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Scientists Discover Two New Mammals in Australia (cnet.com) 27

CNET reports: Two new species of greater glider, a cat-size marsupial that lives in the forests of Australia, have been discovered after scientists ran DNA tests on new tissue samples of the animals. A new study published in Nature's public access Scientific Reports journal details the findings...

Using genetic sequencing tests from tissue samples taken from various gliders found in areas of Queensland, Victoria, as well as museum specimens, researchers were able to confirm differences in the gliders' DNA... The new study focusing on the genetics of greater gliders found three distinct species living in the southern, central and northern areas of Australia. Researchers from Australian National University, the University of Canberra, CSIRO and James Cook University worked together on the study.

"There has been speculation for a while that there was more than one species of greater glider but now we have proof from the DNA. It changes the whole way we think about them," study researcher Denise McGregor told The Guardian.

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Scientists Discover Two New Mammals in Australia

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  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Sunday November 08, 2020 @06:46PM (#60700864)

    Since this is Australia, will they try to kill you?

    • As they are from the glider family probably not, they are more like our Drop bears, it will be the snakes and spiders that get you while you are looking up to try and see one.
      • by quenda ( 644621 )

        Indeed, the dropbear is the only deadly mammal in Australia.
        Snakes and spiders kill a few, but all the really deadly stuff is in the water: sharks, crocodiles, box jellyfish, Irukandji, blue-ring octopus, cone shells, stonefish, ...
        If visiting Australia, *never* enter the water.

  • Differences in DNA do not make something a different species. Otherwise yo momma is a different species that you! (Cue the "ba-dum, tiss".)

    AFAIK the accepted definition is that they can't reproduce with one another to produce offspring that themselves can reproduce. (Otherwise horses and donkeys would be the same species.)

    So, what I want to know: If they look exactly the same, and only differ in their DNA ... which TFS kinda implies ... can they produce fertile offspring or not?

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Politics.

      It's a new species if it is endangered in a certain ecosystem. Even if it is an invasive pest in the next valley over.

    • by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Sunday November 08, 2020 @08:25PM (#60701126)

      There are around a dozen different versions of the definition of 'species', even Darwin was dubious about what the actual definition should be although the concept itself is useful. Pigeon fanciers (of which Darwin was one) argue about whether rock doves, tumblers, fantails, etc. should be considered different species or not. Even things so basic as the number of cervical vertebrae vary from one to the other, and if left alone they refuse to mate with each other. On the other hand they're mutually fertile if forced to mate. The same with grizzly bears, polar bears and brown bears. Different life styles, refuse to mate with each other if given a choice, but mutually fertile. Are they one species, or three?

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        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          Depends on the genetics of the critters involved. Some small percentage of mules are fertile and can have offspring, so are horses and burros the same species? Great Danes and Chihuahuas are unable to mate, and if artificially inseminated there are no offspring, so are they different species? The whole topic is a mess, and five biologists will have seven different opinions on where to draw the line.

      • In human circles, that's called race. But then, what constitutes race is rife with politics and a whole different can of worms. 8)

    • When it comes to species, says biological anthropologist Rebecca Ackermann, “forget everything you learned in high school.” The classic textbook definition, known as the biological species concept, is a group of organisms that only produce fertile offspring with one another. By this rule, domesticated dogs are a single species — whether dachshund or Great Dane — but a donkey and a horse are not. Ackermann, a professor at South Africa’s University of Cape Town, favors a different definition that’s not dependent on successful sex: a group of organisms sharing a mix of anatomical, behavioral and genetic traits that distinguishes them from other groups.

      -- Discover Magazine [discovermagazine.com]

    • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Sunday November 08, 2020 @09:46PM (#60701374)

      AFAIK the accepted definition is that they can't reproduce ...

      No, outdated because it is not useful.
      Here, scientists mean that DNA tests have shown there are separate populations living in the same area that do not interbreed.
      Whether they could be artificially crossed in captivity to make viable offspring is not the point.

      So "species" now comes down to self-identification. If the sugar-gliders identify as one group, and only mate within that group, they are for practical purposes a species. It is a very modern progressive approach :-)

      • Coyotes and wolves will interbreed in the wild if no mate of the same type is available, but generally wolves will kill coyotes.
    • AFAIK the accepted definition is that they can't reproduce

      Not the definition is they "won't" reproduce. Ironically for your post "can't" is a function of their DNA.

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