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India's DNA COVID Vaccine is a World First -- More Are Coming (nature.com) 167

India has approved a new COVID vaccine that uses circular strands of DNA to prime the immune system against the virus SARS-CoV-2. Researchers have welcomed news of the first DNA vaccine for people to receive approval anywhere in the world, and say many other DNA vaccines may soon be hot on its heels. From a report: ZyCoV-D, which is administered into the skin without an injection, has been found to be 67% protective against symptomatic COVID-19 in clinical trials, and will likely start to be administered in India this month. Although the efficacy is not particularly high compared to that of many other COVID-19 vaccines, the fact that it is a DNA vaccine is significant, say researchers. It is proof of the principle that DNA vaccines work and can help in controlling the pandemic, says Peter Richmond, a paediatric immunologist at the University of Western Australia in Perth. "This is a really important step forward in the fight to defeat COVID-19 globally, because it demonstrates that we have another class of vaccines that we can use."

Close to a dozen DNA vaccines against COVID-19 are in clinical trials globally, and at least as many again are in earlier stages of development. DNA vaccines are also being developed for many other diseases. "If DNA vaccines prove to be successful, this is really the future of vaccinology" because they are easy to manufacture, says Shahid Jameel, a virologist at Ashoka University in Sonipat, India. The urgency of combating COVID-19 has fast-tracked the development of vaccines that use genetic technology, such as messenger RNA and DNA vaccines, says David Weiner, director of the Vaccine & Immunotherapy Center at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. RNA vaccines were quicker to show strong immune responses in clinical trials; they have now been delivered to hundreds of millions of people around the world. But DNA vaccines have a number of benefits, because they are easy to produce and the finished products are more stable than mRNA vaccines, which typically require storage at very low temperatures.

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  • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Friday September 03, 2021 @01:20PM (#61760157)
    A number of experimental techniques like RNA and DNA vaccines which were being developed for cancer were moving slowly as people werent sure about the side effects. Now we have had an emergency situation so the FDA allowed these to go ahead because of the cost benefit analysis. Now we have safety data from millions of doses and it seems these approaches are not as risky as thought earlier. Now that we know the approach works and is safe, we can go full speed ahead with cancer vaccines.
    • except the hero blows himself up but lives in the fake news version.

    • it seems these approaches are not as risky as thought earlier

      And yet, our society remains ever primed towards questioning the basic safety of novel approaches involving well-understood science, but ever-accepting of "alternative cures" involving very questionable substances with absolutely minimal scientific evidence of their effectiveness in such scenarios.

      I literally hope the alt-right conspiracies start promoting embalming fluid as their next alternative cure. At least that way, those people will be pre

    • Too late for some of us. Unless they can reverse the process.

      • by ghoul ( 157158 )
        The way cancer vaccines work is they take a sample from your tumor and create a RNA fragment which is tailormade to that particular tumor. Inject the rna and your body creates antibodies which attack that tumor and nothing else. It can be used for tumors in inoperable locations. In theory it can reverse Stage 4 tumors. Practice has been moving slowly as scientists have been worried about what else an RNA fragment will do in your body. But the millions of doses of RNA vaccines given without any major complic
  • We already have systems that look for DNA that is not in the nucleus of our cells and destroy it.

    There also isn't a system in our body that imports DNA into the nucleus of our cells. Viruses that do that (such as chicken pox) have to make their own protein to do it.

    • The fact that people are shouting it for RNA doesn't bode well for anything DNA based. Plus the "easy to manufacturer" isn't much of a selling point when a large number aren't even taking what's currently available.

      • The main benefit on the "easy to manufacture" front is this doesn't need cryogenic storage, since DNA is more stable. So, don't need to keep it as cold while you're making it or shipping it.

        It should help in all the places still clamoring for vaccines but can't get enough of them do the the difficult logistics of mRNA vaccines.

      • a large number aren't even taking what's currently available.

        This is a first-world problem.

        In developing countries, there are still dire shortages of vaccines, and many, many people are willing to take them.

        If we are going to beat this disease, we need worldwide herd immunity.

        DNA vaccines are a good solution for developing countries because they are cheap and easy to transport.

        • >"If we are going to beat this disease, we need worldwide herd immunity."

          Define "beat this disease."

          We will have worldwide herd immunity, regardless of what we do. What we do might speed it up, slow it down, or affect how many get sick or die in the process, however.

          • We will have worldwide herd immunity, regardless of what we do.

            That will only happen if the vaccination rate stays ahead of the mutation rate.

            • >"That will only happen if the vaccination rate stays ahead of the mutation rate."

              That is assuming that natural immunity has zero (or little) effectiveness against variants. And I don't believe that is true (I doubt you believe that either). If it were true, the human (and other species) would never have survived through the millennia.

    • by Entrope ( 68843 )

      Sure, a DNA vaccine might not change change your genes, but it will give you great 5G reception!

  • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Friday September 03, 2021 @01:34PM (#61760203)

    DNA vaccines have a number of benefits, because they are easy to produce and the finished products are more stable than mRNA vaccines

    ZyCoV-D contains circular strands of DNA known as plasmids, which encode the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, together with a promoter sequence for turning the gene on. Once the plasmids enter the nuclei of cells, they are converted into mRNA, which travels to the main body of the cell, the cytoplasm, and is translated into the spike protein itself. The body’s immune system then mounts a response against the protein, and produces tailored immune cells that can clear future infections. Plasmids typically degrade within weeks to months, but the immunity remains.

    It sounds like these are really just a cheaper and more stable way of packaging mRNA vaccines... but I'm no biologist.

    • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Friday September 03, 2021 @02:32PM (#61760419)

      It sounds like these are really just a cheaper and more stable way of packaging mRNA vaccines...

      You are correct except for the word "just".

      With 4 billion people still not vaccinated, a cheaper and more stable vaccine is profoundly important.

      • by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Friday September 03, 2021 @04:35PM (#61760773) Homepage Journal
        these DNA plasmid rings are WAY too small to be resonant to 5G frequencies, this will never work. You'd have to tailor them to resonant at some thousand-fold (or more) harmonic frequency. There's no way these can turn your aura indigo, unless you use a triple-strand MÃbius DNA loop. It's simple Teslamatics, any 5-year-old can figure this out! Hell, Gene Rodenberry knew all this Rife resonant frequency SCIENCE in the 60's when he invented the tricorder!
    • Well, they're an RNA precursor.

      If it produces an immune response, it's somewhere in the same chain of events. Of course. That's true all the vaccines.

    • Yours is the last comment on this page and the only insightful ontopic comment. I wish I had mod points.

  • by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh@@@gmail...com> on Friday September 03, 2021 @01:37PM (#61760225) Journal

    Could we spray this vaccine over the next anti-vax protest to make the world a safer and lulzier place?

    • Could we spray this vaccine over the next anti-vax protest to make the world a safer and lulzier place?

      Spray? How about a clandestine nebulizer, I want to silently shed and infect the antivaxxers with the invisible cloud in my wake, it’s muh freedumb to not have to be held to account for my actions.

      • Good idea, you could even protest alongside them with the nebulizer active, for the same right to spread biological agents everywhere you go! :D Just wear a mask for your own safety, and as a fun conversation-starter!

      • There was a Star Trek: NG episode about the effect of a super immune system upon others.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      We should repackage this into a personal spray container that we carry around to protect ourselves when confronted by someone shouting in our faces about masks and vaccines, sort of like pepper spray, but with better outcomes for society.
      • We should repackage this into a personal spray container that we carry around to protect ourselves when confronted by someone shouting in our faces about masks and vaccines, sort of like pepper spray, but with better outcomes for society.

        Pretty sure using pepper/bear spray provides a better outcome for society. Furthermore, if you dose these people with vaccine w/o their knowledge and they then don't ever get sick, it will just reinforce their belief that they don't need vaccines ...

      • by Dusanyu ( 675778 )
        Being honest with you I took the vaccine in February just to be able to ditch the mask as I will get the booster when its available but there is no way in hell I am ever putting one of those glasses fogging peaces of paper on my face ever again.
        • by ghoul ( 157158 )
          At this point we are wearing masks just to protect children under 12 and anti-vaxxers.

          Once Children 5-12 are vaccinated I am not going to wear masks to protect anti-vaxxers.

          I am vaccinated so if I become infected and an asymptomatic carrier the only people at risk are anti-vaxxers.

          I will not inconvenience myself to protect anti-vaxxers.
          • You're also doing it to protect a small percentage of the population who can't be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. But even if not for them, your plan still wouldn't work because the anti-vaxxers would overwhelm the healthcare system and cause collateral damage that way. Plus they'd eventually bring a new, more dangerous variant into the world.

            • by ghoul ( 157158 )
              Thats a bullshit argument. Immunocompromised people have been living in a society with hundreds of viruses and we didnt go around wearing masks to protect immunocompromised from the Chicken Pox or Polio. They will deal with it the same way they have dealt with other risks of infection. These are excuses to protect anti vaxxers from their stupidity.
          • by gtall ( 79522 )

            There are still breakthrough infections and yes, people have died from those. Don't wear a mask at your own risk. Or don't wear one because if you get a breakthrough infection, you'll be wanting to spread it to as many others as possible.

            Oh, there is now the mu-variant and we aren't sure how well vaccines work on it. Actually, there are also several other variants.

            • by ghoul ( 157158 )
              There are breakthrough infections with every virus and every vaccine. I am vaccinated against measles. There are breakthrough infections in measles as well. I dont recall wearing a mask for the last 40 years to avoid measles. At this point in Covid people are just habituated to wearing masks. Its like a comfort blanket. Scientifically speaking its not justified if you are vaccinated.
              • I am vaccinated against measles. There are breakthrough infections in measles as well. I dont recall wearing a mask for the last 40 years to avoid measles.

                Over a million people were clinically diagnosed with COVID in America in just the last week. [worldometers.info]
                How many times did Measles prevalence get that high after we had vaccinations?
                The answer is never, by the way. [historyofvaccines.org]

                At this point in Covid people are just habituated to wearing masks. Its like a comfort blanket. Scientifically speaking its not justified if you are vaccinated.

                At this point. There are still millions of infected people in America spreading COVID. When the prevalence is as low as Measles. Then you get to treat it like Measles.

                • by ghoul ( 157158 )
                  The solution is to mandate Covid vaccines like measles vaccines are mandated. Not to go around wearing masks.
                  • The solution in a sensible country yes.
                    When everyone has been vaccinated and the COVID prevalence is as low as Measles, sure.

                    Do you expect the people crying about having to wear a mask are going to be happy letting you inject things into them. They have too many FREEDUMBS to put up with that.

          • >"At this point we are wearing masks just to protect children under 12 and anti-vaxxers."

            We don't need to protect either. People who don't want to take the vaccine a free to spin the wheel, that is their choice. Children without severe underlying conditions are statistically not at risk regarding COVID-19, never have been. Those with such conditions have always been at risk for ANY type of infection; and pathogens are not going to disappear, ever.

            Plus, non-N/K95 masks do little to stop COVID-19 spread

    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Friday September 03, 2021 @02:10PM (#61760345)

      I'd just as soon spray them with actual covid since it's not a big deal and clearly a hoax.

      • I'd just as soon spray them with actual covid since it's not a big deal and clearly a hoax.

        And they prefer "natural immunity" anyways, so I say we give it to them all at once and get it over with in a few weeks. If they get really sick, we can put them in the sportsball stadium where they can all pray together. They will get the salvation their God wants them to have, guaranteed.

    • How about a drone strike?
      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        In Texas, you get to shoot the virus with guns, don't even need a license or training now. Guns are a cure for anything in Texas.

    • Could we spray this vaccine over the next anti-vax protest to make the world a safer and lulzier place?

      Why would we do that? Why would we want these people to stay alive? Let them kill themselves. It raises the IQ of the nation while simultaneously reducing the population which in turn opens up jobs for other people as well as putting more homes up for sale.

      It's a win, win, win, win situation all around if they gather in groups.

      • by ghoul ( 157158 )
        There are jobs which intelligent people would be bored out of their minds to do. We need a certain amount of dumb people.
        • There are jobs which intelligent people would be bored out of their minds to do. We need a certain amount of dumb people.

          Isn't that what robots are for? To do the menial, repetitive tasks? Having large portions of this group die off would only increase the urgency to develop highly advanced robotics and automation.

          • by ghoul ( 157158 )
            The problem with robots is they keep getting smarter every generation so eventually they will get smarter than all of us and all of us wil be obsolete. Stupid people reset to their level of stupidity with every generation.
    • It uses a spring based mechanism to generate a high pressure spray which penetrates the skin without a needle.

  • Yesterday I overheard a conversation between 2 individuals, one of whom said "I'm pregnant with a baby, and they want to inject me with a bunch of chemicals with who knows what in them!?" Putting aside the sheer stupidity of the comment, this may sidestep some of those people who don't like injections.

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      No, it won't sidestep anything. Those kind of people will simply gin up new excuses. Hell, they don't even need to think them up themselves, they can just watch Fox or listen to right wingnut talk radio.

      • >"it won't sidestep anything. Those kind of people will simply gin up new excuses."

        It won't help with some people, but it will with others. As someone who gets injections all the time (allergy), it is amazing to me how irrationally afraid some people are of injections.

    • by ghoul ( 157158 )
      Actually pregnancy and immunity have weird interactions. During pregnancy a woman's immune system has to ignore what is basically a parasite with foreign dna growing inside the womans body. Whether vaccines work for pregnant women needs separate studies other than those done for the general population.
  • They say there is no cure for stupid, and it seems Covid19 isn't it either, just because it's not lethal enough...

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