US Air Pollution Monitoring Network Falling Into Disrepair (reuters.com) 97
The U.S. air pollution monitoring network has fallen into disrepair after years of budget cuts and neglect, leaving tens of millions of Americans vulnerable to undetected bad air quality from events like wildfires to industrial pollution, according to a report by the investigative arm of Congress. Reuters: The conclusions from a 2-1/2-year audit by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) confirm key findings in a Reuters special report published last week that detailed broad failures in the air-pollution monitoring system, whose data guides U.S. regulatory policy and informs the public about health risks. Federal funding for the air monitoring network, which is overseen by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and operated and maintained by state and local environmental agencies, has declined by about 20% since 2004, after adjusting for inflation, leaving it in poor condition, according to the GAO report viewed by Reuters. The GAO report said some agencies have reported termite damage and leaky roofs at shelters housing sensitive but aging pollution monitoring equipment, and one state agency resorted to shopping on eBay to find used monitor parts because the manufacturer had stopped making them.
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No you didn't lose your chance. Contrary to what many people think, it doesn't matter if the orange clown in chief keeps throwing a tantrum, repeating lies does not make them true.
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false dichotomy. The opposite of Trump isn't Biden/Obama. The real world is much more complicated (and messed up) than that.
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false dichotomy. The opposite of Trump isn't Biden/Obama. The real world is much more complicated (and messed up) than that.
Indeed. This is really just a choice between "bad" and "worse". The whole 2-party system with a very conservative one and a fundamentalist conservative one is badly broken.
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You're clearly and objectively confused, AC, good 'ol Joe will on Day One start reversing all the damage and atrocities that Trump has committed; unlike the liar, criminal, and traitor that Trump has always been, Joe Bidens' administration really will 'make America great again', and make America sane again. You'll see.
Meanwhile you should seek professional psychological/medical help for your Syndrome. I'd suggest Xanax, bed rest, and staying away from
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good 'ol Joe will on Day One start reversing all the damage and atrocities that Trump has committed; unlike the liar, criminal, and traitor that Trump has always been, Joe Bidens' administration really will 'make America great again', and make America sane again. You'll see.
... :-) Looking for the sarcasm tag...
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Why are we worried about air pollution monitoring? With Biden taking the presidency, we can all rest assured that all the Obama era climate change and pollution regulations will come back into full force, plus new ones! It's going to be just like the good ol' days. In fact, we might as well just take the pollution monitoring network down right now, as it will surely be unnecessary and obsolete.
Regardless of your feelings on strong pollution regulations, pollution monitoring is still necessary so you know how bad (or good) things are. And not all of our pollution comes from domestic sources.
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Biden is rather moderate on Environmental Actions where a lot of Liberals are pissed off at him for not going far enough. However, I expect he is applying a pragmatic approach to the problem.
Despite Conservative News Fear mongering sponsored by Exon, where the Big Government is going to take away you favorite Car, force you into into taking a Bus to work, and plant so many trees that you have to hike everywhere and not see the sunlight. The problem is more complex that just switching to Solar Electric, an
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Why are we worried about air pollution monitoring?
Yep. Everybody's wearing masks so pollution doesn't matter any more.
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You need to do pollution monitoring to confirm that your pollution regulations are both being followed and working.
Re:Entire US is falling into disrepair (Score:4, Interesting)
No you didn't lose your chance. Contrary to what many people think, it doesn't matter if the orange clown in chief keeps throwing a tantrum, repeating lies does not make them true.
I'm assuming that the missed chance was either A. the chance to bring in an independent or B. the chance to swing the Senate blue, depending on the GP's particular political persuasion. After all, no one sane could believe that reelecting the same person who let these problems happen would have been changing things. :-)
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Only ten house incumbents lost their race, three senators... That's horrible. We blew the chance to empty that swamp
Independents only received 1.7% according to the count. Maybe there really is some fraud, just not what they're talking about on the TV's DNC/GOP "news" channels
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Even the summary says that the decline was measured against 2004. Bush and Obama were not even running. Why do you think they would get re-elected?
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Missed again our chance to change direction last month.
You mean when the Arecibo radio telescope structurally failed and collapsed due to lack of funding for maintenance? Perhaps the US can put the money it wasn't providing for that to this, but I'm not holding my breath.
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How would we know emissions have fallen if the sensors are malfunctioning?
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Because failing doesn't mean failed and not all of them are failing.
For example, some of them are in termite ridden housing. They will keep working until structural collapse.
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:-) Took me a second, almost said something, but I caught it..
Re:Entire US is falling into disrepair (Score:4, Interesting)
I wish we could get people to understand the damage bad air and water does to them, but we can't even get them to wear masks when nearly 3k are dying a day.
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The only problem being that they're not just killing themselves off, they're taking 'X' number of people down with them, as they run amok spreading the gods-be-damned virus all over the place like some human super-soaker, spraying it everywhere.
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I'm guessing these are Russians (Score:2)
Also please don't mod me or parent up, mod any thread you see like this down. That way the thread isn't visible and the ideas don't have a chance to spread.
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This is just assuming that the persons saying these sorts of things are just wing-nuts.
Now let's consider the intentional 'influencers' of various kinds: foreign nationals being
They seldom get themselves killed (Score:2)
So most of these people get it, get sick, spread it around and get over it. Then it's the hapless schelps they spread it to who die. That's why we can't get it under control. If getting sick were a death sentence for these folks it'd already be done and done.
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Missed again our chance to change direction last month.
You mean like that direction was changed for the worse the last 4 years?
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It has been a continuation of the last 50... and reelecting 40 year incumbents is not going to change anything for the better. If we want the swamp drained, we have to do it ourselves, and once again, we blew it, only removed 13 in a vain attempt to do nothing more than set the clock back.
The important work of building yachts.and palaces (Score:2)
It’s simple. (Score:3)
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It's true for coronavirus. Less testing means fewer cases. Donald said so. [rolls eyes so far back in head that they get stuck]
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That joke would have been funny back when it was possible to believe people couldn't be stupid enough to think that way.
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and I don’t want to talk to a scientist, y’all motherf-kers lyin', and gettin' me pissed
I used to think that line was a joke (Score:2)
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Indeed. And the effects current research finds from these micro-particles are somewhere between bad and worse.
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When Shrub was governator of Texas he changed reporting of chemical releases from mandatory to voluntary. He then took credit for a 55% reduction in chemical spills. That's math, as done by conservatives.
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Just like how Ronnie Raygun "fixed" inflation and unemployment: they changed the way they were measured.
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You are right! Just as Covid-19 goes away if you do not test...
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Pollution regulations interfere with the plutocrat's profits, and so they buy pro-pollution law-makers and judges.
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Correction: should be "plutocrats' profits".
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Pollution regulations interfere with the plutocrats' profits, and so they buy pro-pollution law-makers and judges.
Now tell the Plutonians [fandom.com] that Pluto isn't a planet and get them really riled up.
We already knew... (Score:2)
Crowdsourced (Score:4, Informative)
If you want to help address the government's failings, you can join the Purple air quality monitoring network:
https://www2.purpleair.com/ [purpleair.com]
$250 buys a Wifi enabled sensor that you can mount outdoors.
There are other crowdsourced networks too, but Purple is the one I'm most familiar with -- I used their website during the last wildfire season, several of my neighbors have sensors, so it gave very localized information.
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Yes, but that makes a Commie globalist who is out to destroy America and make Baby Jesus cry.
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Because the US doesn't believe in climate change. Global warming, climate change, that's leftist propaganda, and the only thing on the left are Democrats, Socialists and Commies. And everyone knows leftists are bad.
Whereas Republicans are true red-blooded Americans driving trucks that belch sm
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Plus one on this concept, and plus one to purpleair. Pollution (air, water, land) is the perfect use-case for crowd sourcing. First, the individual is incentivized to spend their own money because you want to know how this pollutant is affecting your neighborhood, your house, etc versus some distant place. Second, the cost is very reasonable (aka doesn't require a mass spectrometer or something) , and lastly, in the case of PurpleAir the cost to contribute your information to overall effort is negligibl
West Coast sure does pollute a lot (Score:2)
Wish they were as clean as Texas and no I'm not being sarcastic.
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Wish they were as clean as Texas and no I'm not being sarcastic.
In what way? This site [usnews.com] ranks Texas 40 overall, 28th in industrial toxins and 48 in pollution health risk. Compared to 9, 5, and 19 respectively for California.
On what scale does Texas rank cleaner than California? Looking at one week averages on the Purple site show most of California and Texas in the ~50-60 range except for the Central Valley of California where I suspect that weather conditions are holding pollutants lower to the ground.
It's hard to do a direct comparison since California is much better c
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In what way? This site ranks Texas 40 overall,
I'm sorry, but we are supposed to trust anything from a site that ranks California 19th overall in air quality?
I don't know -- do you have more information to provide? I gave my references.
The real question is, why the hell are you talking about states instead of which are the most polluted cities [stateoftheair.org]...
I quoted the reply I was responding to, he said "Texas", not "some cities in Texas". So why are you talking about cities when clearly he's talking about states?
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Same. State information was extremely coarse grain, both spatially and temporally, which made it extremely inaccurate during the fires. I built a smart clock out of an old laptop to have air quality continuously displayed on my wall (along with time, weather, ...) so that we'd be able to tell kids go outside when air quality was good. Sometimes, they had a 10-20 minutes windows between 2 very bad peaks (going from 200 to 80 to 200). Purple air has a free API to query with JSON, so it's very easy to leverage
The fine article... (Score:3)
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Poor W. Even the trolls forgot about his presidency.
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Do you think the US is a dictatorship? At best, Obama had real power for two years. After that, the Senate impeded most of his agenda. And it isn't as if the Democrats are as unified as the Republicans, so being in power only goes so far. He did get Obamacare passed in this time, but that used up all his time and energy. I am not saying he didn't do anything in the other 6 years, just that it was really much more limited. He couldn't even get his Supreme Court nominee a hearing (let alone a vote).
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Obamacare? You mean Romneycare, don't you? That was its original name when Democrats thought it terrible that Massachusetts was going to force the poor to pay for healthcare. Just a few years later they declared the same insurance company wet-dream to be the best thing ever to happen to consumers after their "leadership" declared "Single payer is off the table" with absolutely no debate or public input.
Obama was probably the most pitiful excuse for a "democrat" that I've seen in 50 years of watching poli
Like the Arecibo Observatory.. the country crumble (Score:3)
Like the Arecibo Observatory.. the country crumbles..
Each month that goes by, infrastructure and technology that was leading edge, crumbles, the homeless camps proliferate (some parts of California now have real favela!) and the US resembles places like Brazil more and more, rather than a leading developed country.
I wonder if the disintegration of the Roman Empire was like this..
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Yes, complete with the military budgets and hiring mercenaries by the thousand.
Re:Like the Arecibo Observatory.. the country crum (Score:4, Informative)
Oddly enough, yes it was. There are direct parallels between then and now. In both cases there were rulers whose only goal was enriching themselves and the Senate was too impotent and/or weak to reign them in. Both grew heavy with debt as corruption and warfare took hold, and the people were held in check by insignificant handouts.
As each succeeding administration was unable, unwilling or didn't care to make amends, the problems compounded until no one bothered to do more than was necessary to keep the wheels turning. Money was no longer invested in infrastructure but instead funneled to pockets (see corruption above) of those in power who used that money to corrupt the system further through bribes and other inducements to their friends and allies.
Right now we would be at the Caesar stage, though obviously the con artist is in no way comparable in any fashion to Caesar other than narcissism and his ability to drive the country into debt.
As we saw with Rome, after about 40 AD its slow disintegration picked up pace until the original entity disappeared three centuries later, replaced by an even more impotent and incompetent administration which also went by the wayside.
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Yes, but if we fixed such things the important things wouldn't get done, such as increasing a wealthy person's stash.
No monitoring makes this easier (Score:3)
Anyone who doesn't think there's any linkage between monitoring being in disrepair and this article from today [washingtonpost.com] is exceedingly naive.
Setting the Stage for Revolution (Score:1, Interesting)
One purpose of popular government is to solve some of the problems that come with more traditional forms of rule, like aristocracy. A people ruled by a good king are happy, but a people ruled by a despotic or inept king are not just unhappy with the results, but frustrated at the lack of options. Waiting for the king to die of old age or perish in an unfortunate hunting accident is not a satisfactory solution.
Similarly, rule by a strongman or a military coalition offers no way to redress grievances, at leas
Re:Setting the Stage for Revolution (Score:4, Funny)
I honestly think that the RNC bribed the voting machine companies to lose the Oval Office because they don't want to clean up this clusterfuck. It's going to dreadful for the next four years and Biden is going to get the blame.
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Perhaps our only hope is for a system of government where the ruling class (however they may come to power) have limited powers. You might not like their political stance. But it really doesn't matter since they have little influence over your life.
And now we return you to our regularly scheduled topic ...
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Democrats, for example, are promising to amnesty tens of millions of illegal aliens [...] Exactly no one voting in either party wants any of this
Be careful about applying your beliefs to others.
There's plenty of us Evil Satanic Socialists...er...Democrats who believe in "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".
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Oh good copy pasta being modded +5 now.
Budgetary priorities for state agencies (Score:2)
Really, unless funding from the EPA specifically states what the money can and cannot be used for then it's up to the states to use that money for whatever is related to that program.
It sounds like the states are prioritizing their staff salaries, not maintenance, which is typical of state-administered stuff; for any state, but definitely Democratic-leaning states, infrastructure maintenance is not something they want to spend money on.
Think it's a problem? Complain to your governor. We don't really want th
There is a 'crowdsourced' alternative (Score:3)
If it's of serious importance to you, you can of course purchase the equipment and participate in the network yourself.
Something I should point out however is that you have to take all the readings of all kinds you see on Weather Underground with a grain of salt, because it is private citizens purchasing their own equipment, and you can't guarantee that it's all installed optimally for optimal accuracy (an AQI monitor mounted in a location that doesn't get good airflow could give false readings), or that it's maintained adequately to give accurate readings, but the fact that it's crowdsourced means that you can see the outliers and decide for yourself if you should count them as 'accurate' or not. Where I live the County maintains a small network of AQI monitoring stations of their own, and they often conflict with what WU network stations are reporting. But having access to more data from more sources isn't a bad thing.
Lastly I'd like to point out that you can buy hand-held portable air-quality monitors for a couple hundred dollars. With all the wildfires in my state this year and with how much time I spend outdoors I was concerned enough for my health to purchase one. If you do you'll be surprised at what the air quality is also like inside your own home (or car, or workplace), too, especially CO2 levels, which can be 2, 3, 5 or more times what it is outside (outside it's typically ~400ppm). High CO2 levels can make you feel drowsier and less alert; hard time waking up in the morning? Might be related.
As a sidebar to the subject of indoor air quality, I've read that having houseplants can remove some CO2 and other substances in the air inside your house. It's something I've personally been considering.
Re:There is a 'crowdsourced' alternative (Score:4, Interesting)
As a sidebar to the subject of indoor air quality, I've read that having houseplants can remove some CO2 and other substances in the air inside your house. It's something I've personally been considering.
After a cooking adventure left my apartment smelling like a spice aisle for 3 days, I bought a Pothos [gardeningknowhow.com]. It quickly absorbed all the smell. It's been extremely easy to care for, and despite my neglect I haven't been able to kill it over the last 22 years. It's moved with me several times, been locked inside a freezing moving van for days, and today does its job in my kitchen/living room.
So, if you want a plant to scrub the air for you with extremely low effort on your part, I can recommend a pothos.
OMG cuts cuts cuts Not sure about (Score:3)
Considering I don't trust anything government officials or the media(our so called journalist) say. And this article has no links to any data, the reports or anything to support their positions.
This is not worth the time to read.
The mantra of conservative anti-science... (Score:2)
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On the plus-side, these morons will exterminate themselves. On the minus-side, there are too many of them and they will likely take everybody else with them.
We've been igoring 24,000 deaths/yr for decades (Score:3)
That's the estimated early-death toll from asthma, increased heart attacks, strokes, and so on. The numbers tick up in every downwind plume from coal plants and other soot sources.
If we could really internalize that as a loss, rather than "oh, that's just life", we'd have gone to extraordinary lengths to switch to nuclear, or anything non-soot-emitting, decades ago. France went nuclear in the 1970s, of course, with great success.
Just sayin'.
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" France went nuclear in the 1970s, of course, with great success."
Yeah, great success, I live 4 miles from one of their uninsured reactors and I'm not even in France.
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Ok. Sounds like if it's stull running from the 1970's its working well. That's alot of carbon not in the air.
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Yes and lots of jobs for a million years to guard the ashes.
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The topic is people dying from soot, so let's take that 24,000/yr for the States and divided down to about 5,000 a year for the French population. Times 40 years is around 200,000 Frenchmen that are above ground, enjoying that low-carbon (low-soot!) air.
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Is that all? You can't even get the country to give a fuck about 280000 deaths in 9 months. 24000/year is basically irrelevant. Some must die so others can buy a new superyacht.
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