California Offers Digital Record of Coronavirus Vaccination (apnews.com) 167
California on Friday started offering residents a digital record of their coronavirus vaccinations that they can use to access businesses or events that require proof they got the shots. From a report: The state's public health and technology departments said the new tool allows Californians access to their COVID-19 vaccination records from the state's immunization registry and includes the same information as the paper cards issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. To access the information, Californians will enter into a state website their name, date of birth and email or phone associated with their vaccine records and they will be asked to create a four-digit PIN. The record will include a QR code that users can save to their mobile phones. With nearly 20 million people fully vaccinated in California and proof of vaccination already required in some circumstances such as travel, state health officials felt there would be demand for the tool, though it remains optional, said Dr. Erica Pan, the state's epidemiologist.
New York has this; nobody uses it (Score:5, Informative)
Seems rather useless if no business will use it... of course, maybe California businesses will view it differently than NY ones do.
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when have we ever had to provide proof of health status before travelling?
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when have we ever had to provide proof of health status before traveling?
It's pretty common for (some) international travel ...
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when have we ever had to provide proof of health status before traveling?
It's pretty common for (some) international travel ...
No, it is not at all common in international travel. I have never been required to prove any vaccination when travelling to Europe, Middle East, or Asia over the last thirty years. I'm sure it happens, but it is not common, and the people on social media claiming this are generally in a position to know it. They are taking advantage of your ignorance and good faith to mislead. That should bother you.
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https://www.tripsavvy.com/coun... [tripsavvy.com]
That's just one example.
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What faction is that? And did you even read the link?
Foreign countries expect you to have certain vaccinations (such as yellow fever) before you visit. The State Department recommends you comply with such requirements. If you intend to visit such a country and there is a visa requirement, you may need to show proof of vaccination before they issue you a visa. But the actual requirement for the vaccination is set by the host country. Not the United States.
The Federal government need not issue any Covid-r
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when have we ever had to provide proof of health status before travelling?
It's a pretty good idea during a lethal pandemic, don't you think?
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Always, when the disease is endemic to a region.
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There are quite high failure rates with the vaccine.
Your entire post is predicated on lies.
Efficacy rates [yalemedicine.org]:
* Pfizer-BioNTech: 95% efficacy including against the alpha, beta variants and 88% efficacy against delta [theguardian.com] variants
* Moderna: 94.1% efficacy
* Johnson & Johnson: 72% overall efficacy and 86% efficacy against severe disease
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Seems rather useless if no business will use it... of course, maybe California businesses will view it differently than NY ones do.
Can't speak for California, but in Germany it rolled out one day, and everyone was using it and accepting it the day after acting like it had always just been the way things were done. Is Excelsior Pass complicated, or otherwise a burden that makes people instead want to fling around bits of paper?
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If you go to one of very few industries required to ask for proof legally (sports stadiums, concerts) of full vaccination or recent negative test, it's easier. Essentially no other business will ask, they'll put a sign at the door saying "vaccinated customers are no longer required to wear masks" and nobody asks for proof.
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So the problem then is that there's not enough use case for it rather than the passport app itself being a failure? Because that level of complexity is the same in Germany.
I honestly don't see this as any different to a digital credit card (Apple pay), or a digital drivers license. In all cases it's a substitute for something we carry with us anyway. But I guess the failure of the app in the USA is that it's not worth carrying said piece of paper in general?
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Seems rather useless if no business will use it... of course, maybe California businesses will view it differently than NY ones do.
Can't speak for California, but in Germany it rolled out one day, and everyone was using it and accepting it the day after acting like it had always just been the way things were done. Is Excelsior Pass complicated, or otherwise a burden that makes people instead want to fling around bits of paper?
Yeah, here in Denmark we’ve had our “Coronapas” system for a couple months too. An app shows a QR code, and if you’re vaccinated, have tested negative in the last 72 hours, or have recovered from COVID-19 in the last 6 months, I think, the QR code can be scanned by another phone running the same app, and their phone comes up with a green screen. If one of those conditions isn’t true (QR code is generated after comms with a central server, meaning time data and such is included
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"Papers please!" - yeah, Germany really isn't a great example of personal freedoms, are they?
Which country would you hold up as a shining example of freedom? The one interning its own citizens [history.com]? Or the one with the political police arresting lawyers [wikipedia.org]?
Yeah. All countries have some dark past but invoking them is really a sign that you lack any relevant argument.
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"Papers please!" - yeah, Germany really isn't a great example of personal freedoms, are they?
Not sure what you're talking about. What does having a digital passport vs having to show a vaccination record on paper have to do with personal freedoms? Please build your strawman in someone else's field and come back when you're ready to discuss the topic at hand.
Mismatched. (Score:2)
Mismatched over here. :(
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New York State has a system called the Excelsior Pass [ny.gov] which allows you to present a QR code with a digital signature (prevents tampering)
France has a similar QR code system that records your vaccination status. It is provided on paper when you get vaccinated and you can scan it in an app on your phone. You can then use either format whenever required, which would be when attending concerts, stadiums, or travelling abroad. Of course in all cases you can also provide a recent test (72h) proving you are not infected instead.
Just tired. Doesn't work. (Score:2)
Worthless.
Re: Just tired. Doesn't work. (Score:2)
Same. My name is frequently misspelled on data entry by gov types with an extra space or missing a capital letter, but every typical variant comes up with no record.
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When were you vaccinated? I know in the case of the similar thing in NY it won't let you get the digital pass until you are 'fully vaccinated' (2 weeks after second shot).
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Did you do it at a gov't run mass vaccination site, or via a private pharmacy or healthcare provider?
I got my shots at a pharmacy, and the system can't find me either. I think someone forgot to import the data correctly.
Re: Just tired. Doesn't work. (Score:2)
Yeah, because it's not about a Vax or a virus... It's about DNA and identification for the maoists. The covid hoax is just a means for quickly collecting the data.
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Sucks to be you.
It worked instantly for me.
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It should be pretty scary that this information is provided to ANYONE with so little input.
Why is government even making my medical information public?
It's not and it isn't.
They ask you to provide your name, birthdate, and phone number or email address you provided when you were vaccinated, as well as a PIN. The system checks their records and if the phone number/email you provided matches their records, they send you a text or email with a link. You open the link and your information is only showed if you provide the PIN you entered in the first step.
This means that they only send the information to a phone or email that you already provided during the v
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On a completely different topic, if people are committed to having universal background checks for all firearms purchases, the way to do that is to let everyone have access to the NICS background check in a similar manner
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To bad background checks wouldn't of really stopped many (any?) of these shootings. Everyone buying these is going through the legal channels, especially the bigger ones.
You want to stop murder with a firearm? Ban all guns then go house to house and get as many as you can find.
This will drop this issue of murder with a firearm down to nearly zero. Still occasionally see it creep up but super rare after that.
Won't ever happen though. The country will dissolve before it happens.
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The country will dissolve before it happens.
Well you were right about one thing. And if you don't count civil war as "murder with a firearm", your whole comment was right lol.
I tried this and... (Score:2)
...not surprisingly, it's useless.
It has zero records for me, even though I was vaccinated many weeks ago by Walgreens. I only use one phone number and email address for this kind of thing and it has neither. The procedure to verify your info that it should already have, renders it impractical. Since I was issued a card showing my vaccination, I might as just take a picture of that and carry it on my phone, rather than fart around with an apparently incompetent government service that maintains an incomplet
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I was also vaccinated at Walgreens, and it doesn't have my records either. I've now seen several mentions from people in the same exact situation.
I think someone forgot to import the data correctly, or input it into some system at all.
Not useful (Score:2)
I got vaccinated and immediately threw out my vax card.
I have no intention of giving any money businesses who require proof of vaccination.
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I got vaccinated and immediately threw out my vax card.
I have no intention of giving any money businesses who require proof of vaccination.
Don't worry. The delta variant will find its way to you soon enough. It doesn't care about your principles.
Re: Not useful (Score:2)
What are you smoking? If the vaccine doesn't work on a new dominant variant, there's even less reason to care if anyone's got one.
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Thank god some fucking sense. Since when did we decide medical privacy laws weren't important anymore.
If anyone asks me if I'm vaccinated, I ask them if they have HIV, or if they were raped as children. Your personal medical information is personal for a fucking reason.
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Thank you, sir. You did a good thing.
It should be none of their business. Everyone signed the form it was "voluntary" when they got their vaccine then forgot it all and started acting as if this were East Germany. I'm horrified by how fast they lose their principles with toy high stakes, not even real high stakes.
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enjoy florida, florida-man ...
(you know, the sooner the redhats self-reduce (so to speak) the better off the rest of us will be.)
OT: kind of sucks that 'redhat' no longer refers to linux, but redhat was never one of the better distros, anyway. perhaps the term is actually more fitting than I had thought.
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If we're still in a state of pandemic emergency with 359 people dying of covid-19 yesterday, wouldn't 315 people dying on average every day of bullets to the body also be considered somewhat of an emergency?
Where do you get those numbers? [washingtonpost.com] Sorry if you can't get to it due to paywall. WaPo gives you a few clicks a week or month then complains. Short version: 2020 had 19,380 gun related deaths not including suicides, which comes out to about 53 per day. That's about 4,000 higher than 2019, by the way.
If you include suicides I think the numbers are typically two to three times as high, but that's still half of the figure you're quoting.
How about cancer, which kills approximately 1,600 people daily? [webmd.com]
Simpler Idea? (Score:2)
Just add this to the passport some way, that way other countries can control whether or not they want to allow you in based on your vaccination status. Just invalidate all current passports and require everyone to get a new one free of charge, using your current passport as prof of you being you and keeping the original expiration date. Those that don't comply, well too fucking bad, you don't have a right to enter other countries on your terms.
That, and/or do this somehow on a national level. I got an em
Has anyone noticed Louisiana has this? (Score:4, Informative)
It couldn't find my record, not a good start (Score:2)
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And then, once the system is in full swing, and every business in Calif requires it, ransomware hackers take it over, and the whole Calif economy grinds to a halt.
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yeah? what are they going to ransom?
they might have my phone # and email and dob. no financial info, no location info, no age info, nothing else other than the 3 things I listed above.
while its not zero info, its still not enough to have anything on me that they can use to extort.
but anyway, comrade, thanks for the postski. enjoy your borscht.
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no-one wants to be reminded about Covid.
It's funny that in a world where lots of people seem to be concerned about getting triggered, no-one seems to think how triggering just mentioning Covid or even getting vaccinated might be for a LOT of people.
Imagine if you were one of these guys [yahoo.com].
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I hope I get asked for ID...
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People keep trying to push having some kind of vaccination card you present as as thing. It's not going to happen. Why? Because no-one wants to be reminded about Covid.
That's not the reason. The reason is "tHEy're VIOLaTinG my PrIVACY anD mUh frEEDoMs!"
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Reality Bites.
For those having difficulty facing reality, I hope they find help to get past it. PTSD is really hard.
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It's not going to happen. Why? Because no-one wants to be reminded about Covid.
And you think a requirement to carry around a piece of paper instead of a digital pass makes people not be reminded about COVID? COVID is a thing that exists, and it is going to keep existing until it stops being a problem. Fearing vaccination passports because you're reminded of an ongoing pandemic is just the most absurd logic I've heard.
no-one seems to think how triggering just mentioning Covid or even getting vaccinated might be for a LOT of people.
Please show me these people who get triggered about the idea of vaccination? I would sincerely like to punch them in the face so they have something to cry about. Then I'
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I'm not a fan. But it's not about being reminded of this last year that was stolen from us. It's about my future health and safety, and that of my friends and peers. Medical privacy isn't a concept someone made up at random just to be ornery. It came about for very good reasons. And the problem with "emergency measures" is that the emergency tends to not end, making those measures permanent. For example, it's been nearly two decades now since 9/11; but patriot act provisions are still in effect; DHS a
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To be fair, that could very much be because vaccines are a relatively new thing, and weren't something commonly available the last time there was a widespread pandemic. The H1N1 vaccine itself was only developed since the turn of the century, despite the last pandemic of it being over a hundred years ago.
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H1N1 is a broad range of influenza virus strains that have been around a long time. It was the cause of the 1918 flue pandemic. Most big outbreaks of flu since then are due to variants combining with it. The 2009 swine flu was four different variants; two endemic in pigs, one in birds, and the human variant.
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That is what is alleged, but it's unlikely that any proof will ever come out.
It may just as easily be the result of some bat shit getting on a human being who didn't properly sanitize before touching his face.
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It may just as easily be the result of some bat shit getting on a human being who didn't properly sanitize before touching his face.
Nah. That's just too bat shit crazy to be believable ;-)
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They are a flop because people want life to return to normal. Normal means they have the freedom to enter most any store/restaurant anonymously and without having to present anything. Having to present documentation for entry is not normal.
So when is the freedom country going to align with the rest of the world and stop requiring people to show proof of id just to get into a bar?
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Personally, I'm wondering if it's a HIPPA violation for people to request this information for entry to a public forum like a stadium. Has anyone challenged these vaccine passports in court yet?
It's not a violation for *you* to provide your own medical information. Also, just because something is a "public forum" doesn't mean you automatically have unrestricted access. As with things like "no shoes, no shirt, no service" you don't have to attend if you don't want to abide by the rules of the venue.
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But it is a violation for others collecting it to disclose. If you have a vaccinated only venue, than maybe someone could under hippa come after you for disclosing they were present.. Could be a neat problem for schools and such
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No, it is not a violation for others to disclose. HIPAA only applies to health care providers, insurers, etc. Anyone else you provide your health information to is under no HIPAA requirement to protect it.
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Show us the section of the law that says 'employers, research' etc are covered by HIPAA. You can't, because it does not exist.
Here is who is covered: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-... [hhs.gov]
Not one word about 'employers' (except for the employers health plan) or 'people who collect health information'.
And note that it specifically says this: If an entity does not meet the definition of a covered entity or business associate, it does not have to comply with the HIPAA Rules. See definitions of “business assoc
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First, it is HIPAA. And asking for your status is NOT a violation. HIPAA only applies to health care providers and insurers, and it only prevents them from releasing your information without permission from you.
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Personally, I'm wondering if it's a HIPPA violation for people to request this information for entry to a public forum like a stadium. Has anyone challenged these vaccine passports in court yet?
That's not how HIPAA works. HIPAA applies to health-related entities (e.g. health insurers, providers, etc.), and limits such entities from sharing one's health information without authorization. Employers and public fora like a stadium are not covered by HIPAA and so they can request proof of vaccination from the employee (the employee can share their information as they see fit, as they're not restricted by HIPAA), as well as requesting it from their healthcare provider (but the healthcare provider would
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HIPAA and it was asked here last week with a similar topic. No, HIPAA does not apply in this case.
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Requiring certain vaccinations in order to travel to another country is not something remotely new.
that's for *your* protection, where the dis-ease is rife in that particular country, and you'd be likely to catch it, but have no immunity because you simply didn't grow up there. this is about you potentially *bringing* that dis-ease to another area / country. terminating people's right to decide - and travel - because they might make a decision that, on balance, they'd rather get the dis-ease itself than risk "death by vaccine" - is a completely different ballgame from the current requirements where cou
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because they might make a decision that, on balance, they'd rather get the dis-ease itself than risk "death by vaccine"
I'm okay with this. There's enough stupid people here, we shouldn't be importing morons on top of it.
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It's not at all stupid to avoid the danger of the vaccine if you've already recovered from the real disease. According to the best current research, [sciencemag.org] it's smart to avoid the vaccine if you're recovered. Especially to young people, the risk of adverse reactions is higher for recovered people, and no risk at all is warranted since the immunity, including to variants, is as good or better, and lasts as long or longer, according to current evidence.
Ad26/Ad5 vaccines like J&J and Oxford can develop immunity
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Requiring certain vaccinations in order to travel to another country is not something remotely new.
that's for *your* protection, where the dis-ease is rife in that particular country, and you'd be likely to catch it, but have no immunity because you simply didn't grow up there. this is about you potentially *bringing* that dis-ease to another area / country. terminating people's right to decide - and travel - because they might make a decision that, on balance, they'd rather get the dis-ease itself than risk "death by vaccine" - is a completely different ballgame from the current requirements where countries currently assume that *you* are healthy and might catch a dis-ease from someone in *their* country.
Well, you don’t have an inherent right to visit my country. So you’re welcome to not get a vaccine passport, but then stay home.
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To play the victim card you need to actually be a victim.
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Found Hermann Goring
Re:I printed my own card (Score:4, Funny)
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I am sure it work out fine for him. Because like me he probably does not go places he isnt wanted.
I have respected mask requirements thru this whole pandemic. My response has always been "fine than I am won't shop in your establishment, this time and probable not when this is all over either"
I have had zero problem finding places than did not demand I comply with this bullshit. Plenty of people are smart enough to understand everyones dollar is green.
Those that are not can go fuck themselves.
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Re:I printed my own card (Score:4, Interesting)
I am sure it work out fine for him. Because like me he probably does not go places he isnt wanted.
I have respected mask requirements thru this whole pandemic. My response has always been "fine than I am won't shop in your establishment, this time and probable not when this is all over either"
I have had zero problem finding places than did not demand I comply with this bullshit. Plenty of people are smart enough to understand everyones dollar is green.
Those that are not can go fuck themselves.
This is the most manly version of running off to your safe space I've ever seen.
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I am sure it work out fine for him. Because like me he probably does not go places he isnt wanted.
I have respected mask requirements thru this whole pandemic. My response has always been "fine than I am won't shop in your establishment, this time and probable not when this is all over either"
I have had zero problem finding places than did not demand I comply with this bullshit. Plenty of people are smart enough to understand everyones dollar is green.
Those that are not can go fuck themselves.
Don't worry. The delta variant will find its way to you soon enough. It doesn't care about your principles.
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I don't think getting a shot in the arm with a needle so that I don't inadvertently spread a disease is particularly demeaning to my dignity
I'm sure that you are very happy living in your bubble of reality where you have no interest in learning anything about the world around you beyond your own immediate sphere.
Many others, however, take a broader worldview.
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This podcast [youtu.be] is filled with his type in the comments.
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Invalid, or simply containing information that most QR code readers cannot read?
My understanding [spec.smarthealth.cards] is that it contains binary, digitally-signed information that can prove to certain compliant QR code readers that the information is authentic and unmodified. Such scanners would presumably be used at public fora like stadiums, airports, etc.
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Idiot doesn't know how something works, claims others are incompetent. Film at 11
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If you're vaccinated, why would you need verification of someone's vaccination status?
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Vaccinated people have a really low risk of getting sick themselves, but they can still be carriers. Plenty of vaccinated people live with unvaccinated people, such as children or people with compromised immune systems.
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That doesn't really address my question though, does it? Also if vaccinated people can still be carriers, how could you knowing who is vaccinated and who is not help you against the virus? For those who are immunocompromised, it would appear that they aren't safe around anyone at all, by your reasoning.
Children are the safest segment of our population against the disease, even in the absence of vaccinated individuals.
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The death rate from Covid exposure is already ~1% in aggregate across an unvaccinated population with no prior exposures and no useful prophylaxis (Vitamin D, zinc, ivermectin, etc.). The death rate plummets among those who have been vaccinated. Not very many fully vaccinated people are dying from the virus, or even showing symptoms.
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The thing is, it does matter. The more people that incubate the virus the more likely it is to mutate into a vaccine resistant variant. Then we have to do the vaccination programme all over again for COVID-21 or COVID-22.
Also, COVID-19 vaccines provide 80-95% reduction of the likelihood of hospitalisation or death. That means 5-20% of the vaccinated population will still be susceptible.
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(The reason is pretty obvious to me. Repu
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Trump only got ~20% of the Black male vote and ~10% of the Black female vote. It's a trend in the favor of Republicans versus past Presidential elections, but still.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/n... [nbcnews.com]
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Duh. I told you it was a trend favoring Republicans.
80-90% support for Democrats is still a majority, though. It's a safe bet that a random African American picked out from a crowd is a Biden supporter.
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Why would you assume that? Because they're afraid of being called traitors and 'uncle toms' by supposed anti-racists?
No. This is actually pretty well known, and applies far beyond vaccines. Black people, in general, don't trust western medicine. I don't recall the numbers, but something like 47% of them are "vaccine hesitant", regardless of political affiliation.
This isn't the only case where that distrust hurts them; We see something similar with organ transplants. Black people, by and large, mostly refuse to donate their organs when they die, for the same reasons of distrust. In order to make things "fair" for recipient
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The natives here in Canada are also mis-trusting of medicine, for many of the same reasons, from being experimented on medically, quite common in the reeducation camps, I mean residential schools to the racism they experience in the medical system. The racism is real, recently a native woman on her deathbed recorded the nurses taunting her, https://montrealgazette.com/ne... [montrealgazette.com]
Things like this go further back, in the 1880's during a smallpox epidemic, the French in Montreal wouldn't get vaccinated for many of t