Californians Must Wear Face Masks in Public Under Coronavirus Order Issued by Newsom (latimes.com) 237
Gov. Gavin Newsom on Thursday ordered all Californians to wear face coverings while in public or high-risk settings, including when shopping, taking public transit or seeking medical care, following growing concerns that an increase in coronavirus cases has been caused by residents failing to voluntarily take that precaution. From a report: Newsom's order comes a week after Orange County rescinded a requirement for residents to wear masks and as other counties across California are debating whether to join other local jurisdictions in mandating face coverings. The Newsom administration did not address how the new requirement will be enforced or if Californians who violate the order will be subject to citations or other penalties. "Simply put, we are seeing too many people with faces uncovered -- putting at risk the real progress we have made in fighting the disease," Newsom said in a statement. "California's strategy to restart the economy and get people back to work will only be successful if people act safely and follow health recommendations. That means wearing a face covering, washing your hands and practicing physical distancing." Until now, state public health officials had only recommended that Californians wear the face coverings which, if worn by someone with the virus, have been shown to decease chances of spreading it to others.
Funny Tan Lines (Score:5, Funny)
Going to be a bunch of funny tan lines in the next several months
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Christ I wish I lived in CA (Score:5, Insightful)
And no "I have a medical condition" doesn't cut it. You can wear a lose fitting mask and still get a lot of benefits. The point is to wear a sneeze guard. I don't need you to Darth Vader it up (though you're certainly welcome to).
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I'm surrounded by folk not in masks at the store. Masks provide very little protection to yourself but a lot to others. But thanks to it being turned into a political issue and the State I'm in many (often older high risk individuals) refuse to wear them.
My wife was in a supermarket this morning and saw a guy not wearing a mask (and the state and shop explicitly require it). But he *was* using a plastic bag on his hand in order to pick up fresh produce.
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Because *some* protests are great in a pandemic*. *Some* protests are only moronic morons being moronic.
The reader can decide which is which based on their own team picking.
*where pandemic is either super serious, or completely not serious, depending on your mood.
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It should be:
"I have to think that opening stores, with social distancing, restaurants at only 25-50% capacity, etc...are NOT the main causes of the spikes in cases we're seeing....."
And:
"No one is saying it, but I gotta think that with those masses all packed together like sardines...yelling and shouting, many without masks, exerting themselves and breathing heavy, that this HAS to likely be some of the largest super spreader cell gatheri
If you mean the protests they're probably fine (Score:2)
It's mostly call centers, restaurants and churches that are the problem. The key is they're indoors. When your outdoors it's much harder f
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And honestly, that's the best case scenario for the country. Sucks for the people going, everyone related to them, and everyone who comes in contact with them.
But what does it take to make people understand but mass tragedy?
Facts and science haven't worked. What else will? A Keith Urban song? A John Deer marketing campaign?
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Just as much as you're willing to let a whole bunch of children die by drowning by refusing to outlaw bathtubs and swimming pools. Why do you hate children? See how that works?
Yep. That tells us all we need to know about you. You've made up a strawman to attack, because the question is too uncomfortable for you to just answer. Shit like that is why we can't have decent conversations anymore.
I think a sense of panic would be justified for a disease with a death toll unprecedented in modern history. That would mean something on the order of a couple standard deviations from the mean of deaths...
In the US the annual flu kills ballpark 30k people. (10 year average.) "A couple of standard deviations" above that is 300k to 3m. Right now we're at 120k from COVID, assuming that's not an undercount, which it could be. Projections give anywhere between 200k and 300k by the time this is all
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Are they going to be enforcing this
No, not at all. It is not an order. It says "guidance", therefor compliance is optional.
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Are they going to be enforcing this on all the protesters and rioters?
No one is saying it, but I gotta think that with those masses all packed together like sardines...yelling and shouting, many without masks, exhorting themselves and breathing heavy, the HAS to likely be some of the largest super spreader cell gatherings that we've seen and they've been going on for weeks now.
Why is no one addressing this?
How do you suggest we address it?
Should we have the police wade into the mass of anti-police protesters and start arresting them for not wearing their masks?
I don't think that is going to be in everyone's best interests...
Re: Christ I wish I lived in CA (Score:2)
The order doesn't apply to outdoor areas unless it's unfeasible to be 6 feet apart. Most protests are in the streets where there's plenty of room.
The precise wording hinges on whether it's feasible to be apart. Which implies that you're not at fault for incidental encounters and - more importantly - if the police start corralling everyone into a small space.
And besides, the vast majority of protesters are wearing masks.
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But let me say this, I am not in the habit of wearing a mask. The one I got from a Kaiser visit wore out and at the end, it felt like I had a wad of cat hair on my face.
So, I am not making a political statement nor am I trying to be a douche. I just
Re:Christ I wish I lived in CA (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess Darwin works in mysterious ways and I'll be taken out for my forgetfulness.
No, other people will be taken out due to your ineptitude. You can easily obtain a cloth mask from tons of places, or even make one yourself. There is no excuse.
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I wish I lived in CA
You do know they mean "California" here, not "Canada", right?
This place (California) is a shithole. As indicated by the headline, many people here aren't wearing masks. With many municipalities refusing to enforce these rules, I don't think that will be changing soon, either.
Re:Christ I wish I lived in CA (Score:4, Funny)
We all can't have fallout bunkers with years supply of food. We do need to go to the stores to pickup things we need.
I am in NY where this rule has been around for a while. And still it seems like the High Risk Elderly people with Red Hats are going around without them. Luckily most store are turning these people around, until they follow the law.
Re:Christ I wish I lived in CA (Score:5, Funny)
Why are you at a store?
To buy things. Stores are for buying things. The buying of things occurs at stores.
You should be staying home
That would be silly, my home doesn't sell things! That's what stores are for. Where you go to buy things.
Facemasks saved New York (Score:4, Interesting)
Really interesting statistics. After flat lining for weeks, the masks killed the infection rate.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
Grocery delivery (Score:2)
my home doesn't sell things!
I guess you could bring the store into your home, seeing as many grocery chains offer delivery nowadays.
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Common sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Common sense (Score:4, Funny)
No, it has to do with science. Scientists are trained at liberal universities. Thus, science has a liberal bias.
Checkmate, sheeple!
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Here is the science on Masks in NY (Score:2)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
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Most of us don't understand what "âoeIn publicâ" means. So terribly defined. I just wish Siri could help us understand what it means!
For everyone who is going to bitch about it (Score:5, Insightful)
Think of it this way:
It's a whole lot easier on everyone to simply wear a mask in public vs the lockdowns and closing of public venues for X amounts of time.
The former is rather cheap and easy to do, the latter crushes the economy, destroys businesses and adds to unemployment.
I can finally get my inner Ninja on without folks freaking out over it :P
Re:For everyone who is going to bitch about it (Score:4, Interesting)
For everyone who is going to bitch about it...
The people who are going to bitch about it don't care about being reasonable. The people who are going to bitch about it are going to sue the state while bitching about it all the way. Then they will continue bitching about it after they have lost. Hell, we had a civil war and they are still bitching about it centuries later.
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No throwing necessary. You can calculate it: HIT = 1 - 1/R0 .
As for your extrapolating for the flu, that's apples-to-oranges. Influenza is a family of viruses whose most recent common ancestor lived many thousands of years ago. All the COVID-19 circulating in the world today descends from a single infectious event that occured may be eight to nine months ago.
Now if we simply let COVID-19 smolder indefinitely all over the world, it is possible that it may achieve enough genetic diversity to reemerge as a s
It also can be used as a douche detector... (Score:5, Insightful)
Reposting link to ACTUAL order from Newsom: (Score:2)
What about the other states? (Score:3)
Many claim this site is too US centric, well I am complaining it is to CA centric.
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Well if you look at the COVID-19 trends for the individual states, California is the one having the most trouble getting a handle on it [jhu.edu].
And before someone somehow twists this into a "haha liberal states are the problem", it does seem like the lockdowns worked in other states:
Washington [jhu.edu]
New York [jhu.edu]
New York's masks killed Covid (Score:2)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
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...and keep in mind that it's the conservative areas like Orange County that are being idiots.
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I've thought about creating an international Slashdot. There used to be Japanese one. Except I think it would flop, because we all secretly come here to enjoy the warm glow from the dumpster fire.
WHAT progress? (Score:2)
Newsome: "... putting at risk the real progress we have made in fighting the disease,"
What progress?
Since the Memorial Day beach party and the start of the riots, California's rate of new infections has nearly doubled, to more than 4,000 per day. "Reopening" was supposed to be conditioned on a couple weeks of DROPPING infection rates.
"Putting at risk" doesn't described it. More like "blew it away and we've got to start over".
At lest we're not quite on the 10x every 9 days exponential. But we've got a lo
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That's funny, I would have thought the hundreds of thousands protesting would have been more of a covid problem then the hundreds rioting.
Pretty sure I can name at least one news outlets where you get your news from.
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That's funny, I would have thought the hundreds of thousands protesting would have been more of a covid problem then the hundreds rioting.
I was under the impression that the protesters were doing a better job of keeping distance and wearing masks, which is why I didn't mention them. Yes, they're probably at increased risk, too, and contributing to the stats - but not as much per-capita as the bad guys.
Or at lest that's what some of my neighbors report. Though my townhouse is about four blocks from one of
freedom or security? I choose freedom (Score:2)
as an adult and perfectly capa
Re:freedom or security? I choose freedom (Score:4, Insightful)
Okay, this is an entertaining argument...
[...] driving to the store I'm far more at risk than the virus and at the mercy of others' driving skills (or lack of) and I don't see anyone going out of their way to accommadate my preferences for how they should drive just to minimize my risk and others on the road
First, this being the Internet, you have to have a car analogy. "I risk my life every day just driving to work." Yes, but ideally you don't risk other people's lives driving to work. Because, if you do, there's a good chance that the government will punish you in some way. And, speaking as a motorist, I have a hard time believing that you would bear no animosity to the person who almost hit you--"If they want to drive with their knees while texting on their phone, that's just the way they are."
To go back to your car analogy, we have a set of legal principles regarding motor vehicles--things like "right of way." We expect people to obey traffic rules in order to protect each other. We punish people who disobey those laws. In many states, we require motorists to be insured in the event that they injure or kill another person so that they won't have to suffer due to the actions of another person.
as an adult and perfectly capable of deciding for myself how to risk my life; others can do the same w/out insisting I cater to their desires.... if they feel at risk, I wish them the best, but it's not my problem, nothing personal; freedom has a price and it's personal responsibility and not having some concept of 'security' based on others making decisions for me [...]
To use the libertarian line, "Your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins."
Speaking of personal responsibility, so if you were to infect me with a disease, I assume you would pay my medical bills and lost wages. So as a person who seems to be big on the whole "personal responsibility" thing, you'd be fine paying the bills of the people you infect and the people they infect and so on. After all, you would be responsible for their condition--remember that whole "your right to swing your fist" thing. If your actions affect others, you are responsible for the effects of your actions. You may have the right to free speech, for example, but if you yell "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't claim you're not responsible for the pandemonium that might ensue.
It is lost on some people (Score:3, Interesting)
- Today I saw an elderly woman in produce take her mask off to lick her fingers to open the plastic bag to put her produce in. She kept doing it since she could not get the bag open.
- People walking around with the mask covering the mouth and not the nose.
- People incessantly touching everything and then touching every part of their mask, inside and out.
- Taking the mask off to cough. Worse taking the mask off the cough and not covering their mouth. Seen this quite a bit.
- Getting up close to someone to talk to them and taking the mask off.
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Do as I say, not as I do (Score:2)
Re:Incorrect (Score:4, Informative)
Not sure why this is posted. That isn't what the order says. Did anyone even read the order?
That's exactly what the order says.
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Progra... [ca.gov]
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The specific quote in question is that people in CA must wear a face covering:
While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of 6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible.
So, indeed, it is not required if you are 6' away from other people outdoors. (Admittedly, it is poorly phrased.)
However, that's stupid when you're walking down a sidewalk with a lot of other people (like everyone out walking their dog here in LA).
Re:Incorrect (Score:4, Informative)
People in California must wear face coverings when they are in the high-risk
situations listed below:
Inside of, or in line to enter, any indoor public space;
1
Obtaining services from the healthcare sector in settings including, but not
limited to, a hospital, pharmacy, medical clinic, laboratory, physician or
dental office, veterinary clinic, or blood bank;2
Waiting for or riding on public transportation or paratransit or while in a
taxi, private car service, or ride-sharing vehicle;
Engaged in work, whether at the workplace or performing work off-site, when:
Interacting in-person with any member of the public;
Working in any space visited by members of the public, regardless
of whether anyone from the public is present at the time;
1 Unless exempted by state guidelines for specific public settings (e.g., school or childcare center)
2 Unless directed otherwise by an employee or healthcare provider
June 18, 2020
Working in any space where food is prepared or packaged for sale
or distribution to others;
Working in or walking through common areas, such as hallways,
stairways, elevators, and parking facilities;
In any room or enclosed area where other people (except for
members of the person’s own household or residence) are present
when unable to physically distance.
Driving or operating any public transportation or paratransit vehicle, taxi,
or private car service or ride-sharing vehicle when passengers are present.
When no passengers are present, face coverings are strongly
recommended.
While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of
6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or
residence is not feasible
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While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of 6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible
This makes it sound like you can still reasonably comply while enjoying yourself at a park, beach, trail, etc., if it is not extremely crowded.
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While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of 6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible
So I can go to the park, or the beach, or walk through my neighborhood and as long as I'm 6 feet from strangers - I don't have to wear a mask.
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While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of 6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible
So I can go to the park, or the beach, or walk through my neighborhood and as long as I'm 6 feet from strangers - I don't have to wear a mask.
Yes.
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If some believe they have to wear one no matter what then let them. It is for better or for worse a good description of it or else you'd have to memorise every detail and exception of it and soon you'll have people getting it wrong.
People in California must wear face coverings when they are in the high-risk situations listed below:
- Inside of, or in line to enter, any indoor public space
- Obtaining services from the healthcare sector in settings including, but not limited to, a hospital, pharmacy, medical c
Re: Incorrect (Score:5, Informative)
The order ACTUALLY says:
If you're indoors and in public, you have to wear a mask.
If you're outdoors and can't socially distance, you have to wear a mask.
If you're taking public or shared transit, you have to wear a mask.
If you're waiting for public or shared transit, you have to wear a mask.
If you are waiting outside for health services, you have to wear a mask.
Re:Incorrect (Score:4, Informative)
While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of 6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible
You're only required to wear the mask outside when you cannot stay 6 feet apart from those outside your household.
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I love slashdot. The sky is blue. No the sky is red goddammit!
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Re:Great... (Score:4, Informative)
Because that's what the studies show to do. Science. Research.
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Studies? You mean those CDC flip flops about wear the mask/don't wear the mask? Even the vaunted Dr. Fauci has gone back and forth on this. Again, if you accept the premise that wearing a mask prevents the spread of Covid-19 then staying 6 feet away is completely unnecessary. Six feet, six inches, six miles....it doesn't matter. If we need to do both then the logical conclusion is that the mask alone doesn't work.
This whole mask thing has just turned into a virtue signaling fashion statement. Take a look on
Re:Great... (Score:4, Funny)
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Studies? You mean those CDC flip flops about wear the mask/don't wear the mask? Even the vaunted Dr. Fauci has gone back and forth on this.
The reason that face coverings weren't recommended at first was because of people like you. The concern from experts was that too many people would just loosely wrap a bandanna around their mouth (which is only minimally effective) and ignore the advice to stay away from other people. As it has turned out, though, a lot of people took the guidance seriously enough that they got surgical masks or made effective masks (typically using multiple layers of fabric with a tighter weave) at home. It's also starting
Re:Great... (Score:5, Informative)
Even home made masks cut transmission by 75%. If the R0 is 2 and everyone cuts transmission by 75% then the R0 goes to 0.5 and the virus dies out.
But of course that means 25% of infections could still happen so you still should keep your distance.
The faster the virus dies out, the faster life can go back to normal.
Re:Great... (Score:4, Informative)
Just curious...if the masks are supposed to work then why are we being to told to maintain a 6 foot distance from others? If the mask is supposed to prevent the transmission of disease then what difference does it make how far apart we are? Or if it is more important to be 6 feet apart then why do you need to wear a mask?
Staying away from people is more effective, so that's the preferred option. Wearing a mask is for when you can't stay away from other people, like when you're at the grocery store.
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Actual N-95 masks are only good for about eight hours, then they clog up so you can no longer breathe through them. If that doesn't happen, you're not wearing it right.
Most people are wearing cloth masks, which are not nearly as effective, and consequently last pretty much forever. You really should wash it regularly though.
You know what the "95" in N95 stands for? 95% of particles filtered out. That means 5% left. And that's actually an average over a range of particle sizes, with more efficacy at some siz
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That's not really true [lavenderhat.org]. Even in oily air conditions, respirators are rated for 40 hours of use. In normal use, you should be able to use it continuously for weeks. The reason not to wear a mask for a long period of time is that if you are exposed to biological contaminants (e.g. viruses, bacteria), they won't stay trapped by the fibers forever. So at some point, it makes sense to either disinfect it or leave it to dry out for a week.
Re:Zero evidence to support these policies (Score:5, Informative)
There are zero studies or data to show that facial coverings do anything to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
A quick Google search proves this statement completely and utterly false. There are numerous studies that show the effectiveness of using face masks to reduce the spread of COVID-19. Masks do not confer immunity in any way, but they can and do slow the spread of the disease.
Here is a study (Score:2)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
Re:Zero evidence to support these policies (Score:4, Informative)
False. There is at least one study (one is not zero). Here is the study [pnas.org] and it reaches the conclusion: "The mitigation measures are discernable from the trends of the pandemic. Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the trends of the pandemic. This protective measure significantly reduces the number of infections. Other mitigation measures, such as social distancing implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public."
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Results from cluster randomized controlled trials on the use of masks among young adults living in university residences in the United States of America indicate that face masks may reduce the rate of influenza-like illness, but showed no impact on risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.(62, 63) At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.
So, do we believe the WHO, or PNAS? Many here should demand we ignore any request for wearing of masks because it's not been conclusively proven in a rigorous, peer-reviewed actual trial.
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From the same document you linked:
However, taking into account the available studies evaluating
pre- and asymptomatic transmission, a growing compendium
of observational evidence on the use of masks by the general
public in several countries, individual values and preferences,
as well as the difficulty of physical distancing in many
contexts, WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to
prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of
community transmission, governments should encourage the
general public to wear masks in specific situations and
settings as part of a comprehensive approach to suppress
SARS-CoV-2 transmission
Please take the politics out of this.
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Please take the politics out of this.
Yes, please do! The WHO even states in your quote:
governments should encourage the general public to wear masks in specific situations and settings
It's not any time you're in public, like TFS claims. Not at all.
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LynnwoodRooster, please work on your reading comprehension! Or are you deliberately trying to mislead people?
The article says there's no direct evidence that making a healthy person wear a mask prevents them from getting COVID-19, but just two paragraphs up from the one you quoted, it says: "the use of a medical mask can prevent the spread of infectious droplets from a symptomatic infected person (source control) to someone else".
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Yes, actually he seems to enjoy spreading disinformation and taking quotes entirely out of context to "prove" the opposite of what was actually meant.
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The WHO Backtracked (Score:2)
The theory was they were trying to avoid a run on N95 masks from dumb people who won't understand the difference.
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Wrong ...
A recent study by a German non-profit economic think-tank [iza.org] compared regions in Germany that implemented mandatory mask laws. The study suggested mask laws could reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by 40 per cent.
And there is a WHO study that confirms masks are effective in reducing COVID-19 [www.cbc.ca].
Other studies show that masks do reduce
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These are "faith-based" policies....nothing more.
Yep. I have faith in epidemiologists and medical professionals. Who do you have faith in? Jesus? Don't make me laugh.
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General pop isn't dying but there are worse things (Score:2)
And then there's this guy [wusa9.com].
Yes, that's a feeding tube in his stomach and yes that scare on his neck is from them cutting him open to intubate. He's alive though.
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Months actually doesn't seem very plausible. The rate of mutation for coronaviruses is very slow relative to most other RNA viruses, because they have built-in error correction — as slow as some of the faster DNA viruses, even — so previous deadly coronavirus epid
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Yeah, that's how people did medical research up until about the late 1980s. Then we figured out that just making assumptions, even reasonable sounding ones, wasn't really such a good idea.
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Nah, they just made crime legal. Much easier.
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My brother-in-law said, "I never thought I'd be able to go into a bank wearing a mask and not get arrested."
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I gotta admit, there was an article about how various entities are using facial recognition. But it doesn't work very well when you wear a mask...
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Of course it's tolerable. Anyone can tolerate putting some cotton cloth over half their face for an hour a day.
You know you're lucky you're not strapped to a ventilator, idling away the days, struggling to breathe, before you drown in your own fluids.
If you work with the public and you hate wearing it all day, you are welcome to quit your job and collect unemployment.
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I expect your COPD would be alot worse with a COVID infection.
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I happen to hate that there are no more stores (in the US). I can't believe that's the new normal, but it is. Drooling idiots staring at their advertising devices all day. That's normal, too.
The fact is that the US has no national leadership, health or otherwise, so this is what we're left with.
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I refuse to believe that this is now going to be 'normal' or 'permanent' though. I'd jump off a bridge if I did. We can't live like this forever. It's hellish.
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I was at the doctor bitching that a condition wasn't normal! Then back at work I got a new assignment about stuff I hadn't worked on before, and I bitched that it wasn't normal! Then i noticed I was starting to get bald, and I bitched and bitched about how that was most definitely not normal! Not normal things seem to happen to me all the damn time! OMG, things just have not been normal since I was twelve!
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"This is unpleasant waaahhhhhh. But don't you dare respond to my whining! Just because I posted it a public forum doesn't give you the right!"
Geez man, get over yourself.
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I'm not mad at all, I'm laughing at you. I wear a mask 8+ hours a day for work right now, it's a drag but I don't cry about.
I also generally don't make posts in public forums where I declare that no one is allowed to reply or have a contrary opinion on.
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Well, I don't blame you. Personally, I agree with you. I don't like wearing a mask.
That said, I wear a mask to protect other people. Because I can't guarantee that I won't transmit a disease that might kill or severely injure them. In a similar vein, I don't like driving 40 MPH. I'd rather drive 60 MPH. But I understand that my chances of killing or injuring another person increases dramatically the faster I go. So I drive the speed limit, which the government has a decided is a "safe" speed for the
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It's not natural, it's not normal, it's sure as fuck not the 'new normal', I will NEVER accept this as 'normal', and you bet your ass the very first second after all this 'mask' shit is over, it's off my face for good.
I highly recommend taking a Xanax, and by "a" I mean a hole packet of them. When you calm down you will realise that no it's not normal as you said, no one has claimed it is normal, definitely no one has said masks will be the new normal, and no one has asked you to accept it as such.
What people *HAVE* asked you to do is just wear the damn thing so you can get back to normal faster.
The whole fucking situation is utterly ridiculous regardless of any practical considerations'; you CANNOT say any of this is enjoyable, at best it's just barely tolerable.
I don't know man, there's an awful lot of people who were masturbating to precisely this long before a pandemic was even heard
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What people *HAVE* asked you to do is just wear the damn thing so you can get back to normal faster.
Sure, sure. It's essentially The Law right now until the order is recinded, and guess what? I do, but only because I have to, I don't have to like it, I don't like it, and I'll fucking complain about it if I damned well please, and if you or anyone else doesn't like that I don't like it, then eat me. We live in a day and society where you're not ALLOWED to express something like this, so I'll fucking well express it here.
I know man, we all know you're more of a troll than someone interested in socially relevant discord.
Speak for yourself.
You're not a meek, mild, politically-correct doormat, who is always looking down, mumbles when he speaks, and apologies for daring to speak his mind, therefore you must be a troll!
If that's your opinion, then screw you.
Tell you what: convince m
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at best it's just barely tolerable.
It's just wearing a mask. Don't be a big man-baby. It's a minor inconvenience.
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Steal your sister's panties and just wear those on your head.
No really, any old rag is better than nothing and satisfies most ordinances.
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It's not an "ask". If it were an "ask" it would be reasonable. Sending gunmen to police it makes it unreasonable.