China's Qingdao To Test 9 Million in Five Days (bbc.com) 107
The Chinese city of Qingdao is testing its entire population of nine million people for Covid-19 over a period of five days. From a report: The mass testing comes after the discovery of a dozen cases linked to a hospital treating coronavirus patients arriving from abroad. In May, China tested the entire city of Wuhan -- home to 11 million people and the epicentre of the global pandemic. The country has largely brought the virus under control. That is in stark contrast to other parts of the world, where there are still high case numbers and lockdown restrictions of varying severity. In a statement posted to Chinese social media site Weibo, Qingdao's Municipal Health Commission said six new cases and six asymptomatic cases had been discovered. All the cases were linked to the same hospital, said the state-run Global Times. The Chinese authorities now have a strategy of mass testing even when a new coronavirus cluster appears to be relatively minor, correspondents say.
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Simply stating "everything within your power" is beyond childish and naïve.
Please specifically identify the individual powers the Federal Government has "everything within your power" which were not used?
What specific individual State powers are you suggesting "everything within your power" were not used?
There is a huge difference between an authoritative State powers to force people to do something and the limited government power of a Democracy/USA to force people to do something.
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Simply stating "everything within your power" is beyond childish and naïve.
Please specifically identify the individual powers the Federal Government has "everything within your power" which were not used? What specific individual State powers are you suggesting "everything within your power" were not used?
There is a huge difference between an authoritative State powers to force people to do something and the limited government power of a Democracy/USA to force people to do something.
Yes, that would be the huge difference between Freedoms and Freedumbs, which there are obviously enough stupid Americans that don't know the difference.
So you want to know what was exercised? All of it. And that's the fucking problem. It is dangerous during a pandemic (had to put that caveat in there upfront for all you Freedumb Fighters) to enable every level of American government, to override every other level of American government.
Feds tell State leaders to do something in response to a global pand
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"This is how you stop a pandemic. This is what it looks like when you do everything within your power to save lives and save the economy. And clearly, this is not what America is doing. Why? Because the coronavirus kills the elderly the right wing politicians see it as an opportunity to reduce taxes due to lower entitlement spending."
Well, the elderly have figured this out and are voting against Trump and republican politicians by a huge margin.
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Only 30% of our country is college educated. A huge fraction of the population is incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction. To a large part of the country, Fox News and Alex Jones are better sources of news that US News and World Report and The Eco
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It's an easy google but sure..
https://fortune.com/2020/10/09... [fortune.com]
The video comes days after a NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that Biden has a staggering 27 point lead over Trump among Americans aged 65 and up (62% to 35%). A CNN/SSRS poll two days later showed similar results, with Biden leading in the age group by 21 points (60% to 39%).
The trend can also be found on a state level as well. Take Michigan, for example, a state Trump narrowly won in 2016: A WDIV/Detroit News poll from Oct. 5 shows Biden lea
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Guess you haven't looked at the numbers from all the midwest red states lately...
GP has looked at the numbers (Score:2)
It's a classic diversionary tactic. Thread Jacking?
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The places with the large number of elderly deaths were the places that were hit early.
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stop the spread? and then what, we keep the elderly and everyone else locked in cages forever?
The only way is herd immunity, get the young and not vulnerable to have a mass party for 2 weeks. Once that's over, all those who got it and survived can be released back to mix with the vulnerable and elderly as they won't be infectious again.
The arguments against it are:
1. wait for a vaccine. But how do you think vaccines work, if not artificially creating herd immunity?
2. the virus mutates and immune people get
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Herd immunity requires 60% minimum of the population to have been infected.
330,000,000 * 60% = 198,000,000 infections.
198,000,000 * 10% = 19,800,000 needing hospitalization
19,800,000 * $14,000 = $277,200,000,000 hospitalization costs
**CRASH** goes the insurance industry. (Keep in mind that nationwide there were only 300,000-400,000 ICU beds available before SAR2 arrived anyway, so **CRASH** goes the healthcare industry as well.)
198,000,000 * 2% = 3,960,000 dead
So if you think four million dead is an accept
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Spurious figures do not say anything. Take a look at reality, Sweden took a different approach, and today Swedes are wandering around as if nothing had happeend. You think you know better, of course you do. Fact-free science living right in your head.
And as for masks, we all know they don;t work - the WHO said so for decades. And then suddenly they were leant on, changed their guidelines because of "political lobbying": fact-free science again, throw all the evidence away because someone wants to look tough
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So how many do **YOU** think are going to die if precautions are eliminated just so you can go to the next Justin Bieber concert? Show your math. I didn't even touch on how many people are going to be disabled either short term or long term, mostly because the numbers aren't definitive yet, but it's a considerably higher percentage than the deaths.
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You do not know how to use statistics.
First, differentiate between infections (SARS-CoV-2) and sick (COVID-19).
They are not the same, not all infections lead to being sick, and most that are sick do not require hospitalization, and not all hospitalizations require weeks of care.
These are all possibilities, but we know with 100% certainty of my statement above.
What we also know, is that the 2nd wave is not more deadly than the first, by a LARGE margin.
European countries 2nd wave started months (in the case o
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So how many need to die? Show your math.
$14,000 is the median cost for COVID19 hospitalization, most stays will be short and cost less and some will be longer, require respiratory assistance, and cost much more. I'm not sure where you think the insurance industry is going to get that much money, or where that many beds will come from. I don't feel bad for the insurance cartels, their own waste and inefficiencies created most of that cost, but of course the taxpayers will have to bail them out (again).
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I dont need to do math. Its irrelevant.
You cant stop a virus that has already reached critical mass. I repeat myself, but anyone who claims otherwise is lying or doesnt know anything about infectious diseases such as Coronaviruses.
Costs are high, indeed, but they are unavoidable. Any action, lockdown or otherwise, just pushes the same costs down the road.
Meanwhile, people go bankrupt, businesses close, people starve, suicides go up, etc... etc... Not to mention, government funding goes down dramatically, be
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requiring healthy people to wear one is utterly useless.
So how do they 25% of people who are infected, contagious, but asympomatic know whether to wear a mask or not? As has been said repeatedly, you're not wearing a mask as much to protect yourself as to protect others. Are you proposing everyone get a test daily?
science is quite clear on this
Fox News is not "science".
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Why are you bringing up Fox news?
Masks dont work. The science is clear, it always was, which is why the WHO, the CDC, Fauci, and almost every Public Health and Safety body around the world where against it.
The sudden turn around, AFTER almost all countries infection rate had already dropped down to nothing (mid June to late July) is suspect.
Not to mention, after the mandatory mask wearing across most of the world, except most of the US, that the cases started to rise again a month or 2 later AFTER EVERYONE
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Now, if you are sick and you know it, and HAVE to move around, like go to the hospital and take public transportation ect... of course wear a mask. But requiring healthy people to wear one is utterly useless.
For a virus that has such a high asymptomatic rate you have the logic of a WindBourne. If you want the sick people to wear one. Why not the sick people who just don't know they are sick yet. They are still spreading it too. Moreso because they don't know to stay home.
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1. Cant stop a virus.
2. Lockdowns are meant to slow the spread as to not overwhelm hospitals. But it just pushes the problem further down the road. Constant lockdowns will just keep this going forever.
3. I did not chart the data but just sorting states by death per million, does not seem to confirm your first statement. Neither Republican or Democratic states have hat it worst on average.
4. The only way to protect the elderly is to have them take extra precautions while we let the virus run its course, not
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The places you had a large kill off where the places that were hit first. metropolitian areas with lots of business in China.
In the first 2 months of learning on how to control the pandemic instead of a strong federal and united response we had 100 differeent responses each one only working partially. it took time to learn about how it is spread, how to limit expousre, and most of all how to change standard hospital nursing home relationship, to limit cross damage.
IE it is standard practice for those over 50 to go to a nursing home for initial rehab. especially if they do not have a partner at home to assist them. this includes those expsosed to the flu. Covid is 100 times more contagious than the flu, and can go undected far longer. Just look at the wedding in Maine. one wedding, one person infected over 100 others including 3 deaths. of which only 30% actually attended the wedding in question.
The flu is far easier to contain. 2 people in the same room may not get the flu, but with covid is going to spread.
So they did standard procedures put non critical patiens in nursing home, to spread the load on the hospitals, only for the nursing homes to get smacked hard. guess what we don't do now for covid cases?
Also the USA fatality rate isn't falling nearly as fast as it should be if it was under control.
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Also business in Europe.
Most of the US came via New York via Europe.
And a lot of that due to the terrible way we rushed everyone into airports in crowded conditions before flying them home and releasing them into the population without tracking them.
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> And a lot of that due to the terrible way we rushed everyone into airports in crowded conditions before flying them home and releasing them into the population without tracking them.
We did better than that. When they were coming home we made them wait in dense lines for hours to get tested for Covid-19. If they weren't infected when they joined the queue they quite likely were when they were eventually allowed to leave.
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I think you are talking about after July 27th, when things were more organized. I'm talking about when Trump announced a european travel ban without warning.
https://www.npr.org/sections/g... [npr.org]
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By "better" I meant "worse". The screening program was idiocy at the highest level. Chaos is better than organized idiocy.
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Your claim that 2 people in the same room may not get the flu, but will get covid is not supported by evidence.
The huge number of families living in the same house or apartment with at least 1 confirmed infected person who did not infect others says otherwise.
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Wrong. China has run 160,000,000 of a better quality test than we use.
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
In test per million of population the US is number 20.
In deaths per million the US is number 10, despite dismal numbers of tests run. India, with four times our population, has less than half the number of deaths that we do.
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Testing everyone and isolating them is how you get the basic reproduction number under 1.0.
But if you test more, you'll have more cases which makes you look bad. The only sensible thing to do is not test, then you have no cases.
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> The only sensible thing to do is not test, then you have no cases.
I think you would do well in government.
But the growth has never really been exponential. More like linear in practice after an initial surge. The reason is that thing are more complex then bacteria multiplying in a petrie dish. People interact in clusters, not randomly. Some people are careful, others are not. Different ages.
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Has the USA even tested 9 million people since this began?
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there is no statics for the number of tests given but there have been 7.8 million people who tested positive so unless the test taker have been really lucky then yes for the 9 million.
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1/3 of the country has been tested? News to me.
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YOU STUPID FUCK: I said "The USA has run 128,000,000 tests. MORE THAN ANY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. Another anti-US/pro-China idiot."
Who the fuck said that " 128 million tests doesn't mean 128 million individuals tested."? Other than you of course.
Is everyone here a braindead troll?
You're the one that answered the question "Has the USA even tested 9 million people" by saying how many tests had been done.
Rather worthless test. (Score:1)
If so that has a less than 50% success rate of detecting people with the c-virus.
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The procedure in China for mass testing for COVID-19 is to batch samples from nasal or throat swabs for RT-PCR processing, ten or twenty samples run together as a single test. If a given test turns up positive for COVID-19 RNA the small number of people who provided that test's samples can be called in for individual testing, treatment and isolation to identify which one (or more) of them provided the positive sample.
Effective testing (but not in America) (Score:2)
I think you're just feeding a troll. The local news actually shows several shots of people being tested in China, and it's a throat swab (though of course the person's temperature is also recorded, and I believe one of the videos included that part, too). The troll could have made an actual argument about the value of nasal testing verses throat swabs, but why would it bother? It's gaslight time!
My initial curiosity about this story was about the question "Where has the virus been hiding for all these month
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It's even in the summary. The virus was brought in by people arriving from abroad, not "hiding" anywhere.
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Another anti-US/Pro-China Slashdot idiot.
Yes yes very amusing... We like to watch you scapegoat others for your own failures. We would prefer you wouldn't, but since you will anyway, all we can do is throw tomatoes and see you shriek about "anti-US/Pro-China" this and that
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The US is still handling it piss poor, with all the lies and secrecy in search of profit.
Let me ask you: Why are you defending the man and his associates responsible for this mess?
China? Hell, Africa is doing better than we are. It's shameful...
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Or France? Or Italy?
Heh, goes without mentioning. Really, you're barking up a tree without a paddle. I'm only telling you the China scapegoating is tiresome bullshit. That came from the prez.
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The US is still handling it piss poor, with all the lies and secrecy in search of profit.
Let me ask you: Why are you defending the man and his associates responsible for this mess?
China? Hell, Africa is doing better than we are. It's shameful...
OK, American shit-slinging to the side for a moment. You have no fucking idea how Communist China is doing. And you never will.
And given the lack of resources across all of Africa, I'd say you're about as clueless there too. We all are.
And no, I'm not defending the man. I'm attacking your obvious stupidity and ignorance. There is a difference, moron.
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You have no fucking idea how Communist China is doing. And you never will.
:-) Well, you can look into the mirror on that one too. You have no idea what is happening the states either, so you can save your breath
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You have no fucking idea how Communist China is doing. And you never will.
:-) Well, you can look into the mirror on that one too. You have no idea what is happening the states either, so you can save your breath
Never said we did, and I'm not the one here ignorantly trying to claim who's doing better. But we're at least lying about our numbers out of sheer Greed, which is both understandable and expected. Maximize Federal financial reimbursements around one malady, and watch trillions flow through that loophole.
And America may actually find out the real numbers one day. You will never know Chinas numbers. Yeah, 1.3 billion is a lot, and I doubt the world would notice 50 million gone. I doubt even China would.
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And America may actually find out the real numbers one day. You will never know Chinas numbers. Yeah, 1.3 billion is a lot, and I doubt the world would notice 50 million gone. I doubt even China would.
The 100 million parents/kids might. Or the 400 million Aunts/Uncles/friends.
Do you even try to think a tiny bit?
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But we're at least lying about our numbers out of sheer Greed, which is both understandable and expected.
*sigh* I guess that's supposed to make a difference.
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One can successfully doubt veracity of your info (Score:1)
A day in the life of Xitler (Score:2)
They can say anything they want to when they control all of the data and the media. https://i.imgur.com/KJiibnr.gi... [imgur.com]
uhmmm... That's not quite right... (Score:1)
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/... [taiwannews.com.tw]
I know getting real info out of China is hard but... can we not blindly believe/report the propaganda?
Lastly, how is this tech news? There's no tech involved here. They just announced they wanted to do this and a bun
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Did you not notice all of them wearing masks? And remember the vast majority of them aren't going to be infected anyway.
Did you notice that no one said they weren't?
They have the tech to test 9 million people.
Having enough swabs and chemistry test sets isn't really tech to a computer tech related. There's no computing, there's no algorithm. There's no science discovery. Just that they bought enough tests.
America is still struggling with high positivity rates and its inadequate testing is making it a laughing stock of the world. Perhaps wake up a bit eh?
I'm not in America. If you couldn't tell that the story came from Taiwan news... waking up is the least of your worries. Of course, if you had any conviction and integrity, you wouldn't be posting as an anonymous coward.
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If you had any integrity you wouldn't be posting Taiwanese propaganda...
This story was posted on multiple outlets... Taiwanese and non-taiwanese. Like this site was one of them. If you don't believe the story, why are you here?
You spout some nonsense about cremations
Non-taiwan source:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
Satellite views images:
https://twitter.com/inteldotwa... [twitter.com]
and people being silenced.
Dude, China government themselves said that... It's the law. Are you arguing that the law doesn't exist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://variety.com/2020/digit... [variety.com]
https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... [arstechnica.com]
http://lehmanlaw.com/resource-... [lehmanlaw.com]
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In Africa they wore masks and didn't have much of a problem. In the USA people foamed from the mouth about MAH FREEDOMS and here we are. https://apnews.com/article/vir... [apnews.com]
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In Africa they wore masks and didn't have much of a problem.
Africas problem, hasn't even begun yet. I grow tired of watching idiots claim we have this pandemic under control, especially as history laughs at our ignorance (the second wave of the Spanish Flu, was far worse.)
In the USA people foamed from the mouth about MAH FREEDOMS and here we are. https://apnews.com/article/vir... [apnews.com]
Yes, and I've said it many times now. There is a difference between Freedoms, and Freedumbs. Legally allowing every level of government to simply override every other level of government during a pandemic is utterly fucking insane. But you already KNOW the political vitriol is so bad now that t
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You know what, you are a piece of white trash who can't swallow the ego that western countries screwed up big times in this virus management, and you can't take it that other countries are doing well.
My country, is doing a spectacularly horrific job. In fact, it's even "beating" yours.
Now shut the fuck up before you assume any further about who's finger pointing. China has lied about their numbers from day one. You know this, as so does the world. Like we need to hear them lie any more.
Oh and fuck your Troll tags.
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Africa is doing fine because the median age is in under 20 in some countries due to HIV, war, and famine.
Africa has a very young population. And young people have a low death rate from Covid. About 0.5% (about 1200 out of 214,000 in the US age 29 and younger).
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Which is of course why they're going through all that effort to test 9 million citizens in a rush-effort. Nothing to see here, right? I say this will all due respect; either stop lying China, or kindly shut the hell up.
What if... testing 9 million citizens in a rush IS PRECISELY the right way to keep the virus under control?
How can you distinguish between the two interpretations? the one you suggested where city-wide rushed testing is an indication that something's wrong, or the one I suggested where city-wide rushed testing is the best way to stay on top of it? I honestly have no idea how to evaluate the two. Both seem a priori reasonable. The only oddity is that, if China is indeed lying and the virus is indeed out of c
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If they have the virus under control then they don't need to test whole cities.
If they need to test whole cities, they clearly don't have the virus under control.
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Why not? There's no good reason not to if you don't have working track and trace. But if you don't, you don't know if you have the virus under control. If you do, there's no need whatsoever to test a whole city.
I'm not opposed to more testing, it only isn't necessary to do that much more if you actually have things under control. Which is how we know they don't.
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If they have the virus under control then they don't need to test whole cities.
If they need to test whole cities, they clearly don't have the virus under control.
You don't test just to fill in numbers on a spreadsheet to keep some bean counter happy. Or so you can tell which insurance you should bill.
The testing is to find the cases you don't know about yet and stop it from spreading further.
If the virus escapes the containment, you don't just say "Oh well, I guess that city is infected now. Lets warm up the incinerators". Because that will just allow it to spread to all the other cities too.
You test as much as you can to find the infected people and stop them sp
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