankfully, haven't found health practitioners who are dumb enough to write them for human formulations and thankfully pharmacists don't just hand that stuff out to any idiot who asks for it. If you decide to remove your own gall bladder at home using a steak knife because a doctor and surgeon refused to do it after telling you it was unnecessary, that's not the fault of our "over regulated health system", that's you ignoring intelligent and educated advice and taking matters into your uneducated and impulsive hands.
Re:Solution? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't regurgitate stupid talking points that even you are not dumb enough to believe. We're angry you didn't take it because you're going to infect someone who 1) couldn't get vaccinated or 2) didn't get a good response to the vaccine or 3) got vaccinated but unfortunately no vaccine or therapy is 100% effective. So yes, just like you don't have a right to recklessly infect someone with an STI because of "your rights", you shouldn't have the right to recklessly infect someone with a disease that could kill them or cause lifelong side effects. But I'm wasting my time, because even you can't be this mind blowingly stupid.
Do I think COVID is going away? Gosh, I dunno, we did it with smallpox and polio, at least to the point where the latter is tremendously rare. But that would actually involve people like you participating instead of being selfish idiots who, for reasons confusing to the rest of us, actually like to pretend to be even dumber than you actually are.
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We're creating a Marek's disease scenario. Marek's disease is what you get when you have a mass vaccination campaign during an ongoing pandemic using a leaky vaccine (only reduces symptoms, doesn't stop transmission). This is basic evolutionary biology, the virus is always mutating as it replicates inside people's cells, eventually it is bound to originate a more virulent strain which usually goes away as it kills the host too fast to remain in the gene pool. If you introduce something that allows this str
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Except the majority of transmission and replication is still happening in unvaccinated folks. Yes, can a vaccinated individual get the disease and it replicates? Sure. But they likelihood that they'll get it is low, the likelihood that they'll have severe disease is low, and the likelihood that they'll transmit to their vaccinated friends is low because each of those people has a low likelihood of contracting as well. All of those are fewer replication opportunities compared to the virus replicating by the
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Do you think people who don't care what a medication is used for give a fuck about the recommended dosage?
actual MD prescriptions (Score:2)
With the Delta surge, another MD from another major hospital, increased the prophylaxis dose to twice a week.
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Well, then at least you won't die of Ivermectin overdose, provided you heed the recommended dose.
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There are dosages printed on the bottle. But you try to get a horse scale, it isn't easy y'know.
Re:They should inject bleach next! (Score:4, Interesting)
The more, the better. That will surely end their sickness!
You'll be happy to know hospitals in Alabama are seeing hospitalizations from covid declining [gadsdentimes.com] and beds are opening up for others. Why? Because of the high rate of deaths from the unvaccinated.
But much of the decrease is due to sustained high numbers of daily deaths, with hospitals across the state reporting up to "40, 50, 60 deaths a day," Harris said. As of Thursday, Alabama hospitals reported 546 suspected COVID-19 deaths in the previous 10 days, more than 50 deaths per day on average.
So good news. Those who have had to put off necessary operations and other medical procedures will soon be able to get the attention they need.
As a side note, more people died in Alabama in 2020 than were born [cnn.com]. The first time in its recorded history this has hapened.
Along the same lines, Mississippi, the state with the lowest vaccination rate, now has the highest per capita deaths. And for a state which claims to be "pro-life", stilbirths and deaths of pregnant women have doubled in the past year [cbsnews.com]. Then again, it's not hard to see why when their governor has this mindset [imgur.com].
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A German friend of mine coined the term "ausmendeln" for this. I don't know if there's a good translation for it, but the Germans here might appreciate it.
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COVID numbers are going down. At this point, most of the country has been either vaccinated, or gotten the disease. It's likely we've seen the peak and are on the downward side.
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COVID numbers are going down. At this point, most of the country has been either vaccinated, or gotten the disease. It's likely we've seen the peak and are on the downward side.
Yup, sure looks like cases numbers are going down [cdc.gov].
After experiencing a brief decline in COVID-19 cases, the United States is once again seeing an increase in cases in most of the country. This recent increase follows a previous summer surge that was fueled by the highly contagious Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and low vaccination coverage in many communities. COVID-19 vaccines offer strong protection against serious illness and death. High vaccination coverage is proven to reduce the spread of the virus. The less a virus spreads, the less opportunity there is for new variants to emerge. .
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The current 7-day moving average of daily new cases (146,182) increased 6.1% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (137,783). A total of 41,593,179 COVID-19 cases have been reported as of September 15, 2021.
You sure are right. Those numbers are clearly going down.
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Despite the recent small peak, the trend is still down since the end of August.
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Despite the recent small peak, the trend is still down since the end of August.
If you consider going from ~20K cases per day in June to ~120K cases per day a "small peak", sure, why not. Cases are going down.
Keep moving the goalposts. You'll get there someday.
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If you consider going from ~20K cases per day in June to ~120K cases per day a "small peak", sure, why not.
That's the post-vaccination peak, when everything opened up again allowing the un-vaccinated to contact each other. Unless we have a new virulent mutation (not delta), then coronavirus is at or near its peak.
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the Vaccine is proving a useless expense.
This is complete nonsense.
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Wow, 7,445 new cases. That's like a rounding error. Learn statistics.
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I'm reminded or George Carlin's rant on the pro-life crowd. "Pre-born, you're cool. Pre-school? You're fucked." It was all about how utterly absurd their beliefs are. They literally don't give a single fuck once you're born, but will fight tooth and nail anyone that wants to get an abortion for whatever spurious reason. It's not just a Texas thing. It's nationwide.
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People take coke now against Covid?
Sure, why not, at least they die dancing.
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Pretty funny considering even the manufacturer of ivermectin says it doesn't work on covid. https://www.merck.com/news/mer... [merck.com]
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Modded down for factually false conspiracy theory post against the narrative in 3, 2, 1....
FTFY. MediaBias FactCheck [mediabiasfactcheck.com]:
Questionable Reasoning: Pseudoscience, Conspiracy, Poor Sources, Lack of Transparency
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA (44/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Newspaper
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CREDIBILITY
An extreme right winger relying on a pseudoscience and conspiracy source to promote a thoroughly debunked narrative of a massive conspiracy to suppress a treatment touted by other extreme right wingers that has been proven ineffective in study after study after study except the study that was retracted for plagiarism and falsifying data (Elgazzar) and reviews that rely on it (Bryant, Neil)? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! Well, not that shocked.
Re: Meanwhile in India (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh bullshit. If there were some cheap and readily available drug that could treat covid it'd be like a guaranteed nobel prize for the person who can demonstrate it. Not to mention they'd go down in medical history, have their name in textbooks, all kinds of things.
Covid doesn't care if your skin is white, brown, black, or purple, it's an equal opportunity killer. Even worse is that every person who becomes infected with covid has a chance of creating the next new variant like the delta variant that is ripping through the world right now which has the potential to nullify all treatments and vaccines we've developed. The problem is that any benefit to Ivermectin against covid requires levels that are like hundreds of times beyond the maximum safe dose for humans, and it's not safe to take it for extended periods of time.
We get it. It's natural to be scared in situations like this. There's a deadly disease spreading that we've never seen before, so we're learning about it as we go. It's natural to want to try to channel that excess energy into something to make you feel like you're not completely helpless. However, spreading a bunch of bullshit claims doesn't help anyone, it actually can set back efforts to bring this pandemic to an end. What does help is listening to people who are actual experts in public health and then following their advice. That is how you end the pandemic as quickly as possible. Let the real experts, with degrees and experience, do their thing and get the fuck out of their way.
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"If there were some cheap and readily available drug that could treat covid it'd be like a guaranteed nobel prize for the person who can demonstrate it."
Um, it's called dexamethasone.
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It turns out Justus R. Hope, MD has some interesting views on the treatment of cancer too:
There is no way Justus could be a con artist, is there? [amazon.com]
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Justin Time should be here any minute now to settle this.
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Well, my cousin in Trinidad has a friend....
Re:All the dope on Ivermectine (Score:4, Informative)
First, being safe at the normal dose and up to 10x the normal dose doesn't imply safety at the massively higher doses people are taking for covid. Oxycodone is safe at 5mg. 50mg would be unpleasant but probably not lethal. 100mg would kill most people who weren't tolerant. That's how drugs work. Safety at low doses doesn't imply you can take limitless quantities free of issues. The initial petri dish study of ivermectin suggested it works at 150x the normal human dose. Thinking safety at normal doses implies safety at 50, 75, 100, 150x that dose is so fucking stupid I can't even imagine how people that think like that can figure out how to post on the internet.
To get to VAERS data, you had to click through 3 different warnings explaining why the conclusion you're drawing is complete and total bullshit. Maybe you should have read them. First, anyone can make submissions to it. I don't work in anything connected to healthcare and I have. Second, they explain to you that entries can't be considered as caused by the vaccine. Because in a given population, you expect a certain number of these adverse events whether you take the vaccine or not. It's not an invulnerability serum. VAERS is used to track incidents that must then be analyzed to see if they exceed the expected background rate. Without doing that, the data is entirely useless.
We've found the liar, it's you.
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Second, they explain to you that entries can't be considered as caused by the vaccine
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WHAT??? You mean the cause of death "Hit by a car" wasn't related to the vaccine? Come on, we all know that the extra magnetism caused by the vaccine caused the car to crash into him!
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And digging down in the details of your first link:
Supporting the findings of IVM efficacy in COVID-19 treatment as summarized above were indications of activity against SARS-CoV-2 in prevention studies. Three RCTs evaluated the prophylactic effect of IVM administered to cohorts of 100 [22], 117 [39] and 203 [40] subjects exposed to COVID-19 patients. These studies, all using IVM in doses of at least 150 g/kg per week, reported statistically significant reductions in COVID-19 incidences, with respective RRs
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I'm not sure where you are going with the 5000 deaths in 48 hours. Assuming roughly 200 million single does have been provided (I think this is a bit low), that works out to a mean life span of people in the 48 hours after getting a shot of about 200 years, so the reported death rate seems more than a factor of two below the natural death rate. In other words, more than twice that number of people die out of the same population in a 48 hour period, whether or not they get the vaccine.
Conclusion: the vac
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This is the stupidest reasoning I've ever seen. More people die from something else, therefore a drug must be harmless and we shouldn't do anything about idiots taking massive ODs of it? Maybe we shouldn't worry about airplane safety regulations, after all, so few people die in crashes, who cares if they ignore safety protocols and a few planes go down? Have you seen how many die from alcohol? Jfc. Haven't you ever had a brief moment of clarity where you question the incredibly stupid shit devotion to right wing propaganda makes you say?
Wow, you are easily triggered into all kinds of nonsense arguments.
Consider reading the book "Freakonomics" which covers well your inability to evaluate relative risk.
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The "experimental vaccine" technology has been under development since the Bush Jr. years.
Uh, just to bring you up to basic vaccine technology, no vaccine is 100 %, there are always breakthrough infections. I know this will come as surprise to you, but the world is a complicated place.
The percentage of side effects is very slight. On the other hand, the percentage of side effects of Covid are quite large.
And if you manage to get Covid, the insurance companies are no longer covering full hospitalization. Be
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Well it does, because they're using hospital resources at a time when they're in short supply.
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Forget the pandemic, forget about spreading covid - if CNN could stop spreading the fear of covid, at least half of the country would feel better.
Look folks, there's an asphalt lane in front of my house (my house!) where vehicles travel fast enough to kill an adult human being. I look both ways before crossing the street.
If you're worried about the pandemic, you can get vaccinated. If you can't get vaccinated, you can wear masks, practice good hygiene, or even just stay home!. If you're at serious r