Recent US COVID-19 Deaths Have Been Largely Among the Unvaccinated, Says New Analysis 266
"With just over half of the U.S. population fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and two-thirds having received one dose, a clear and unambiguous trend has emerged," writes Slashdot reader quonset. "Not only have deaths plunged from approximately 3,400 per day in January to roughly 300 per day now, 98% to 99% of all COVID-19 deaths are now from people who aren't vaccinated." MarketWatch reports: An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that "breakthrough" infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That's about 0.1%. And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.
The preventable deaths will continue, experts predict, with unvaccinated pockets of the nation experiencing outbreaks in the fall and winter. Ali Mokdad, a professor of health metrics sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, said modeling suggests the nation will hit 1,000 deaths per day again next year. In Arkansas, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation, with only about 33% of the population fully protected, cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising. "It is sad to see someone go to the hospital or die when it can be prevented," Gov. Asa Hutchinson tweeted as he urged people to get their shots.
The preventable deaths will continue, experts predict, with unvaccinated pockets of the nation experiencing outbreaks in the fall and winter. Ali Mokdad, a professor of health metrics sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, said modeling suggests the nation will hit 1,000 deaths per day again next year. In Arkansas, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation, with only about 33% of the population fully protected, cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising. "It is sad to see someone go to the hospital or die when it can be prevented," Gov. Asa Hutchinson tweeted as he urged people to get their shots.
Yes but at least they died (Score:5, Funny)
free of tracking implants, and with zero risk of catching autism from vaccine adjuvants.
Darwin in action, is what that is.
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If you've ever seen the actual implants biohackers use, they're huge [youtube.com]. I've heard it described as the "size of a grain of rice"; even that would be too big to inject in a hypo needle, but actually the implants are about 2mm x 15mm. I'm an Asian guy, and I've never seen rice that big.
Re:Yes but at least they died (Score:5, Informative)
I'm well aware. I have several implants myself. I guarantee you there's no way to get implanted without knowing it: the smallest implants use >3mm diameter needles that take a good amount of pushing to pierce the skin, and the largest require a scalpel, stitches and a large dose of injectable lidocaine.
And then once you have an implant inside you - assuming you didn't notice the procedure, which is impossible - you can feel it, and quite often see it as well. You can see the scabbed over entry hole for quite some time too, and sometimes the internal bleeding.
And then, even assuming whoever implanted you did a really good job at hiding it and you really didn't notice, those things are passive components with a range in the region of an inch at best. It's not like someone can sneak up on you to read it, let alone track you from afar.
All this takes 5 minutes to look up, but that doesn't discourage the conspiracy theory cretins. But hey, it looks like COVID-19 is taking care of the reality check.
Re:Yes but at least they died (Score:4, Insightful)
But hey, it looks like COVID-19 is taking care of the reality check.
The problem is: Um, not really. Yes, some people who refused vaccination are dying, but they are still also creating a huge risk and Aiding and abetting future mutations of the virus -- the virus is still life-threatening to even some vaccinated people in its current form, And people who can't have the vaccine, And a life threatening thing to everyone including those who recovered from getting covid already, in mutated forms such as the Delta variant.
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That seriously looked painful.
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I'm an Asian guy, and I've never seen rice that big.
Yeah, in America, everything is bigger... the trucks are bigger, the houses are bigger, the people are bigger, even the grains of rice are bigger! We may not be the best any more, but we're certainly the biggest!
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It's a dumb case of "telephone game" where mouth to mouth distorts the message.
The origin of the whole "vaccine tracking" is Bill Gates suggesting (not even actually implementing) that people that got vaccinated should get a regular chip implant so the business can keep track etc..
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Nope. Stop spreading bullshit. You are just demonstrating your cluelessness.
Re:Yes but at least they died (Score:4, Informative)
It seems like he never suggested that [bbc.com].
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If what the anti-vaxxers suggest was possible, there would be a HUGE market of dog owners to sell to. Hundred dollars or pound for something that let's me detect in real time where my dog is, i'd pay that in a heartbeat. Especially when there are supposedly gangs of dognappers who steal any expensive dog
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It isn't what I'd call big. It's certainly injected with a bigger needle than I'd like jammed into me, that's for sure... But the actual implant is pretty tiny.
Since it is small, it also migrates.. which is a little creepy. So you can't just "scan the dog's neck", because that thing may have moved to his hip.
But ya, not very good for covertly tracking humans. But also not big.
You're right that they're
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Those are very low range (centimetres) because RFID needs to have a big antenna for even only half a meter range. And there is no way around that, environmental noise is the limit, not the chip.
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Ah yes, the utopia that can only be forged once those with a fear of needles are expunged from the land. True freedom from those with a phobia, at last!
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You forgot fully virile as well. After all, the vaccine makes you sterile - women aren't able to get pregnant, especially if you're a teenager, and men, well, it'll just wilt.
So those people can continue to breed. Oh wait...
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I have to spend lots of money each month in order to be allowed to carry a tracking device in my pocket. Many people pay more to have tracking devices installed in their homes and cars.
Its absurd to think Microsoft, Google and the like would provide a free tracking service .
Re:Yes but at least they died (Score:5, Informative)
Actually just normal death rate. Almost 3 million die yearly in the US. That number didn’t change in 2020 and it won’t change much in 2021 either.
Do you have a source? Mine [cdc.gov] says there's a 15% increase.
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Actually just normal death rate. Almost 3 million die yearly in the US. That number didn’t change in 2020 and it won’t change much in 2021 either.
Do you have a source? Mine [cdc.gov] says there's a 15% increase.
Furthermore, the excess deaths [cdc.gov] (irrespective of cause) in the US as a whole and in specific states according to the CDC coincides almost exactly with spikes in Covid-19 outbreaks.
Re:Yes but at least they died (Score:4, Insightful)
It would have taken much less effort to say "No, I don't have a source".
Also would have prevented you spouting a bunch of lies.
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Re: Yes but at least they died (Score:4, Insightful)
You're averaging the peaks and valleys. Valleys from "oh shit we have to lock down and take this seriously", then another peak "fuck covid, we're going to florda for the summah"
Look at the three waves here. If nothing was done that would have been one huge wave.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/... [cdc.gov]
Re:Yes but at least they died (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, that is true. And your very same CDC link says that in a normal year, the death rate is 0.715%, and in 2020 increased to 0.828%. It's a matter of perspective. Should we really shut down the entire nation because the death rate increases by 0.11%?
0.715% to 0.828% is an increase of 15.8%
That seems a bit high to me but them's the figures you quoted.
I'm vaccinated and it's probably true (Score:2)
I'm vaccinated and it's probably true - but it's also exactly the sort of thing they would come out with to try to get the unvaccinated to comply. At least that's what the unvaccinated are going to think.
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I'm fully vaccinated, and I figured out how to hack my biochip, so I can read your mind now.
Mwah hah hah hah hah!
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So really, I don't think we should concern ourselves with what people expect, when anything that is reality, and thus diametrically opposed to their beliefs, can be construed as reverse psychology employed against them.
Let Darwin take his fucking chunk of flesh, or force them to be vaccinated. I don't care whi
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I had it already the infection, GFY, if you try to demand I still have the vaccine, seriously.
Re:I'm vaccinated and it's probably true (Score:5, Informative)
It appears that the boosted vaccine antibodies are superior to the antibodies produced while your body is trying to survive the virus.
There have been studies that having had the disease, and having a single dose of vaccine is roughly equivalent however. Which pretty much makes sense.
5G (Score:2)
That's because they were not able to download the virus definition updates fast enough without the 5G injected directly into their veins.
in other news ... (Score:5, Funny)
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Wonder if there's still the trend of people crossing the borders to get a shot?
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... local resident finds that gravity is a thing after jumping off a bridge.
Actually when friends and I jumped off a bridge into the river below we were counting on gravity.
Better title ... (Score:2)
Recent US COVID-19 Deaths Have Been Largely Among the Unvaccinated, Says New Analysis
How about, "Less than 1% of COVID-19 deaths are among the vaccinated" because I'm pretty sure most *non-recent* COVID-19 deaths have also been largely among the unvaccinated. Sure, that's because they happened before vaccines were available, but the current title could be taken to imply more than it does. Just sayin'
Anti-vaxers Make Me Sick! (Score:2)
pun intended.
Hopefully they die quickly before they breed something that can make me sick. Naturally, the new mutation will be going around a month or more before we nail it down which makes me think I maybe should mask up just in case they are patient zero; although, the odds are quite low if you don't hang around those type of people.
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Yep. My 90 or 95% protection is wonderful and I've commissioned a t-shirt thanking Dr. KarikÃ, but that 5 or 10% (or more for a variant) looms large when I consider an infected person breathing around me.
For some reason, my circle of friends and acquaintances are all vaccinated but I wear a mask to the store.
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https://thefugitivesaint.tumbl... [tumblr.com]
Also:
https://i.redd.it/e67yqnvfkca5... [i.redd.it]
Anti-vaxers making you sick quite unlikely? (Score:2)
Yep. My 90 or 95% protection is wonderful and I've commissioned a t-shirt thanking Dr. KarikÃ, but that 5 or 10% (or more for a variant) looms large when I consider an infected person breathing around me.
Perhaps it should not loom large? My understanding is that vaccination does two things. (1) Greatly reduces the likelihood of infection. (2) Greatly reduces the likelihood of becoming seriously ill if infected.
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Perhaps it should not loom large? My understanding is that vaccination does two things. (1) Greatly reduces the likelihood of infection. (2) Greatly reduces the likelihood of becoming seriously ill if infected.
What, exactly, do you think "95% protection" means? It sounds an awful like reducing likelyhood.
GOOD. (Score:2)
It sucks that people are dying but the good news is that the vaccines are very effective. Those that chose to forego vaccination have chosen to needlessly put their lives on the line. They will be missed by their loved ones but I have a difficult time conjuring up sympathy for people who refuse to believe scientists who have been begging them to get vaccinated.
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Unfortunately, it's not just them at risk. The longer the virus widely circulates, the more it mutates. The more it mutates, the greater the chances it will gain a mutation that makes the vaccines ineffective.
Bubba showing fealty to Trump by refusing the vaccine could destroy all the work put in over the last year.
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Indeed. Also note that vaccines available this fast, this effective and with this low a risk of serious side-effects were in no way assured. The human race has gotten very lucky this time. And then there are morons that refuse this gift. Incredible.
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A libertarian would argue that's their right, except that they're putting other people's lives at risk.
I agree but I fear there is little that can be done at this point.
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Isn’t the libertarian mantra to be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t interfere with others?
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No. At least in America, the libertarian mantra is to do anything they want regardless of the harm it does to other people.
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It goes beyond that: Also the person that has to wait longer for heart surgery (with a higher risk of death or a poor outcome) because of high load on the medical system is affected. And all the lock-down and protection measures needed longer because the unvaccinated continue to spread the plague.
There really is no valid case to not get vaccinated unless you live in a cabin somewhere in the woods and have no contact to society.
And here comes the Delta strain (Score:3)
Many vulnerable not vaccinated (Score:2)
The only explanation I can think of: In the UK, vulnerable people got vaccinated first, and less vulnerable people much later (18 year olds are now invited). The 18 year olds have a much lower chance of dying. So while vaccinated people get much fewer infections, maybe only one percent, they are usually much more vulnerable, so they still make up 30% of the deaths. And the unvaccinated seem to b
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Well considering the population statistics of Florida the "older" is going to naturally get vaccinated.
A different vaccine in the UK? (Score:2)
I wonder if there's a different in the criteria being used?
Like a different vaccine?
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I think there are less complicated explanations. While the UK has large number of vaccinated people, the number of people who have received two doses is significantly less. This was a choice made by the UK government. They stretched the time between the first and second dose from three to twelve weeks. There is a very clear data that one dose is not nearly as protective as two doses, especially when the new variants are concerned.
UK is also using mostly the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, which has had reduced acti
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That's a month old, and the latest UK studies show AZ single dose to reduce mortality 75-80% with no data yet on two doses.
https://assets.publishing.serv... [service.gov.uk]
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The pdf contains citations you idiot.
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The pdf contains citations you idiot.
I was pointing you to the citations from the report. I even provided you with links to the original papers. If you bothered to check them, you would have found that these are two month old studies with data cut-offs even earlier. This is before the Delta variant had any appreciable spread in UK. I also provided you with a reference from the same group that is cited in the report that is much newer and looks specifically a the Delta variant. Not only that, but I also cited the abstract of the article where i
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The UK predominantly used Astrazeneca which has shown a lower effectiveness than the mRNA vaccines. So another factor is the type of vaccine used in each country.
The UK also has fewer fully vaccinated people per capita. So the "vaccinated" population in the UK may be a single shot vs the US which is almost entirely both shots.
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The good news is that your stats are still better than those using the Chinese vaccines. Theirs apparently do not work for 3 of the 4, and the 4th has low efficiency.
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What is the vaccination rate in UK?
Remember that if 100% of the population is vaccinated, then 100% of the deaths will be people who are vaccinated. So that kind of statistical anomaly might be coming into play.
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The question is whether it is better to have most of the population "half vaccinated" or half that number fully vaccinated. Here in Canada, we also decided it was better to "half vaccinate" everyone first and judging by the dropping numbers, it seems to have been a good decision. There's only so much vaccine coming into the country.
Another consideration is the 2nd shot is much more effective after 12-16 weeks compared to the original guidelines. This might be more true for AZ.
Here it is currently working ou
Who is paying for the healthcare? (Score:2, Funny)
Still looking for a reason to get the vaccine?
Patriotism? Get the shot and get back to work. Let's make american great again.
Deficit Hawk? Who is paying for all the unvaccinated people who are in the hospital with COVID-19?
Love the children? Get the vaccine and protect those who can't get the vaccine.
Military Booster? Get the vaccine for force readiness.
Stupidest statistic (Score:2)
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Their body, their choice (Score:2)
They died the way they lived: free from government mandates.
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They died the way they lived: free from government mandates.
They died the way they lived: ignorant and dangerous to everyone around them.
"I have an immune system" (Score:3, Informative)
Deputy Daniel "Duke" Trujillo, age 33, died May 28th leaving behind a wife and two kids. He had updated his Facebook Page on May 7th to say "I have an immune system". As a first responder, Deputy Trujillo had been eligible to to receive vaccinations for several months. He had turned down those opportunities.
One of many sources for more information- including for any anti-vaxxers who want to contribute to his wife and kids (who are pretty much without support now except his life insurance).
https://www.newsweek.com/sheri... [newsweek.com]
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The good news is I've heard repeatedly that he only had a .0000000001% chance of dying. And he won't be suffering from vaccination side effects like a sore arm, or cold chills.
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They pay out life insurance for COVID anti-vaxxers? That will not continue for long...
Thinning the herd (Score:3, Funny)
Anybody care to take a guess what spectacularly identifiable demographic has the lowest vaccination percentage? Let's just say that, with some exceptions for people who can't be vaccinated for health reasons, the average intelligence of the United States increases every time one of them croaks.
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agreed. I mourn not a single death from the american redhats.
as the kids today say, I'm all out of fucks to give.
let the red states lose people to 'the flu'. I support their right to die for stupid reasons.
the last year and a half has been an eye-opener for most of us americans. we saw a side of our country that shocked us. if there ever was a time that showed we are truly two countries, this was it.
again, I dont give a fuck anymore about idiots who let themselves die. they had enough time and chances
State vaccine rates fall along red, blue divide (Score:3, Informative)
The U.S. vaccine map looks a lot like a map of how states vote in presidential elections, with most blue states vaccinating at levels well above the national average and GOP states bringing up the rear.
The politics of COVID-19 have been partisan from almost the onset of the pandemic, and polls consistently show that Republicans, particularly men, are more hesitant than Democrats to get vaccinated.
The deep-blue state of Vermont has the highest share of its population with at least one vaccine dose, at 65 per
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Conservatives are actually more likely to have large families.
"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means"
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Is that true, or do vaccinated people now feel invincible?
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Not this one. I don't recommend generalizing from me, but I'm masking indoors with strangers until my region's case load drops further.
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I am invincible! ... So why do I keep wearing the mask? ... Because I know the difference between 90% and 100%. Math is hard!
You may know math, but apparently not science (Score:2)
I am invincible! ... So why do I keep wearing the mask? ... Because I know the difference between 90% and 100%. Math is hard!
You keep wearing it because you don't know science. Vaccination does two things. (1) Greatly reduces the likelihood of infection. (2) Greatly reduces the likelihood of becoming seriously ill if infected.
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It's almost like when people get the prawn suit in subnautica.
Re:No surprise (Score:5, Interesting)
these 10% are in the same position as someone unvaccinated.
That's not true. 10% are at risk of likely getting a mild cold. That was the true goal of the vaccines. Even if the vaccines had 0% efficacy at preventing infection, they would still be incredibly valuable if they had 100% effectiveness in preventing hospitalization.
It sucks to get sick. But if it just sucks in that it's inconvenient and you feel bad for a week that's completely different from you feel bad and then die.
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Mod parent up
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Yet there are fully vaccinated people who do get sick enough to be hospitalized. Now in the majority of the cases, I believe, these are people who may well have died without the vaccine so it is still a large improvement.
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Pretty much. As with most vaccines, protection is staggered. So this is really not a surprise. What you get is 1) protection against infection 2) if infected, a milder case. The numbers from the article suggest 1:800 dead for vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated. That is probably not quite the real rate, as vaccinated people should generally have more insight into what is going on and will generally not act in plague-spreading ways. But in addition, there will be almost no long-covid in vaccinated people and that
Vaccines do 2 things, reduce infection and illness (Score:2)
They shouldn't, because the best vaccines are only 90% effective - so 10% are still not very much protected at all. And these 10% are in the same position as someone unvaccinated.
My understanding is that vaccination does two things. (1) Greatly reduces the likelihood of infection. (2) Greatly reduces the likelihood of becoming seriously ill if infected.
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And (3) greatly reduce the likelihood of staying ill fore along time (long COVID). Vaccination is beneficial for everybody, even those with low immune response. Also, those with known reasons for a low immune response may benefit from a 3rd shot later on. This is currently being investigated.
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They are. They generally have bad education and low intelligence and no clue about what is actually going on. Hence they replace insight with denial and act in risky ways. That is one of the reasons why we do not have precise numbers on things.
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That's a very small number, aside from age eligibility. It wouldn't make a statistical difference.
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We're in the 8th deadliest. But it's still notable for how much silent spread is occurring, with some spreaders not even knowing they're sick from beginning to end of infection.
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Oh, sure. Some genius. He greenlit something he barely understood. And he still can't manage to convince any of his supporters to take it.
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I just took required training for my university. PPE is considered the LEAST effective part of any sort of protection plan.
The Risk Control strategy invoked, from most to least effective, is:
Elimination (Physical Distancing)
Substitution (not applicable to diseases)
Engineering Controls (Physical barriers)
Administrative Controls (Personal Hygene, Staggered Schedules)
PPE (Gloves and Masks)
According to this, Biden has no idea how this works.
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These days, it's just impossible to tell if you're gaslighting, or a fucking moron.
I find it easy to tell that he is both.
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So if you can get vaccinated, GO GET VACCINATED. You might save a life, even if it's not your own (and it very likely might be your own).
Re:Why are so many vaccinated people so scared? (Score:5, Informative)
First, some of us live with kids under 12, and are rather fond of them.
Second, we're aware that mutations happen, and the longer the virus widely circulates, the more likely it is to gain a mutation that renders all the vaccines ineffective.
So everyone refusing to get vaccinated to feed their stupidity is bringing us closer to a day when we throw away everything we went through over the last year.
Re:Why are so many vaccinated people so scared? (Score:5, Insightful)
Scared? No, we're pissed off at people who keep breeding the virus so we can never return to our normal lives. They don't have to do that, they get no benefit from it, it's just the doctrine of their death cult to cause as much suffering as possible. The pandemic could be over at least in the US, if the death cultists weren't insistent on prolonging it.
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At the lowest level for now. Take a look at the UK for a glimpse into the future.