3D-Printed Plant-Based Steaks Could Arrive In 2021 (engadget.com) 153
In 2021, Israeli startup Redefine Meat plans to launch a 3D printer that will allow customers to produce plant-based flank steak at home. Engadget reports: Redefine Meat says that through 3D printing, it's able to create plant-based meat with the same "appearance, texture and flavor of animal meat," according to its website. Texture specifically seems to be the 3D printer's hallmark achievement. "You need a 3D printer to mimic the structure of the muscle of the animal," Redefine Meat CEO Eshchar Ben-Shitrit told Reuters.
3D printing differs from other methods companies have used for reproducing meat taste and texture. Both Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat use combinations of plant-based proteins, oils and binders, like methylcellulose and potato starch, to achieve a realistic texture for their ground beef and patties -- though the texture of ground beef is arguably easier to achieve than that of steak. Atlast Food uses mushroom fibers to emulate animal tissue in its meatless bacon.
3D printing differs from other methods companies have used for reproducing meat taste and texture. Both Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat use combinations of plant-based proteins, oils and binders, like methylcellulose and potato starch, to achieve a realistic texture for their ground beef and patties -- though the texture of ground beef is arguably easier to achieve than that of steak. Atlast Food uses mushroom fibers to emulate animal tissue in its meatless bacon.
Could, Would, Should (Score:2)
...but won't.
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...it's able to create plant-based meat with the same "appearance, texture and flavor of animal meat,"...
This is like saying a Sex Doll has the same, "appearance, texture and flavor" of a real woman.
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Actually it can feel better.
Re:Could, Would, Should (Score:4, Funny)
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Never tried the steak.
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One of those involves meat we're not talking about. /s ;-)
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TMI!!
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Only if it's an animatronic robot sex doll that is indistinguishable from a real women.
Re: Could, Would, Should (Score:2)
Itâ(TM)s weird. I eat steak for the nutrients. Not for its texture.
Iâ(TM)m sure thereâ(TM)s a market for these texture foods, but Iâ(TM)m not it.
Maybe it they made broccoli shaped burgers from actual beef I might be game.
Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:2)
I wonder whatâ(TM)s the point of printing a steak when the raw material itself is already edible. There is likely million ways to prepare it. Or, will there be a DRM system where the printer removes some deadly component from it?
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I like the taste of meat yet I appreciate that these plant based alternatives have a far lower environmental impact.
Currently they are not exactly healthier than meat. There may be no cholesterol, but they are quite oily to make them tasty enough. I assume that the brands are working on a lighter future generations of these products. Even so, they are notic
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What about additives in those brands? I haven't tried those, though I had a few other fake meats that tasted not quite like meat, but were tasty enough in their own right. But like most heavily processed foods they have a lot of additives and tons of salt in them.
The Impossible Burger has some leghemoglobin which other faux meats lack. This protein aids in the coloration and flavor.
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Fats are good for you. It's the carbs in the plant burgers that make them crap. Real meat is protein, and fats, and more protein. The oil in your fake burgers is not the problem.
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Cooked meat is delicious. Creating fake accurate meat is a great idea and potential market.
Should people wear fake furs because they're beautiful and supple? Or should they avoid even fake furs because of some imagined ontological transubstantiation with the real thing?
Looking at the decimal places. . . . (Score:2)
More importantly, the economics and infrastructure required.
First, you need a food-grade 3d printer with appropriate capabilities. I rather suspect that a USD ~200 Ender3 is not going to do the job.
Second, you need the appropriate feedstock. Which likely will require special handling and refrigeration, and likely several different feedstocks for a single steak print.
Third, you need **TIME**. Given plastic 3D prints as a guideline, this could be hours to days for a print.
Obviously, this will not be a home
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I wonder whatâ(TM)s the point of printing a steak when the raw material itself is already edible.
Because perhaps they like the texture and taste of steak, which would almost certainly not be the same when the pre-printed "goop" is cooked.
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It is like a woman wanting to fuck someone other than her husband so, instead of going out and getting a boyfriend, she buys a dildo, aka a battery operated boyfriend.
Re:Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:5, Interesting)
There seems to be a bit of resentment there which I'm sure has more going on than the fact other people are ok eating vegetables to live. I'm not sure where the "stupid people" comes from as there are over a billion people who live entirely healthy lives with either fully vegan or various vegetarian with animal product diets (ovo-, ovolacto-vegetarian) etc. The biggest risk is low B12 which can be remedied with an occasional pill.
"Malnourished" is one perspective. "Having an statistically higher risk of heart disease and other issues versus a vegetarian diet" is another.
That said, most of the meat-texture products are for people who eat or have eaten meat in their lives, who want to transition to either vegetarian or more vegetable-based diet.
Also - on a subjective basis, some people vegetarian products actually taste better or are easier to digest than their meat based counterparts. I don't know about you but the Burger King Impossible Whopper has grown on me. I eat meat, but their meat is low quality to begin with, and the Impossible Whopper actually tastes better and digests better as far as I'm concerned. If you've eaten before, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about when it's sitting in your stomache and burp it up later. So on the infrequent occasion when I eat BK, I'll seek out the Impossible Whopper because I like it.
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Do you want to 3D print one at home though? It is bound to be cheaper to just buy one at the supermarket.
3D printing makes sense if it's low volume or expensive parts but not for a steak or a burger. I just don't see why you would want to 3D print one of those.
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Yes, I have nothing against vegans and I'm mostly one myself. If the stuff itself becomes available one could likely make meatballs etc from it. But, if it's only about creating the perfect steak in a complex multi layer process and carefully modelled texture from the real world, it looks to me more like an art piece trying to make a meta level post-capitalist comment, than a food product.
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Mostly religious.
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More like mostly harmless. I'm not so much into absolutes.
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Maybe if they call the food printer a replicator and it makes a sound like https://www.trekcore.com/audio... [trekcore.com]
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That only works if it can make tea, Earl Grey, hot.
Re:What's the point (Score:2)
Aside from the convenience*, there's also the safety in controlling your food supply. Combine with home hydroponics a person is ready for almost any disruptive disaster.
*No perishables to ship or store. Fresh every time. Long shelf life. Waste composts better.
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I "print" meat in the back yard all the time. We call them "rabbits". . . (grin)
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Do you want to 3D print one at home though?
I didn't see anything in the article insinuating this company is intending on selling 3D printers capable of printing this meat to consumers. From another article [foodnavigator.com]: "we plan to sell the 3D printing technology directly to meat distributors in 2021, and to supermarkets in the future". So even their long term strategy doesn't include you printing these steaks at home.
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An absurd number of people buy pre-made regular hamburgers already, and pay a premium price for the service although I can't imagine why.
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So you're dumb enough to pay an extra dollar or more per patty because you can't figure out how to flatten out a handful of ground meat. Damn, and I thought Paris Hilton was stupid.
Re: Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:2)
Show me the people who bring their children on full vegan. Meaning no mother milk either. From birth.
You'll find that there are very few true vegans in the world and almost no-one who was a vegan from birth.
Why do you think parents get sued for it? Recent case was in Australia. The kid will be a retard for life....and they gave the 'parents' 3 months public service (but they took the kid from them forever).
For the millionth time allegedly intelligent people talk nonsense because of political bias. Open just
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Um, human breast milk is completely vegan https://cadryskitchen.com/clar... [cadryskitchen.com] . I honestly don't know how you got it in your head that it wasn't.
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Um, human breast milk is completely vegan https://cadryskitchen.com/clar... [cadryskitchen.com] . I honestly don't know how you got it in your head that it wasn't.
Since it comes from an animal, I would have classified it as an animal product, much the same way we classify cow or goat milk. Since humans produce milk for their own young, there is no moral quandary surrounding a human baby sucking its mother's breast. There are moral and health questions regarding drinking another species' milk.
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That is a great page. It just shows how stupid the whole topic is when they entire thesis is that accepting breast milk as vegan isn't arbitrary and then proceeds to provide nothing but a completely arbitrary justification for it.
No sorry there's nothing "vegan" about breast milk, other than the vegan philosophy of self-justifying everything they say, moving the goal posts around like it's a more important part of the game than kicking the ball itself.
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You're certainly entitled to your irrational beliefs like mothers milk isn't vegan but as a bit of advice, don't expect anyone to think you're an intelligent or insightful person when sounding off on them. I mean, you could also make the claim that things grains aren't vegan because there's always bound to be some level of insect matter in them but that would also be stupid.
Generally the world is not a black and white but one of shades of grey. Of course veganism has practical exceptions.
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You might as well insist that anyone who's against bestiality should be against people having sex with people too, because after all people are animals too.
Are you seriously unclear on why someone who's a vegan for ethical reasons would see an ethical difference between human products and those of other animals? You can literally ask the woman if she's happy to supply the milk, and get her signature on a release form... which you cannot do with other species.
I'm an omnivore, and I don't find the distinction
Re: Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:2)
Digestion is not a matter of opinion though. Does your body extract more useful nutrients from the Beyond vs the beef?
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There is also resources. For the current levels of demand, meat needs to be mass produced in large farms. This isn't the small farm with a few dozen cattle, a pond where they can drink, and hundred acres of land for them to feed. There is pumped water, specialized grown grain, they are farmed in a smaller areas but need more resources shipped to them so demand can be met.
Cattle eat a good number of the crops we grow, and it isn't 1 to 1. Because the cattle done eat 100 calories of grain to produce 100
Re: Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:2)
You are absolutely correct.
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"textbook example of a foodstuff that's been heavily processed" Don't be daft. Most of the "heavily processed" issues concern meat (sausages, etc.) and white flour and sugar.
Re: Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:2)
Sodium is probably the least of your worries when looking at the ingredients of some of these things.
Want to be vegan? More power to you. But in my opinion these foods qualify as processed junk, and not what I would consider vegan other than in a purely technical sense.
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People who are lifelong vegetarians since birth know that eating meat is unethical, disgusting and unhealthy
Apart from the all vitamins and nutrients that are ONLY in meat products.
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Unethical, perhaps. But it is literally not disgusting, but the opposite. I'm not saying some haven't worked themselves into a frenzy, but if quality fake meat had been available, this would not even be a thing.
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People who are lifelong vegetarians since birth know that eating meat is unethical, disgusting and unhealthy
Really? I think you meant to say, "People who are lifelong members of $RELIGION_MINE since birth know that members of $RELIGION_ANYOTHER are unethical, disgusting and unhealthy."
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Yikes. You really don't wanna learn about the gross nature of sex.
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Declining slashpopulation explained. Alright who blabbed?
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You could be an occasional meat eater who wants to reduce your intake but still craving to dig your teeth into a dead animal's flesh. If it helps people who have a hard time reducing their meat consumption to eat less met, why TF not? It's funny how the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd is quick to ignore scientific facts about the negative health effects of (high) meat consumption. I bet if you'd have to pay the real cost of production for your lump of deceased bovine, you' consider becoming a vegetarian (at least for the most part) as well.
I know people whose bodies have a hard time processing meat. A good quality substitute would be great for them. Humans have evolved as omnivores. Look at our teeth. We have teeth for grinding, for tearing, and for cutting. We survived long harsh winters when plants were limited by hunting. In general we eat too much meat now.
Re: Whatâ(TM)s the point (Score:2)
Meat is bad only because of research that considers coke and fries (vegan stuff) to be part of the meat diet.
More modern research on meat, often more carefully executed, is overwhelmingly positive on meat eating.
No way Jose (Score:2)
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If it's plant-based it is not meat (Score:5, Insightful)
And if it's not meat, it can't be a steak.
anyone saying otherwise: false advertising. Over here in europe I think there's even a law in the works that would force shops and manufacturers to stop calling vegetarian food or vegan food products by misleading names.
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"eating healthy"
Yea, just keep telling yourself that. We are still fighting against the whole fat is bad for you bullshit from the last half century.
I am tired of people "deciding" what is or is not healthy at levels like this. Protein is what your body is made out of and a "Well-Balanced Diet" is the best way... the problem is that the balance depends on several factors that we are still working out. Your genetics, gut flora, environmental association... there is just so much to still learn and one of t
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There's a difference between outlawing "steak" that is really vegetarian, as a trick -- laws against fraud are old -- and outlawing "Fake Steak" as a label because of some busibody in service to the meat industry.
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Yea I only eat meat from carnivorous cows. The ones that roam in packs hunting down wolves and foxes. Not from those silly plant-based cows that eat grains and grasses.
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Don't forget nutmeat.
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And if it's not meat, it can't be a steak.
anyone saying otherwise: false advertising. Over here in europe I think there's even a law in the works that would force shops and manufacturers to stop calling vegetarian food or vegan food products by misleading names.
Geesh. I though Americans were litigious. Are you also going to enact legislation to stop EVs from being called "cars" because they don't have IC engines? Why would this even matter? People who want meat are not going to be bamboozled by marketing -- one glance at the ingredient list is all it should take to clear up any confusion about the composition of the product. Or do Europeans really need that much hand-holding at the supermarket? Seriously, man, get some perspective.
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People don't expect hot dogs to contain dog.
Coffee "creamers" are a billion dollar industry in the US, but most people understand that "creamers" contain no cream. To further muddy the waters, "non-dairy" "creamers" usually contain casein -- a protein derived from milk.
And don't get me started on "Fat-free half and half".
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That's silly (Score:2)
This is like how you can't call artificial diamonds a diamond. It's still a diamond. And a plant based steak is still a steak. As long as you don't pass it off as a Beef steak there's no issue.
For the record I'm not really a vegetarian (I eat eggs, fish & dairy) I just don't like the taste of meat so it's easier to tell folks "I'm a ve
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Indeed, and it's not a tomato pretending to look like a beef steak.
Prototype versus production (Score:2)
While this is good and all, it has no chance of arriving in 2021 because they are working on prototypes in labs. This is a long way from mass production and distribution which has an entirely different set of challenges.
A meat heavy diet is ecologically unsustainable so it's good to see advancements in the faux meat market. If nothing else, I'm sure future Mars colonists will appreciate it. :)
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Half raw meat tastes bland. Pressure cooked and then seared steak is, on the other hand, quite nice.
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Wish I had mod points today. This is the thing I'll never understand, there are plenty of delicious meat free options should you choose to adhere to that type of diet. Eating "3-D Printed" plantburgers or plantsteaks chocked full of salt and chemicals to make them taste like meat seems to me to be orthogonal to a healthy diet. But yeah, I love meat and even I get a taste for a delicious Portobello from time to time. It's not a steak, but it's also not industrial plant-food-product.
Unless of course you don't
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Seems obvious to me (Score:4, Insightful)
Why? Because some people want to eat steak but don't want to eat animals. Obviously that's not you but the fake meat business is booming right now so there is certainly a market for this type of thing.
To be honest I've always been baffled by people who are baffled by fake meat. Don't get me wrong, I eat meat but I don't see a single thing contradictory about liking the taste of meat but not wanting to eat animal flesh.
That's nice (Score:2)
The printer tech sounds good, but the fact that they're using plant-based protein as stock is not particularly interesting. When are we going to get the vat-grown protein?
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You need the fats for real flavor. Try making a hamburger out of steak tartar, no cheese, if you wanna see.
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Presumably they'll figure out marbling. Eventually.
The main thing is to avoid isoflavones. Not everyone wants that in their food.
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The printer tech sounds good
Why? How many 3D printers do you think will be needed to meet any real demand for this?
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Oh a lot of them. It's a start though.
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Why would I do it at home?? (Score:2)
Look, I'm totally on board with meat alternatives, but why the heck would I want to "print" my own at home?? I have a 3D printer. It's a great hobby for a tinkering nerd. But it's finicky to get it working perfectly. The printers that "just work" are over $1000, and often many thousands of dollars (and even they don't always "just work"). And now they want to add issues around food safety to the equation? How is a regular person expected to properly clean and calibrate the thing? And if it "just works", how
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Because compared to the entire system that's meat, print at home* would considerably flatten that aspect of the food chain. Might even make it safer overall.
*Technology doesn't really need to be "at home". A convenience, but not necessary. But production can be moved closer to the consumer without all the downsides of the traditional way.
If You Don't Eat Your Meat (Score:2)
Then you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
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I'll wait for the 4D version (Score:2)
Why oh why (Score:2)
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Meanwhile it reality.... (Score:2)
Meanwhile in reality the fake meat business is booming https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/2... [cnbc.com] .
But feel free to stay living under that rock.
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"Waiter! I'm ready to order. Yes, I looked over the selection, and I decided to go with your 3D-Printed plant-based steak, cooked medium." -said no one
You wouldn't order that? Yeah, me neither.
If I went to a restaurant where steaks cost $50, I'd want a real one, too.
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"Waiter! I'm ready to order. Yes, I looked over the selection, and I decided to go with your 3D-Printed plant-based steak, cooked medium." -said no one
You wouldn't order that? Yeah, me neither.
If I went to a restaurant where steaks cost $50, I'd want a real one, too.
You're overpaying if you're spending $50 on a steak at Ruth's Chris. It went way down hill once you started seeing them in all the hotels. Now it's really no better than a Longhorn or Outback level place. Odds are wherever you live, you can find a small, local restaurant with much better food for as much or cheaper than you will there.
Diamond Age approaches (Score:2)
Neal Stephenson's novel Diamond Age takes place in a future in which only the wealthy have access to "real" goods such as furniture made from real wood, clothing made from actual cloth, and so on. The poors have to make do with mass-produced synthetic shit similar to what came out of Star Trek replicators, or today's 3-D printers, or whatever kind of machinery produces fake "meat".
I prefer the plant-based meat that comes off the bones of real cows, lovingly raised, fed on God's green grass, and humanely sl
Already exists (Score:2)
If it's anything like "Beyond Burgers", then this guy demonstrates how they did it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
True junk food. (Score:2)
Yeah, nothing more "healthy" than artificial highly processed matter with its natural cell structure and protein folding completely and thouroughly ruined . . .
It's like they never heard of cell apoptosis, denaturing and the digestive microbiome. Like they won't completely change the way it's digested and what effects it has on the body. As if they can get a chicken from a boiled egg, and resesrch was stuck in the 60s.
Not surprising though, given that vegans are always city dwellers who haven's seen any nat
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Here, have a Snickers.
nothing like it ... (Score:2)
where else can you find a more highly processed pile of chemicals on your plate meant to 'simulate' some other experience.
low carb foods got me from 400 to 215 (Score:2)
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Can we feed the poor with this? (Score:2)
No. Please stop. Just eat the vegetables as is.
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The labeling may be illegal, but not the actual product.
I am sure after the iPhone came out, and phone companies had to revamp their models, they were calling them company name iphones for a while until legal and marketing came up with their own names.
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bought and paid for by the meat industry
so what? it is factually wrong to call something meat when its plant based. it is factually wrong to call something "chicken" or "beef" if it does not contain chicken or beef respectively.
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No, those laws exist to protect consumers from false advertising. In jurisdictions that protect consumers from such, you don't go around calling your product something that it isn't.
Words like "meat", "steak", "beef", etc.... these words by themselves still have real-world meanings. And to that extent, the whole idea of "plant-based meat" is kind of an oxymoron... but to be fair, it