Bill Gates Regrets Not Calling More Attention to the Danger of Pandemics (digitaltrends.com) 118
Digital Trends reports:
Bill Gates has been warning government leaders about a global pandemic for years, but the coronavirus still caught nations off guard — and the philanthropist and Microsoft co-founder said that's one of his biggest regrets. "I wish I had done more to call attention to the danger," Gates told the Wall Street Journal. "I feel terrible. The whole point of talking about it was that we could take action and minimize the damage...."
[C]onvincing politicians to spend vast amounts of money on something that wasn't an immediate threat proved a difficult task, according to Gates.
He told the Wall Street Journal that he regrets not pushing harder.
[C]onvincing politicians to spend vast amounts of money on something that wasn't an immediate threat proved a difficult task, according to Gates.
He told the Wall Street Journal that he regrets not pushing harder.
Risk Factor 9! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Uh, we spend only millions on asteroid research... mostly by the guys who protect the satellites that beam TV.
Re:Risk Factor 9! (Score:4, Insightful)
we spend trillions on a dick waving contest ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H the military. I call THAT a waste of money.
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It's a waste of money until you stop spending it and the King of England walks over and takes your shit.
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the us can do with 25% of what they are spending now.
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It's a waste of money considering Trump is killing more people that any foreign army or foreign terrorist could ever dream of!
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Yes we should.
Because it's not pissing it away. And it doesn't need to be a planet killer to royally screw large portions of mankind for decades. And you say it would only cost "billions" out of our global 86.60 trillion dollar economy?
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s/risk/long-term risk/
Our wetware evolved to take care of the near-term risks first. Pick the fruits and escape the lion first, then start wondering why lately it's become much harder to pick fruit or the level of the water in the watering hole has gone down.
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Why would a virus that almost always kills those beyond the age humans even lived to for most of history be a concern to our wetware?
Answer, it wouldn't be. And maybe it shouldn't be. We don't close our economy down for every flu that comes through, not even the bad ones that kill a million.
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If that's how you think, then I'm sure you'll have no problem directing your grandparents to this post.
Oh, and make sure you bookmark it for when you're 80, if you make it that old living in your mom's basement on a diet of pizza and coke, having accomplished nothing in your entire life.
Re:Risk Factor 9! (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't understand this attitude that we are defenseless. We spend a lot of effort on developing technology for and maintaining military defense and it works. We spend very little on developing medical technology but large amounts on treating rather than preventing disease. We have eradicated smallpox and were on a path to eradicate measles by vaccines as we have eliminated many other diseases https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] History of Vaccine Preventable Diseases in the USA, 1912 to 2017. We have been waiting and watching for a pandemic bird flue for over a decade, regularly slaughtering millions of birds when particular viruses are detected. This is a failure of strategic defense and the response is mostly about starting a cold war with the country where the outbreak began rather than recognition that we need a medical strategic defense. We even defunded our future research into other bat viruses because it is being done in the "wrong" country. The shutdown is treating the illness rather than preventing the disease. We need defenses against pandemic disease and anyone arguing against it is arguing that all kinds of defense spending is unecessary.
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Can't compare deaths until it is all over. Sweden may just be getting it over with faster, whilst the more locked down countries will drag it out longer and see second waves, whilst suffering added financial pain.
Re: Risk Factor 9! (Score:3)
If you're going to point to Sweden as an example of this, it's a false comparison. Sweden's government didn't *order* people to stay at home, but they did strongly suggest it. And the general population at large did engage in social distancing, despite pictures of people at bars and beaches, etc.
In addition, the deaths per capita are much higher than in neighboring countries:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/s... [wsj.com]
One aspect of this sentiment that I do find interesting is that in the US we now have states opening
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The trouble is that staying at home made no difference at all. Look at figures from countries that stayed home, vs those that didn't. The US actually didn't do too badly, compared to the South Western EU, but the countries that manned up and carried on, all have a lower death rate than the ones cowering in their basements.
That's bullocks. Hong Kong implemented significant social distancing and bans on gatherings, work from home where possible, and infection rates stopped at a thousand. We've had single digit deaths. (A similar region population-wise is Chicagoland.) We started taking precautions before the infection had a strong foothold in the region.
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"The trouble is that staying at home made no difference at all. Look at figures from countries that stayed home, vs those that didn't. The US actually didn't do too badly"
Seriously, what fucken planet are you on? I write this while sitting in NZ (thank God).
You American's are gonna get seriously fucked by COVID-19, the devastation hasn't even started in America yet. You poor bastards.
Next time, don't elect a corrupt game show host to run things, mkay?
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Interesting, suicide did not increase under NZ lockdown, in fact, there was a reduction in suicides:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nation... [stuff.co.nz]
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death toll is going to happen anyway with no vaccine, we're prolonging it is all.
We might have vaccine in over a year... but since no human coronavirus ever had vaccine approved in 60 years of trying that's just a hope not the likely reality.
Re: Risk Factor 9! (Score:2)
Apparently I did live in an alternate US. The 2017-2018 death toll was 61000. The 2018-2019 toll was 34,200. And that was with vaccination.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/... [cdc.gov]
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The novel part of NOVEL coronavirus is what makes it not like the flu. We don't close things down for the flu because we have antibodies against it and when we don't it behaves in mostly predictable ways.
Currently, we are facing a virus for which we have no antibodies, natural or artificial. Folks catching the disease are drowning in their own blood and their blood vessels are destroying themselves and clotting blood. This is the immune system "testing" reactions to see what works and s
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So what's your solution? Hide from each other behind masks, doors, and walls until a vaccine is developed? That's hardly a sure thing. It could take years. It could never come. HIV still has no vaccine, despite it's very high profile, thirty years of research, and the fact that is 100% fatal unless you hold it at bay with crushingly expensive medications for the rest of your life. And yet, people didn't cower hiding from it and each other. Hell, even in the '80s and '90s, when treatments were unavail
Wouldn't have made any difference (Score:5, Funny)
because no Windows user wanted to hear "Bill Gates" and "virus" in the same sentence anymore.
Re: Wouldn't have made any difference (Score:2)
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Along with âoeupgradeâ and âoerebootâ.
Nobody wants to hear anything you say Jarjar, it doesn't matter if it was the one or the other.
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And yet, I'm willing to bet you voted for Trump for president.
Funny you mention Bush the elder (Score:4, Interesting)
It's funny you mention Bush Sr. He's probably the last president who paid any attention to preparedness for a future pandemic. It's something he really thought about, something that worried him.
His son was at least aware, though. Maybe his dad pointed it out to him.
https://youtu.be/uSDC5L7qYUc [youtu.be]
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It's funny you mention Bush Sr. He's probably the last president who paid any attention to preparedness for a future pandemic. It's something he really thought about, something that worried him.
His son was at least aware, though. Maybe his dad pointed it out to him. https://youtu.be/uSDC5L7qYUc [youtu.be]
Apart from Obama, you mean? Because the Obama administration made sure they were prepared, and even tried to hand over their knowledge to the Trump administration. The results of this handover were predictable, but they tried.
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Yeah yeah. Raaa raaa raaa root for your favorite politiball team, I know.
In reality, Obama had other priorities. There's no evidence that a pandemic virus is what kept him up at night.
Re: Whaaa!!! (Score:2)
I guess you can call someone who founded a company worth hundreds of billions of dollars a loser, but one thing is certain heâ(TM)s more relevant than you on any day.
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Re: Whaaa!!! (Score:1)
Fair enough, was I replying to Linus Torvalds or Richard Stallman?
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It doesn't matter who you were replying to, because you didn't qualify to whom (or what) someone would be more or less relevant than someone else.
DigiShaman framed it as "in the public eye". Nobody under 50 gives a shit about Billy G. He's an old, retired billionaire pissing money away in an attempt to buy back his soul / depopulate the planet (take your pick).
DigiShaman, being some rando, likely has more family, friends, and years to live. He's objectively more relevant to the world than the former CEO
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Bill, stfu
So, freedom of speech only applies to those you agree with ?
The number of loosers posting in this thread is astounding.
Re: Bill, stfu, you're nobody (Score:1)
His options on things outside his area of expertise (corporate thuggery) are of no more value than mine. You're kind of dumb so they're probably more valid than yours but that's your issue not his specialness.
Re: Bill, stfu, you're nobody (Score:4, Insightful)
You are ignoring the fact that he has spent the many years since he left Microsoft working with governments, health and medical organisations eradicatiing disease. In some respects because of this long activity at a policy level he is one of the most qualified people in the world to speak on this subject.
Re: Bill, stfu, you're nobody (Score:1)
You fell for it. Baaaa! Baaaa!
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You fell for it. Baaaa! Baaaa!
Some people never leave the schoolyard, or at least their mind doesn't.
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Bill, stfu
So, freedom of speech only applies to those you agree with ?
The number of loosers posting in this thread is astounding.
The only "looser" here is you. Free speech doesn't enter into this. No one is telling Bill Gates that he can't speak.
Telling him to shut the fuck up is totally righteous. Forcibly shutting him up would not be.
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You made a lot of money ripping off better harder working people
Is there really any other way?
Now you tell us (Score:2)
Hindsight... (Score:2)
.. wonderful how accurate it can be...
Especially with the foresight to try to claim you had sufficient amounts of foresight beforehand, after the fact.
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That's just a universal human emotion. Although in BillG's case though, he also has have bank receipts and TED Talk footage to back it up.
Entirely unfair (Score:2)
Computer "viruses", at the very least, found a perfect target in Microsoft's monoculture strategy [wired.com]. If Bill Gates doesn't take full worldwide credit for calling attention over multiple decades to its clear, present, and continuous danger, he's signalling a wholly false sense of 'humility'.
Just list the major antivirus vendors and he can consider his responsibility in this matter fully discharged.
Enough Death Already! (Score:1)
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At least his virus problems were solved by Windows Defender.
What more was he going to do? (Score:5, Insightful)
People might have applauded him for all of his additional efforts, but I don't think they would have amounted to anything. I can't think of a single thing he could have said or done that would have made a measurable difference. The simple (and sad) fact is that people just aren't very good at dealing with problems that aren't staring them right in the face.
Realistically, this pandemic is probably about the best thing that could have happened as far as getting most of the world to take pandemics more seriously. It isn't so deadly to completely devastate a nation and even countries like Sweden that took minimal actions and generally relied on people behaving intelligently and implementing social distancing practices didn't have their healthcare system overrun. Compare that with something like MERS or Ebola where the mortality rate is at least an order of magnitude higher and it's easy to see that we're getting off lucky.
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We find ourselves in a situation where we once again believe that people who accumulate cash, with variously legal enterprises, are the best leaders. Gates
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Gates is giving away 95% of his wealth to charity. There is even a movement of which he is part of for billionairs to give their money away https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/3... [cnbc.com] These 14 billionaires just promised to give away more than half of their money like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.
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Call me when that "is giving" turns into "has given" and Gates is still alive and healthy.
Also call me when the "giving" was without strings.
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That might be the worst synopsis of that history I've ever seen.
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It's human nature. And 20 to 40 years from now, it will happen all over again.
Why would anyone listen? (Score:1)
Bill Gates is not an expert on the subject, why would anyone listen to his opinion on something he's utterly ignorant of? Talk about inflated sense of worth...
And people are saying he's so wonderful for funding vac facillities, he just wants to inject 7 billion people and get a cut of the action.
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Bill Gates is not an expert on the subject, why would anyone listen to his opinion on something he's utterly ignorant of? Talk about inflated sense of worth...
You don't need to be an expert to listen to experts, understand what they say and tell others.
Just imagine what could have happened if Trump had listened to the experts.
And people are saying he's so wonderful for funding vac facillities, he just wants to inject 7 billion people and get a cut of the action.
Cause he desperately needs the cash...
I also regret this isn't all about me (Score:1)
after all I am fantastic and I love people of all races even the portugese I think I should get more attention for my opinions
my biggest regret in all of this virus stuff is that I'm not the hero of the whole world
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Except you aren't spending billions making the world better, and Gates is.
We all hate him. Absolutely. But at the very least he's finally taking all the money he stole from everyone and is actually doing some good with it. And I'm ok with him feeling like he hasn't done enough good.
What else do you want? Him not giving a shit and making a cloud fortress on Venus, filling it with chicks, and saying "fuck all you Earth pleebs"?
Given the virus-filled world of Windows.... (Score:3)
Given the historically poor handling of safety and the most elementary security of the source of Bill Gates's enormous personal wealth, the man should not be trusted. I'm having difficulty imagining people less suited to give advice about personal or public safety.
Push Harder?? Buy PPE (Score:1)
This dude is a billionaire and our doctors and nurses were caught totally off caught with no PPE.
Seriously how hard would it have been to stockpile this stuff over the last few years?
But no his regret isnt that he didn't take action. His regret is that he didnt say more words??? wtf
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Gates spent a fortune improving global health. The reason that the US had a shortage of PPE is that everyone stripped their inventories to "just in time" to save money, then bought everything from China so the US PPE manufacturers went out of business. Then the FDA blocked the import of kn95 masks, which are plentiful globally, so hospitals could only use n95 masks (basically the same spec, but US-specific) which were in short supply because they were all made in China, and China shut down to stop the sprea
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Virus gets drop on Bill Gates. (Score:1)
Classic. /facepalm
Interesting (Score:2)
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The problem wasn't folks ignoring danger (Score:5, Insightful)
Doesn't matter what the danger is, nobody wants to pay to avert disaster. Nobody gets a ticker tape parade for quietly preventing misfortune. Hell, most of the time they get smeared for wasting money.
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Yeah, and we have large percent in charge that want to treat running the government like running a business. Not using that pandemic team, fire them. We can always hire them back later. Stock up on masks? We will just get them when we need them. Just in time inventory works for everything else, right?
It's worse than that (Score:1)
It'd be like being an Aircraft Mechanic who's convinced only birds can fly.
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Hate to say it (Score:2)
Call attention to China (Score:1)
regrets (Score:1)
Don't blame Gates, blame the leaders (Score:3)
Don't blame Bill Gates - he invest in the research, and funded the work to an amazing degree. Blame the specific world leaders who ignored the warnings. Note that not all countries ignored the warnings - APAC generally did a great job reacting quickly and effectively to the threat and came out pretty well, for example, as did many other countries. China wasted some time before responding, then did a good job locking down. The US and UK's failures aren't Gates' fault - the leaders were egotistical morons who chose to ignore their own health experts' warnings, pushing their countries into an avoidable disaster.