People Fleeing Coronavirus Head To a New Safe Haven: China (wsj.com) 141
When the coronavirus pandemic started worsening in the U.K. last week, Jennie Lan knew where she would feel safest: China. From a report: The graduate student at University College London was worried Brits weren't taking precautions, such as wearing face masks. "People here didn't attach a great significance to the coronavirus," Ms. Lan said. On Tuesday, she will fly to China to stay with her parents, who live in a district with no reported infections. "The local government controlled it well," she said. Weeks ago, people fled China to dodge the new coronavirus. Now it has flipped. People are headed to China because they believe it is the safest place in the world. Apple has reopened all stores in its Chinese market, but said Friday it would close those everywhere else for two weeks.
A Chinese soccer-league team from Wuhan, where the virus was discovered, planned to leave its temporary base in Spain because of worsening conditions there to return to China. Jack Ma, billionaire founder of Chinese online-retail giant Alibaba, recently pledged to donate 1 million masks and 500,000 virus test kits -- to the U.S. Previously focused on people within the country as potential virus carriers, China's National Health Commission said Monday that preventing imported cases is now a priority. Beijing's municipal government said Sunday that people coming into the city from abroad must quarantine at designated hotels and sites for 14 days, its latest step to protect the capital.
A Chinese soccer-league team from Wuhan, where the virus was discovered, planned to leave its temporary base in Spain because of worsening conditions there to return to China. Jack Ma, billionaire founder of Chinese online-retail giant Alibaba, recently pledged to donate 1 million masks and 500,000 virus test kits -- to the U.S. Previously focused on people within the country as potential virus carriers, China's National Health Commission said Monday that preventing imported cases is now a priority. Beijing's municipal government said Sunday that people coming into the city from abroad must quarantine at designated hotels and sites for 14 days, its latest step to protect the capital.
and is the government reporting the real numbers? (Score:2)
and is the government reporting the real numbers?
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Apple Computers certainly thinks so...
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When they reported the 15,000 cases and went to diagnostic identification, the new head declared there would be a lower rate and they returned to testing kids and the reported rate dropped back to the prior trend line.
Are their numbers grossly off? Probably not much worse than any other government. But do I think their numbers are subject to political manipulation such as we are seeing in the united states? Absolutely.
(In the U.S. the CDC and President Trump have both consistently under reported the numb
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There's no particular reason to believe the Chinese numbers are of worse quality than the rest of the world...
Yes there is. They have a long and well documented history of lying, as all communist regimes do.
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Are you claiming the US government doesn't? Really?
All governments lie. The Russian word "pravda" means either "truth" or "the official word". The Egyptian goddess Mat was goddess of both truth and the official word. I'm not a linguist, so I can't claim they used the same word for both...but I suspect it.
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False equivalence, a standard communist talking point. All statistics are questionable, the US government does lie at times, but compared to the standard for communist regimes it's a saint. Have a nice day Sergei.
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China is not communist, but rather authoritarian capitalist
Mars Just Closed Its Border! (Score:1)
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Will Marvin be subject to mandatory quarantine when he comes home, or can he self-quarantine in his spaceship?
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Mandatory local quarantine. His ship will need to be nuked in orbit. Only way to be sure.
All that Illudium Q-36 on his ship won't really make a Kaboom!, but it should be a lovely lightshow.
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Elon Musk just declared that due to the Terran coronavirus pandemic, Mars is now closed to all non-Martians.
Well, sure. They remember what happened to their invasion force back in 1900.
Of course, on the other hand (Score:5, Interesting)
Then you're potentially stuck in China.
We have a large number of Chinese graduate students in our engineering department. From what I've seen historically, after living in the US for a few years a large percentage of them will do whatever they can to stay here (or in other western countries) after they've graduated.
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Live wherever you want - the more countries that don't suck to live in the better. It's not a BAD thing.
And China's rise doesn't mean America sucks tomorrow. America only sucks tomorrow because we closed all of our ski resorts, hopefully we don't suck again in a weeks time. Otherwise, it's generally a great place to live (outside of all the pessimistic doomers).
Britain has been in decline for *some time* (I'm American, so obviously I don't know) - and it still doesn't suck to live there, don't know why e
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West Virginia (Score:2)
Info (Score:5, Informative)
Worldometer.
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
Counts by country, helpful charts and graphs. Comprehensive textual information.
John Hopkin's
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis... [arcgis.com]
This has failed under load a few times. It reports a publicly available data source on Github.
Doctor John Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Covering this since January. Rational, factual, evidence based.
MedCram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
This is a bit more "technical and wonky"
I do not follow the CDC. It has often severely under reported actual cases in the united states and I'm afraid it's been compromised politically. If it says something useful, it's generally going to appear on the other sources immediately.
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That John Hopkin's map is pretty cool, but damn near useless without % of population.
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Easy to calculate.
After a while you know Belgium is about 8 million, UK is about 67 milllion, Italy is about 60 million, U.S. is 330 million, and so on tho.
But frankly- I care more about the exponent of growth of new cases. It's *horrible* in the U.S. Highest in the world last friday. If it continued, you could literally infect every person in the U.S. by the end of April.*
I've been following this since January. Finished all my preparations on feb 10th. Bought a freezer.. have 6 months food. *Reasonab
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I've been crunching the numbers as well. The exponential growth is a thing the human mind doesn't deal well with, I think we're built for following linear extrapolation. So I know intellectually that it says 10K confirmed infected by such-and such a date and 100K by the next week, but it's hard to really conceive.
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But frankly- I care more about the exponent of growth of new cases. It's *horrible* in the U.S. Highest in the world last friday. If it continued, you could literally infect every person in the U.S. by the end of April.*
Is the US growth actually exponential, or is it just the true number of infected people are coming to light (given the lack of testing in the US until the last couple of weeks)?
Aaron Z
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It's not so much that the CDC are under reporting, it's that they are slow reporting. They update their published figures once per day, at midday. But those figures they are publishing are the figures as of 4pm the previous day. They also only update on weekdays, so at 11am Monday, you are still seeing figures for 4pm Thursday on CDC's site, while others like John Hopkins are updating in real time.
Next Outbreak (Score:2)
On Tuesday, she will fly to China to stay with her parents...
Great, she'll be there for the next outbreak, whatever that is.
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Likely SARS-CoV-2, again. It's a coronavirus, so it will eventually infect most everyone, just like every other cold virus. She's not going to be "safe" from the novel coronavirus in China, but she may well be safe from overrun hospitals and lack of care when she does get it, provided China keeps its guard up.
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What we already have learned from COVID-19 is that 1) almost every country has gravely underestimated how dangerous it is, and 2) underestimating is MASSIVELY more dangerous than overestimating.
Also, if you were under the impression that MERS has disappeared years ago, you're badly mistaken. The last two cases are from yesterday (!), and cannot be traced to a known source (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/news-scan-mar-17-2020). The world of pandemics can unfortunately be the new norm unle
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so it will eventually infect most everyone
At that rate how many centuries before the whole world gets it?
Lets pretend that there aren't orders of magnitude more people born daily than there are getting MERS. It's never going to catch up.
The post I was replying to was completely wrong. Not every coronavirus will spread to infect the whole world. Even if a few might/do.
They are chasing troughs (Score:2)
This is not sustainable.
"safe haven"-- there is no safe haven but support (Score:5, Informative)
It's going to be 12-18 months until covid-19 has a safe, effective vaccine. It could *easily* be longer. It took years to develop the MERS vaccine and while they never developed a SARS vaccine, that primarily due to lack of financial incentive after it was suppressed successfully.
Covid-19 is going to eventually infect 40% to 70% of the world population per epidemiologists.
A *ROUGH* approximation of the infection level is 1-(1/R0). So if R0 is 2.0 then herd immunity would stop it at ~50%. If R0 is 4.0 then herd immunity would stop it at ~75%. It's more complicated at that but that equation catches the gist of it.
Testing is *NOT* useless. Even when infections are widespread. Korea has suppressed their epidemic by *FREE*, *Easily available* testing. China has ended their epidemic the same way.
There are people at every building checking temperatures. If you have a tempurature you are sent to a special testing facility. You get an immediate, *FREE* bacterial test- if that is negative- you get a lung Cat Scan. If that shows clouding of the lungs, you get a *FREE* Covid19 test. You are not allowed to go home until the results come back (so you don't infect your family).
But... if people resume any kind of normal life (even working in crowds in a factory) then the epidemic will start up again. If you get sick, it's important to have a support network to deliver you food and check up on you.
And I have to say.. the UK approach is going to get a lot of people needlessly killed. They need to remove Boris ASAP and put in someone who isn't comfortable a eugenics genocide. Boris's plan will make the situation in UK worse than that in Italy. Which is a tragedy.
Young people need to get over the idea they are immune. If you read the italian stories, there are many young people in the hospital in coma's on oxygen. And each one of them is causing another person to die who would have been treated but they took the slot because they are young. They'll also be left with organ damage and impaired health because too many got too sick too fast because they were out celebrating sport at the bar instead of self quarantining.
This is growing *nasty* fast in the U.S.
Last three fridays
62 to 329 to 2284 cases.
At that rate, next friday will see over 16,000 cases.
At that rate, the following friday would see over 110,000 cases.
And those cases are really already baked in. We can't avoid them. They were holding a 100,000 person rodeo in Houston which we now know at least one covid19 person was at. That's comparable to the 40,000 person neighborhood pot luck festival in China which lead that neighborhood to have to the highest case and death rate in Wuhan province.
The question is can we limit the following friday to 200,000 cases or will it be 800,000 cases?
It's doubling faster than ever 3 days in the united states.
I think it's great this person went back closer to family and a solid support network in a province with no infections. But as soon as china starts back up their economy, it's going to start spreading again. China will have to continue widespread testing to slow the rate. Obviously, the R0 is lower under quarantine and testing than with no testing and no quarantine.
There is also the concern about the "L" and "S" strains. It may indicate that the virus could mutate into a new independent strain which can infect you roughly every 100,000 cases. If that's true, letting it run rampant in a population might cause multiple strains which do not provide immunity to each other. That's apocalyptic. We need to keep sick people from spreading their own mutated variety (and it mutates in every person- just not enough to become a separate strain).
Try to be kind to others during this. Most will survive. Tho my odds of dying if I get a bad case are about 7%.
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Point of order about the rodeo and Houston: The rodeo is not a single event, but a 3 week series of events (which was cancelled after one week). The person in question who tested positive went to the Rodeo Cookoff, which is a kickoff event that occurred February 27-29th. If that person caused a mass infection spread here, we would be seeing that already in the infected numbers. The Wuhan outbreak numbers were already in the tens of thousands 2.5 weeks after that potluck, but the entire state of Texas has f
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things go South quickly
As one born in the Southern U.S. (Florida to be exact), I must say that this expression is somewhat offensive.
:-)
I have colleagues in Australia; I once asked one if they say "go North" in the same way. He had no idea what I was talking about. So, I wonder, where did the expression "go South" meaning "go bad" originate?
Thanks for listening
A Southern Gentleman
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It's not clear that a vaccine for COVID-19 is possible. It's an RNA virus and mutates rapidly.
OTOH, there are several "treatments" that are under rapid development. Some are repurposed drugs already in use for other purposes, so if they turn out to work, they should be available quickly. And they'll probably work against mutant COVID-19 strains that use the same attack vector.
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the UK approach is going to get a lot of people needlessly killed. They need to remove Boris ASAP and put in someone who isn't comfortable a eugenics genocide. Boris's plan will make the situation in UK worse than that in Italy. Which is a tragedy.
You do realise that Boris isn't creating the plan. Medical professionals and experts in the field are creating the plan. Boris signs it off and helps promote it.
What, you want fucking cat scans every time someone enters a building? Yeah, that's going to fucking work.
A safe place huh? (Score:2)
And the Tienanmen square massacre never happened, right?
I'm sure when the CCP says their country is safe, they are totally telling the truth.
Totally.
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There are plenty of westerners in China that have reported on the ground, including WHO monitors. Reports from the Chinese government regarding COVID-19 may not be completely accurate in all respects (they certainly weren't at the beginning), but it's pretty easy to confirm without relying on Chinese produced data that the makeshift hospitals are starting to empty out and things are returning to normal.
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there are a lot of ways to empty out a hospital that don't include curing any patients
How about North Korea? (Score:2)
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How about Russia? (Score:3)
People are headed to China because they believe it is the safest place in the world.
According to the map Russia hasn't had any cases to speak of at all for weeks now. So that should be the safest place to go.
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People are headed to China because they believe it is the safest place in the world.
According to the map Russia hasn't had any cases to speak of at all for weeks now. So that should be the safest place to go.
I'm not sure if this is a sarcastic comment or not. Don't trust anything that Russian official say about anything negative. It is worse than China in this regard (China used to be as bad, but that has changed). Remember Chernobyl? Heard about Majak 1957? How about Majak 2017? It's all lies, cover-ups and propaganda to the root.
Russia shares 2600 miles of border with China. Doesn't it sound a bit suspicious how few cases there are reported?
Heading to China? (Score:3)
Movies though (Score:3)
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Islands, guys. Islands. Do you not watch zombie movies? See y'all in Cuba lol.
Good general strategy. But pick another island...
Cruise ship with coronavirus-stricken passengers allowed to dock in Cuba [nypost.com]
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Retards
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Re:Is US era over? (Score:4, Informative)
Chinese culture accelerated the propagation of the coronavirus from China to the rest of the world. An analysis [nytimes.com] published by the New York Times explains how the Chinese tendency to hide the truth allowed the coronavirus to spread quickly.
Get more info [blogspot.com] about Chinese culture.
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eating non-livestock,
Millions of Americans hunt and fish and regularly eat "non-livestock" meat, birds and fish with scant regard to any parasites or diseases the carcasses might have. Even American farmed animals are rife with preventable diseases like salmonella.
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Salmonella is extremely common and does not create pandemics.
Licensed American hunters are required to report their kills (there is a limit) and to dress the carcasses properly. No eating deer with wasting disease, etc.
The animals killed and eaten by hunters are generally regulated by Fish & Wildlife officials. There are specific seasons for certain prey. We know what hunters will catch and what they will eat. There are no "wet markets" where improperly-dressed game of all sorts (in or out of season
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"Licensed American hunters are required to report their kills"
I was not aware of this.
How far statist communism has crept, to bring such onerous requirements to the American heartland! MAGA!
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Take it up with the game warden then.
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Yes, as an Oathkeeper I have sworn to fight all enemies, foreign or domestic! This commie fuck is going to be getting a love letter.
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Salmonella is extremely common
It shouldn't be common but in America salmonella is ten times more common than other places such as the European Union where food hygiene regulations are stricter. America could do better but for some reason they are willing to accept higher levels of disease and deaths from preventable livestock infections.
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There may, indeed, be beef farms like that, but I've seen several, and that was not a reasonable description of any of them.
OTOH, it's possible that some corporate beef farms are like that. Possible, not probable. That sounds more like a feed lot used for a couple of weeks. Still unwise and inhumane, but not as bad as you are depicting. Don't buy beef with much marbling, and you'll avoid that.
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Read the book "Farmageddon". Things have changed recently.
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I grew up on a beef farm and that's why I know you are lying.
Maybe you fell for some PETA propaganda, maybe you are just trying to be holier-than-thou on the internet and making shit up.
Who cares? All that's relevant is that you are a liar, and should be ignored.
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Enjoy. [weebly.com]
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Depending how old you are, things have changed a great deal since you grew up on a beef farm.
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Don't even bother. USA good, China bad. End of.
There is no point trying to argue with these people.
"Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired".
- Jonathan Swift (“A Letter to a Young Gentleman, Lately Enter’d Into Holy Orders by a Person of Quality”). http://quoteinvestigator.com/ [quoteinvestigator.com]
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Chinese culture accelerated the propagation of the coronavirus from China to the rest of the world. An analysis [nytimes.com] published by the New York Times explains how the Chinese tendency to hide the truth allowed the coronavirus to spread quickly.
That's not wrong. Yet at the same time, we're here in the US, also hiding the truth. We're performing an embarrassingly low number of tests compared to other countries, and I can't help but believe it's to hide the truth. The official numbers are almost certainly low. If we increased testing, I'm certain we'd find the virus has spread much further. But that would cause the stock market to plummet further, so lets just sweep it under the rug and let people go undiagnosed while the people that they've had con
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Not even close, but keep trying! Xi loves you!
Re:Is US era over? (Score:5, Insightful)
And what about American culture, you guys are going to be the biggest infected population in the world once the real numbers come out. Lack of testing and denial from the President down.
Says the Remain Brit, who just last week was crying foul when Trump banned travel from his precious Europe.
If Trump is in such "denial", why did you call him racist for banning travel from China in January ? Funny how your tune changes to follow the current Chicom propaganda.
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Banning travel was the right move, it just needed to be for the whole of Europe including the UK.
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When the facts were established they were open about it
Two months later, after disseminating the disease across the globe.
Re: Is US era over? (Score:5, Informative)
"Jack Ma, billionaire founder of Chinese online-retail giant Alibaba, recently pledged to donate 1 million masks and 500,000 virus test kits -- to the U.S. "
I know it's inconvenient to the hate-for-America narrative, but he also previously donated comparable shipments to Japan, Korea, other Asian countries and Europe.
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500K virus test kits...that should last about an hour, if it's as bad as some people think....
As to masks, the numbers being bandied about are 1.5 billion wanted by various hospitals and such. So a million amounts to a day's worth, at most.
Color me unimpressed....
Re: Is US era over? (Score:5)
If you mean it's insufficient, you're right. What's your point?
If, as I suspect, COVID-19 is like "the common cold" in our ability to become immune to it, we're going to need a steady supply of test kits from now on. But right *now* any help should be appreciated. Expecting someone else to do the whole job for free is so stupidly unreasonable that I'm forced to look for a hidden agenda.
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500K virus test kits...that should last about an hour, if it's as bad as some people think....
You may be right, but given that as of last Thursday we had only tested 20,907 people: https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru... [cdc.gov] And now 4 days later it appears the number is only up to 33,000: https://www.nbcnews.com/health... [nbcnews.com] I find it pretty hard to argue that 500k test kits would not be vast improvement.
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Hey if you don't want them then we will take them.
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Well, donate another million yourself and after another thousand people join in, you'll be nearly there.
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I know it's inconvenient to the hate-for-America narrative, but he also previously donated comparable shipments to Japan, Korea, other Asian countries and Europe.
But isn't that generosity the point? Trump offered a German company a ton of money to make the vaccine America-only (https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-offers-1b-to-german-firm/), but Ma is offering to help multiple countries. There was a time when the Federal government would have behaved that way, and not waited for a foreign executive to do it for us.
Re: Is US era over? (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, a nigerian news source.
Did you know I'm friends with a prince there! He is going to send me a billion dollars one day!
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Ah, a nigerian news source.
Did you know I'm friends with a prince there! He is going to send me a billion dollars one day!
The original report on the Trump administration allegedly seeking exclusive access to a vaccine for the Corona Virus was made in the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag [www.welt.de]
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Pretty certain the German company story has already been debunked (and it's even on /., so old news).
Re:Is US era over? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why to we believe anything China says about this, good OR bad? They could have millions of cases, and as long as they could control the information, they can just lie.
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With you on that. The claim that they managed to contain the epidemic essentially to a single province leaves my eyebrows maximally arched. If they are lying about this we would expect stories of maxed out hospitals in Beijing to begin leaking through the great firewall sooner or later. So far I haven't seen that but then I haven't been actively looking. Stories are coming out of Iran and they are disturbing.
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With you on that. The claim that they managed to contain the epidemic essentially to a single province leaves my eyebrows maximally arched. If they are lying about this we would expect stories of maxed out hospitals in Beijing to begin leaking through the great firewall sooner or later.So far I haven't seen that but then I haven't been actively looking. Stories are coming out of Iran and they are disturbing.
There are a lot of foreign reporters in Beijing, there are a lot more foreigners in Beijing, there are even more Chinese people with mobile phones. Any of which could trivially show how bad it was if it was even a fraction as bad as you claim.
Why haven't they?
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In the same way that many chinese people trivially showed how bad the virus outbreak was in December and January and were labeled as hoaxers and fake news before the Chinese government quickly dissapeared them and they were never heard from again?
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Ahh conspiracy theories trump common sense every time.
Must be trivial to disappear all those foreigners now. Just tell all their home countries that the coronavirus got them. Perfect cover.
Although there are hundreds of thousands of foreigners in China, and only a few thousand deaths. Might look a little suspicious...
Nutters gonna nut I guess.
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Why to we believe anything China says about this, good OR bad? They could have millions of cases, and as long as they could control the information, they can just lie.
I live in China and ask myself why I believe you-- that millions of cases with tens of millions of relatives could be denied any normalcy of their relatives' passing. Millions of people maintaining a vast conspiracy. Many millennials refer to it as othering: attributing personal traits to a group of people, defining many as one.
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Get back to me if there is any evidence the USA is mismanaging the response.
And get back to me if we see "dead bodies on the streets". Other than those who die in traffic accidents and/or are murdered, of course.
Oh, and get back to me if China ever allows independent newsies to actually look the situation
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If you don't believe Chinese sources, you could check Italian sources. They don't disagree much in general outline.
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Get back to me if there is any evidence the USA is mismanaging the response.
"It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear" - Trump, 2/28/20 ... personally, I'd say the number is way under 1%." 3/4/20
"I think the 3.4% number is really a false number. Now this is just my hunch, but based on a lot of conversations
"Anyone who wants a test can get one" - Trump 3/7/20
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The problem with independent newsies in China is that they might be telling some kind of truth, if they can get their information out, but there is always the temptation for them to exaggerate things for effect.
If the CCP breaks up a protest with machinegun fire and a democracy activist tells you 10k people died, can that be true? That's a lot of people to kill with machinegun fire. I don't doubt that they'd open fire on a crowd (they've run them down with tanks before), but the numbers . . . ? You never r
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If only there was some way to let the information get out. Perhaps we could sneak in hundreds of millions of tiny cameras, spread them out everywhere in China. What if we hid them in mobile phones?
We'd have to also develop a culture of taking lots of photos of stupid things at all times, and then sharing them to random people so it doesn't look suspicious.
Shit, seems like the Chinese are thinking way ahead of both of us.
*Still waiting for the evidence...*
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Get back to me if there is any evidence the USA is mismanaging the response.
And get back to me if we see "dead bodies on the streets".
The dead bodies are not piling up, but that doesn't mean that the US has not been mismanaging the response to the virus. The president has been inconsistent in his message: the virus is no big deal, now it is, now it isn't. His statement absolving himself of any blame or responsibility is childish and what I try to teach my children not to do. Trump appears to be mostly interested in propping up the stock market and his re-election bid instead of funding and leading efforts to contain the virus. The te
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Ok, but if the US response was so bad why not actually explain why it was so bad? Instead of saying "No but seriously it was really bad, like really really bad. Like the badderest it could ever be bad!"
I don't know how you can type all that waffle with a straight face, and pretend you were saying something of substance.
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You're going to have to qualify the mismanagement with actual statistics.
The rise of Coronavirus infections in the US is a lot slower (not simply lower, which would indicate a lack of testing) because early containment protocols. Our hospitals are all still operating, unlike Canada and most of Europe which had to shut down major hospitals due to overwhelming demand and insufficient healthcare resources (which is what happens when you operate at the edge of capacity - if you start out with rationing, you can
Re:Is US era over? (Score:5, Insightful)
[...] unlike Canada and most of Europe which had to shut down major hospitals due to overwhelming demand
Bull. Shit.
Provide your sources or stop spreading nonsense.
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Provide your sources
I wouldn't ask this man to provide his ass.
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Uh, what? Canada has about 400 confirmed cases, nationwide, currently. There haven't been any hospitals overwhelmed, or closed. Many hospitals have been closed *to visitors* to avoid spreading the virus.
The stats show US case growth at the same rate as anywhere else.
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The virus is so hard to tell apart from any other one that people reassure themselves "this is just a common cold". Because the initial test kits by CDC were botched, the early containment efforts were not done to everybody they should have been. When you find cases that you cannot track down, you have community spread. And those are not found from asymptomatic people, so the incubation period will be over by then. Due to the exponential growth, at that point you have at least 20-30x as many cases as you th
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Toronto shut down all non-virus related treatments. My friend's cancer treatments are indefinitely suspended.
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Toronto shut down all non-virus related treatments. My friend's cancer treatments are indefinitely suspended.
How is that any different to the USA?
The Coronavirus Is Forcing Hospitals to Cancel Surgeries [nytimes.com]
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Only after the "Chinese era" has ended.
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Testing sure isn't pointless, but it's not clear how completely people recover from it. And it's not certain that they aren't contagious, or won't become contagious. One of the possibilities is that, like malaria or chickenpox, you don't get over the disease, you just go into remission. But whenever your immune system weakens, the disease shows up again.
That' a gloomy prospect, but it's one of the more likely scenarios, because often people who are pronounced cured seem to be perennially tired, and seem