China Builds Massive Covid-19 Quarantine Camp For 4,000 People as Outbreak Continues (cnn.com) 84
China is rushing to build a massive quarantine camp that can house more than 4,000 people, after an outbreak of Covid-19 this month that has left tens of millions of people under strict lockdown. From a report: The quarantine camp is located on the outskirts of Shijiazhuang, the provincial capital of Hebei province, which surrounds the country's capital, Beijing. China has largely contained the spread of the virus, with much of the country returning to normal. However, a sudden rise in cases has alarmed officials and raised concerns ahead of the Lunar New Year, the county's most important annual festival, during which hundreds of millions of people are expected to travel to visit family members. Officials in Shijiazhuang, where the outbreak is centered, have initiated mass testing and strict lockdowns, moving entire villages into centralized quarantine facilities in a bid to curb the spread of the virus.
The new quarantine camp will house close contacts of confirmed Covid-19 patients, as authorities continue an extensive contact tracing and testing program. It was originally planned to house 3,000 people, but has since been expanded to a capacity of 4,160. More than 4,000 construction workers performed "six days' and nights' work" to complete the first phase, said Shijiazhuang Deputy Mayor Meng Xianghong on Tuesday. Authorities began construction on January 13 and the first section of the camp is now complete and ready for use, while construction continues on the second phase, according to state-owned broadcaster CCTV. Each prefabricated room is expected to measure 18 square meters (around 194 square feet), and will come with an en-suite bathroom and shower, desks, chairs, beds, Wi-Fi, and a television set, according to CCTV.
The new quarantine camp will house close contacts of confirmed Covid-19 patients, as authorities continue an extensive contact tracing and testing program. It was originally planned to house 3,000 people, but has since been expanded to a capacity of 4,160. More than 4,000 construction workers performed "six days' and nights' work" to complete the first phase, said Shijiazhuang Deputy Mayor Meng Xianghong on Tuesday. Authorities began construction on January 13 and the first section of the camp is now complete and ready for use, while construction continues on the second phase, according to state-owned broadcaster CCTV. Each prefabricated room is expected to measure 18 square meters (around 194 square feet), and will come with an en-suite bathroom and shower, desks, chairs, beds, Wi-Fi, and a television set, according to CCTV.
Meanwhile in America (Score:1)
Re:Meanwhile in America (Score:4, Interesting)
I've not been to one since the pandemic really got started here around March.
Hell, I"ve not had a hair cut since then...I didn't even venture out to set foot personally into a grocery store till about late August last year and I've not gone that often.
I found that Costco delivers without any delivery fees as does my local liquor store, so, not that much a need to actually go out anywhere where people are and when I do hit the grocery store, I'll go early morning (7am or so) when they open and have it mostly to myself.
I'll be nice once we can get back to normal....I do miss it.
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I say all the anti mask loonies can be relocated to one of those least populated states like Wyoming. Fence it in and let them secede from the USA. Come back in a year and see who is left.
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Fucking sign me up! You guys can keep your authoritarian bullshit, the national debt, and 'responsibility' to play team America world police.
Please hand us some territory and let us secede!
Re:Meanwhile in America (Score:5, Interesting)
Hell's to the yeah! Fuck anyone that doesn't have a pristine immune system! Give me a home where the buffalo roam and the germs are spewed around all day!
I live in a semi-rural area and the pandemic really hasn't happened here. There's something to be said about being spread out.
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Hell's to the yeah! Fuck anyone that doesn't have a pristine immune system! Give me a home where the buffalo roam and the germs are spewed around all day!
I live in a semi-rural area and the pandemic really hasn't happened here. There's something to be said about being spread out.
That might be luck more than anything, rural states aren't as bad, but they're still pretty bad [worldometers.info].
Outside the city you lose the spread from crowded stores and transit, but even in the country people still meet and interact with eachother.
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I live in a semi-rural area and the pandemic really hasn't happened here. There's something to be said about being spread out.
That comes back to bite you when you fall under a national restriction scheme. Many European countries have imposed restrictions based on a grade for a district. E.g. I'm currently in a "high" risk area as my region currently has a caseload of >200 people per 100000 over a 2 week period. One of my friends lives in a rural area (as rural as central europe can get anyway), and one family caught COVID they went from a "low" risk to "high" risk overnight.
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True, but those are stupid rules. During the height of the (admittedly politicized) panic we had people saying you should never leave the house without a mask. Seeing city sidewalks where people are packed like cattle, I get it. That's necessary there. But in my town I could walk out on my front porch and not see another person in any directory most times of the day. I could walk to the store not come with in 100 meters another person on the sidewalk until I'm in front of the store. Wearing a mask wou
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True, but those are stupid rules.
Yes and no. Stupid is having every little tiny mini district do their own thin in the hope of curbing a spread, and the other kind of stupid is making rules insanely complex.
I'd call these rules unfortunately, but not stupid. They are just a trade off between ease of understanding vs universal applicability.
Cow states still eat more then they earn (Score:5, Informative)
"On a per-capita basis, the average Wyoming resident paid about $6,795 in federal taxes in 2010. In return, each resident received, or benefited from an average $11,019 in federal spending"
You can find plenty of articles like the one I pulled this out of, just do a search on something like "Wyoming federal money balance."
People in many rural states continue to tell themselves that it isn't true because feeling independent is part of their self-image. However, the reality is that they are not the wealth-producing engines of the economy.
This was the brilliance of the electrical college system. Because of this system, relatively low value, states would still bear national importance. As such they will continue to receive large subsidies.
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Right keep telling yourself this bullshit. Subsidies distort markets. We are not 50 states we are one nation things are interconnected. If you pulled the federal dollars from those states the state and local governments would have to step in and tax to do it. The productive members of America's bread basket at meat lockers would simply pass those costs onto YOU.
The federal government has designed the system to make your bread, cornflakes, and hamburgers cheap. You simplistic view of federal disbursements
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Of course, those numbers consider federal employee's salaries who work/live in Wyoming as "federal spending". The federal government owns about 48% of the land in Wyoming and Wyoming is the least populous state in the US. Thus, it is not surprising that the "per capita federal spending" in Wyoming would be high due to all the federal employees and contractors required to manage and maintain of the federal lands. As well, don't forget the revenue the federal government gets from its vast mineral rights in Wy
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Do you want a COVID19-carrying neo-confederacy? Because that's how you get a COVID19-carrying neo-confederacy.
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And also ants.
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>Come back in a year and see who is left.
Provided you don't deny them access to medical supplies, somewhere around 98.5% - 99.9% of them.
For those under 70 (the vast majority of the population), the IFR ranges from 0.5% (50-69 yrs.) to 0.003%. For those over 70 it's 5.4%.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru... [cdc.gov]
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I met a guy recently who thought that if we'd let covid run wild 50% of the people would die. He also found masks annoying.
The friendly interpretation would be that he never thought about it that much.
Meanwhile in SouthPark (Score:2)
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I've been to a restaurant once in the past 11 months, for a corporate dinner. We were all express-tested for covid at the entrance and were encouraged to wait till the test stripes developed.
The regular cafeteria in our building is open, with a large distance between tables and hardly any queue.
Of course this is Russia and lots of people ignore the rules, but the choice is yours.
The N@zis had Camps! (Score:1, Flamebait)
The N@zis had Camps!
Look out for things like that happening hear.
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The N@zis had Camps! Look out for things like that happening here.
The Americans already did multiple relocation camps.
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https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/internment-of-japanese-canadians
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According to China (Score:3, Funny)
China has largely contained the spread of the virus according to China.
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China has largely contained the spread of the virus according to China.
Don't be an imbecile. It was contained, and then you get outbreaks. You need quarantine for arrivals, and for people potentially exposed.
A few other countries managed to contain it too, but unless you seal yourself off completely from the outside world, outbreaks will happen, and need to be dealt with.
Here in Australia, the occasional outbreak has been contained so far. It is hard to imagine what things are like in the US and Europe.
Stay safe.
Re:According to China (Score:5, Funny)
It's easier to force quarantine in Australia. People prefer staying indoors since as soon as you step outside everything is trying to kill you.
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I'm pretty sure everyone in Australia has just gotten used to risking their life whenever they go outside. In that way, they had a leg up on 2020, where most of the world had to learn that acceptance.
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It is extremely rare for an animal attack to end in death in Australia. They have antidotes available and in easy access to the point that dying from venom is newsworthy.
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Shhh, don't let the secret out. We like people to believe that Dropbears will kill them at any moment, it's keeps dumb tourists away.
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Don't you have some death tree where the thorns cause so much pain people commit suicide? And that's like the 8th deadliest plant?
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Common sense and distance keeps you out of harms way of most animals and plants.
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Pretty sure - as an Australia - we are sick as fuck over that "joke".
yes there spiders, snakes, crocs, sharks - NONE of which are trying to kill you unless your a cunt to them..
think of something new
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I would be sick too if I lived upside-down.
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Unfortunately when you are a croc everything looks like a cunt.
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I guess it is too late now to insert a hammer/nail analogy in there. Oh well.
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There's a Science Fiction story about exactly that: Deathworld. [wikipedia.org] And there's reason why, as well. It's pretty good, as I remember.
A funny moment is when he's in a practice simulator, sitting on a rock, and mold(?) grows over to him.
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It is hard to imagine what things are like in the US and Europe.
The vast majority of people don't have coronavirus, and haven't gotten it in the US and Europe.
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Even during the worst economic depression in the last century, the vast majority of people still had jobs.
Your point is ?
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Your point is ?
You should read the thread again, read my post in context, and think about that while you do. It will improve your reading comprehension.
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Ok, so, you have no point. Got it.
For a moment there, I thought you were implying that when the vast majority of the population is not directly affected by an event, then said event should be considered irrelevant and simpy ignored.
Silly me.
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Don't be an imbecile. It was contained
Wow, you really believe what China is claiming? That somehow, a country of 1.4 billion people has only 3 deaths/mil? While just about every other country has 100-1000 per mil? And that they have only had three deaths since May?
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Wow, you really believe what China is claiming? That somehow, a country of 1.4 billion people has only 3 deaths/mil?
I don't believe anybody's reported numbers represent actual infection rates. Least of all in the early months of the pandemic.
Even in the US real infection numbers may be 2 or 3 times diagnosed. But this does not mean buying into conspiracy theories.
In China, the reported deaths per million are very low, though higher than nearby Vietnam and Thailand.
The numbers may be way off, but. I don't believe in a massive high-level conspiracy burying thousands of bodies in mass graves.
I will note tha
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I don't believe in a massive high-level conspiracy burying thousands of bodies in mass graves.
Who said anything about 'mass graves'? If a person dies, and there is no COVID test, then they didn't officially die of COVID.
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We would need some pretty strong evidence to believe otherwise. It's hard to cover up tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of illnesses.
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You say that, but the sheer scale of the holocaust (official count 17 million deaths) only came to light four years after it began. China is an extremely fascist nation with a level of control and tracking that the Naz couldn't even dream of and their importance in manufacturing and capitalism means they could ruin many companies by simply saying "Nope. Not making your product anymore."
A few men in nice suits saying "This man died in a car crash tonight" while pointing at a covid patient would be all it wou
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You say that, but the sheer scale of the holocaust (official count 17 million deaths) only came to light four years after it began.
If there were smartphones and internet around during WWII, I suspect we would've found out the day they finished construction from all of the selfies workers took. Not to mention we have both government spy satellites and commercial satellites providing constant surveillance now.
China is an extremely fascist nation with a level of control and tracking that the Naz couldn't even dream of and their importance in manufacturing and capitalism means they could ruin many companies by simply saying "Nope. Not making your product anymore."
Extremely Fascist? So you don't even know the first thing about China. Or Fascism for that matter.
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>Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
>Great Firewall of China
>Mandatory government holdings in chinese companies
>Interference in international companies that upset china
>June 4 1989 Massacre
>Persecution of Muslims
>Persecution of Tibetans
>The attack on Hong Kong
>False claims to
lockdown (Score:5, Insightful)
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Lockdown can reduce the spread only for a little of time. I'm not against it but it is not the solution
It can't work because it only takes one case to start up again. We were supposed to be "Flattening the Curve". Instead it's been a year long lockdown. And counting. 2020 was the worst year of my life and I didn't even catch it.
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It can't work because it only takes one case to start up again. We were supposed to be "Flattening the Curve". Instead it's been a year long lockdown. And counting. 2020 was the worst year of my life and I didn't even catch it.
That single case can be contained with Test & Trace. Sadly only about 10 countries in the world have managed to set up a competent tracing system. That is why you are still in lockdown and the vast majority of China is not.
Kudos to Australia and New Zealand. Boos to every other Western-style democracy.
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Flattening the curve was supposed to only be until testing was available at needed capacity. But apparently people can't hold two thoughts in their head. Once test and trace is up and working, one can ease out of the lockdown. But in the US the idiot politicians in charge just ignored the public health officials and pushed to relax restrictions with no regard for whether test & trace (standard epidemic management) was ready or whether any particular restriction made sense. They went so far as threat
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Lockdown can reduce the spread only for a little of time. I'm not against it but it is not the solution
Look at countries who have succeeded. Lockdowns are a useful short-term measure, allowing contact-tracers and testing to get on top of the problem and eliminate transmission.
Unfortunately, in some parts of the world who have failed to control the disease, lockdowns are now a tool for stopping the hospital system from collapsing.
Never let Perfect be the enemy of Good (Score:2)
If the US gov't was smart we'd commandeer e
Re:Neatherlands, who's an island nation with relat (Score:2)
Did you perhaps mean New Zealand?
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The Netherlands is an island nation??? When did that happen? Seems to me the last time I looked at a map of Europe, the Netherlands were attached to Germany and Belgium....
And whatever makes you think people from the Netherlands don't do international travel? Or that very few people travel to the Netherlands from elsewhere?
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The Netherlands is an island nation??? When did that happen? Seems to me the last time I looked at a map of Europe, the Netherlands were attached to Germany and Belgium....
And, for that matter, Netherlands wasn't particularly good at containing the virus, either. Their infection rate peaked at about 67 new cases per day per 10K population; not much different than the US peak of 76 (although their peak occurred roughly 3 weeks earlier).
Re: Never let Perfect be the enemy of Good (Score:2)
We just got a curfew in the Netherlands to try stopping the English strain. On top of all the other restrictions.
They claimed R zero of 1.3 for this new strain and when asked how do they know that a curfew would be effective the answer was that other nations imposing curfews have seen 8 to 16 percent decrease in infections. How that is gonna help to bring that 1.3 to below 1 with these percentages I leave to you to calculate.
They also claimed that 3 weeks from now all medics and everyone above 80 yrs old wo
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It never was the goal. Lockdown is there to slow down the propagation to a point where it is manageable by public health system, not to get rid of the pandemic.
Of course, if your country doesn't have a widely accessible public health system, you don't see why it's useful. But that's not the case of almost all developed countries.
car analogies abound (Score:2)
I don't think anyone in the scientific or medical community claimed that a lockdown could eliminate the virus. In 2020 I heard the phrase "flatten the curve" maybe 500 times. The amount of lockdown you need depends on how quickly you're approaching your hospital capacity. And you need to feather the brakes long before you approach the curve because it takes weeks from exposure to ending up the hospital.
People are incredibly stupid. If you take action before there is a problem, then you're some kind of alarm
Re: car analogies abound (Score:2)
Canada Too! (Score:2)
Canada also has a tender out (#W8486-195737/A [buyandsell.gc.ca]) for "Chemical Riot Control Agents", as part of it's response to Covid.
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First of all, the Canadian one is an RFI for quarantine hotels for traveller arrivals - read the attached PDF. It is similar to what most countries did in the early stage of the COVID19 response. Some of it was absolutely improvised like UK where they used a conference centre + hotel without any biosecurity in the middle of a major city (Milton Keynes). Some of it was clearly prepared in advance and declared as something with a different purpose - Russia housed the evacuees in a "
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Different kettle of fish....
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You're funny. Your county has detention camps now with even more people imprisoned in them, your country even built concentration camps in WW II for innocentJapanese citizens.
But 'Muh Red Scare'... hahaha
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I think you need to read this.
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Right, not relevant and a fallacy to point out guy saying "China Bad for Making Comfy Place for Infected People to Live" when his own country is making actual shithole internment camps...
actually, it is relevant and you need to fuck off.
Slick intermodal container form-factor modules. (Score:3)
The "floor, post and panel" construction is designed for easy fabrication in the 20ft standard height intermodal container form factor. Unlike conventional containers these break down for transport so more fit on container haulers and flatbeds. This is much more efficient than hauling individual containers.
That modular construction is rugged, efficient and easy to modify onsite with common tools. Being steel it's far more rugged than US-style FEMA or industrial office trailers. It's also easy to recycle and the components can be welded into all sorts of structure not envisioned by the designers. The corner fittings make for easy handling and convenient connection using industry standard fittings. If they're made of the usual Corten steel they can last decades in static use and are easy to maintain and repair.
The article isn't otherwise of much value and won't be of use to anyone's daily life but since Slashdot used to be a tech site (and individuals can affordably build container structures, they make terrific instant workshop spaces, I have three 40' High Cubes for the extra ceiling height) the modular construction is worth mentioning. Their design is easy for shops already producing shipping containers to fabricate on existing assembly lines and capacity idled by current events can be immediately put to use.
If anyone has detailed info on how they're made and good assembly videos please post links. They're simple enough someone building a container structure could fab their own panels to integrate with standard containers to roof over external space (like between containers). Most of it's obvious at a glance but China used these long enough to work out the kinks.
While they could have used larger 40' form factors those are more difficult for small crews to handle while 20' are easy to transport on common straight trucks instead of expensive travelling axle trailers (typically used for delivery in CONUS).
Intermodal Container (Score:2)
Aren't these the same that is used to make container hotels, and even featured for cheap student housing in nations like Netherlands?
Its certainly impressive that they can start these massive build projects without months of projection/planning and waiting for crews to finish their previous construction projects.
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I dont think so, it looks like they are using the parts that one would use to build an insulated container and assembling the container on site. Probably so they dont have to deal with cutting out the walls to make them work for this project (or have 2 sets of insulated walls back to back wasting space).
I have heard rumors that containers are in short supply (to the point where they factories in Asia are paying to have empty containers shipped back so they can fill and send them), perhaps it's because the f
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The traveling axle trailers are only really used to move containers where the driver is not guaranteed equipment to load and unload.
Otherwise they use specialized container chassis trailer (if they need to unload at a standard dock), or a drop deck trailer (if it will be unloaded with equipment) which are much cheaper and more commonly available.
Equipment wise, anyone with equipment enough to level a site like that should have no problem moving empty containers around that are either 20' or 40', they are 50
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The parts appear custom but minimally modified. The floors and roofs look like flat rack container bases but not as heavily reinforced for which of course there's no need in that application.
I'd like to see more details especially the wall panel variations and internals. Some were visible in other posts showing their prefab hospital units but knowing how they integrated (and how much they prebuilt) power, HVAC and hospital-specific plumbing like oxygen would be interesting.
I of course agree they should have
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Different shaped rooms (perhaps "almost square" rooms with 2 per container in that photo vs one long narrow room in the CNN photo. Both with a center hallway to access the rooms) but otherwise very similar. Perhaps longer term quarantine of ambulatory patients vs a hospital bed and equipment for patients who cannot leave the bed?
The photo you linked to appears to have foam panel walls (2-4" of closed cell foam with metal or plastic on the "inside" and "outside" of the foam). They are generally about 44" wid
The state broadcaster is CCTV? (Score:1)
In China, television watches you.
My opinion (Score:1)