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Two Cats Are First US Pets To Test Positive For Coronavirus 149

The first pets in the United States, two cats from New York State, have tested positive for the virus that is causing the worldwide pandemic, the Agriculture Department and the Centers for Disease Control announced Wednesday. The New York Times reports: The cats, from different parts of the state, are showing only mild symptoms and are expected to be fine. Testing positive does not mean the cats have the same illness that people have. Nor does it mean that the cats can pass on the illness to people. And tests for pets are not the same as those for people, so no humans missed out on testing because the cats were tested.

Veterinarians took samples from both cats that were tested at a private lab. The test results were then confirmed at a national veterinary lab. The owners brought both cats to veterinarians because they showed symptoms of a respiratory infection. One owner had tested positive for the virus. No human in the other cat's household tested positive. The Agriculture Department and the C.D.C. emphasized that "there is no evidence that pets play a role in spreading the virus in the United States." Other experts agree that people should not start looking at their cats with suspicion. If anything, it's the other way around.
The CDC recommends keeping cats indoors. And for people who become sick with COVID-19, they recommend isolating from pets as much as possible, treating them as you would a human being.

"Dogs are less susceptible to infection with the virus," the report notes. "Although there is some evidence that they may have low-level infections, they haven't shown any symptoms. Nonetheless, the C.D.C. recommends that you put dogs on a six-foot leash when walking them, keep them away from other animals and avoid contact as much as possible with any pets if you are sick."
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Two Cats Are First US Pets To Test Positive For Coronavirus

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  • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:12AM (#59979046) Homepage

    "there is no evidence that pets play a role in spreading the virus in the United States."

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

      And yet, people usually don't call an exterminator, when none of their fod is gnawed on, no rat droppings are found and no scratching is heard on the walls... somehow, most people don't die of the plague rats using this behaviour.

      • by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:53AM (#59979590)

        Rats Didn’t Spread the Black Death—It Was Humans [history.com]

        In most of the cities, the model that focused on fleas and ticks on humans was the most accurate model for explaining the spread of the disease.Though it may come as a surprise to most readers, previous studies have backed up these findings. The consensus seems to be that the plague spread too fast for rats to be the culprit carriers.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        And yet, people usually don't call an exterminator, when none of their fod is gnawed on, no rat droppings are found and no scratching is heard on the walls... somehow, most people don't die of the plague rats using this behaviour.

        Yes, because rats and mice know to hide. Those that hide well can remain hidden for years - you don't know it until you tear the walls down during a renovation and find a pile of rat skeletons in between the walls.

        Most people have colonies near their house - just that since they do

    • That saying is catchy, so I liked it at first. Then I found it's most often used in contexts where it's false.

      Where one would expect X to leave evidence, absence of the expected evidence is evidence that X is not true. For example, suppose I say that last week my cousin robbed a bank, holding all of the customers hostage. If there are no news stories about the robbery, that would be evidence that I'm full of it - no such robbery occurred.

      The catchy saying is right only regarding things that would be expect

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        Correlation does not imply causation is also catchy, and precisely the opposite of the truth.

        A rule of thumb is what someone smarter than you tells you to get you to stop pestering them.

        • Correlation does not imply causation is also catchy, and precisely the opposite of the truth.

          Except the fact that the hallmark of a poorly conducted study is that it makes this very error. That's one of the primary causes of the replication crisis: Psychologists with a poor understanding of statistics fishing for correlations in datasets.

          Causation implies correlation, correlation does not imply causation. I believe the error you're making is using the word "imply" in a colloquial sense ("to suggest") rather than how it is used in logic, meaning, "to follow from" or "a necessary consequence of" or "

          • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

            That's the insidiousness of that catchy phase. It's so catchy you believe it's true.

            Correlation implies causation. What it doesn't tell you is the *type* of causation. If two variables, A and B, are correlated, there are three possibilities:

            1. A causes B
            2. B causes A
            3. A third factor, C causes both A and B.

            Note that all of those possibilities can have intermediate steps, eg. A causes D causes B.

            Correlation *does* imply causation. The error is the assumption that correlation between A and B implies one of th

            • On 3.
              C causing A and B isn't understood as a form of causation between A and B or B and A.

              And there's also coincidence, which doesn't imply causation.

              I throw a dice 6 times and get 1,4,2,2,6,6
              My friend throws 6 times also 1,4,2,2,6,6

              An example of perfect correlation without any causation.

            • I don't believe that's necessarily true. There's a website that pokes fun at such notions [tylervigen.com]. Right now the front page has such wonderful correlations as:

              Number of people who drowned by falling into a pool and Films Nicolas Cage appeared in (r = .666)
              Per capita cheese consumption and Number of people who died by becoming tangled in their bedsheets (r =.947)
              Divorce rate in Maine and Per capita consumption of margarine (r = .992)
              Age of Miss America and Murders by steam, hot vapors, and hot objects (r =
      • You would expect to find evidence, but what if that evidence is easily overlooked? Most people they really don't know where they picked it up. They can find some connections where people were together, but they really can't trace things very well, especially with so many infected. So if a pet picks it up and makes its owner sick, and that owner was at a grocery store, and someone else that was at the store was also infected, they just assumed he picked it up from that other person. I'm not saying to panic a

        • > We kind of saw the same thing with masks. We were told there was no reason to wear mask because there was no evidence that would help. Then fast forward a month, and suddenly everyone should wear masks. Wait, I though there was no evidence.

          We were talking told "you don't need a mask; leave the masks for the doctors and nurses who need them most in order for them to be protected".

          If a mask wouldn't help prevent the spread, doctors and nurses wouldn't "need them most" to protect them from covid.

          • Hey, I get it. If it's in short supply, leave them to the doctors. I totally understand, but that wasn't my point. We were told there was no evidence that masks were necessary, and suddenly now it's necessary. Of course it's because we now have more evidence. My point was entirely in regards the previous claim by you that the "absences of evidence" thing is generally used in situations where it's false. I was merely saying that you can't argue that in a developing situation. We're being continually barraged

            • My point is I don't know that anyone was seriously arguing "there is no evidence masks are effective" WHILE saying that doctors and nurses need the masks because they are effective. I think the real statement was "you don't need it as much as they do".

              There is also the fact that a mask *alone* won't protect you - hand washing is the big key.

    • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:55AM (#59980156)

      I dunno, I watched Cats and felt a bit ill afterwards.

    • Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

      Absence of evidence is not PROOF of absence, but it is evidence of absence.

      If pet-to-human transmission was happening, the tracking algorithms would have likely found infection clusters among dog groomers and people visiting dog parks. They haven't. That is evidence that pet-to-human transmission is not happening or at least is rare.

    • "there is no evidence that dragons play a role in spreading the virus in the United States."

      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

      FTFY.

    • "there is no evidence that pets play a role in spreading the virus in the United States."

      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

      Actually, in probability theory, absence of evidence is always evidence of absence. In Bayesian terms, if the observation of evidence increases the probability of the hypothesis (that is, P(H | E) > P(H)), then the absence of evidence decreases the probability of the hypothesis (that is, P(H | ~E) < P(H)). The probability of the hypothesis, mathematically, is a weighted mix of the probability of the hypothesis given the evidence and the probability of the hypothesis given no evidence, so lies betwee

  • What's new? (Score:5, Funny)

    by thadtheman ( 4911885 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:18AM (#59979068)

    Other experts agree that people should not start looking at their cats with suspicion. If anything, it's the other way around.

    Isn't that already the case?

    • Other experts agree that people should not start looking at their cats with suspicion. If anything, it's the other way around.

      Isn't that already the case?

      I think those critters are up to something . . .

      Does your cat look like Adolf Hitler? Do you wake up in a cold sweat every night wondering if he's going to up and invade Poland? Does he keep putting his right paw in the air while making a noise that sounds suspiciously like "Sieg Miaow"? If so, this is the website for you:

      Cats That Look Like Hitler! [catsthatlo...hitler.com]

  • Source WIKI:

    "North America – 1991: Following a pandemic from a space-borne disease that wiped out all dogs and cats in 1983, the government has become a series of police states that took apes as pets before establishing a culture based on ape slave labor."

  • How Do You Know if You Have Coronavirus? Just Cough in a Rich Person^B^B^B^B^B Cat's Face and Wait for the Results to Come Back.âoe

  • Big cats too (Score:4, Informative)

    by bluegutang ( 2814641 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:49AM (#59979112)

    Five tigers and three lions in the Bronx Zoo have tested positive [thecut.com].

    If humans got coronavirus by eating bats, how exactly did lions and tigers get it?

    • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:55AM (#59979126) Homepage

      Five tigers and three lions in the Bronx Zoo have tested positive [thecut.com].

      If humans got coronavirus by eating bats, how exactly did lions and tigers get it?

      By eating humans.

    • by Tom ( 822 )

      Where do you get your information that humans got it by eating bats?

      The problem appears to have been a live animal market, where the animals are sold alive and then slaughtered on the spot (not the most hygenic thing to do, you know?). Some of them were bats.

      People likely contracted the virus in the market and not at home at dinner time.

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Actually probably feral dogs ate the bats, the virus shows too much change for it to be directly from bats to humans. (Link also posted above.)

      https://medicalxpress.com/news... [medicalxpress.com]

    • by kbahey ( 102895 )

      If humans got coronavirus by eating bats, how exactly did lions and tigers get it?

      Humans didn't get it from eating bats. The Chinese don't eat bat soup it seems. That is all based on one video where an Asian looking woman is eating bat soup. In fact, she was visiting a Pacific Island, and making a video about their food and culture, and ate the bat soup there.

      Yes, bats are the natural reservoir species [wikipedia.org] for some coronaviruses, just like cows, cats, and dogs for other bacteria and viruses. They do not transmi

  • by Viol8 ( 599362 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:51AM (#59979118) Homepage

    They need to be looked after and how do you ask them to leave the room to fill their food bowl or clear out their litter tray? Honestly, some "experts" really do need to come down out of their academic ivory tower occasionally and come say hello to the real world now and then.

    • Right? This is seriously a "we're all in this together" thing, not a "get away from me, you have diseases" thing.

      Next, they'll tell you to stop coming into contact with your children.

    • They need to be looked after and how do you ask them to leave the room to fill their food bowl or clear out their litter tray?

      You clearly don't have a cat. You can leave them by themselves for a week at a time, just come in once a week, clean out the poop and re-fill the autofeeder. "Isolation" from pets that are being talked about by experts (not sure why you used quotes there) is not having them sit on your lap licking your face.

  • Idiots (Score:2, Troll)

    by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

    And tests for pets are not the same as those for people, so no humans missed out on testing because the cats were tested

    It's sad that some people are big enough idiots that this has to be explained to them.

  • That this already happen over a hundred years ago. [iwastesomuchtime.com] I wonder why history like the past and the future don't mean anything to the media. It's easy to think of it as 1984.
  • by K. S. Kyosuke ( 729550 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:02AM (#59979244)
    I'm glad that people finally started to acknowledge the actual social order.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:06AM (#59979256)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Thursday April 23, 2020 @05:33AM (#59979392)

    "The CDC recommends keeping cats indoors. "

    If I tried to keep my cat indoors it would send me to the hospital quicker than you can say "Nice Kitty".

    • You should keep them indoors because they're significant songbird predators.

      • Re:Dear CDC (Score:4, Insightful)

        by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:21AM (#59979528)

        As long as they go after mockingbirds I'm cool with it.

        • >"As long as they go after mockingbirds I'm cool with it."

          I hate to admit it, but mockingbirds drive me insane and I have no love of them. First, the population in my neighborhood over the last 25 years has probably quadrupled for some reason. Next, they are just INSANELY LOUD. They sound like stupid car alarms that scream out random patterns, but for hours-on-end. Why they have to be so loud, I don't know- they mock the song but triple the volume. Next, they have to do this while I am trying to sle

  • Next Week's News: Reports show cats as a major carrier of corona virus that causes COVID-19 in humans.
  • Good luck implementing a lockdown on all cats

  • Many cats are left to roam freely outdoors where there are also wild bats, related?
    • Indeed. Wild bats attack cats, thus infecting them with coronavirus. Then cats come back home.

  • put dogs on a six-foot leash when walking them, keep them away from other animals

    Something tells me that a 6-foot leash will make this hard to accomplish outside.

  • 1) Cats can be vectors for COVID-19 infection

    2) Cat videos are the reason for the Internet's existence

    3) 5G Towers transmit data for the Internet

    4) Therefore 5G Towers transmit cat videos

    5) Cats in the videos can be infected with COVID-19

    Therefore, 5G Towers transmit coronavirus! Pitchforks at the ready!

  • by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday April 23, 2020 @08:18AM (#59979652)

    WHO has said that dogs cannot get the virus.

    so, dogs are not quarantined anymore.

    in other words, WHO let the dogs out

  • The reason for the recommendation for 6-foot leashes is so that other people can pet the doggos.

  • The Agriculture Department and the C.D.C. emphasized that "there is no evidence that pets play a role in spreading the virus in the United States." Other experts agree that people should not start looking at their cats with suspicion.

    Gee that sounds familiar...

    "No evidence of human to human transmission."

    "Closing your borders is racist."

    "Hug a Chinese tourist."

    I think I'll stick to the precautionary principle, thanks.

  • So even pussy can make us sick?

    Enough already. This virus is getting seriously annoying.

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