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After 'Defiant' Reopening, Tesla Plant Had 450 Covid-19 Cases (sfgate.com) 202

The Washington Post reports: Tesla's Bay Area production plant recorded hundreds of covid-19 cases following CEO Elon Musk's defiant reopening of the plant in May, according to county-level data obtained by a legal transparency website.

The document, obtained by the website PlainSite following a court ruling this year, showed Tesla received around 10 reports of covid-19 in May when the plant reopened, and saw a steady rise in cases all the way up to 125 in December, as the disease caused by the novel coronavirus peaked around the country. The revelation follows The Washington Post's reporting in June that there had been multiple covid-19 cases reported at Tesla's facilities in Fremont, Calif., after Musk decided to reopen despite a countywide stay-at-home order, daring officials to arrest him. The data, covering the months between May and December, showed there were around 450 total reported cases. Roughly 10,000 people work at the plant...

Despite around 10 cases in May, according to the data, the health department told The Post in early June that there were no known cases of workplace infections affecting county residents. Tesla and the Alameda County Public Health Department and representatives did not respond to a request for comment...

Tesla also came under fire for its treatment of workers. It had promised they could remain home if they felt uncomfortable returning to the line. The Post reported in late June and July that workers concerned about covid exposure received termination notices after they did not return to work. The data released by Alameda County shows there were 19 reported cases in June and 58 reported cases at the plant in July.

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After 'Defiant' Reopening, Tesla Plant Had 450 Covid-19 Cases

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  • How many died (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 0xdeaddead ( 797696 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:36AM (#61153914) Homepage Journal

    Seriously I get it has wiped out about a hundred million world wide but how many died at Tesla! No doubt this smear campaign is about moving to Texas.

    • Re:How many died (Score:4, Informative)

      by crow ( 16139 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:06PM (#61154000) Homepage Journal

      COVID isn't just about deaths. Many survivors have long-term health problems. And from my friends that have gone through it, it's the worst month of their lives. Looking at just the fatalities is missing much of the story.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Twinbee ( 767046 )

        Many survivors have long-term health problems.

        Are there any stats for that, and how they compare to long term health problems from the ordinary flu?

    • Re:How many died (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Gilgaron ( 575091 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:30PM (#61154076)
      Why do people think death is the only nontrivial outcome of a viral infection?
      • Because death is obviously discrete but other outcomes are hard to measure or categorize. You don't know things that are going to affect people in 10 years, and even what the boundaries of a "long haul" illness would be. We address what we can measure

      • Re:How many died (Score:5, Interesting)

        by jittles ( 1613415 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @03:13PM (#61154574)

        Why do people think death is the only nontrivial outcome of a viral infection?

        Obviously it's the only one that matters. My aunt got polio when she was a child and it didn't kill her so its not a big deal, right? Nevermind the fact that she's had to deal with chronic pain her whole life and has been using a cane to get around since childhood. She has been almost completely bedridden for the last 5-10 years. Insignificant, I tell you.

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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @01:12PM (#61154188)
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      • The entire point of containing a virus is that it spreads through network effects.

        I'm pretty sure they have firewalls to protect Tesla's servers. /s

    • Well how many elderly people did those 450 spread it to?

  • by Vegan Cyclist ( 1650427 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:49AM (#61153940) Homepage

    Typically, billionaires are gonna be billionaires. What are a few lives lost (or severely injured) in the pursuit of even yet just a bit more money?

    From https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-covid-19-skepticism-and-says-he-won-t-take-future-vaccine-1.5126528 [ctvnews.ca] on that reopening:

    When Swisher confronted Musk with the possibility that people would still die in the process, he replied bluntly: "Everybody dies."

    "The question is what, on balance, serves the greater good," Musk continued, adding that the lockdowns did not accomplish that and the pandemic is a "no-win situation."

    Just oozing compassion for his fellow people. Really does come off as Burns.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Indeed. The "greater good" meaning his pile of money. This guy really is a psycho.

      • Indeed. The "greater good" meaning his pile of money. This guy really is a psycho.

        He had essentially the same opportunities that you did, but he's solving many of the worlds problems simultaneously, and making himself rich in the process, and you are not.

        Calling him psycho is indistinguishable from envy.

        • by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @04:15PM (#61154762)

          He had essentially the same opportunities that you did

          As a teenager, I never got pocket money by just grabbing tens of thousands of emeralds from my father's safe from the mine he owned half of and selling them to Tiffany's for cash. I never got a multi-million dollar investment from my dad in my internet startup idea and wasn't in a financial position to become the biggest stockholder in Paypal by continually writing checks even as I was fired for fucking up their tech stack. Nor did I have $250MM to throw into rockets or electric cars when pitched on the ideas.

          To claim that he had the same opportunities is like pointing out anyone could have made an OS monopoly ignoring Gates's mom's friendship with the IBM CEO.

          Calling him psycho is indistinguishable from envy.

          They're totally orthogonal! I call Charles Manson psycho without being envious and I'm envious of Brad Pitt without calling him psycho!

      • by oblom ( 105 )

        Even if he is a psycho talking his own book the point stands. How much harm has been done with these lockdowns? How much benefit? Was there a better strategy available?

    • I mean, I would have no problem holding Musk personally responsible for reopening in spite of a state order and giving each affected family $250 million. That would make him no longer a billionaire.

      • Hmmm.

        Looking at the numbers, we have half the number of covid cases at that factory than we had in the general population. If you worked there, your chances of getting the disease were LOWER than if you were just some random person on the street.

        So, unless he forced people at gunpoint to show up for work, I'm not sure what, exactly, he did that was so terribly evil.

        Note that this is disregarding any laws that may have been broken. Not knowing the relevant laws in the State(s) in question, I have no rea

        • According to the CA Covid dashboard, https://covid19.ca.gov/state-d... [ca.gov], they have 3,523,563 cases. Total population of CA is 39.51 million. That means 8.91% of CA residents were recorded as COVID cases.

          According to the Article Tesla had 450 cases with 10,000 workers. That leads to 4.5% recorded COVID rate. If this is true then Tesla did an incredible job! That is basically 1/2 the general rate of CA as a whole.

          Of course CA is a big state and I did not calculate local rates. And I do not think t
        • What a weird way to look at the problem. Other than ignoring local variations, you're comparing to a rate that includes cashiers and other customer facing jobs.

          So, unless he forced people at gunpoint to show up for work, I'm not sure what, exactly, he did that was so terribly evil.

          If you threaten to take away someones job to coerce them into doing something wrong, that's bad. See also, why sexual harassment laws exist.

          If any State (or Federal) laws were broken, the responsible party (Elon Musk, or whome

  • by esperto ( 3521901 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:52AM (#61153946)

    Musk is doing a lot of interest stuff and pushing boundaries specially in space (which I'm very exited about), but his treatment of workers at tesla and his stance on COVID-19 will go down in history as what not to do, he is really wrong on this, because not only risking the life of the employees, but their family members and causing the pandemic to drag on longer than it should.
    If people followed the lockdowns properly, as it was done in new zealand, china and other places, it would suck bad for a couple of weeks and later you pretty much came back to your old life, just wearing masks in public places until everyone is vaccinated, but these people that go against completely undermine the lockdown and cause it to extend and be a lot less effective and be repeated.

    • Well to be fair, he cares a lot more about money (even though he has more than he will ever need) than he does about other people's health.

      And if you look at it that way, his actions are perfectly reasonable.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Well to be fair, he cares a lot more about money (even though he has more than he will ever need) than he does about other people's health.

        And if you look at it that way, his actions are perfectly reasonable.

        Sure. And his actions are what is usually called "evil" and called something "everybody needs to fight". The US really needs to get over its fascination with money and start calling people with lots of it to account.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:59AM (#61153974)

    The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos, who has a few axes to grind with Elon Musk. But I'm sure that wouldn't slant the reporting at all, for Bezos is an honorable man.

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  • I dodged a bullet (Score:4, Interesting)

    by OzPeter ( 195038 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:30PM (#61154078)

    I had a really good offer to do contract work for Tesla last year. Professionally and financially it would have been great. But it was at this particular Tesla plant, so I passed on it. Now I see from a covid point of view it was a good decision.

    And the the wildfires hit, making it virtually impossible to be outdoors. So even my free time would have really sucked.

    I lament passing on the actual work, but I don’t lament protecting my health.

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      If you are overweight, have underlying medical condition and otherwise in a high-risk category, then that was a good decision. If you are young and healthy individual, you are more likely to be killed in traffic. So hopefully you performed a reasonable risk analysis as part of your decision making process.
  • by Revek ( 133289 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:46PM (#61154108)
    After all that is what was important about the whole situation, right?
    • After all that is what was important about the whole situation, right?

      Firstly he's not, secondly do you think he's the only one who has called for the reopening of the economy? Most people who ran any kind of business have been pushing for this.

  • An infection rate of 4% is not great but it's also not disastrous. I will say this much, the workers should have been given hazard pay for working in a pandemic.

    • I will say this much, the workers should have been given hazard pay for working in a pandemic.

      Or, hear me out, we could not have produced luxury cars during a pandemic-enforced lockout.

      • Or, hear me out, we could not have produced luxury cars during a pandemic-enforced lockout.

        So - give up on our clean energy future? How many deaths would that cause? Deaths from pollution and never-ending wars over oil would far outstrip those saved by keeping this factory closed.

        Tesla is dragging the rest of the auto industry into the EV future, among its other projects.

        This factory had a 4% infection rate, most of which probably happened outside of work, and less than half of the national rate [worldometers.info].

      • I will say this much, the workers should have been given hazard pay for working in a pandemic.

        Or, hear me out, we could not have produced luxury cars during a pandemic-enforced lockout.

        I would have no problem with this if the government were actually providing for people so they didn't have to work, you know, like every other first-world government. Unfortunately, without sane leadership providing money to pay the bills then Tesla workers are damned if they do work and damned if they don't work. I just think they should get something for it.

  • How do the numbers compare to similar factories that were closed down? Without that information there isn't much that can be concluded
  • There is no evidence that says the 450 cases were contracted because the plant remained open.

  • I wonder how many people at the Alameda County Public Health Department recently got new cars, or paid vacas to Ted Cruz's fav spot, or new bank accounts in the Caymans.

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @01:59PM (#61154334) Homepage Journal

    The current COVID-19 total case rate for Alameda County is 4900 per 100,000. If 450 cases occurred among 10,000 workers, that 4500 per 100,000. Taking into account that the county data is more recent, and the Tesla data is older and in very round numbers, the conclusion I'd make is that your chance of getting COVID as a Tesla worker at the plant was approximately the same as your chance of getting COVID as a resident of the surrounding counties.

    But there's a few important caveats before you can take away that conclusion. You can't conclude that going to work had no or little effect on workers' risk because county-wide aggregate numbers may be driven by a small number of high risk groups (it's the old 80/20 rule). So saying that a worker's risk is about average for the county is not the same as saying that in-person work didn't increase their risk. It's possible that they may have moved from a below-average exposure risk category to an average one.

    Another thing to consider is risk to the workers is only part of the calculation in a public health order. There's also impact on the course of the entire epidemic. When the epidemic is on the increase, public health authorities try to set up firewalls to keep it from growing faster. Tesla's re-opening of the Fremont factory was, if I recall correctly, around June, a time at which state and county new cases began to rise sharply.

  • I don't why people think he's so amazing, I really don't. Yes, he's clearly bright -- but he's also got a massive and very frail ego, remember his response to the teacher who called the so-called rescue sub a publicity stunt -- called him a 'pedo' and only backpedaled when people called him out and lawsuits were filed.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]

    He fragile ego reminds me a lot of Trump actually, deflect, defer and attack when called out. Or calls things a success when they just aren't
    https://www.news18 [news18.com]

  • by DevNull127 ( 5050621 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @05:29PM (#61154958)
    One in 22 workers at Tesla got infected with the coronavirus.

    We can argue about whether the ends justifies the means. But that's an incredibly high infection rate.

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