Half of All US Adults Are Now Fully Vaccinated Against COVID-19 (npr.org) 328
According to the Biden administration, half of the country's adults are now fully vaccinated against the coronavirus. NPR reports: "This is a major milestone in our country's vaccination efforts," Andy Slavitt, a White House senior adviser on the COVID-19 response, said during a midday briefing. "The number was 1% when we entered office Jan. 20." Nearly 130 million people age 18 and older have completed their vaccine regimens since the first doses were administered to the public in December, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. Another 70 million vaccine doses are currently in the distribution pipeline, according to the agency.
The U.S. is pushing to add millions more people to the ranks of the vaccinated. President Biden said this month that his new goal is to administer at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine to 70% of U.S. adults by the Fourth of July. Nine states have given at least one vaccine shot to 70% of their adult population, Slavitt said at Tuesday's briefing. Acknowledging the welcome return to a more normal life taking place around the country, he urged more people to get the vaccine: "Unless you're vaccinated, you're at risk."
The U.S. is pushing to add millions more people to the ranks of the vaccinated. President Biden said this month that his new goal is to administer at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine to 70% of U.S. adults by the Fourth of July. Nine states have given at least one vaccine shot to 70% of their adult population, Slavitt said at Tuesday's briefing. Acknowledging the welcome return to a more normal life taking place around the country, he urged more people to get the vaccine: "Unless you're vaccinated, you're at risk."
It's an amazing achievement (Score:3, Interesting)
I do hope we keep the trend going and try to keep up on our vaccine funding. Lot of folks did amazing work, and it was a global effort.
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The work done with mRNA for these vaccines will allow a lot of near-term breakthroughs for a wide variety of things.
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Actually, most of the work on mRNA was done long before anyone had heard of COVID - they've been working on it for a decade or two, with a particular eye on treating cancer and other diseases that traditional medicine is decidedly ineffective against.
What the COVID vaccines did was give the potential of mRNA medicine a phenomenal chance to shine in the public eye, and get fast-tracked through approval processes that might well have otherwise taken decades more.
Re:It's an amazing achievement (Score:4, Insightful)
Having multiple vaccines with amazing levels of efficacy with very new tech is flat out amazing.
The idea of Warpspeed was to fund everyone who might be able to develop a vaccine and hope that at least one of them succeeds. As it turned out, a couple failed but several succeeded. Money well spent.
That's how Trump ran his businesses too, some failed and went into bankruptcy, but enough succeeded to make him billions.
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That's how Trump ran his businesses too, some failed and went into bankruptcy, but enough succeeded to make him billions.
Sort of - anytime he tried a business outside of real estate or selling his name it pretty much failed. Trump isn't some genius businessman for investing in vaccine technology during a pandemic
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I thought it was a couple of immigrant scientists from Turkey to Germany that discovered the vaccine.
[John]
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Donâ(TM)t you think China should have funded the entire thing, given it was their fault to begin with (whether it was illegal wet markets or gain of function lab leaks)?
The US funded the lab research, so it makes sense that the US fund the vaccine research.
Re: It's an amazing achievement (Score:5, Insightful)
You can't conjure a technology like this out of thin air just because you need it right away. It takes years and years. We got lucky; if COVID-19 came out in 2009 instead of 2019 we'd have been screwed. Just take a look at this paper from 2018 [nature.com]:
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In January 2020, Biontech and Moderna had been working on mRNA technology for years and the technology was just on the cusp of being ready for prime time. Moderna had its vaccine design ready literally hours after the virus's genome was published. There's no trial and error with this kind of vaccine, it's less like an immunological shotgun blast and more like a molecular sniper's bullet. Oxford and J&J's vaccine are both transgenic adenoviruses, another precisely engineered molecular biology attack.
The Trump administration deserves credit for expediting the approval of the clinical trials and issue an EUA immediately after the Phase III trials. Those things were blindingly obvious things to do, but you still have to give them credit because you can't take obviously right things for granted. But contrary to Trump's claims, he was not responsible for the quick development of the vaccines. The was the culmination of nearly thirty years of hard work. Katalin Kariko developed the idea back in 1990 and spent decades as a lowly adjunct professor pursuing it. If she does not win the Nobel Prize in medicine in 2021 the prize will be meaningless.
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Yes. Let me amplify.
Perspective department: Dr. Kariko's first grant request for mRNA work was, as hey! said, in 1990.
Anyone remember what else happened in 1990?
mRNA development is as old as the World Wide Web.
Really, wow (Score:2)
For the sheer amount of solidified brilliance, the mRNA vaccine development may even be ahead of the Apollo program. The more I learn about it the more awe I feel.
It's also worth thinking about how extraordinary it is to get half of a large country vaccinated in six months.
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This is why I'm really excited about the future of mRNA vaccines. We can design a mRNA sequence quickly and easily. You co
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The Salk Institute did some in vitro demonstrations a few years earlier, but Kariko really tackled the problem of delivering the vaccine in vivo. Moderna was founded in 2010 specifically to exploit her research research results. Biontech is a German company founded around the same time, around the research of Turkish researchers who were working on the idea of targeting cancer.
So it absolutely was an international effort, but there's no question Kariko was critical in making it happen.
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Oxford/AZ was in large part funded by US Operation Warp Speed. Just like German BioNTech vaccine.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/o... [cbsnews.com]
(Before you grab onto the straw of "production", doublecheck the timeline vs time of the article being posted).
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The research by BioNTech was funded by BioNTech alone.
The only later funding was in joint ventures for quick massive production of the actual vaccine.
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I am pretty sure 2.6B is bs, got reputable citations? But just for the sake of the argument, say it was true. How would US be harming the rest of the world simply by keeping to its own business? How much help did US get from China, that caused the whole problem, when we had one of the worst pandemic waves in the world? How much have you personally donated to fight the pandemic in India?
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How much help did US get from China, that caused the whole problem, when we had one of the worst pandemic waves in the world?
While it's true China is at fault for this, only one person can be held accountable for the abysmal response in the U.S. during the first year or so.
Focus on deaths now (Score:2)
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Vaccinations are critical, and we need to be at 80% of the population over 12 by August, so we can start school. But we also need to help states where people are still dying. The US is down to about 1 death per hundred thousand per week. Texas and California is below that, the later half the rate. But states like Colorado, and especially Florida, are above. I have seen no analysis of why the discrepancy exists or what can be done to help the states that canâ(TM)t cope.
Simple explanation: Florida and Colorado are where stupid people go to die.
Re:Focus on deaths now (Score:5, Insightful)
Simple minded explanation maybe.
Florida has an old population on average. You would expect them to see more deaths per capita from a disease which is mostly fatal to those of advanced age. I don't know if that is the answer, but it is easy to come up with better reasons than insulting people who died from disease.
Not sure why you have to cast hate on people that died from a disease but it reminds me of all those people who cast hate and bigotry on the victims of HIV early in that pandemic. That's a shameful comment in 2021. It's disgusting and belongs on /b/, not on slashdot, even if the article is a nonscience political flamebait.
I'm sure if you want to make political commentary you can find a more appropriate forum, but if you want to insult those who have died during the pandemic I think you should go find the grieving families and have enough guts to say it to their faces or keep your mouth shut.
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Florida has an old population on average.
Also the Florida government refused to acknowledge any problem existed at all or do anything about it then, instructed their scientists to lie about the numbers then minted a brand new judge to write warrants so they could use the police to threaten and intimidate the scientist into not telling the truth.
I wonder if that had any effect.
Re:Focus on deaths now (Score:5, Informative)
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Dangit, this should have been the second link [nih.gov].
It's ok. Really, you only need to read the first one and it really put the spotlight on it.
It like hitting the dumb nail twice.
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Vaccinations are critical, and we need to be at 80% of the population over 12 by August, so we can start school.
This part seems straightforward - require proof of COVID-19 vaccination before allowing the student to attend school.
Re:Focus on deaths now (Score:5, Interesting)
Why would anyone ever administer these experimental vaccines to children, who are almost completely unaffected by SARS-CoV2?
Umm, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe the reason is so they don't spread the disease to others?
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I am little more confident about long term effects of a new vaccine made in an American lab vs new virus made in a Chinese lab. Vaccines are designed to be as safe as possible given researchers knowledge of human physiology and don't spontaneously mutate into more dangerous variants. There is a lot of ground between dying and unaffected, for example there is evidence of of heart damage and mental health problems even in asymptomatic patients.
Not experimental (Score:3)
Know something?
A friend of mine complimented me years ago on "non-confrontational posting".
But there is a time and place to make exceptions.
The vaccines have passed large Phase III trials. That's acceptance testing. There is nothing "experimental" about them now, and no honest reason to say there is.
0.01 % have trouble with the Covid-19 vaccine. (Score:4, Informative)
One of the stories:
Here’s what breakthrough infections reveal about COVID-19 vaccines [sciencenews.org]
ScienceNews.org, May 4, 2021
"Of the more than 95 million people in the United States who were fully vaccinated, only 9,245 — or 0.01 percent — have been infected with the coronavirus as of April 26, according to the CDC."
Government agency reporting:
COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting [cdc.gov]
Now the number is closer to 0.001 percent, judging from the numbers in that article.
"Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases."
So were all the epidemiologists wrong? (Score:3)
https://www.channelnewsasia.co... [channelnewsasia.com]
If that is not the cause of the waves were the epidemiologists just wrong about herd immunity? If variants are the cause of waves we could see another wave in the USA in several months.
Re: Good (Score:5, Informative)
Random people on Slashdot are never wrong, so it's probably ok not to get the shot, despite the scientific evidence saying it's safe, effective, and that the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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Um... what? Nothing about the vaccines actually being safe, effective and beneficial has anything to do with it being okay to *not* get one. Just sayin'.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
not yet enough evidence to suggest it's "safe".
People are not being vaccinated because it's safe. People are being vaccinated because current data suggests is a hell of a lot safer than getting sick from COVID-19.
Big difference, but not in the eyes of an obvious anti-vax troll.
Measuring safety (Score:5, Insightful)
One of the things that I included in my assessment before I let a foreign substance into my body is that if anything does go wrong with a vaccine, it's always or almost always in days or weeks, two months absolute tops. People who've spend their lives knowing vaccines are unanimous on that as near as I can tell.
By the time I became eligible, millions of people were past that amount of time and I went to significant lengths to get mine.
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It's more than that. The vaccine is safer than the potential risk of getting COVID-19, even in countries with low infection rate such as Australia and Japan.
Re: Good (Score:5, Interesting)
I bet you don't know that the COVID vaccines have all been tested far more thoroughly (and for a longer period of time) than the smallpox or polio vaccines were when they were approved for public use.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
I genuinely hope I'm being too cautious.
You're not being cautious, you're failing at basic statistics. Which is more likely to be dangerous, catching covid, or getting the vaccine?
Checkmate.
Re: Good (Score:4, Insightful)
Ah, now we're getting to the heart of it. You're not mad at the vaccine, you're mad at the democrats for successfully rolling out the vaccine and being in charge while the pandemic nears its end. You let your guard down and accidentally showed your cards, grasshoppa.
Re: Good (Score:4, Interesting)
Because if you really look at the facts, you have a lot of unknowns with a vaccine you willfully inject vs a lot of unknowns with a virus you unwillingly contract.
I can't imagine the confusion of mind that you possess that allows you to say this seriously. Your entire post is a specimen of motivated reasoning.
Re: Good (Score:5, Informative)
What is relevant is that mRNA vaccines are brand new, viable mRNA technology really only being under 20 years old and never used on this scale before. That's a significant factor but not the only one that concerns me; I'm not comfortable with the J&J vaccine either ( for the same reasons; we have no idea what, if any, long term implications are ).
What do you think the risks are?
The virus is a strand of mRNA inside a tiny bubble of fat.
The Pfizer/Moderna vaccines are a very tiny, section of that mRNA that codes for a piece of a protein, and it's inside a tiny bubble of fat. It's then placed into a solution that's mostly sugar water.
The vaccine is basically just the virus with the parts that make it replicate and the parts that can hurt you removed. If there's a risk from the mRNA itself, you're going to be at a far, far greater risk getting the entire virus than the tiny piece of it.
The main risks I see in the vaccine are "is the process reliable?" and "is the solution it's shipped in safe?"
Most of the manufacturing process is spent verifying that the mRNA produced is exactly what we expected. We've been doing tons of testing to see if it produces the antibodies we expect. And we went way overboard on the rules for shipping and storing it to keep it safe. We've got a ton of confidence in the process.
The solution is the main area of doubt. It's mostly sugar water, but there are tiny amounts of other things in it. The other ingredients do differ between Pfizer and Moderna. These ingredients are in very tiny amounts. If there's going to be problems from that, it's probably going to show up immediately. We're hundreds of millions of doses into this, so any issues here likely would've shown already.
I get more hesitancy on the adenovirus based ones. You're grafting a piece of one virus onto another live virus, so there's more room for things to go wrong. We've done it before tho as it's worked well.
not exactly mRNA (Score:3)
but something that mostly behaves like regular mRNA. It definitely has some clever changes to better convince the cell to make some spike proteine for a while. It even contains a supplement for uracil. That should be barely measurable compared to the second hand smoke I inhaled while walking down the street that other day.
The parts where it does not exactly is mRNA are what will be the reason for the Nobel Price.
For the record, I am a very happy German customer of Biontech and I am looking forward to have m
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Wait a second there. You're the one who made the comparison. You gave examples of the smallpox and polio vaccines as "good" vaccines, as opposed to the "bad" COVID vaccine. Go ahead, scroll up and read you comment.
But you're right about how our "methods and abilities" have grown dramatically since then. That's why the COVID vaccine is shaping up to be one of the sa
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and because of that it's entirely fair to be cautious of it.
There is no "fair" about it. You made an emotion decision and now you're trying to rationalize it.
You know it saves lives - yours and others. You know it has been tested by multiple countries and found safe. You know people in other countries are dying because they can't get it. You know people are traveling a quarter of the way around the world to get to countries where it is readily available.
Despite all this, your argument is something like "Whaaa. What if 50 years from now they find it causes a
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you wait 30 years before giving the vaccine, the larger pool of infected will probably lead to loads of mutants, one of which will successfully remove anti-vaxers/Americans from the gene pool.
you could even be in for a Darwin award yourself!
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> What is relevant is that mRNA vaccines are brand new, viable mRNA technology really only being under 20 years old and never used on this scale before.
You know that's not the only choice. The Astra Zenica vaccine is available and it's a more 'traditional' vaccine, in fact one based on research for the vaccine for SARS and MERS that's been going on for over a decade. Proven science there, go fill your veins with it. I did.
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If the losers died after taking up a hospital bed and everyone played that game, pretty soon they'd be cremating the bodies of the game losers nonstop in any available public space...like India.
Re: Good (Score:5, Informative)
Rogan had the right of it, though; young people with no comorbidities have little reason to take it.
Actually, he's wrong. Young people serving as vectors with the potential to infect adults with comorbidities is a major reason for them to take the vaccine.
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Additionally, the more people susceptible to the virus, the more hosts for potential mutations that could cause all sorts of troubles including strains that reduce the effectiveness of vaccines.
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There's also some evidence (still being studied) that they are also reservoirs of the variants of concern, some of which hit the kids harder then the original.
Anyways. here in Canada, it is up to the kids whether they get vaccinated and whether their parents know and most seem to be choosing to be vaccinated.
Previously, when they went back to school last fall, they had a lot of worries about bringing the virus home and maybe killing someone, not good for their mental health and likely a reason they're eager
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You forgot the <poeslaw> tags.
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Maybe you should live in a socialist country. You might find you're better off for it.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
WTF does politics have to do with this? The vaccine is safe, it will save lives, you don't need to know more than that. Stop believing the far-nutty-right that covid is a myth invented by marxists to take over the world, get out of your political bubble and start living in reality.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Time to play the Moving Socialism Goalposts game! Here are the rules! When socialist countries do well at something, practically no countries are socialist, but when American conservatives want to smear an idea they don't like, policies from most any country in the world or even whole countries themselves are fair game for the socialist label! Can a country have "socialist" policies like universal healthcare, a generous welfare system, and sharply progressive taxation and not be socialist? Who knows, conservatives will never tell, that's the fun of the game!
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Long term studies on living indicate that it's unsafe as 100% of the people in all the studies eventually died. Granted, it's possible that more data is required.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
I realize I'm probably talking to a wall here, but there's not yet enough evidence to suggest it's "safe". We don't have any long term studies on it, which would been done through the normal course of vaccine research.
Shut up. Just . . . shut. . . up. With the tens of millions of vaccines given, if there was anything remotely unsafe about any of them they would be pulled in an instant. No vaccine, when first introduced, has ever had a long-term study done it for the simple fact, wait for it, the vaccine was just produced.
All vaccine research undergo the same process which includes phased trials to determine both efficacy and safety. It's not until years later than any long-term study can even be done.
Yours is just another long line of excuses. Like the lie I heard about this morning that getting the covid vaccine will prevent women from getting pregnant. As the guy on the morning show said, if that's the case, he'll get his 9 year old daughter vaccinated as soon as he can.
Long term (Score:3)
Or, looking at it another way, the question yields to a single clear thought.
If the mRNA has to be held at dry ice temperatures for distribution, exactly how long does anyone think it will last at body temperature around enzymes specialized for recycling RNA?
The long term effects are memory B cells and T cells.
Anyone who wants me to worry about long-term negative effects should either point out other vaccines where bad things showed up late, or suggest some remotely plausible mechanism.
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It is not supposed to last. It's supposed to react with cells it's injected into ASAP and cause muscle cells to produce spike protein from the virus. Which is a poor fit for muscle cells, so it gets stuck on their surface, unlike cells in our breaching apparatus with appropriate receptors. In those, it can detach from the surface and move on.
And while it's stuck on the surface of the muscle cells, our immune system can identify it correctly and start building memory cells for it without the risks posed by v
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I suppose it makes sense that our resident low grade Chinese troll would troll the vaccination thread.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
KIds DIE from covid! They are not largely immune. There are just less ikely to have serious complications from it. Do tell the parents of the kids who died from covid that vaccination isn't needed and see how they respond to you. "Less likely" is not the same as "largely immune".
Kids can absolutely with no doubt be carriers.
Re: Good (Score:5, Informative)
There are kids who died after getting covid. There are people who died just after being vaccinated against covid. It is not that simple.
You're right, it's not that simple.
In the United States the mortality rate for children who contract COVID-19 is 1.3% (lower than average)
In the United States the mortality rate for anyone who has been given the Pfizer vaccine is 0%
In the United States the mortality rate for anyone who has been given the JJ vaccine is 0.000034%
Get your fucking vaccinations.
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We don't know the long term implications of the vaccine. We do know that kids are largely immune from serious adverse reactions to C19. It's entirely possible that the adverse reactions from the vaccine will outstripe those from c19 for that cohort.
So you're claiming kids are basically immune from covid with spikes. But won't also be just as immune to the spikes by themselves. Seems a strange claim to make.
What else in the vaccine do you imagine is the source of the danger?
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Some of the new variants do seem to cause more problems with the young. The important thing is that given the choice, and here in Canada, they do get to choose, including whether their parents are told, they seem to be overwhelmingly in favour of getting vaccinated.
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Do you realise that vaccines, the very subject of this discussion thread are preventative care, rather than a treatment? And that they are effectively cures in terms of outcomes?
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I think we're talking past each other a bit here. I do a lot of volunteering and moonlighting in youth sports and grassroots sports. I'm in a country where it is literally constitutionally forbidden for the government to do things like unilaterally lock down borders from its own citizenry, and right to things like schooling is also effectively enshrined in law, though not on constitutional level.
And even here, they basically spun down almost all youth sports, closed clubs, and made schools remote. And then,
Re: Good (Score:4, Informative)
it's better for me and my family that other people more accepting of risk take those chances.
I've been fully vaccinated for nearly two months. I'm definitely one of those people more accepting of vaccine risk.
But from my point of view, you're much more accepting of risk from the actual virus, a large and better-known risk.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
There are all of about zero indications of any long-term ill effects. In fact, given the vaccine uses nothing more than messenger RNA leaves virtually no room for anything to go wrong after the first week of receiving the injection. Indeed, this will more than likely turn out to be the safest vaccine ever created.
You might have a point for the adenovirus vaccines when it comes to long term unknowns, but the vast majority of the shots are of the mRNA variety. Either way, it's still just useless fearmongering spread by a bunch of fucking morons that never made it anywhere in life so they have to go make shit up on the internet to make themselves feel important.
Hanlon's Razor (Score:5, Interesting)
Not all the vaccine criticism is incompetence. Some is malice.
Some French influencers have reported being approached by a shadowy PR firm offering them money to spread lies about the Pfizer vaccine.
Re:Hanlon's Razor (Score:5, Interesting)
Ya, that was a scary story to read. Anytime I see anti-vax stuff happening now I am positive it's politically based. That's because my mother who's otherwise not anti-vax at all, and who has zero scientific or medical background, is utterly convinced that people shouldn't get vaccinated and that kids are completely immune, because she read that on her far right email newsletters. She doesn't think about this stuff, she just repeats it. She also thinks it's a shame that the democrats stole the election because now they're going to teach marxism in the schools. Of course, she's getting very close to dementia, so I will forgive her confusion over this. But I don't understand why otherwise mentally capable and educated adults are buying into these stupid lies merely because some political thought leader said something online.
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Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of a propaganda campaign on the part of the Russia/China/Iran bloc. Reminds me of when RT was running a piece on its English language channels stating that 5G will kill you.
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Actually yes...though not for this particular reason. The FDA is generally super slow when it comes to approving novel new therapies. We're left in this odd place where the latest and greatest medical technology is invented here but then we're ultimately one of the last ones who get access to it, with some therapies taking decades to get approval even after they're already in common use elsewhere.
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And judging from the accuracy of your post, the wall has been talking back.
Re: Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Waiting for that mythical degree of absolute safety is the reason we can no longer get anything done, whether it’s stopping the spread of a pandemic that we have multiple vaccines for, or replacing fossil fuels with clean energy.
Re: Good (Score:4, Insightful)
We know enough that you are more likely to die from covid-19 than you are to get a serious illness from the covid-19 vaccines. Unless you're a nutcase anti-vaxxer then there's no good reason to not get the covid vaccine. If you can to count adverse events, then count all the deaths from covid-19 to balance against it.
If you are willing to take a flu vaccine, whihc changes every year, then you should be willing to get the covid-19 vaccine.
If you have a personal reason not to get vaccinated, the PLEASE stop discouraging others with your misinformation!
Re: Good (Score:4, Insightful)
Data we have so far: chance of dying from COVID: 1:5000. Chance of dying from the vaccine: 1:1,000,000. Chance of getting COVID when you're not in a lockdown: close to 100%.
The vaccine also reduces the chance you'll get severely ill and have long-term lung damage by a factor 100.
Conclusion: any negative side effects of the vaccine are completely drowned out by the positive main effect. And with 100 million vaccinations already done, we have a large enough sample size that yes, we can definitely say it's safe in the short term.
We also know enough about how vaccines work to be able to rule out long-term side effects.
So rather than deciding for yourself based on no data at all, look at what we already know.
Everyone has good reason to take the vaccine. Even if you don't have comorbidities, you can still be a carrier and infect others. The only way to get rid of this severe disease is through herd immunity, and that means vaccinating everyone who isn't medically unable to be vaccinated.
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What do you mean "pushing" for it?
It will be a huge relief when my ten-year-old son is fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis... [mayoclinic.org]
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I scanned the list of blog posts: Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Why are you so comfortable being blatantly lied to?
Why are you so frightened of facts? Facts bring strength, lies bring fear and weakne
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Unexplained blood clots in otherwise healthy adults,
Covid produces blood clots in infected people [osu.edu].
heavy menstrual bleeding,
For a short time after receiving the vaccine which appears to be linked to the immune system [bbc.co.uk], of which the womb lining is part of. Oddly, the vaccine is encouraging your immune system to develop a response. The two couldn't be related, could they? Also, infections, including covid, are linked to miscarriages and pre-term delivery.
myocarditis in children
Some children who get covid can
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They're scared of needles but don't want to admit it.
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They're scared of needles but don't want to admit it.
I am terrified of needles. I hyperventilate and break out in a cold sweat, on one occasion progressing to a full blown panic attack when having blood drawn.
I still got my vaccination: 2 shots of the Moderna vaccine.
Fear is not a justification for cowardice.
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I was hospitalized last year because of an extensive DVT. About a month earlier, I was out of breath and had a serious case of chills -- but no other symptoms. I wonder if I had COVID late last year. When I was admitted, I tested negative (fortunately).
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We know that with the best evidence we have, that they are safer than catching covid-19. That's the math that results in an emergency authorization. I can guarantee you that most of these people who are scared of the covid vaccines are out and about socializing with friends and complaining about having to wear masks.
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No pregnant woman has even carried a baby to term after receiving these shots.
Really? So this study is lying about the 13 women in the study who gave birth after being fully vaccinated during pregnancy? Or perhaps more likely, you're just spouting nonsense.
https://www.ajog.org/article/S... [ajog.org]
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They were not vaccinated before they became pregnant. They were vaccinated after they were already pregnant in the study you cited.
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Vaccinated with something unproven and with unknown long term side effects.
As opposed to getting coronavirus which is proven to be harmful with long term side effects including and up to death?
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I knew Joe Biden was lying when he said kids "are the safest group of people in the whole world" and "you're not likely to be able to be exposed to something and spread it"
I'll be honest, if you're listening to Joe Biden for medical advice, something is wrong with you. And I think something is wrong with you, NFN_NLN.
Listen to scientists for science info. Better yet, read the papers they write.
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I took the Moderna and the side effects were worse than when I had covid. I'm definitely not letting my kids take it until it's been out for a while.
I even had the shortness of breath issue that took months to get over from Covid return.
I have and do take all my vaccines even the non-required ones but I regret being pressured into taking this one.
Re:High risk groups matter (Score:5, Informative)
Have you actually had it? If you haven't, you have no room to speak at all. I have and let me tell you, that's a week and a half where I felt like a truck ran me over and put the thing in reverse. I've never in my life been that damn sick. I had to muster up just about every ounce of strength to just get up and walk across the damn room. I lost 20 pounds while having COVID-19. So don't sit there and tell me that it's just "unpleasant" because if I had the option to get the vaccine beforehand and not have to deal with that shit, I would've in a heart beat.
Oh, and my whole family got it too. My dad had pneumonia for nearly a month and a half after COVID-19.
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I didn't mean to dismiss your first point, but the point I was trying to make was that those who refuse the vaccine often end up immune anyway, through an experience such as yours. I don't see the point in getting hysterical about the people who won't vaccinate for political reasons, because there's a good likelihood they'll obtain involuntary immunity through more painful means.
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Oddly, most conservatives have been downplaying the risk throughout the entire pandemic
Why is that odd?
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It's odd, because most conservatives are in the high risk group. If anything, you'd expect them to be the most vocal about vaccination and social distancing.
They care much more about social conformity than social distancing.
Trump said it was no big deal. They have to agree to fit into the group.
Vaccination is far more effective (Score:3)
>acquiring immunity through infection is probably just as effective as vaccination
The virus doesn't have an evolutionary "incentive" to create immune responses. I have read that it includes immune dampening tactics.
The vaccines, in contrast, are carefully and brilliantly designed to maximize an immune response. One article called it a "lucky break", but deliberate or not it was a master stroke to have the vaccines burrow into dendritic cells and turn the wanted poster billboards into high-output wanted p
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the disease is no more serious than a bad case of the flu,
That is demonstrably false to the point where ignorance alone no longer accounts for making that claim. Contracting even a mild case of COVID-19 has in many cases long lasting negative health effects, in many cases outright debilitating. Hospitalisation rates for the virus are higher than the flu. Mortality rates are higher than the flu.
Why are you spreading obvious misinformation? Are you being paid for it, or are you trolling for other reasons?
so acquiring immunity through infection is probably just as effective as vaccination
That is demonstrably false to the point where ignorance alone
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Staging areas aren't needed. The vaccine is available at pharmacies and most medical facilities now. The problem isn't making it available. The problem is people choosing not to get it.
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That's like saying a grocery store in a particular neighborhood isn't needed because food is available the next city over. Sometimes the medicine has to come to the people.
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For instance, I’m curious as to why nobody has advocated death for the FDA who, despite “the science”, have not approved the vaccines yet.
That's an extremely misleading statement. Why are you saying misleading statements instead of trying to find out the truth?
Re:Sincerely Curious (Score:5, Informative)
The FDA has not approved the vaccines because, until 3 weeks ago, nobody APPLIED for FDA approval. If you read about the approval process, you will see that it involves the phase I/II/III trials, and a review of that data. That has been completed, it is why they got the EUAs. After that, they need to develop and have reviewed 'labeling information' and have long term manufacturing plans. These are the things that were not done. Neither one of them has anything to do with the safety or efficacy of the vaccines. The manufacturers did not pursue these steps because they were not needed to help with the pandemic, and nobody knows if there will be an ongoing need for these particular vaccines.
The liability thing has little to do with the companies not believing in their product. Winning a lawsuit does not require any actual scientific proof that an injury was caused by a vaccine, just a sympathetic jury. These lawsuits can cost a company many millions of dollars,even if their product didn't cause the injury. To pay for these suits the companies usually just raise the price of the product. In the case of vaccines, the government wants as low a price as possible so they can vaccinate as many people as possible. The benefit to public health is far greater than the ability of some lawyers to run get rich quick schemes. If you are actually injured by vaccine, and can prove it, you can file a claim with the government.
Obviously there is much that is still unknown about COVID and the vaccines. Why would you think otherwise? The point that the antivaxxers always miss is that, as we learn more, guidance may change. For instance, the original trials were focused on preventing hospitalization and death, and that is what they measured. The vaccines were found to be very effective at that. What they didn't know was how effective the vaccines were at preventing infection, because they didn't measure that. This lead a lot of idiots to state that the vaccines DID NOT prevent infection or spread. Then when further studies show that the vaccines DO help prevent infection and spread, and thus masks are not required for vaccinated people, these same idiots then claim that the guidance changed because of 'what's in fashion at the moment'.
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This lead a lot of idiots to state that [...]
Throughout this entire pandemic, there have been many people at whom I've wanted to constantly shout the phrase:
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!"
A failure to understand this, or rather an absolute insistence of assuming the opposite, has driven so much of our public-facing fear mongering.
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For instance, Iâ(TM)m curious as to why nobody has advocated death for the FDA who, despite âoethe scienceâ, have not approved the vaccines yet.
Lost me right there. You know what you are doing - parroting shopworn anti-vax lies, i.e., trolling.