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American Honey Is Radioactive From Decades of Nuclear Bomb Testing (vice.com) 133

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: The world's nuclear powers have detonated more than 500 nukes in the atmosphere. These explosions were tests, shows of force to rival nations, and proof that countries such as Russia, France, and the U.S. had mastered the science of the bomb. The world's honey has suffered for it. According to a new study published in Nature Communications, honey in the United States is full of fallout lingering from those atmospheric nuclear tests.

For the study, researchers collected honey samples from more than 100 hives and soil samples from 110 locations across the Eastern United States. The scientists found elevated levels of cesium in both the soil and honey samples. "While most of the radiation produced by a nuclear weapon detonation decays within the first few days, one of the longest-lived and more abundant fission products is [cesium] , which has a radioactive half-life of 30.2 years," the study said. Previous research after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster identified elevated levels of cesium in European honey and pollen. The good news is that, according to researchers, most of this honey is probably safe for humans to consume. "While the concentrations of [cesium] we report in honey today are below the...dietary threshold level of concern observed by many countries, and not evidently dangerous for human consumption, the widespread residual radiation...is surprising given that nearly 2 half-lives have elapsed since most of the bomb production of [cesium]," they said.
Interestingly, the researchers "also found an inverse relationship between the amount of potassium naturally occurring in soil and the amount of fallout found in honey," the report says. "Southern states contained three times the amount of fallout that the northern states did. Southern soil doesn't contain much potassium while soil in the north is rich with the stuff. While this honey is probably safe for human consumption, it may not be for the bees who generate it."
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American Honey Is Radioactive From Decades of Nuclear Bomb Testing

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  • Yummy (Score:5, Funny)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Thursday April 22, 2021 @10:59PM (#61303500)

    My favorite!

    The radiation makes your teeth whiter too. Reference: https://io9.gizmodo.com/seriou... [gizmodo.com]

  • It may not be safe for the bees?

    Honey bees live 2-6 weeks. The nuclear tests were *hundreds of generations ago*.

    That's like saying the great pyramid at Giza might kill off the humans.

    • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:08PM (#61303518)

      Try reading the text maybe? Many of the byproducts (such as cesium) and things irradiated by the tests stay radioactive for a long time, so honey bees born today can still collect radioactivity by consuming or going near that stuff. You didn't know that?

      As for the pyramids, who knows -- maybe a future war may start over who owns the pyramids and then escalate. WWIII has to start someplace doesn't it?

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by iggymanz ( 596061 )

        You and the bees get more dangerous radiation and radionuclides from fossil fuels, concrete blocks, cosmic rays..and etc and etc.

        The honey is nothing.

      • As for the pyramids, who knows -- maybe a future war may start over who owns the pyramids and then escalate. WWIII has to start someplace doesn't it?

        Does it really matter where it starts when the end result of that madness, could be a planet-sized parking lot?

        "Oh you really like those pyramids do you?"

        * tosses nuke *

        "There ya go. Enjoy your speed bump."

      • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:33AM (#61304806) Journal

        So cesium (and anything else radioactive) gets LESS radioactive over time, not MORE. By necessity - releasing energy means that energy isn't in cesium anymore.

        Which means, bees today are getting far LESS radiation from it than their parent, grandparents, great grandparents, going back 650 generations of bees. They've done alright for 650 generations with MORE cesium radioactive. What makes you think that LESS is suddenly going to be a huge problem?

        • by Petrini ( 49261 )

          Well, sounds like we're headed for a cesium gap.

        • by mspohr ( 589790 )

          Duh. The cesium in honey doesn't come from the bees or their parents. Cesium in honey comes from the pollen they collect in the wild. This shows that cesium is lingering in the environment even decades after the nuclear bomb tests.

          • We already KNOW the half-life of cesium. It's 30 years.
            Half-life means it decays by half every 30 years.
            So there is 25% as much as there was 60 years ago.
            We know *precisely* how long it "lingers". That's how atomic clocks work. Literally, the very most accurate timing measurement we have in whole world is how long it "lingers". Kaka the rate of decay by emission).
            That's not news.

            The only "news" here is that some moron thinks that 75% LESS cesium is going to somehow be catastrophic for bees, when MORE wasn'

        • In a very simple understanding you may be correct, however we don't live in a simple world. The fact that cesium shows up in honey at all shows that it's still there, since cesium decays into a metastable barium when it spins off that gamma ray. And since the bee didn't just go pick up some cesium off the ground, it's been absorbed by a plant that the bee grabbed some nectar from, probably in replacement for the potassium the plant was really looking for.

          That also means that there is a good chance other b

    • Not to mention the fact that most bees do not breed. They have Queens.

    • It turns the bees into fireflies.
    • That's like saying the great pyramid at Giza might kill off the humans.

      These are landing pads for snake like aliens that take over Humans, so... yeah.

    • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:21AM (#61303734)

      It may not be safe for the bees?

      Honey bees live 2-6 weeks. The nuclear tests were *hundreds of generations ago*.

      That's like saying the great pyramid at Giza might kill off the humans.

      Ironically enough, if colony collapse were to occur en masse today, hundreds of generations later, it probably would kill off quite a few humans.

      We need honeybess far more than they need us.

    • by zmooc ( 33175 ) <zmooc@zmooc.DEGASnet minus painter> on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:10AM (#61304186) Homepage

      Honeybees are born from queens. They have 1 generation per year. It's 59 generations since the last atmospheric test in the USA and 70 since the first. Bees have not been doing that well since then. A causal relation cannot be entirely excluded.

      • Honeybees are born from queens.

        Honeybees are hatched from eggs laid by queens. They are not born.

        This has been Captain Pedantic, signing off.

  • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:02PM (#61303514)

    And cigarettes. And coal. And everything.

    But: HOW radioactive?

    • by neurotap242 ( 1668573 ) on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:37PM (#61303576)
      Bananas are around 15 Becquerels each. A kilo of the tested honey was between 0.6 and 19 Becquerels.

      The article says "The concentrations of 137Cs we report in honey today are below the 50–100Bq / kg dietary threshold level of concern observed by many countries, and not evidently dangerous for human consumption."

      They seem to be worried about the health of the bees, not people.
      • insects are tougher than us when it comes to radiation though. Honeybees in Chernobyl exclusion zone did suffer less fertility, 35 percent of normal... but that's crazy high levels of radiation compared to this honey. and they still do their honeybee thing!

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot@worf.ERDOSnet minus math_god> on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:28AM (#61303886)

          insects are tougher than us when it comes to radiation though

          It comes from the complexity of the DNA I believe. Insects are far simpler biologically and thus their DNA doesn't code for as much and is much more redundant, thus can tolerate a lot more errors before failing. Insects also generally have very short lifespans measured in days or weeks so the effects of damaged DNA might not have time to manifest. And given the reproduction of insects is often only by a queen or so, it also means if the insect's DNA is damaged, it's not propagated onwards unless the queen or her male cohorts are affected.

          Among insects, cockroaches would be the first to die in a nuclear blast - they are complex insects.

          • Just want to say, I think "proximity" beats out DNA complexity or even IF you have DNA when it comes to the lineup against a nuclear "blast".

            But I understand what you meant.

          • Cockroaches can still take fifteen times the acute dose a human can. Their cells don't divide as often. Radiation from "nuclear blast" is very short ranged.

    • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:29AM (#61303742) Journal

      Yes [honey is somewhat radioactive], and so are bananas. And cigarettes. And coal. And everything.

      I understand some instruments used for carbon-14 dating are built with a radiation shield consisting of a chunk cut from a WW II navy gun barrel. That's because the steel, with the carbon in it, was smelted before the atmospheric nuclear tests released enough carbon 14 to make modern steel unsuitable as a radiation shield for this purpose.

    • So.. what you are really saying is that bananas are 10 times deadlier than radioactive honey??? OMG!!!!

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:25AM (#61303880) Homepage Journal

      It actually says in the summary. "Most" of it is safe for human consumption.

      The real question is how much of the stuff that isn't safe gets into the food chain. They have a similar problem in Fukushima, most of the produce and most of the land is safe, but identifying the parts that are not is difficult and prevents people living there.

    • And cigarettes. And coal. And everything.

      But: HOW radioactive?

      (Coal) "Woah, hold up there. Don't lump me in with those two. No one is dumping radioactive fertilizer on me. I'm all-natural."

      • If you burn coal to make electricity and collect the ash, then you can make as much electricity from the uranium in the ash.
  • Numbers (Score:5, Informative)

    by clovis ( 4684 ) on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:30PM (#61303556)

    From the study,

    Using low background gamma spectrometry, we found detectable 137Cs (0.03Bq 137Cs kg1=105.94 atoms tablespoon1) in 68 of 122 distinct honey samples sourced from North America.

    One becquerel is one decay per second.

    Here's the unavoidable banana equivalent.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    Since a typical banana contains about half a gram of potassium, it will have an activity of roughly 15 Bq.

    Check my math, please,
    The average Florida wildflower honey had 3.4 Bq/kg, so you would have to eat 4 kg of that honey to equal one banana.

    • but most decays of Cesium-137 make a gamma while 10% of the potassium-40 ones do... though the potassium one has twice the energy.

      Some apples to oranges there still.

    • 10^5.94 atoms per tablespoon

      Not questioning your math, just the formatting that got stripped.
    • You're forgetting one minor thing: cesium is mildly toxic. Radioactivity not being a problem does not mean cesium by itself is not. Nevertheless, it also doesn't mean it is.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Potassium is regulated in the body, any excess will be expelled and it is kept in areas where the small amount beta radiation won't do you any harm.

      As your own link mentions "in practice, this dose is not cumulative, as the principal radioactive component is excreted to maintain metabolic equilibrium."

      The honey contains Cesium-137, which can accumulate in parts of the body where it can do harm.

    • I'm not worried about how much radiation I'm getting from the honey, I'm worried about how much the bees might be getting, and what it might do to their populations.
    • by Subm ( 79417 )

      Your math isn't the issue. Richard Feynman's criticism on the "safety factor" on the shuttle's O-rings applies:

      It had been noted in an experiment cutting the ring that cutting it as deep as one radius was necessary before the ring failed. Instead of being very concerned that variations of poorly understood conditions might reasonably create a deeper erosion this time, it was asserted, there was "a safety factor of three." This is a strange use of the engineer's term ,"safety factor." If a bridge is built t

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:45PM (#61303594)

    People said I was CRAZY when I told them my tea was self-warming...

  • Nice of vice.com to "redact" the original nature.com article for the presumably isotope-challenged, leaving absurd statements like this:

    "... [cesium], which has a radioactive half-life of 30.2 years...”

  • If it's based on potassium, really not that much to worry about. Bananas do the same thing. There's a chart out there that explains just how little radiation you get from a banana vs. radiation that really matters.

  • So is every cell in your body. So what?

  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @12:15AM (#61303640) Homepage Journal

    When you eat honey the Caesium is taken out of the environment and into you. At least reducing the contamination by that tiny little amount. Versus the dumb way of simply letting pollen fall wherever and never collect it.

    • When you eat honey the Caesium is taken out of the environment and into you...

      So, when people say WE are "saving the planet", it's quite literal.

      (Mother Nature) "Thank you for your sacrifice. You ah, kinda deserve it at this point."

      • People gripe about the impositions expected of us by kooky environmentalists. If all we had to do was eat more honey and bananas I think the push back would disappear.

  • "Most is probably safe!" The most reassuring thing I've read all day!

  • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:14AM (#61303726)

    "the widespread residual radiation...is surprising given that nearly 2 half-lives have elapsed since most of the bomb production."

    It seems that after reviewing the comments here, the actual radioactive levels are being compared to a single banana, and thus quite low.

    I'm more focused on the comment above. Unless we truly don't understand the half-life of cesium, why exactly do we feel this radiation, was from nuclear testing? The article states "cesium", but my understanding is there are elements of that which occur naturally, and also elements that are the result of nuclear activity (cesium-137). It just seems like if we're that far removed from nuclear testing, there might be another reason we're still detecting elevated levels today.

    We're almost 2 "half" lives removed, so what happens when that's 4 "half" lives? Or 8? We going to re-define the half-live of cesium, or perhaps stop pointing the finger at nukes?

    The other scary part about this, is colony collapse. Here we are almost 60 years after stopping massive nuclear testing, and we're just now starting to understand the impact on bees. I wonder what we ignorant humans would have done had we inadvertently nuked honeybees from this planet long ago? We talk a lot about the impact of that, and yet if we would have caused it, we would have been screwed. (We'd still be screwed.)

    We're damn lucky honeybees appear to be more related to cockroaches than we thought.

    • You're marked troll but maybe you're just very confused? Specifically, I think you misunderstand what half life means, with regards to exponential decay. You seem to think that it takes two "halves" for something to completely disappear. That makes intuitive sense from the language but is incorrect.

      Instead, after one half life, one half of the original amount remains, and after two half lives, one half of one half remains, or 1/4 of the original. Meaning, each successive half life iteration halves the re
      • by narcc ( 412956 )

        The summary was confused as well:

        the widespread residual radiation...is surprising given that nearly 2 half-lives have elapsed since most of the bomb production of [cesium]

        They're quoting someone, presumably a scientist. Do they really not know why we use "half-life" instead of just "life time"? I thought they taught the concept in high school.

      • You're marked troll but maybe you're just very confused? Specifically, I think you misunderstand what half life means, with regards to exponential decay. You seem to think that it takes two "halves" for something to completely disappear. That makes intuitive sense from the language but is incorrect. Instead, after one half life, one half of the original amount remains, and after two half lives, one half of one half remains, or 1/4 of the original. Meaning, each successive half life iteration halves the result of the prior iteration, so for example after four half lives, there'd be (1/2)*(1/2)*(1/2)*(1/2) remaining, which is 1/16th of the original amount.

        Thank you for the clarification. All that said, was there a reason to write an article about "OMG! radiation!" when it appears the calculated risk from honey is approx. 4kg to one banana? At that rate, smoothie stand operators should be deemed mass terrorists for the amount of toxic bananas they're slinging. Odd how no one is writing fearmongering articles about radiating infants with banana-based baby food. Perhaps honey just happened to be the sweet, sweet clickbait trap and flavor of the day.

        • The issue wouldn't be humans eating the honey. However, it is worth delving into the susceptibility of bees to enriched concentrations of radioactive Cs for the same reason the concentration unstable isotopes of potassium is elevated in a banana: isotopic fractionation.

          Imagine a solution containing potassium of typical isotopic ratios being used to water a banana plant in an isolated system. A banana grown from this tree will not exhibit the same isotopic ratio of potassium but instead the concentration o
    • by necro81 ( 917438 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:56AM (#61304292) Journal

      the widespread residual radiation...is surprising given that nearly 2 half-lives have elapsed since most of the bomb production

      I'm more focused on the comment above. Unless we truly don't understand the half-life of cesium, why exactly do we feel this radiation, was from nuclear testing?

      This one is actually pretty straightforward. There's hardly any natural production of cesium-137 - only trace amounts come about from the natural decay of uranium (238U). On the other hand, we know that cesium-137 is an abundant product of nuclear explosions (and accidental releases from power plants). The radiation produced by 137Cs is well characterized: gamma rays with an energy of 0.6617 MeV. You could think of that gamma emission as a characteristic "color" of the decay: if you detect that energy/color, it almost certainly came from cesium-137. And if you find it out in the world (as opposed to near the nuclear power plant), it is almost certainly left over from the development of nuclear weapons.

      I suppose what the researchers found surprising isn't that there's still cesium-137 left over from the atmospheric tests of the 50's and 60's - you can find it the world over if you look - but that it was being taken up and concentrated in plants and then, by extension, in honey.

    • One half life is only halving the quantity of initial element. So assume you started with 1 g of 137Cs spread over a field due to nuclear explosion testing (actually quantity is lower it is just an arbitrary number to show an example), after 1 half life, there is only 0.5g, after a second there is 0.25g. The activity by that point would be divided by 4 (so our 1g had 3.25*10^12 so the 0.25g will have about 8.10^11 Becquerel activity). This is STILL the same Cs from the start so from our initial testing. Whe
    • The other scary part about this, is colony collapse.

      Colony collapse is the consequence of using neonicotinoides. All other factors contribute a bit, but none as much as those bugkillers.

      That you read so much about other factors is because the producers of neonicotinoides decided years ago to fund an avalanche of studies that should lay the blame on everything but neonicotinoides. It is similar to what happened with the cigarette industry a few decades before. They use science to bury the really relevant insights in order to keep raking in their profits.

      I

  • by SubmergedInTech ( 7710960 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:32AM (#61303756)

    According to Fig.5 in the referenced paper, the radiation dose from cesium was no more than 3.5 times background potassium radiation, and in 90% of samples was below background radiation. In 2/3 of samples it was at least 10x lower than background radiation.

    Now, background radiation itself varies. They found the highest cesium where there was the lowest soil potassium, meaning... 3.5 times the *lowest* background radiation.

    It's like being the smartest person in a room full of idiots. It doesn't actually make you smart in absolute terms. But it's enough to let you write an article for Vice.

  • And is she in the next X-Men movie beside Potassium Iodide Dude?
  • Good job everyone for not making this an excuse to bring up more FUD about nuclear power.

    I do find it interesting that they are mentioning the cesium in the environment from open air nuclear weapons tests but not much about nuclear power accidents, even though the nuclear power accidents were far more recent. Am I getting this right? There's more radioactive cesium in the environment from nuclear weapons testing two half lives ago than from the more recent Chernobyl and Fukushima accidents?

    We can detect t

    • Be careful what you wish for. People are now going to go around and take soil samples from reactor sites where the concrete has been put up but no fuel is even on site yet. They will talk about how much radiation there is in the soil and that it must be from the nuclear power plant, even though there are no radioactive materials yet. This will get discredited quickly for those who have any critical thinking skills, also known as a small majority of the population. When the plant opens, rinse and repeat
    • by necro81 ( 917438 )

      There's more radioactive cesium in the environment from nuclear weapons testing two half lives ago than from the more recent Chernobyl and Fukushima accidents?

      Depends on where you are sampling, and when. There were lots of atmospheric tests, and that fallout was (after years) distributed pretty uniformly worldwide. Folks downstream of Chernobyl and Fukushima definitely had greater exposure to cesium-137 (and other nasty radionuclides, like iodine-131) than from the "background" from nuclear weapons test

  • I downloaded the paper's supplementary datasheet (excel file) and for context the radioactivity of the cesium-137 that is the focus of the paper is 1 or 2 orders of magnitude below the radioactivity from naturally-occurring potassium-40 in the honey. So absolutely no cause for health concern.

  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:08AM (#61303940) Journal

    Interestingly, the researchers "also found an inverse relationship between the amount of potassium naturally occurring in soil and the amount of fallout found in honey," the report says. "Southern states contained three times the amount of fallout that the northern states did. Southern soil doesn't contain much potassium while soil in the north is rich with the stuff.

    This strikes me as a shining example of correlation without causation:
      - The soil in the southern states has lower potassium levels than that in the northern states. This is due to geologic and weather factors over a past interval on a geologic time scale.
      - The fallout is higher in the southern than the northern states because the US atmospheric tests were conducted primarily at the Nevada Test Site, at their approximate latitude. The prevailing winds were from the west, and the tests were generally done when the wind was in its usual direction, toward Indian reservations and Mormon areas (such as St. George Utah), and times when the wind was toward Los Vegas were especially avoided.

    So the correlation appears to be a coincidence of geography, rather than a sign of some underlying mechanism.

    • Cesium and Potassium are both Group 1 cations so they compete for the same biological substrates; the more famous example of this is strontium and calcium in Group 2. Lower availability of potassium means a higher likelihood of cesium being incorporated into a biomolecule. I agree with you that it's more likely related to fallout patterns, but the paper is about apparent concentration of cesium by biological processes. It's not a 'magical' mechanism.
  • Everything is radioactive, everything is a chemical

    We are surrounded by it, we bathe in it every day, the sun is radioactive, the earth is radioactive, our food is radioactive, drinking water is radioactive, the air is radioactive, mothers milk is radioactive. We are radioactive.

    What we should be really concerned about is Dihydromonoxide [wikipedia.org], it is insidious.

  • Get your honey from another country
  • You have to take a banana (also radioactive) and put your honey on that.

  • Just in case anyone wants a mocumentary out of this.

  • The total yield of the french nukes was less than a tenth of the U.S. nukes. Glad you at least decided to tack on your own country there at the end of the list. Forget China, France and the UK! This is on the US and USSR. Can we dispense with nations behaving like gorillas, hammering their chests while making monkey noises and throwing leaves and feces into the air? Thank you.

  • I feel math may not be their strongest field.
  • I remember when they referred to radiation as "Sunshine Units", like it was harmless and maybe even good for you.

  • The fact that there's still radiation from Cs after less than two half lives doesn't seem surprising to me, there's still over 25% of it left. When it comes to half-lives and the question of "how much is left from t_0", why would it ever be surprising? Am I missing why that's surprising to the researchers?

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  • I always thought my honey was hot. Now I know why. But it doesn't explain why my honey thought I was hot, too.

  • My American Honey is RADIOACTIVE! Damn straight she is!

    USA! USA!

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