US Exceeds 100,000 New COVID-19 Cases For First Time (axios.com) 302
The U.S. reported 103,087 new daily coronavirus infections on Wednesday, setting a single-day record for cases, according to data from the COVID Tracking Project. From a report: This is the first time the U.S. has reported over 100,000 new cases in a single day -- a reminder of the high stakes of the election as votes continue to be tabulated. Wednesday's record comes a day after Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Ohio set their own state records as voters went to the polls. The state of play: The U.S. set its previous daily record for cases -- 97,000 -- on Oct. 30. The COVID Tracking Project recorded 1,116 new deaths and 2,802 new hospitalizations over the past 24-hour stretch.
Rounding The Corner (Score:5, Informative)
Apparently so we can go full circle.
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Two rights don't make a wrong, but three rights do make a left.
I'm not sure what a long series of rights makes, but I do know that one Trump makes a long series of wrongs.
Re:Rounding The Corner (Score:5, Funny)
Two rights don't make a wrong.
Two Wrights make an airplane.
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But I don't understand why anyone is still talking about Covid-19. It was supposed to go away on November 4th.
They still have to keep talking about it because I've heard there's still people voting /s
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You failed. Report to your masters for punishment.
Re:Blame the president for YOU catching the cold! (Score:5, Informative)
James Edward O'Keefe III (born June 28, 1984) is an American conservative political activist[2] and provocateur.[3][4] He produces secretly recorded undercover audio and video encounters in academic, governmental, and social service organizations, purporting to show abusive or illegal behavior by employees and/or representatives of those organizations.[5] He has selectively edited videos to misrepresent the context of the conversations and the subjects' responses, creating the false impression that people said or did things they did not.[6][7][8][9][10]
This guy?
Re: Blame the president for YOU catching the cold! (Score:3)
Yeah, that guy. The one who also releases the unedited videos.
Close enough for shuffleboard (Score:2)
Re:Close enough for shuffleboard (Score:5, Informative)
I think it depends on when you start and end your day. Worldometer resets the day after midnight GMT+0. So they count some cases from the day before. This number probably counts cases based on Eastern Time or some other time zone within the US, Or everything counted within whatever time zone the case originated it.
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China has one timezone.
People in the west get up with the sun at 11 am, eat lunch at about 4 pm, and watch the sunset at midnight.
Re: Close enough for shuffleboard (Score:3)
What difference does a label on a time make ?
It's only your (I presume) upbringing that makes you feel that a morning hour should have a number label between 5 and 12.
What if the original decision was to start counting at Solar noon.
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In fact, he said we wouldn't be hearing anything about it after the fourth... womp womp
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Apparently, the SARS-CoV-2 virus neither got the memo that it will disappear within a few days, not does it accept that Joe Biden has won. Seems to be quite bipartisan in its ignorance.
Snark aside, it remains to be seen whether a Biden administration that changes the direction and operation of the federal agencies such as the CDC and FDA and changes the bully pulpit messaging to states and people will make a difference. Obviously, such changes, if they are effective, would only start to manifest after a transition to the new administration.
Most of the spread of the virus is based on decisions at the state and individual level. However, Trump has provided cover for and encouraged state a
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Or you could be full of shit.
https://thehill.com/policy/int... [thehill.com]
https://apnews.com/article/ele... [apnews.com]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/p... [cbsnews.com]
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Why recount? it's the same people counting(with no observers)
Wrong. Quoting from Claire Malone at fivethirtyeight [fivethirtyeight.com]:
The specific rules for partisans observing the vote-counting process vary from state to state and the National Conference of State Legislatures has a handy guide for those rules [ncsl.org].
But take for instance, Pennsylvania, which is a pretty big prize today. “Partisan observers are permitted to be present when absentee and mail-in ballot envelopes are opened, and when the ballots are counted and recorded,” the NCSL writes.
In Arizona, “Partis
You're kidding? (Score:3)
Trump said he ended the pandemic. https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
Meh, I'm holding off my panic.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Until we see exactly how the fatality rate changes. Testing is a lot more abundant than it has been, so obviously cases are going to go up compared the summer or spring. Not that increased cases is *good* or anything, but its not really fair to compare this to the previous wave where testing was more limited, and done on people who were more likely to be showing symptoms.
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You do get that with exponential trends "see what happens" is pretty fatal, right?
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If more than 1/3 of the population got that, we wouldn't be where we are right now.
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Indeed.
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Yes, what's your point? I'm not telling the world to forgo safety measures or anything, and I'm still going to keep wearing my mask and practice social distancing. I'm just saying I'm not going to panic beforehand. Does my panicking right now help anyone?
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The data (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/state-timeline/new-confirmed-cases/florida/0) is not showing an exponential trend of deaths at all. The data actually shows that death rate is not directly correlating to cases.
Go to that site, pick your state at will, compare the charts between cases and deaths.
The charts do not correlate linearly, for any state. IE - increasing cases by X% does not result in an increase in deaths of X%.
You can't even argue there is a "lag", because it doesn't show in the data.
Th
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"I'm not sure I consider 99.99% survival rate fatal."
According to the worldometer, that's a 97% survival rate. Unless you're in the US where its 96%. That's right, as of 11/5/20 a person has a better chance of surviving the virus in India, Russia, or Panama who all have a 98% survival rate.
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"I'm not sure I consider 99.99% survival rate fatal."
According to the worldometer, that's a 97% survival rate. Unless you're in the US where its 96%. That's right, as of 11/5/20 a person has a better chance of surviving the virus in India, Russia, or Panama who all have a 98% survival rate.
Indeed. The usual strategy of the Covidiots. First, they use falsified numbers. Fits their general dishonesty and denial of reality.
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Why do you trust random websites over the experts??? Seriously you guys doing exactly what you claim Trump is doing.
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According to the worldometer, that's a 97% survival rate.
Color me skeptical this means what you think it means. I don't see where Worldometer defines "Closed cases". I suspect it means "people who had a positive PCR test but now don't (either they healed or died)."
The big problem with that number is it doens't include the people who never got tested or got a false negative. And the studies I've seen show that's 5-20 times the number of people who get positive PCR tests. I hope I get the terms right but that's the differenece between the infection fatality rate (b
Re:Meh, I'm holding off my panic.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Thanks but I'd rather not spend a week in intensive care. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15... [cnn.com] Not to mention any of the long term damage we are still finding. https://www.nature.com/article... [nature.com]
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And if you go on a ventilator, you can get pretty severe long-term damage from that only and you _always_ get serious damage after a few days even if everything is done perfectly. And that is with competent, experienced medical personnel supervising and adjusting things. When they get overwhelmed and inexperienced people start caring for people on ventilators, this is is going to get far worse. There are (probably) enough ventilators and ICU beds now, but there are _not_ enough experienced ICU doctors and n
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A week is not the only thing you spend in a ICU - in this country, there is also a severe amount of monetary spending that results from an ICU encounter.
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It is a lot worse than the flu, at least the strains that have been around in our lifetimes (the 1918 one was really bad). Take a look here at the graphs here from the CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
And here for a more interactive graph
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
If you are in the 25-44 year group, your chance of dying from any cause (within the whole US) during the peak in April went up by 40% or so. The virus at that time was concentrated in a few sta
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Only 3,000 people died on 9/11 meaning there was a 99.9999% survival rate yet people can't take a full bottle of shampoo on a plane or not be treated like a criminal just to get on a plane.
MAGA! (Score:2)
Now, how to keep up the world leadership in this area now that the psycho sex-offender is likely not going to lead that effort much longer?
USA #1! USA #1! USA #1! (Score:2)
That's right all you loser countries - we're the BEST at killing our own people!
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Except at this point there's no motive to exaggerate the numbers. Covid is real. Trump is the lie.
States Rights are real. People assuming Biden will be any more successful is the actual lie.
States Rights have legally enabled Ignorance to tell the President and Federal Government to Fuck Off.
That stupid shit, will continue, because leaders are too stupid to understand the difference between Freedoms and Freedumbs during a National crisis that affects every citizen in the country. Say we make you President tomorrow. You would never be successful in declaring a National Emergency and roll out the Natio
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State Rights are real. However the federal government can work with them to try to come up with a consistent set of rules, and share what is working and what isn't. I Live on the border town of three different states. The Rules around Covid are very different, depending on what State I am in. If these governers worked together we may have more consistent approach to the problems.
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Yes, and if we worked together to form a single set of rules for a National election to select The One, we wouldn't be sitting here still wondering who's going to take the reigns of this clusterfuck.
Common F. Sense knows what the problem is. Stupid and Ignorant don't, and we've elected plenty of them to "lead" and fight for Freedumbs during a National crisis.
Yeah. It is bad enough to enact Martial Law. No one wants that, but like Civil Wars, We The People are not exactly smart enough to avoid it.
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Yes, and if we worked together to form a single set of rules for a National election to select The One, we wouldn't be sitting here still wondering who's going to take the reigns of this clusterfuck.
What is the clusterfuck, exactly?
The US has a bit of an arcane system for elections, but overall, it seems to be working pretty well this year. The counting proceeds as planned, most places have paper trails, the result is likely to be known way before the 20th of January.
That is a massive success during a pandemic. Is there any particular reason you need to know the result now, rather than in a month?
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We have a massively corrupt system of "Representatives" slinging shit at each other for ratings sake, as they pimp their Red and Blue gangs who shill for the Donor Class and could give a fuck about the American people who are being crushed right now by a shuttered economy and a global pandemic with little Government relief, and the world right now sees the US response as one of the worst.
We elected a complete not-a-politician outsider (Trump), because the People were that fucking desperate to drain this Sw
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From my point of view as a Canadian, it looks like the "State Rights" banner mostly crops up when states are trying to enshrine discrimination or right-wing Christian doctrine into law.
You're not wrong. I can only think of a single counterexample, and that was speed limit laws. Even then, the federal government got around it by making a bunch of funding dependent on meeting certain standards. But as soon as that went away, states went off on their own.
That said, it's a really good counterexample. One national maximum speed limit would be silly. An upper bound that makes sense in semi-rural California doesn't necessarily make sense in ultra-rural Montana, on a straight road where you might not see another car for half an hour.
The reason the states rights arguments tend to mostly be about enshrining discrimination, of course, is that the only real differences between one state and another are how rural it is, what the dominant religion is, and how diverse they are ethnically. Other than that, people are pretty much the same wherever they live. They have the same basic needs, the same basic wants, etc.
Tolerance for people who are different tends to occur in areas that are dense, diverse, and less strongly religious (and in particular, areas with a lower proportion of less tolerant religions). It tends to be almost nonexistent in areas that are rural, have monocultures, and are strongly religious. And I'm pretty sure that the religion issue is really a symptom rather than a cause. After all, the areas whose religions tend to be less tolerant also tend to be less dense and less diverse, so it seems more likely that the dominant religions in those areas reflect the people who make them up, rather than the other way around.
That said, I do object to the words "right-wing Christian doctrine". There's no such thing. A lot of Christians vote right-wing because they believe that abortion is such an important issue that they are willing to tolerate a lot of very un-Christian behavior by their leaders to achieve that goal. But that's not the same thing as saying that Christian conservatives are right-wing in the sense of actually agreeing with the Republican Party's platform as a whole. A lot of them don't (at least beyond the very high-level concept of protecting individual rights).
The Republican Party's platform as a whole is fundamentally antithetical to the teachings of Christ. Christ taught us to love your neighbor as yourself, help the poor, and pay your taxes. Republican politicians tend to be war hawks (love your neighbor with bombs?), and constantly try to find ways to cut spending on programs that help the poor so that they have to pay less money in taxes. And try to raise the minimum wage to help the poor, and they'll scream that businesses can't afford it (which translates "the wealthy don't want to pay for it").
And right-wing policies consistently erode the middle class by making it harder for the poor to become less poor. Their tax policies hurt the poor. Their regulatory policies hurt the poor. Very nearly every single thing they do provably and undeniably hurts the poor, and nearly everything that the left tries to do to help the poor is blocked by the political right.
Notwithstanding the abortion issue, there is simply no way to reconcile large portions of the Republican platform with Christianity without perverting scripture to an extent that would embarrass even the pharisees. So if the Democrats removed the pro-choice language from their platform entirely and allowed their members to follow their individual conscience, the Republican Party would be reduced to the same level as the Libertarians or Greens within just a few election cycles. They would simply cease to be relevant, because so many of their non-abortion policies are so utterly heinous and only benefit the ultra-wealthy. Either that or they would adapt their platform to be less heinous. Either way, everybody wins.
That's not saying that the
Re:thank goodness (Score:5, Insightful)
Biden says he will listen to science. Meanwhile Trump wants to fire Dr. Fauci, you know one of the best experts on infectious diseases. https://apnews.com/article/tru... [apnews.com]
It doesn't look like the Dems will take the Senate (Score:4, Insightful)
It'll help having Biden directing the government, but if we fall for McConnell and the GOP's bullshit again and reward them for hurting us it's going to be of limited use.
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I'm generally in favor of mixed party rule in government. It forces them to compromise...and no one side runs roughshod over half the nation.
This is the idea, but it isn't the way McConnell works. He will have one goal for the next two years: prevent the Democrats from having any successes to campaign on in 2022/24. It is the only thing he has done for the last decade.
The GOP stopped compromising (Score:3)
And Kamala is very, very, *very* much not a progressive, let along far left.
If your goal is 2 party rule what you want is for the GOP to die out before they seize complete control of all branches and for Kamala & Biden's wing of the party to split from Bernie & AOC's wing. That will get you back to 2 party rule (also yo
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why won't you cut your dick off lest you potentially rape someone?
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Like the common 'flu went away? Because, you know, it didn't.
There is no truth in your words.
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Well we hopefully will have a president who will try to coordinated with other health organizations around the world, to work for a vaccine. Not a bunch of companies working for themselves, just to win the right to say they invented it. Also we should be listening to the experts, and explaining to the entire nation what the correct track should do to keep infections down and stay safe. As well work with the governors of each state to see if we can come up with an effective and consistent set of rules to
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Well we hopefully will have a president who will try to coordinated
If any of that bullshit works then why is the per-capita rate higher in many European countries right now? You guys are grasping at straws and unable to accept basic science. Viruses will spread. You guys are apparently hoping for a "magic vaccine". It may never happen. I hope you guys realize that too.
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Stop ignoring the science.
You should tell that to Trump. The best thing he could have done with the situation is nothing and let the scientists and doctors do their jobs. Instead he's spread lies and misinformation at every turn. Even recently he has downplayed any increase as it is "going away".
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You should tell that to Trump. The best thing he could have done with the situation is nothing and let the scientists and doctors do their jobs. Instead he's spread lies and misinformation at every turn. Even recently he has downplayed any increase as it is "going away".
Best thing, no. Better than what he's done, sure. The best thing would be encourage mask use, set national guidelines for mask use, quote the scientists and doctors and say please listen, reach out to stubborn governors and offer them incentives to play ball, work with congress to encourage faster, better compromise on a stimulus plan, stop saying things like "random drug A is proven to kill it" or "maybe we can inject some lysol into our veins", which is stupid, reckless, and dangerous, WHETHER SERIOUS OR SAID IN JEST. Honestly, I could go on, but yeah... there's a lot of room for improvement here.
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Trump supporter logic: "going away" == "..have to live with it forever".
Your email is either a deliberate troll, or you really have a sub-human level of intelligence.
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And yeah, "going away" means you will probably have to live with it forever, as with most viruses. Unless there is a magic vaccine or it does just magically go away as some viruses do. That is science. Did you know thousands still die of H1N1? I'll bet you didn't. You don't really follow the science.
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How can a President keep scientists and doctors from doing their jobs anyway? I didn't realize the President had that capability. But you obviously have swallowed the CNN talking points.
I'm glad you asked.
https://www.foxnews.com/politi... [foxnews.com]
"The officials pressured CDC to change the reports, at times retroactively, to better align them with Trumpâ(TM)s often rosier public statements about the coronavirus, Politico reported."
"According to Politico, Caputo and Alexander complained about a report that explained children can transmit the coronavirus and Alexander asked the CDC to alter it or pull it down, saying the report could impact school reopening and hurt Trump politically."
https://www.foxnews.com/politi... [foxnews.com]
"In anÂop-edÂpublished Tuesday in the Washington Post, four former CDC directors â" who served during both Republican and Democratic administrations â" accused Trump and top coronavirus task force officials of politicizing scientific data released by the national public health institute."
""We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence," they wrote, claiming public health experts now "face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine" the CDC."
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"How can a President keep scientists and doctors from doing their jobs anyway?"
Firing them is a good first step, if you want somebody to stop working.
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You entire post is a fallacy of "nothing could ever be done." with a virus therefore Trump did no wrong. That is false and you know it.
How can a President keep scientists and doctors from doing their jobs anyway?
What a strawman argument. Did you even read what I wrote? I specifically wrote: He could have left them do their jobs and done nothing. Instead he’s spread lies and misinformation at every turn. But if you must know his actions include contradicting them publicly based on his "beliefs". There are allegations he has removed people from posts who have contradicted him. I
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I think the U.S. is at about 9.5 million infections and 234K deaths (directly attributable to COVID). The hospitals in the Midwest and South are already straining. So what, you figure we only have 328M - 9.5M left to go? I presume the deaths don't stop. And the case load is increasing.
If the case load goes down under Biden (presuming he wins and the alleged administration dies), then it won't be for a very long time.
Diverse viewpoints, yes. Diverse facts: no. (Score:2)
You misunderstand me, OMBaby, I'm not talking about the science, not talking about the disease, nor about politics... I'm talking about you and your strange relationship with reality.
At the moment, I'd say that his relationship with reality involves citing sources, and yours doesn't.
... diverse viewpoints, a broad range of conflicting philosophies... make discussions interesting.
Diverse viewpoints, yes. Diverse facts: no.
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They're all wrong.
Europe is seeing a major surge because they opened up too quickly under political pressure, just like they did here in the U.S. Trump isn't responsible for that, except perhaps to the extent that his rhetoric convinced people in Europe to do likewise.
But that doesn't mean that Trump's policies aren't predominantly responsible for our sad state of affairs.
There are only two ways for a pandemic to realistically end: by achieving herd immunity or by quarantining every case until there are
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The lawyers^W tantrums ain't done
FTFY.
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If the senile pedophile is successful at stealing this election (likely), we're going to get locked down hard. What's left of the economy will be destroyed. Then we'll get mandatory vaccination and have to prove our vaccination status to leave the house, with a mandatory mask to show our submission.
Why whould Trump change direction? He hasn't shown any inclination to lock down anything so far. He lives in a state of denial of reality. No doubt Trump will find other means to destroy the economy and to ensure obedience from his followers.
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Do people still think Biden vs Trump changes how the virus operates?
Yes, because Trump doesn't wear masks, he gathers people into big crowds, etc,. etc.
The sensible thing to do is to wear masks, keep distances, wash hands, take basic precautions until a vaccine is widely available.
Trump hasn't done any of that. Why? Because it will make his millionaire friends poorer, and he can't have that.
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"Because it will make his millionaire friends poorer"
Do you honestly believe he has friends?
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Good question.
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If any of that was the cause, WHY IS THE PER-CAPITA RATE IN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HIGHER THAN THE US?
Um, it isn't: https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
Spain, France and Italy were some of the hardest hit countries but they're all below the USA.
The only European country that's higher is Belgium. That's Belgium for you.
Maybe a more useful metric for you to examine would be rates per capita in "red" vs. "blue" states in the USA.
You can do it here: https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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Wow, failing at the basic concept of action and reaction. I don't think you belong here, or anywhere really.
Australia has effectively kept it under control. New Zealand has kept it under control. Vietnam has the virus under control. Taiwan has the virus under control. There are countries with large populations that have the virus under control.
Go
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Alt-right dystopia. At least you know where you are with white supremacists, some of these republicans now believe in satanic cannibal pedophile stories. They even vote in people who openly push these fantasies.
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If people were gullible enough to believe in patently false satanic pedophile conspiracies without evidence in the late 80s and early 90s they'll be stupid enough to believe it now, and stupid enough to believe it again in another 20 years. As long as people on a whole yearn to be part of some epic good vs evil fight, they'll always buy it when people try to sell it to them.
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Maybe the cycle will speed up so much that there will be a new one faster than they can even be debunked.
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I have a friend in the diving community and they see tons of people that fail re-certification. Except that the ones affected are very often really surprised.
"No lasting effects" is just completely untrue for many, many of those affected. Nobody really knows how many have lasting or long-term effects, but a lot of people do and those effects do _not_ seem to cluster in the higher ages from all available observations.
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"with no lasting effects" that is your first and wrong assumption. There are reported lasting effects. Personally I know someone who got it and still has trouble breathing months later. His doctors don't know if he will have issues for years. And he was an avid runner who did multiple marathons a year so he was not out of shape.
To be fair, you're making an assumption as well. Part of the problem is that there hasn't been any proper studies on these long term effects of COVID. Even the lancet points this out:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30701-5/fulltext"
From anecdotal reports, such as your friend's, there certainly appears to be an issue, but we don't seem to have much of an idea how bad the issue is. Early on there were reports of young people dying from COVID, which there were. But now we kno
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Because survival of the fittest is a bullshit statement. Natural selection is about survival of the good enough. And I hope you have a DNR or else you are a hypocrite.
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Quantify "most people". When the stated claim is 99.9% suffer no lasting effects, be prepared to back that up with data. Anecdotally, I know of 2 of the handful of diagnosed people that have trouble breathing after CoVID. The first is my runner friend and the 2nd was an average guy who didn’t exercise regularly. My runner friend is an extreme example of before and after.
Are trying to justify doing nothing for a contagion in which things can be done using "survival of the fittest"? How would you feel i
Lasting effects (Score:5, Informative)
You might want to do some reading.
https://www.nature.com/article... [nature.com]
https://www.mayoclinic.org/cor... [mayoclinic.org].
Pretty much every school that opened up has had cases and had to shutdown and go back to remote teaching. Having 30 children in a small room breathing the same air is a recipe for disaster.
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Pretty much every school that opened up has had cases and had to shutdown and go back to remote teaching. Having 30 children in a small room breathing the same air is a recipe for disaster.
I sent my kids (ages 4 and 7) back to school this week, here in Seattle WA. My reading of the research is that it's not a recipe for disaster:
Oct19 - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1... [nytimes.com] - "nearly three weeks into the in-person school year, early data from [New York's] first effort at targeted testing has shown ... a surprisingly small number of positive cases"
Oct22 - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1... [nytimes.com] - "Researchers once feared that school reopenings might spread the virus through communities. But so far there
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Your numbers are utter crap.
For example, people 50-60, have about 0.3% mortality in Europe, higher in the US.
Also, _nobody_ has numbers on severe and lasting effects at this time, but the people treating the ones affected are routinely shocked how bad and how many cases they see.
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A coronavirus is a type of influenza virus in the same way that chicken pox is a type of syphilis. Meaning not at all.
Pneumonia is a symptom of inflammation and fluid buildup in the lungs, not an infection in itself. In some cases isn't caused by a virus at all.
The survival rate looks upwards of 99%, but "no lasting effects" is something else altogether. Lingering neurological issues and organ damage look to be more prevalent. Getting that data requires more time to pass, and more effort to survey than "Did
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SARS-CoV-2 is much more contagious than the flu (it's not a type of flu or pneumonia), but it does spread similarly and it's expected to go up. Since around 10% of the population is over 70 years old, that's a huge concern for anyone that might come in contact or even just care about older people. Not only that, but the huge number of hospitalizations means that there aren't resources available for other people that might need to go the hospital
Yes, young people might be fine and have minimal long term sy
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Tired of it yet?
What does Charlie Sheen's fuckboy schedule fueled by tiger blood have to do with this? Man, talk about offtopic...
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So far the US has had about 10M cases, with 0.25M dead ... by my math that's a 2.5% death date (never mind that some of those who caught it in last few weeks - part of that 10M - will die too).
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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The past couple of days, for the US, deaths have been around 45 per hour.
Before that it was in the 30s. St. Louis hospitals are over 85% full (I believe general and ICU).
I track on a two week average for graphing, but infection reporting is going up a lot (especially globally - exponential).
My approach is not to get it. Possible lung scarring and potential cognitive impacts, I'd rather my family not have to deal with such things.
Vaccine. It's the answer. And camping! Great social distancing and getting
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There's still a lot of angst over this election... give it 4 more years and it will blow over.
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Wearing masks perhaps?
Acknowledge that it's worse than ever (and accelerating), not over?
Encourage people to believe scientists, not ignore them?
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This current surge is being lead by super-spreaders with a R0 estimated to be above 10. Who, pray tell, is not wearing masks, and social distancing in public? The basic truth is masks and current measures are ineffective when the R0 is so high. Strict lockdowns, near total isolation and greater economic ruin are the only way to slow the current spread. The time will quickly come, if there's not a effective vaccine, when all sides will say, Live With It.
We concluded that the range of R0 is 4.7â"11.4, wh
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Masks don't protect 100%, but they can certainly make a big difference. There was a recent recorded case where 20 or so Starbucks customers at a single location got sick, but the Baristas - wearing masks - did not.
Personal behavior has a lot to do with it too - no need to isolate, but no need to go to indoor malls, crowded party's, etc. You can't make people act safe, but a little leadership from the top can't hurt - at least clearly tell people what's dangerous, and lead by example.
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The purpose of mask wearing, social distancing etc is exactly to delay the inevitable - i.e. to flatten the curve so the hospitals are able to keep up with the case load. We've seen in Italy what happens when the care system does become overloaded.
If we're lucky some of those delayed inevitabilities may (secondary benefit) in fact be averted due to a future vaccine, or at least have their impact lessened by better future therapeutics and care protocols.
Of course sample-of-one anecdotal evidence means nothing by itself - it was meant to be illustrative of many such situations which collectively do point to the (imperfect) benefits of mask wearing. Perhaps the most impressive evidence are the "baristas at large" - the very many mask-wearing retail and service industry workers who, AFAIK, are not getting sick in proportion to their extremely high exposure to the public.
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What do you expect with increased testing? This has become a bad joke.
Correct, it's a horrible joke. And the punchline is the increased positivity rates in that testing, which demonstrates that the higher numbers are not driven by the increased testing.
Nice parrot, here, have a cracker.
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I don't see why people are separating "herd immunity" from the vaccine.
"Herd immunity" is having so many people in society that the R0 factor of the disease is driven below 1.0, so the infected take so long to find another non-immune person to infect that they recover and are no longer contagious, and the disease dies a natural death itself from not being passed from person to person.
But whether the immunity is acquired from a vaccine or from getting sick, it should still be "herd immunity" and we should be