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Pfizer, BioNTech Covid Vaccine Wins European Backing (bloomberg.com) 50

Pfizer and BioNTech SE's Covid-19 vaccine won the backing of a key European review panel, clearing the way for inoculations to start before the end of the year as the continent struggles with rising death rates and tighter lockdowns. From a report: The endorsement was announced in a news briefing by the European Medicines Agency on Monday. The final step in approval is a sign-off from the European Commission. European Union leaders pushed the regulator to speed up its review amid complaints that residents across the continent were still waiting to get a vaccine -- pioneered in Germany -- that is already being used in the U.K. and U.S. The goal is to start a European immunization campaign on Dec. 27, commission President Ursula von der Leyen said last week. Monday's recommendation puts the EU in position to meet that timeline. The commission last week signaled it would give the official go-ahead for distribution to start no later than two days after the agency's sign-off.
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Pfizer, BioNTech Covid Vaccine Wins European Backing

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  • by Voice of satan ( 1553177 ) on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:04AM (#60853582)

    At least in one EU country, the inoculations were supposed to start the 5 January. Does advancing them to the 27 December accomplishes much ? That said. Good on them if they can respect that date.

    What i worry about are the antivaxxers. Their numbers seem very high everywhere and especially in France. We need 70+% inoculation rates in a time span short enough so the first vaccinated do not lose their immunity before the last ones get their shot. Or else the most vulnerable will serve as a human reservoir that will threaten us all. We need to inoculate most of the population and that includes the poor countries.

    • Each additional day of waiting results in hundreds of corpses, so yep, it does accomplish much.
      Compulsory vaccination is one of the few things I miss from the GDR.

      • We're getting there. Most of the population base their views almost entirely on what they are told by what I call "state-sponsored / corporate influencers", and some now even feel actively offended for being expected to think for themselves. So much so, that nutjobs actively ruin the concept of independent thinkers by calling themselves that, and poisoing that well. ("Querdenker" means "nutjob" now. Yay. Thanks, nutjobs! Next time use a better term, please!)

        So soon, you don't need to make it compulsory anym

    • by real_nickname ( 6922224 ) on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:51AM (#60853712)
      We don't know how long the immunity last, it seems to be longer than what expected (3 months then maybe 1 year then maybe 3 years, only good news so far). Last time I read about it, the herd immunity is expected at 60%. Antivax are not n immediate problem. Currently the biggest problem is infrastructure. Next problem, a lot of people are not antivax but are frightened by the speed at which the vaccine has been developped (and we have to protectect these people from antivax fake news).

      Also having older people vaccinated first may give a big relief to intensive care and decrease the death rate.
      • We don't know how long the immunity last, it seems to be longer than what expected (3 months then maybe 1 year then maybe 3 years, only good news so far). Last time I read about it, the herd immunity is expected at 60%. Antivax are not n immediate problem. Currently the biggest problem is infrastructure. Next problem, a lot of people are not antivax but are frightened by the speed at which the vaccine has been developped (and we have to protectect these people from antivax fake news). Also having older people vaccinated first may give a big relief to intensive care and decrease the death rate.

        You have to be careful with the 60% herd immunity number because a simple mean of 60% won't achieve the goal, and if there are pockets of the virus and the vaccine is only effective for 3 years it is able to reemerge.

    • Yes, with exponential curves, it always does, and every day counts.
      E.g. if you expect something as bad as a daily doubling, 9 days would mean only 0.2% the damage (100/2^9). (Ignoring that ramping up vaccinating will take a bit of time, and that it's definitely not doubline every day. This is just to make the general point.)

    • Does advancing them to the 27 December accomplishes much ?

      Assuming that the inoculation is the endgame for getting lives back to normal advancing that timeline by a week very much does accomplish a lot.

  • by fbobraga ( 1612783 ) on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:05AM (#60853586) Homepage
    ... the presidential fungus is making a FUD campaign against the vaccine (that "it's dangerous, can change DNA of people!" - that's the motive of jokes about alligators in memes [yeap: he said that "the vaccine can turn people in alligators"] - and every brazillian citizen will have to sign a consent form before take the shots... - he, speak that he will not take the shots of the vaccine himself).
    This, besides that we have a Military General as our Health Ministry (that don't question any order from the president, odd as that may seem): this ministry is an army "supply-chain expert" that are leaving public healthcare units without basic supplies to make the vaccination campaign (like syringes and cotton...)

    * I'm jealous that USA citizens take off his presidential fungus in 2020 already...
    • by ffkom ( 3519199 )
      Signing consent forms is also good practice in Europe, and nothing wrong with it.

      Regarding Bolsonaro: While he may be a religious lunatic and is certainly giving bad advice, he did at least personally share the risk he wants everyone else to take. That is much unlike many other country's leaders, who share neither the financial nor the health risks of the policy they make in this pandemic.
      • For private vaccination, maybe, signing consent forms are not a problem; but for a public vaccination campaign, it's far from useless (help only to spread FUD, and maybe are illegal...)
    • From Europe to Brazil, you have my sympathies. Corona as is, is nasty enough. Topped off with a big dose of Bolsonaro,... dang!
  • Sorry, everyone outside, we know that the subcontinent Europe ends at the Ural, due to that being where the common cultural border is. But our imperialist fascists are currently spreading this reality distortion like crazy, just because they are in a dick size contest with some Moscovian dictator that you have as much in common with as we do with a certain Washington/London/Berlin/Paris Punch-and-Judy show.

    (Let's see whose deciples/livestock got mod points to waste on their programmed triggers. :)

  • The vaccine has been approved by the regulatory body so is, presumably, deemed safe. Why does it take another two days for a bunch of political appointees to approve distribution? In fact, why are they involved at all?
    • by dbialac ( 320955 )
      No idea, but we sat through the same thing here in the US. It would have taken longer, but the Orange Man came down of the FDA with his hammer.
  • With the Solarwinds debacle showing open source security is better than an opaque box (more eyeballs, etc), are we going to know the full molecular makeup of Covid-19 vaccines? Genetic sequences, chemical composition, everything? Or will governments pay big money to trust closed source again with billions of lives ?

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