How Coronavirus Spread From One Member To 87% of the Singers at a Washington Choir Practice (cnn.com) 74
Public health officials studying the Covid-19 outbreak among members of a Washington choir found numerous ways the virus could have spread, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. From a report: Authorities interviewed all 122 members of the Skagit Valley Chorale, which met every Tuesday for 2.5 hours before the outbreak. They focused on two rehearsals held March 3 and March 10 in Mount Vernon, Washington. The report said 53 people were sickened and two died -- and all but one attended both rehearsals. The report said Thirty-three cases were confirmed, the report said, and 20 people had probable infections. There were 61 people at the March 10 rehearsal, including one member who reported having had cold-like symptoms. That person tested positive for Covid-19 and was the first case identified by health authorities, according to the report. That person attended both practices but didn't start showing symptoms until March 7.
Who knew (Score:5, Funny)
Exhaling into the faces of other people tightly packed into a group? Who knew that a virus could spread like that?
Oh wait. Everyone knew that.
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And outright denial that social distancing has ANY impact on spread.
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What are germs? I thought we all *know* covid 19 is caused by 5G.
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Exhaling into the faces of other people tightly packed into a group? Who knew that a virus could spread like that?
Oh wait. Everyone knew that.
Half of slashdot still believes it can't be spread that way.
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Exhaling into the faces of other people tightly packed into a group? Who knew that a virus could spread like that?
Oh wait. Everyone knew that.
Half of slashdot still believes it can't be spread that way.
Well, that may not be the best source. But you are certainly correct.
Re:Who knew (Score:5, Informative)
They weren't spread out. There were some gaps in seating because not all members were present.
The original CDC document [cdc.gov] is better than what CNN reported, and states The March 10 choir rehearsal lasted from 6:30 to 9:00 p.m. Several members arrived early to set up chairs in a large multipurpose room. Chairs were arranged in six rows of 20 chairs each, spaced 6–10 inches apart with a center aisle dividing left and right stages. Most choir members sat in their usual rehearsal seats. Sixty-one of the 122 members attended that evening, leaving some members sitting next to empty seats.
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Noooooo nooo noooo... it spreads through sex with leprechauns.
Choirs are known to be highly promiscuous.
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Exhaling into the faces of other people tightly packed into a group? Who knew that a virus could spread like that?
Oh wait. Everyone knew that.
Everyone knew it except for the guy who said these things:
January20: "I know more about viruses than anyone."
January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away... They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical."
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly."
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work â" some of them go to work, but they get better."
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
March 5: "The United States has, as of now, only 129 cases and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down⦠a tremendous job at keeping it down."
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautifulâ¦. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus."
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There is an error in the report, they do know that one person was infected, they do not know whether any of the others were also, already infected just with negligible symptoms. They only tested after symptoms and it seems only after quite aggressive symptoms, for the data to be worthwhile, all should have been tested and the test repeated daily for the following 7 days. A biased assumption that only one could have started it, puts the conclusions in doubt or that others could have been infected from other
But how many ended up sick? (Score:1, Redundant)
The summary says 20- 53 were noticeably sick (Score:4, Informative)
Not dead != No symptoms
In fact the summary says 33 were confirmed infected through testing and 20 others seemed to have it. Guess how you know all those people are sick without testing all of them?
Re:But how many ended up sick? (Score:5, Informative)
Among the 61 choir members who attended the March 10 practice, the median age was 69 years (range = 31–83 years); 84% were women. Median age of those who became ill was 69 years, and 85% of cases occurred in women.
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Among the recognized risk factors for severe illness, the most common was age, with 75.5% of patients aged [>=] 65 years. Most patients (67.9%) did not report any underlying medical conditions, 9.4% had one underlying medical condition, and 22.6% had two or more underlying medical conditions. All three hospitalized patients had two or more underlying medical conditions.
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OK, my takeaway from this is that if you're looking for a GILF, join a church choir.
Is that "God I'd Like to ..." -- I'm confused. :-)
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According to the state PHD, the youngest person in this cluster to get sick was 31.
This is pretty consistent with what we think we know about COVID-19. Anyone can get it; and anyone can have serious complications, although risks of complications are greater for people over 60 or with preexisting conditions.
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As I recall... it's basically 0.2% for each age up to 49. It rises from .2% to 2.3% at 60 and from 2.3% to 6% at 70 and 6% to 10% at 80 and and 10% to 16% by age 89. Can't recall past there but some over 100 have survived.
But kids die. teens die. young, the middle aged, the old , and the elderly all die. And many more need hospital care.
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Sounds about right, the biggest variable that no-one seems to mention is vitamin D deficiency, a billion people are vitamin D-deficient, they are literally 8 times more likely to have severe case of the COVID-19 if they get it as compared to people with good vitamin D levels..
So the governments could be preventing a lot of the deaths but good advice just isn't forthcoming. Also misleading is this 2m distancing thing, a sneeze can quickly disperse particles 8m forwards, 8m is a lot more than 2m obviously, yo
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no that's a bald faced lie.
stop listening to fox and listen to doctors.
And if I were under 50, I wouldn't focus on the deaths. i'd focus on the 1/5 who have long term heart, lung, and kidney damage plus the $30,000 in medical debts with insurance.
In Spain, where they outbreak is much worse than in the U.S., a high quality blood test for antibodies showed just 5% of the population has been exposed and have antibodies.
Go listen to MedCram or Doctor John Campbell. Stop feeding your brain lies and garbage da
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But really, how does this directly affect me? If I don't personally suffer the worst case scenario then it isn't bad and I shouldn't do anything different even if that means making others suffer said worst case scenario.
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Bonobos aren't monkeys, they're chimpanzees. Also a groovy recording artist.
The best explanation I've seen for how it spreads (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.erinbromage.com/po... [erinbromage.com]
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Want to form a betting pool? (Score:2)
What's gonna be the conspiracy spin of that?
My money is on "there is a G5 transmitter nearby".
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Aaaaaand a new contender for the most insane conspiracy theory enters the ring.
Keep 'em coming, I mean, if they believe one bullshit story, they'll believe any.
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What's gonna be the conspiracy spin of that?
My money is on "there is a G5 transmitter nearby".
NO NO NO NO NO. G5 gives you cancer, not Coronavirus. Get it right, you insensitive clod!
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How many COVID deaths are actually cancer deaths that the governments are just using to curtail our civil liberties?
It's really sad that I have to do this- but with today's slashdot audience, you can never really be sure: </sarcasm>
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Hah! That's what THEY want you to think!
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Schools, yeah those are kind of hosed at the moment.
Can't go to a theater, but if drive-ins hadn't been run into the ground that would be a good option now.
Beaches, those should be a no go.
Churches you can do online, or you could do in an open field, or have people stay in their cars and broadcast over a limited fm channel?
Restaurants, if you have enough distance, maybe. I'll still go with take out for now.
Gu
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Enclosed spaces are way worse than outdoor environments and if people are going to go out and break the rules, I'd rather them do it at a beach and not at an indoor bar. I don't want to admit it, but this may be more similar to how people view teaching young adults to practice safe sex rather than expecting them to be abstinent.
Choirs, online, would currently be terrible. It sounds like a fun challenge to synchronize each singer, though.
Oddly enough, we have a few drive-in theaters near me. It's a cool e
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With a gun store i went to you had to stay 6 feet back from the counter and could only hold a firearm if you were going to purchase it.
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>Choirs can be done online, they won't be as good as in person, but better than nothing.
Live choir performance/practice cannot be done online. It's not that they just won't be as good. It's impossible, unless you can arrange custom fiber from everyone's home. Of the many things you can do over the Internet, singing in unison is not one of them. You can't even do it over a mobile phone. It's the only reason I still have a landline :-)
Re:how is this even news? choir with very old peop (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, Jesus, people die every day. Why are you getting so upset about me stabbing your grandma. She was old! I only stabbed 2 people. Ease the fuck up people, these old coggers probably would have died in the next 10-15 years anyway!
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There's been a lot of people offering up other people's grandmothers and grandfathers for sacrifice at the alter of Capitalism lately.
Fixed that for you
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Is that any worse than the young people that partied in Florida without even trying to social distance? Those twits didn't give a hoot about their parents, grandparents, or their freaking community.
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People point out that life is more than just a beating heart; that poverty and scarcity cost lives too; that capitalism has increased the life-expectancy of said grandparents by decades and has given us modern medicine; and that over time the social problems brought about by keeping the economy depressed are going to have consequences that will also shorten the lives of grandmothers and overwhelm health care infrastructure... and they're accused of not caring about human life.
Clown world.
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Shocking news for you, most grandmothers and grandfathers get a mild case of the sniffles from this thing, if they get anything noticeable at all.
Your 400 lbs. land whales who stuff their face all day long are a different story. The next cold and flu season might kill them too.
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Nice satire.
Expanding on the point... Many people, including The President, seem pretty cavalier and okay with the fact that some people may/will die, especially with the push to reopen everything sooner rather than later, and I wonder how they'll feel if/when it affects someone they know and/or love. That probably won't impact Administration thinking much because, even with the recent outbreak in the Whitehouse, The President and Vice President are still pretty isolated and safe/detached from reality,
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You can't be hurt by a loved one dying, if you don't love anyone. [Trump taps head]
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Shouldn't people self-isolate as soon as they experience cold symptoms? that is SOP where I live.
Sure, but, as in "normal" times, it's difficult for many, especially low-wage, hourly employees who don't get sick pay, to forgo working and not get paid. It's uncertain going forward what will happen once Emergency status is lifted in areas and people lose the protections that afforded.
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Interesting how the story changed (Score:5, Insightful)
Originally, the story was that it was a single rehearsal where all the old people were very calm, polite, and sanitized their hands when coming in. You know, the simplified (and perhaps clueless) version of what everyone was telling us to do back in early March.
Now we hear it was actually two rehearsals, and there was a lot of mingling and interaction.
It was still probably the singing that did them in, but it sounds like the level of "social interaction" was a lot higher than the initial scary stories had led us to believe.
Who knew? (Score:3)
...that preaching to the choir could be deadly.
Maybe, it is time for tort liabilities? (Score:1)
There are criminal punishments for deliberately infecting people with sexually-transmitted deceases.
Maybe, it is time we start suing the "typhoid Marys" for infecting — either deliberately or through carelessness — other people? Not just for COVID-19, of course, for anything.
If my infection can be traced back to you, and I can convince the 2/3rds of the jury, that it was your fault, you owe me — for medical treatment, lost wages (if any), as well as the "pain and suffering".
Behaviors like
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Great idea, Adolf!